[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
thanks!
so the c:\ has changed to a C:\ in the path

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:09:31 AM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> The Browser Console is shown below:
>
>
>
> By the way, tried in FF 57.0 64 bit on an Apple Mac macOS Sierra v10.12.16 
> and it works fine there. The issue appears to be only on Windows 10.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alfonso
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
savetiddlers install on ff56. There are two versions of tiddlyfox - version 
2 will not work with android - you need the older version

all the best
BJ

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 4:38:23 AM UTC+1, James A Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm using Waterfox who intend to keep the plugin structure of Firefox 
> while keeping up-to-date with firefox. The tiddlyfox plugin works well.
> As i use android a lot, for some reason the tiddlyfox doesn't install 
> inWaterfaox on android.
> I am looking for solutions, when I do I'll report back.
> But for now, Waterfox fits the bill (at least on Linux and OSX) :)
>
> On Saturday, 28 October 2017 20:33:51 UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyServer on Raspberry Pi 3 with Stretch Raspbian and host 0.0.0.0

2017-11-18 Thread TonyM
Ron,

Thanks for keeping the community updated. I suppose this is an example of 
the system giving you exactly what you asked for (hosting on all IP 
Addresses) and as a result not working. Asking a more specific question to 
host it on this address solves the problem.

I have a PCDuino, running Ubuntu but not had the time to play. Have you 
found a way to use tiddlywiki to interact with the RasperyPi's inputs and 
outputs? I imaging using tiddlywiki to kick off code on a microcomputer 
could be very powerful. Or are you simply using the Pi as a server platform?

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: Probing: TiddlyWiki 101 - The CONSUMER VERSION

2017-11-18 Thread TonyM
Josiah,

I tend to be going in the direction of building specific applications, 
perhaps I would call this publishing TiddlyWiki instances, perhaps to 
provide online tools or take home applications, I think this is where you 
are  thinking as well. 

In these cases I expect them to be self contained and self documented, only 
detailing tiddlywiki in so far as to give due recognition of its source and 
to promote new users. In this case I am behaving as developer, and yes I 
think we could develop this as a practice and support each other in this.

It is a larger problem for me to promote to clients how I can make 
tiddlywiki work for them, without simply handing over complete solutions. I 
am about to prepare a dynamic document as a report on a piece of work I 
recently did for a small client. Which will be my first foray into 
publishing content through tiddlywiki. I will share any learnings.

However, this response is to highlight something I see as very important 
about tiddlywiki, and the key reason I am such an enthusiast, sure only a 
fraction of users will think the way I do but this is in my mind a critical 
use case, and something that inspired me from the beginning when I first 
noticed tiddlywiki.

TiddlyWiki goes beyond DIY and extends to the enthusiast the the 
capabilities of application development, document writing, website 
development, sophisticated documents, data and knowledge analysis and tools 
development. 

This means that we can evolve our own custom responses to our own needs or 
of of friends, family and clients around us. TiddlyWiki is a platform, an 
environment, a place in which your ideas can evolve and be represented how 
you wish to present it. Its ecosystem evolves with me, and my own needs, 
and a new personal ecosystem develops.

Whilst I wholeheartedly support promoting adoption through turn key 
solutions, easy adoption and well guided introductions to tiddlywikis 
capabilities, however I believe it must always expose its shear enormous 
benefits to an enthusiasts willing to "bite the bullet".

I say this as someone who has used tiddlywiki (classic) as my key knowledge 
base, task and project management for many years now. I have a sophisticate 
TWC that has evolved with me. I am now moving into a multi-wiki TW5 phase, 
and plan to let it support my business.

PS I am looking for work, local (Sydney Australia) or international to kick 
along my new business in ICT Services, "People, Systems and Things" . My 
soon to be rewritten website explains. PSaT.com.au 

Regards
Tony 


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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread Alfonso Arciniega
The Browser Console is shown below:



By the way, tried in FF 57.0 64 bit on an Apple Mac macOS Sierra v10.12.16 
and it works fine there. The issue appears to be only on Windows 10.

Cheers,

Alfonso

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[tw] Re: [TW5] RenderTable Plugin Release

2017-11-18 Thread TonyM
Joshua Fontany,

This looks very powerful and sophisticated. To help me come to terms with 
its use can you please provide a little more information. 
Perhaps more contextual than technical. No need for a comprehensive answer, 
but making a start would help.

When you say re-run you mean?
Clicking the Tick against a filter setting and or re-open the tiddler?

Could you give a list of all the elements involved in the rendering and 
data involved in a single table?

As I understand it you are leveraging json formats to store the table data 
and schema?


   - How should a user approach this?, should they source json files with 
   the data and build a schema to match?
   - What is the workflow you expect users to use?
   - Can Schemas for data be found elsewhere or within json formats itself?
   - Would the user build the schema then edit and data enter to build the 
   table?
   - Once someone has built a table, and or populated it how can they share 
   the table and/or its data?
   - eg; if I built a contacts database table how could I share it with 
   people to populate it with their own data?

I think such a solution will increase in adoption, and permit a greater 
degree of sharing, if we can build an ecosystem of shareable tables and 
data, which also includes methods to use them for real-world applications.


Bravo on this work, you are adding value to tiddlywiki, such that it 
continues to exceed anyones expectations.


Regards

Tony

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-18 Thread James A Bernard
I'm using Waterfox who intend to keep the plugin structure of Firefox while 
keeping up-to-date with firefox. The tiddlyfox plugin works well.
As i use android a lot, for some reason the tiddlyfox doesn't install 
inWaterfaox on android.
I am looking for solutions, when I do I'll report back.
But for now, Waterfox fits the bill (at least on Linux and OSX) :)

On Saturday, 28 October 2017 20:33:51 UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>
>
> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Helping savetiddlers documentation

2017-11-18 Thread David Gifford
Glad to help. Thanks for your lifesaving tool!

