[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello Rich,

You're describing "lazy-loading". I'm pretty sure you need to specify this 
in your settings or in the way you launch node. Otherwise everything gets 
loaded just as if it was a single TW file.

The images impair performance as much as text, and could be put into 
external files on relative paths, if using tiddlyserver, BOB, or 
tiddlydesktop.

It would be sensible to think that if your TW file is only 10 megs, then it 
shouldn't take up more than maybe 15 megs of memory. But that isn't what 
seems to happen, at least on my systems. For some reason, maybe because of 
the javascript, the browser needs many times more memory than the size of 
the file you're loading.

While I'm on the topic, it appears that TiddlyDesktop also takes up a lot 
more memory than one would expect, at least in my Windows setup.

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-7, Rich wrote:
>
> Hi Tony and Mark, thanks for helping.  
>
> I think it was reboot + cruft removal for the win. At least so far the 
> responsiveness is back to normal.  Cruft removal brings the folder size 
> down to 35 Mb instead of 120 Mb.
>
> I was curious about the images to text/media ratio.  I have a combined 
> total of about 21 megs in image files, mp3 files, and config tiddlers.  The 
> other 14 M are all basically text tiddlers, and 14 Mb is a lot less than 
> the 120 of yesterday but still pretty substantial.  The largest two text 
> tiddlers are 188kb and 51kb.  The larger one is a long string of notes I 
> took in Zotero, copypastaed into TW classic about 2009, and imported into 
> TW5 when I upgraded from classic.  It is all text with some formatting as 
> far as I can see. The next one is all notes on a particular book.  I do a 
> lot of quotes with comments from books and articles so I don't have to dig 
> out the original every time I write "real" stuff from my notes, so it is 
> not like I type everything.  It is probably a couple of volumes worth of 
> linear text but not an encyclopedia.  I write for a living and have used TW 
> since 2006 for my notes and ideas, so there really is a lot of text.
>
> I'd be curious to know where the max memory settings are for Chrome, I 
> think FF has a setting in the regular settings menu to only load pages on 
> focus, which saves a lot of memory.  On Chrome, I use an extension called 
> "Tiny 
> Suspender 
> "
>  
> which will suspend the tab after x minutes, replacing it in memory with a 
> tiny URI file that brings back the page from the web on focus.  It can be 
> turned off per page, which is a good idea on TW5 because it is writable and