David Gifford
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On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 3:39 PM, BJ  wrote:

> Great stuff Dave,
> It is of course very difficult to spot errors in ones own stuff, so feed
> back is essential
> I will incorporate your suggestion when I update the info on github (soon).
>
> Thanks lots
> BJ
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:18:07 PM UTC+1, Dave Gifford -
> http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just a couple recommendations for the documentation at
>> https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers, as non-technical Dave tries to
>> wrap his head around this and runs into hiccups along the way. I started
>> with Chrome, gave up, and tried again, successfully, with Firefox. I did
>> not go back and use what I had learned in the Firefox process to see if
>> Chrome worked for me.
>>
>> 1. The current documentation made me think the tiddlywikilocations folder
>> had to be in the (in my case, Windows) Downloads directory. But after
>> experimenting it seems that what is meant is that it has to be in whatever
>> directory the user has told their browser to download files to (in my case,
>> the desktop). You could save new users some grief by clearing that up.
>>
>> 2. There is a spelling error 'Dowload' in both the Firefox and Chromium
>> instructions. Minor thing, but when new users are trying to slavishly
>> follow instructions, this is the kind of thing that gives them some anxiety.
>>
>> 3. Chrome was giving me warnings telling me to Disable developer mode
>> extensions. It looks as if this popup will come up everytime I open the
>> file. You should address that in the documentation.
>>
>> 4. You should maybe explain the default behavior: eg this for Firefox:
>> "savetiddlers will then overwrite the file in the tiddlywikilocations
>> folder, and if you have specified backups to be made, those backups will
>> appear in the folder where you specified them to be created."
>>
>> Hope that helps with onboarding a little. Blessings.
>>
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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

2017-11-18 Thread Shay Shaked
Here's my naaive, newbie theory:

I use Typora (Markdown) and TiddlyWiki (TW text). Typora had panodoc built into 
it, so it can convert to HTML, Wiki text, and bunch of other things. Pandoc has 
"extensions" (for lack of a better term) that "translate" Markdown to Wikitext. 

Ok, so, why not find the code that translate md to Wikitext, and change it so 
instead of translating # to , translate it to  for example. Continue 
with the rest. 

I _know_ it can't be that simple, but don't know why. Also, TW understands 
HTML, so that's a work around, but not exactly what I want. 

Can you, wise people, explain it to me in terms that I can grasp maybe? Thanks 
:-)

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[tw] [TW5] RenderTable Plugin Release

2017-11-18 Thread Joshua Fontany
https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-RenderTablePlugin/

I have written a plugin to render HTML +wikitext tables. This is another 
shot at some of the functionality I liked from previous table rendering 
methods, and some new functions.

The .js widget that serves as a parent to each table takes a "schema" 
parameter, which defines the table's fields (columns), layout 
(headers/footers), and dataset (mode, datafilter, and datapath 
paramethers). There is some basic documentation and macro examples up on 
the example wiki.

Some of the cooler things I got this plugin to do are:
- Responsive layout (scroll bars if the table contents would otherwise 
spill outside the story river).
- Templates - each column can have an optional template tiddler (instead of 
rendering the field defined for the column).
- The widget does not change the <> variable. It adds a few 
new variables to handle each data-row's templates (or field contexts if it 
is wikitext):
 -- <> = the tiddler that this row's data is pulled from.
 -- <> = the prefix of the current <> variable
 -- <> = the current column's field plus the <> 
variable.
- Sorting by Wikified cell contents (the widget handles wikifying each cell 
of the column and sorting the row entities).
 -- Sorting does not update with changes to the wikistore, so it should be 
re-run each time the data is needed (new rows are sorted to the bottom).
- Filtering by Wikified row contents (the widget handles wikifying each rpw 
of the table and filters it with the provided Regex parameter). 
 -- Filtering does not update with changes to the wikistore, so should be 
re-run each time the data is needed.
- Able to use the same <> in ViewTemplates and EditTemplates to 
render responsive UI elements (see advanced example).

Thanks for checking this out! (& Double Thanks if I grabbed code or ideas 
from you - like the BarChart plugin!!)

Best,
Joshua Fontany

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[tw] Confused by most Firefox Quantum save options, and wanting to keep everything synced to Dropbox, here's my SIMPLE method

2017-11-18 Thread David F
I freaked out when tiddlywiki wouldn't save after updating Firefox and 
while I thought I'd need a new add-on or something, I was becoming more 
frustrated the further I got.

The Getting Started  page was good, 
and it was great that it listed so many options, but I wanted a simple way 
of keeping my tiddlywiki files in Dropbox and working across computers no 
matter where I was.

Oh yeah, and there was no way I was going to rely on remembering to 
save/backup/upload the most recent version each time...


*I use Windows and Linux machines, but primarily Windows for everyday 
note-taking - so this solution is geared toward that environment.*
So this is what I just came up with that is working well for me...

   - Installed the "save tiddlers" Firefox addon: 
   https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers
   - Then create a folder within Downloads called "tiddlywikilocations" - 
   put a copy of your old (or a brand new) tiddlywiki file there
   - Then download and install FreeFileSync (open source file and folder 
   backup software). https://www.freefilesync.org/manual.php
   - Set up FreeFileSync to watch the 2 folder locations - the one in your 
   dropbox folder, and the one at tiddlywikilocations within Downloads... set 
   it up for 2-way backups...
   and save the batch file, MAKING SURE you select "Exit" instead of "Show 
   Summary" in the options dialogue window that pops up or else it will only 
   trigger once, unless/until you close the Summary window.
   - Then set up RealTimeSync (included in FreeFileSync), loading the 
   previously created batch file using File - Open, to automatically trigger 
   the backup every time there is a change to any file in the locations being 
   watched in the FreeFileSync setup.

Then open the tiddlewiki file located in "tiddlywikilocations"using 
Firefox, make a change, save it, and 10 seconds later (assuming you left 
the default setting in RealTimeSync), you will see the file appear in the 
Dropbox folder, and the Dropbox sync client upload the new file.




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[tw] Re: Helping savetiddlers documentation

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
Great stuff Dave,
It is of course very difficult to spot errors in ones own stuff, so feed 
back is essential
I will incorporate your suggestion when I update the info on github (soon).

Thanks lots
BJ

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:18:07 PM UTC+1, Dave Gifford - 
http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Just a couple recommendations for the documentation at 
> https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers, as non-technical Dave tries to 
> wrap his head around this and runs into hiccups along the way. I started 
> with Chrome, gave up, and tried again, successfully, with Firefox. I did 
> not go back and use what I had learned in the Firefox process to see if 
> Chrome worked for me.
>
> 1. The current documentation made me think the tiddlywikilocations folder 
> had to be in the (in my case, Windows) Downloads directory. But after 
> experimenting it seems that what is meant is that it has to be in whatever 
> directory the user has told their browser to download files to (in my case, 
> the desktop). You could save new users some grief by clearing that up.
>
> 2. There is a spelling error 'Dowload' in both the Firefox and Chromium 
> instructions. Minor thing, but when new users are trying to slavishly 
> follow instructions, this is the kind of thing that gives them some anxiety.
>
> 3. Chrome was giving me warnings telling me to Disable developer mode 
> extensions. It looks as if this popup will come up everytime I open the 
> file. You should address that in the documentation.
>
> 4. You should maybe explain the default behavior: eg this for Firefox: 
> "savetiddlers will then overwrite the file in the tiddlywikilocations 
> folder, and if you have specified backups to be made, those backups will 
> appear in the folder where you specified them to be created."
>
> Hope that helps with onboarding a little. Blessings.
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread coda coder


On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:39:50 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Please explain!
>
> Running on node.js, it does work. But not from TiddlyWiki.com. Odd.
>
>
Sorry Mark, I missed that.

99.99% of TW node installs are going to be using http.  If you drop a link 
in there to another http source yes, it will work.  You should even be able 
to link to https sources, too.  That's why your node experiment worked.  
TW.com OTOH was being *served* over httpS -- you're not allowed to 
"downgrade" the secure protocol on a per link basis.

I mentioned protocol-less links (also called schemeless) - most everywhere 
you can type http: and https:, you can simply type nothing.  For example:

src="//www.youtube.com/embed/i3Bggkm7paA" 

and it will work.  This is simply saying, "go with whatever protocol makes 
sense and quit making me think about it"  :)

Here's a SO discussion about it:  
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4831741/can-i-change-all-my-http-links-to-just

None of this is needed for the average TW or user... but someone serving up 
a TW in a secure environment and needing to link to external sources of 
unknown transports, might. Maybe. ;)



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[tw] Re: Unable to save

2017-11-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Eric,

Ha! This has been just about all we've talked about for the last 2 weeks. 
;-)

The 2 choices closest to what you had before:

   - BJ's save extension: https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers
   - Mario's save extension: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases

Good luck!
Mark


On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 8:43:39 AM UTC-8, Eric Weir wrote:
>
>
> This is likely an issue that has been addressed here in the recent past. I 
> have been away from TiddlyWiki Group and TiddlyWiki itself for several 
> years now. I have a TiddlyWiki Classic (2.7.1) configuration that I 
> considered nearly perfect for my purposes—note taking and organizing in 
> support of extended writing projects and management of contact 
> information—at the point that I became inactive. 
>
> For some time now TiddlyWiki has functioned for me mainly as a contact 
> information backup. I have been running it in FireFox, which I use only for 
> that. A week or so ago after I’d entered some new data I was notified that 
> the Tiddler could not be saved. The notice said that saving should work 
> with FireFox. Other possible reasons given were illegal characters in the 
> TiddlyWiki path name and that the TiddlyWiki file had been moved or 
> renamed, none of which are applicable. 
>
> Hoping for a straightforward resolution as my TiddlyWiki configuration 
> skills have atrophied considerably in recent years.   
>
> Thanks, 
> --
>  
>
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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
thanks for the info. There is another debug window 'Browser Console' (not 
'Web Console') that should have a line like:

savetiddlers: failed path /home/buggyj/Téléchargement!=/home/buggyj/Télé
chargement

that shows the actual comparison that failed.

It would help me a lot if you could find that line (Browser Console is 
unfortunately a shared debug screen)

cheers

BJ

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 8:27:36 PM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> This figure shows the settings for downloading at FF 57.0 64 bit in 
> Windows 10:
>
>
>
> And the console shows the following messages:
>
>
> Hope this help,
>
> Alfonso 
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 2:05:44 AM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Unforturnately I do not have window 10. savetiddlers does display 
>> diagnostic information in firefox's console. If you could copy these 
>> massages and post them here it would help alot.
>>
>> Try this in the tab that you have tried to save (and you see the file 
>> choose dialogue in place of success)
>>
>> To get to the console press firefox hamburger icon to open the main menu, 
>> select 'Web Developer' then select 'Browser Console'.
>>
>> you should see a messages like:
>>
>> "savetiddlers: not in .."
>>
>> thanks
>> BJ
>>
>>
>> here's a picture of the hamburger menu - it may be different in windows
>>
>> https://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/firefox-57-touch-menu.png
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 4:24:08 AM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your prompt answer, BJ,
>>>
>>> However, my default Firefox download directory is the same as my Windows 
>>> download directory. The issue is still there...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alfonso
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:

 Hi Alfonso,
 It is not the windows download directory but the default directory set 
 in the firefox configuation, which is set in the firefox preferences.

 I am not planing adding any extra backup options at the moment, but 
 Mario has a different saving scheme - 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/19LF5KynLAc/9nEybNVXCAAJ

 cheers
 BJ

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Re: [tw] Modifying TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I adapted this into PR#3018

Would it be OK to post on Reddit too?

Thanks!
Mark

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen
>
> Before experimenting with TiddlyDesktop internals you should find the 
> location of the “user configuration folder” - click the “Settings” button 
> on the main TiddlyDesktop window, and then click the button “Open user 
> config folder”. Then move up to locate the parent folder, which should be 
> called “TiddlyDesktop”. If things go wrong, you can reset TiddlyDesktop to 
> its factory state by deleting this entire folder.
>
> Click the “Backstage” button on the main TiddlyDesktop window to open the 
> backstage wiki. This is is a Node.js-like instance of TiddlyWiki that runs 
> the UI and logic of TiddlyDesktop.
>
> So, as a start, let me get very specific. Suppose I wanted to get rid of 
> the "Add a TiddlyWiki Folder" button. How would I do that? 
>
>
> Within the backstage wiki, locate the tiddler “WikiListToolbar” (there’s a 
> link in HelloThere). Click it into edit mode and you’ll see the wikitext 
> for all the toolbar buttons. If you make modifications and click “done” 
> then the changes will immediately be reflected in the main TiddlyDesktop 
> window.
>
> Or consider the "advanced" button. As close as I can tell, the only thing 
> that does is display a "reveal backups" button. How would I change the 
> "advanced" button to the "reveal backups" button. 
>
>
> You can copy the code for the “reveal backups” button from the 
> tiddler $:/TiddlyDesktop/Settings and paste it into WikiListToolbar.
>
> Or change the colors? 
>
>
> Just as usual in TiddlyWiki: you can use the palette, or define your own 
> custom CSS.
>
> Or change the order in which the tiddlers are listed (which appears to be 
> alphabetical)?
>
>
> Open the “WikiList” tiddler, edit it, and scroll to the end. Then change 
> the <$list> widget inside the “wikilist” macro:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[wikilist]sort[title]!has[draft.of]]" emptyMessage="Add 
> a ~TiddlyWiki file or folder to get started.
>
> Click the buttons above to browse, or drag and drop from your file 
> Explorer/Finder" storyview="pop">
>
>
> As you click around the backstage wiki and the content of the 
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/tiddlydesktop within it, and you’ll quickly see how 
> the pieces fit together, but feel free to ask any further questions here.
>
> Best wishes
>
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>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Thanks, Codacoder is correct, the http://www.youtube.com/ links needed changing 
to https. I’ve now pushed through the changes, but it might take a few minutes 
for them to show up.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/c507d4e2dd1c6ef072f963f0b0b86038f50af267

Many thanks,

Jeremy.

> On 18 Nov 2017, at 19:47, coda coder  wrote:
> 
> tiddlywiki.com is (now) using the https protocol.  The "Introducing 
> TiddlyDesktop Video" tiddler uses http protocol.  Trying to use a less secure 
> connection (http) over the higher security protocol (https) is disallowed -- 
> basically, the browser is protecting you.
> 
> So Jeremy needs to scour his source and change all http to https (or use 
> protocol-less links, perhaps?)
> 
> If you edit "Introducing TiddlyDesktop Video" and change the src url like 
> this src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/i3Bggkm7paA;  it will work.
> 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:39:50 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
> Please explain!
> 
> Running on node.js, it does work. But not from TiddlyWiki.com. Odd.
> 
> Thanks!
> Mark
> 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 11:15:23 AM UTC-8, coda coder wrote:
> Can't use http and https?
> 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
> I've now tested in two FF browsers and one Chrome browser on Win 7. Also one 
> FF browser on Linux Mint.
> 
> On none of these does the embedded video for Introducing TiddlyDesktop Video 
> or any other video I checked show up.
> 
> The same video does play if the url is taken and pasted into a browser 
> window. So it's not a missing codec or player.
> 
> I'm thinking it might have something to do with an  inside of a an 
> , but don't really know.
> 
> Anyone else having this problem?
> 
> Thanks!
> Mark
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[tw] Re: Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
this works for me 
https://www.youtube.com/embed/i3Bggkm7paA; frameborder="0" 
allowfullscreen>

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 8:39:50 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Please explain!
>
> Running on node.js, it does work. But not from TiddlyWiki.com. Odd.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 11:15:23 AM UTC-8, coda coder wrote:
>>
>> Can't use http and https?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I've now tested in two FF browsers and one Chrome browser on Win 7. Also 
>>> one FF browser on Linux Mint.
>>>
>>> On none of these does the embedded video for Introducing TiddlyDesktop 
>>> Video or any other video I checked show up.
>>>
>>> The same video does play if the url is taken and pasted into a browser 
>>> window. So it's not a missing codec or player.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking it might have something to do with an  inside of a 
>>> an , but don't really know.
>>>
>>> Anyone else having this problem?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Mark
>>>
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[tw] Re: Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Please explain!

Running on node.js, it does work. But not from TiddlyWiki.com. Odd.

Thanks!
Mark

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 11:15:23 AM UTC-8, coda coder wrote:
>
> Can't use http and https?
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I've now tested in two FF browsers and one Chrome browser on Win 7. Also 
>> one FF browser on Linux Mint.
>>
>> On none of these does the embedded video for Introducing TiddlyDesktop 
>> Video or any other video I checked show up.
>>
>> The same video does play if the url is taken and pasted into a browser 
>> window. So it's not a missing codec or player.
>>
>> I'm thinking it might have something to do with an  inside of a 
>> an , but don't really know.
>>
>> Anyone else having this problem?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Unable to save

2017-11-18 Thread Alfonso Arciniega
Hi Eric,

See https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/SRudYuNhhKg/7J_42kOFCAAJ for 
a solution to this issue.

Alfonso

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[tw] Re: Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread coda coder
yep, that's what it is.

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:15:23 PM UTC-6, coda coder wrote:
>
> Can't use http and https?
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I've now tested in two FF browsers and one Chrome browser on Win 7. Also 
>> one FF browser on Linux Mint.
>>
>> On none of these does the embedded video for Introducing TiddlyDesktop 
>> Video or any other video I checked show up.
>>
>> The same video does play if the url is taken and pasted into a browser 
>> window. So it's not a missing codec or player.
>>
>> I'm thinking it might have something to do with an  inside of a 
>> an , but don't really know.
>>
>> Anyone else having this problem?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread coda coder
Can't use http and https?

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I've now tested in two FF browsers and one Chrome browser on Win 7. Also 
> one FF browser on Linux Mint.
>
> On none of these does the embedded video for Introducing TiddlyDesktop 
> Video or any other video I checked show up.
>
> The same video does play if the url is taken and pasted into a browser 
> window. So it's not a missing codec or player.
>
> I'm thinking it might have something to do with an  inside of a an 
> , but don't really know.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

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[tw] Problems with videos on TiddlyWiki.com

2017-11-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I've now tested in two FF browsers and one Chrome browser on Win 7. Also 
one FF browser on Linux Mint.

On none of these does the embedded video for Introducing TiddlyDesktop 
Video or any other video I checked show up.

The same video does play if the url is taken and pasted into a browser 
window. So it's not a missing codec or player.

I'm thinking it might have something to do with an  inside of a an 
, but don't really know.

Anyone else having this problem?

Thanks!
Mark

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Re: [tw] Modifying TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Stephen

Before experimenting with TiddlyDesktop internals you should find the location 
of the “user configuration folder” - click the “Settings” button on the main 
TiddlyDesktop window, and then click the button “Open user config folder”. Then 
move up to locate the parent folder, which should be called “TiddlyDesktop”. If 
things go wrong, you can reset TiddlyDesktop to its factory state by deleting 
this entire folder.

Click the “Backstage” button on the main TiddlyDesktop window to open the 
backstage wiki. This is is a Node.js-like instance of TiddlyWiki that runs the 
UI and logic of TiddlyDesktop.

> So, as a start, let me get very specific. Suppose I wanted to get rid of the 
> "Add a TiddlyWiki Folder" button. How would I do that? 

Within the backstage wiki, locate the tiddler “WikiListToolbar” (there’s a link 
in HelloThere). Click it into edit mode and you’ll see the wikitext for all the 
toolbar buttons. If you make modifications and click “done” then the changes 
will immediately be reflected in the main TiddlyDesktop window.

> Or consider the "advanced" button. As close as I can tell, the only thing 
> that does is display a "reveal backups" button. How would I change the 
> "advanced" button to the "reveal backups" button. 

You can copy the code for the “reveal backups” button from the tiddler 
$:/TiddlyDesktop/Settings and paste it into WikiListToolbar.

> Or change the colors? 

Just as usual in TiddlyWiki: you can use the palette, or define your own custom 
CSS.

> Or change the order in which the tiddlers are listed (which appears to be 
> alphabetical)?

Open the “WikiList” tiddler, edit it, and scroll to the end. Then change the 
<$list> widget inside the “wikilist” macro:

> <$list filter="[tag[wikilist]sort[title]!has[draft.of]]" emptyMessage="Add a 
> ~TiddlyWiki file or folder to get started.
> 
> Click the buttons above to browse, or drag and drop from your file 
> Explorer/Finder" storyview="pop">

As you click around the backstage wiki and the content of the 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/tiddlydesktop within it, and you’ll quickly see how the 
pieces fit together, but feel free to ask any further questions here.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
I can see there is a problem with the accents


On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 6:18:03 PM UTC+1, BJ wrote:
>
> sorry but the directions I gave for seeing the console messages should 
> have said 'Browser Console' not 'Web Console'
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 4:24:08 AM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt answer, BJ,
>>
>> However, my default Firefox download directory is the same as my Windows 
>> download directory. The issue is still there...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alfonso
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Alfonso,
>>> It is not the windows download directory but the default directory set 
>>> in the firefox configuation, which is set in the firefox preferences.
>>>
>>> I am not planing adding any extra backup options at the moment, but 
>>> Mario has a different saving scheme - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/19LF5KynLAc/9nEybNVXCAAJ
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> BJ
>>>
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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
sorry but the directions I gave for seeing the console messages should have 
said 'Browser Console' not 'Web Console'

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 4:24:08 AM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> Thanks for your prompt answer, BJ,
>
> However, my default Firefox download directory is the same as my Windows 
> download directory. The issue is still there...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alfonso
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alfonso,
>> It is not the windows download directory but the default directory set in 
>> the firefox configuation, which is set in the firefox preferences.
>>
>> I am not planing adding any extra backup options at the moment, but Mario 
>> has a different saving scheme - 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/19LF5KynLAc/9nEybNVXCAAJ
>>
>> cheers
>> BJ
>>
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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

2017-11-18 Thread PMario
On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 3:37:53 PM UTC+1, Furicle wrote:
>
> Thanks Mario
> Working with limited testing on my TW Classic and Firefox 56.02 (64 bit)
>
> I have a couple of ideas for improvement I'll add to github, not sure how 
> practical they are.
>

Feedback is allways welcome! 

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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
Hi Sylvain,
thanks for the feedback.

I am putting the 'tiddlywikifiles' in the options so it can be change (I am 
just finishing the release). I will investigate the accent visa-vi 
Téléchargement.

all the best
BJ

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+1, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>
>
>
> Le mardi 7 novembre 2017 20:30:39 UTC+1, BJ a écrit :
>>
>>
>> I think that 'savetidders' (formerly bsaver) is about finished, and needs 
>> some testings on different platforms. So I would be grateful if people 
>> could try it. Remember don't use your own tiddlywikis  for testing this 
>> extension!!!
>>
>> The install instructions are here: https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> BJ
>>
>
> Hi BJ,
>
> I've tested it 2 days ago at work with success on a Win7 desktop.
>
> At home on my fresh Fedora 27, it's doesn't work sadly. I correctly create 
> the subdir tiddlywikilocations on the default Download directory 
> (Téléchargement in french), but every time it save the popup say me "TW not 
> in tiddlywikilocations within the download directory.
>  using default download directory", but it is !
>
> OK, so I've test with another folder (Public), and it work. So it's 
> because of accent in path.
>
> For my information, is tiddlywikilocations hard coded ? Can we chose our 
> name in a future ?
>
> And like TonyM it work if we use the second option to ask where Firefox 
> have to save other files. Good.
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvain
>
>

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[tw] Unable to save

2017-11-18 Thread Eric Weir

This is likely an issue that has been addressed here in the recent past. I have 
been away from TiddlyWiki Group and TiddlyWiki itself for several years now. I 
have a TiddlyWiki Classic (2.7.1) configuration that I considered nearly 
perfect for my purposes—note taking and organizing in support of extended 
writing projects and management of contact information—at the point that I 
became inactive. 

For some time now TiddlyWiki has functioned for me mainly as a contact 
information backup. I have been running it in FireFox, which I use only for 
that. A week or so ago after I’d entered some new data I was notified that the 
Tiddler could not be saved. The notice said that saving should work with 
FireFox. Other possible reasons given were illegal characters in the TiddlyWiki 
path name and that the TiddlyWiki file had been moved or renamed, none of which 
are applicable.

Hoping for a straightforward resolution as my TiddlyWiki configuration skills 
have atrophied considerably in recent years.   

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[tw] TiddlyServer on Raspberry Pi 3 with Stretch Raspbian and host 0.0.0.0

2017-11-18 Thread Ron Sharp
I ran into a snag following instructions for installing TiddlyServer on a 
Pi:

https://www.didaxy.com/tiddlyserver-on-the-raspberry-pi

Running for localhost works fine, but trying put it on the LAN generates an 
EADDRINUSE exception, no matter which port is used, which was a 
head-scratcher because a single Tiddlywiki server works fine.

The problem is probably that Raspbian Stretch changed a lot of networking 
behavior, and node.js is in fast-moving state of flux. (v8.9.1)

Stretch generates interfaces for lo, eth0 and wlan0, even if the wifi isn't 
being used.
Listening for host 0.0.0.0 tries all the interfaces, and goes boom.

The solution/workaround is to use the exact IP address of the correct 
interface. (I've assigned fixed IP addresses on the LAN, so that isn't a 
problem for me.) It's working fine now, thanks!

{ Error: listen EADDRINUSE 0.0.0.0:
at Object._errnoException (util.js:1024:11)
at _exceptionWithHostPort (util.js:1046:20)
at Server.setupListenHandle [as _listen2] (net.js:1351:14)
at listenInCluster (net.js:1392:12)
at doListen (net.js:1501:7)
at _combinedTickCallback (internal/process/next_tick.js:141:11)
at process._tickCallback (internal/process/next_tick.js:180:9)
at Function.Module.runMain (module.js:678:11)
at startup (bootstrap_node.js:187:16)
at bootstrap_node.js:608:3
  code: 'EADDRINUSE',
  errno: 'EADDRINUSE',
  syscall: 'listen',
  address: '0.0.0.0',
  port:  }
caught process uncaughtException

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

2017-11-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Shay

IF you understand how to write complex regular expressions I highly 
recommend BJ's FLEXITY PLUGIN  that 
will allow you to create **your own parser**.

In a previous post I adumbrated that TiddlyWiki has the potential to be a 
Universal Markup Engine--at least for the simpler markups and downs. I 
think there is a lot of mileage in that idea for inter-conversion of the 
simpler markup systems. 

The older systems of markup are looking a bit tired. There is no real 
reason that they should not be inter-changeable easily. Its more an inertia 
to vision forward than any technical obstacle.

Pandoc is something else. Its scope is huge and its DEDICATED to the one 
purpose of complex conversion. Unless you need complex XML etc I think its 
overkill.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 17 November 2017 18:16:46 UTC+1, Shay Shaked wrote:
>
> So I installed the markdown plugin, works ok, but the problem is that it 
> doesn't play nice inside TW. some markings (like strikethrough) and my own 
> Macros, highlight to text, journal entries and the like do not play nice in 
> TW. So, I was looking at pandoc to help me convert markdown to WikiText, 
> which exists, but then TW is not exactly WikiText
>
> Did anyone build a TW extension to pandoc perhaps? Can this be done? Or, 
> is there a plugin to TW that understands WikiText? 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] A working prototype multi-user wiki

2017-11-18 Thread Jed Carty
Tony,

That wouldn't really be part of the gatekeeper part. All the gatekeeper 
part does is act like the file system adaptors that tiddlywiki normally 
uses, it just works faster and lets you have multiple connected instances 
of the same wiki. You can define a set of tiddlers that are not 
synchronised but unless we redefine how the node version of tiddlywiki 
defines wikis this isn't really for inter-wiki communication.

We can use the websockets part to create an inter-wiki communication plugin 
though. That could be used to send tiddlers between wikis. I am hoping to 
use this to extend twederation but I haven't made any progress on that.

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[tw] Probing: TiddlyWiki 101 - The CONSUMER VERSION

2017-11-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Cari tutti,

This is an initial query about TW when its incarnated as a SPECIFIC 
APPLICATION.

It seems to me that most of us HERE are inclined to D.I.Y.

BUT I'm not convinced that the actual USER base are D.I.Y. enthusiasts. 

When you start looking at TW when incarnated as specific apps other issues 
arise.

The RECENT innovations on file saving echo that point.

Should TW be seen as a Web Page? Why emphasise that?

OKAY.

So my thought is here about having TW that are "set-for-purpose" (ToDo, 
Image Gallery, Mapper etc) enfolded within an install mechanism that the 
user see NOT as a web-page but as a normal piece of SOFTWARE. they are 
never aware its running in a browser (Tiddly Desktop is closish to that). 
And development is NOT D.I.Y. by end users. Its all done by the developer, 
solo.  

Before I go further
I need check that at least someone knows what I'm talking about.

Thoughts
Josiah




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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

2017-11-18 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Eneko,

this behavior is actually not triggered by javascript but by tiddlymap's css…

@media (max-width: __breakpoint__) {
  .tc-sidebar-scrollable {
.tmap-desktop-editor .tmap-widget:not(.tmap-fullscreen) {
  display: none;
}
  }
}

where "__breakpoint__" translates to:


const replaceAfterSass = {
  '__breakpoint__': '{{$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint}}'
};



So check what the following tiddler yields when opening it.

$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint

Below this pixel threshold, the main editor in the sidebar won't be displayed 
as TiddlyMap is not designed to work on a small device because it needs some 
space to visualize nodes and relations on a map.

That being said, you can still decide to work with tiddlymap mobile by simply 
creating a tiddler with a tiddlymap "editor" widget inside:

(paste the following in you tiddler)

<$tiddlymap
  editor="advanced"
  click-to-use="false">



Hope that helps

Best wishes Felix.


On 11/17/2017 02:12 AM, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
I am exhausted, I must go to sleep, tomorrow I will follow.

Thank you for helping me. See you tomorrow!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
> wrote:
I don't know much about Macs, and especially how TiddlyDesktop operates with 
them.

If you download a new TW file (because I don't want to endanger your existing 
work), then you can import the attached file into that new TW. Then SAVE and 
RELOAD.

Then In TiddlyDesktop open a tiddler in that new TW and create macro 
<> and then preview it.

This should tell you what TiddlyDesktop thinks your user agent is. It might 
help in tweaking TD or maps. Might. Maybe. Possibly. ;-)

I would be curious what it reports.

Good luck!
Mark

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:45:47 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
Hi Mark, thank you very much for your answer.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:20 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
 wrote:
In my very brief look at the code, it appears that it determines mobile mode by 
comparing this regex string:

/mobile|tablet|ip(ad|hone|od)|android/i

against whatever your browser returns as it's user agent. You can navigate to 
this page:

https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/tryit.asp?filename=tryjsref_nav_useragent

and press the button to see what your browser is exposing as it's user agent.

Sorry for not having been more precise: I get that warning editing the 
TiddlyMap file within

TiddlyDesktop.app
 (on a macbook air), but if I open it using Tiddly Drive the warning does not 
appear.
Maybe
TiddlyDesktop
​ is not well suited for editing TiddlyMap files?​

Thank you!

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:04:11 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
Hi wonderful coders :)

I am beginning to study how to use TiddlyMap (a marvelous plugin that turns TW 
onto a wiki & concept-map hybrid).

After installing all the TiddlyMap plugins I get the Map tab in the wiki's 
sidebar but also a warning saying that The editor is not displayed in mobile 
mode.
 That warning seems to me surprising because I'm using TiddlyMap on a laptop.

I'm stuck on that warning. I have not found anything relevant in the menu 
options nor either information about how to overcome the warning. Perhaps 
somebody can help me.

Please, excuse me if this question belongs to trifling matter.

Thank you very much, code geniuses!
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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Riz

The work you did on Reddit is immense.

I was a big pusher for change. But I did NOTHING practical. Shame on me 
(well, apart from Twitter).

I STILL think we are left with very UNKEMPT systems. And as it gets yet 
more complex and interestingly rich it gets even worse for a beginner, I 
think.

Take, for instance, SAVING TW. Now we have many excellent methods. But if 
you are not reading the list daily its actually, for many a newbie, more 
info than you can cope with. WHICH method? FOR what? HOW can I get clearer 
what to do?

I dunno what the solution is. 

Your Reddit is v. good in that you tend to lift out the MAIN themes and its 
a *definite plus* to have it simple enough to follow main developments. But 
still STEERAGE is somewhat lacking I think. 

There is maybe a lacking ACCESS ROUTE that is clear enough for a new user 
who knows nothing and is NOT interested in D.I.Y. to get up and running. 
That issue is partly orthogonal to which particular forum you read.

Possibly PART of the issue devolves to clearer delineation of TYPES of TW? 
By which I mean delineation of DIY versions from whole, finished apps 
(where dabbling is very secondary & its easier to say what they are).

Something like that.

Just thoughts
Josiah, x

Riz wrote:
>
> >  Is the subreddit more of a plugin directory?
>
> I can understand why people would think that. It was initially started as 
> a possible alternative to google group. There was a demand for a forum 
> where people can categorize the posts, upvote on favorite responses,   will 
> have a wiki and multiple moderators responsible for the overseeing the 
> forum. Most of the other choices with similar feature set were non-free. 
>
> However,  last time such a discussion happened, it was implied that 
> community would probably prefer either a stack-overflow based solution or 
> TW5 based experiment called Twederation. Owing to general disinterest and 
> my inability to convince people the necessity of an alternative to show 
> case the available options regarding TW5 which are missed out, the 
> discussion largely was and is still limited to google groups. 
>
> It is not all bad, however. We do still keep the forum updated. We have a 
> wiki there that list around 200 old plugins published before subreddit was 
> born. (those published after can be found by clicking on any of the plugin 
> tags). In additions flairs like tutorials,  adapations and tweaks enable 
> people to explore the possibilities of TW5. I do wish more and more will 
> post there in addition to here. 
>
>
> > Actual discussion is probably hard to do there. 
>
> It can't be really said that it is not a platform well suited for 
> discussion. Keep in mind that there are subreddits ranging from Jokes(
> http://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes)  to Worldnews(
> http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews) ,  from psychology (
> http://www.reddit.com/r/psychology)  to AskReddit (
> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit) ,  all of which have over 100,000 
> subscribers and witness intense discussions. 
>
>
> > The problem is, you can't re-edit an item. 
>
> Are we talking about comments? Hmmm, it can be edited. 
>
> Anyway,  my point is,  if anybody is willing to write step by step 
> tutorials for any of the complaints OP raised in the first post,  we can 
> dedicate a page a page for such tutorials in reddit. So those who have 
> experience and is willing to contribute,  please do. 
>
>

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

2017-11-18 Thread TonyM
Shay,

There are so many formats there, I imagine it could be easy to add 
TiddlyWiki markup to the set.

Of more interest to me would be being able to import/export tiddlers in 
anyone of these nominated markups.

However I often find value customising the output differently to the source 
text anyway.

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread Sylvain Naudin


Le mardi 7 novembre 2017 20:30:39 UTC+1, BJ a écrit :
>
>
> I think that 'savetidders' (formerly bsaver) is about finished, and needs 
> some testings on different platforms. So I would be grateful if people 
> could try it. Remember don't use your own tiddlywikis  for testing this 
> extension!!!
>
> The install instructions are here: https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers
>
> cheers
>
> BJ
>

Hi BJ,

I've tested it 2 days ago at work with success on a Win7 desktop.

At home on my fresh Fedora 27, it's doesn't work sadly. I correctly create 
the subdir tiddlywikilocations on the default Download directory 
(Téléchargement in french), but every time it save the popup say me "TW not 
in tiddlywikilocations within the download directory.
 using default download directory", but it is !

OK, so I've test with another folder (Public), and it work. So it's because 
of accent in path.

For my information, is tiddlywikilocations hard coded ? Can we chose our 
name in a future ?

And like TonyM it work if we use the second option to ask where Firefox 
have to save other files. Good.

Cheers,
Sylvain

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[tw] Re: [TW5] A working prototype multi-user wiki

2017-11-18 Thread TonyM
.Jed,

I have not yet experimented with this, even advanced applications of node 
JS wikis, there is not enough in a lifetime to do everything that's 
possible with TiddlyWiki. This solution however is very promising. I will 
get into it further.

I think all the activity around saving has dominated a little recently.

I was thinking about a name, as I always love a naming competition and for 
some reason Transcendental tiddlers came to mind, but its too long for a 
name.

A Couple of other thoughts

teletiddlers - like telegraphe, but reminiscent of teletubbies
multi-wiki tiddlers
tiddlermessages
transwiki (tiddlers)

On the uses of such a solution there is I believe a long way to take this. 
I have an observation though that may help.

In TiddlyWiki and other environments that are feature rich, there seems to 
be a bit of polarisation, between how far you can go with tinkering and 
what is core or "standard uses".
I think the real advances come when features are made more accessible, and 
this starts with elegant solutions to somewhat simple problems on the 
surface, but which offer a whole world of opportunity.
You solution could be one of these, but I think it needs a powerful yet 
simple use case, to encourage adoption and then it will fly.

An example I am working on is to make fields more accessible, and usable. 
It should not be complicated to edit fields from the view template, when 
developing tiddler content. The idea of fields as tiddlers (like tags as 
tiddlers), an easy edit solution and the ability to set possible values is 
how I am hopping to develop a  powerful yet simple use case
.

* Have you any ideas about this for TW-Gatekeeper you can share? I would 
love to hear them!*
I think wrapping some good practices around transferring tiddlers via 
*TW-Gatekeeper*, would help adoption.

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-18 Thread BJ
Unforturnately I do not have window 10. savetiddlers does display 
diagnostic information in firefox's console. If you could copy these 
massages and post them here it would help alot.

Try this in the tab that you have tried to save (and you see the file 
choose dialogue in place of success)

To get to the console press firefox hamburger icon to open the main menu, 
select 'Web Developer' then select Web Console.

you should see a messages like:

"savetiddlers: not in .."

thanks
BJ


here's a picture of the hamburger menu - it may be different in windows
https://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/firefox-57-touch-menu.png

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 4:24:08 AM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> Thanks for your prompt answer, BJ,
>
> However, my default Firefox download directory is the same as my Windows 
> download directory. The issue is still there...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alfonso
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alfonso,
>> It is not the windows download directory but the default directory set in 
>> the firefox configuation, which is set in the firefox preferences.
>>
>> I am not planing adding any extra backup options at the moment, but Mario 
>> has a different saving scheme - 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/19LF5KynLAc/9nEybNVXCAAJ
>>
>> cheers
>> BJ
>>
>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-18 Thread Riz
>  Is the subreddit more of a plugin directory?

I can understand why people would think that. It was initially started as a 
possible alternative to google group. There was a demand for a forum where 
people can categorize the posts, upvote on favorite responses,   will have a 
wiki and multiple moderators responsible for the overseeing the forum. Most of 
the other choices with similar feature set were non-free. 

However,  last time such a discussion happened, it was implied that community 
would probably prefer either a stack-overflow based solution or TW5 based 
experiment called Twederation. Owing to general disinterest and my inability to 
convince people the necessity of an alternative to show case the available 
options regarding TW5 which are missed out, the discussion largely was and is 
still limited to google groups. 

It is not all bad, however. We do still keep the forum updated. We have a wiki 
there that list around 200 old plugins published before subreddit was born. 
(those published after can be found by clicking on any of the plugin tags). In 
additions flairs like tutorials,  adapations and tweaks enable people to 
explore the possibilities of TW5. I do wish more and more will post there in 
addition to here. 


> Actual discussion is probably hard to do there. 

It can't be really said that it is not a platform well suited for discussion. 
Keep in mind that there are subreddits ranging from 
Jokes(http://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes)  to 
Worldnews(http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews) ,  from psychology 
(http://www.reddit.com/r/psychology)  to AskReddit 
(http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit) ,  all of which have over 100,000 
subscribers and witness intense discussions. 


> The problem is, you can't re-edit an item. 

Are we talking about comments? Hmmm, it can be edited. 



Anyway,  my point is,  if anybody is willing to write step by step tutorials 
for any of the complaints OP raised in the first post,  we can dedicate a page 
a page for such tutorials in reddit. So those who have experience and is 
willing to contribute,  please do. 

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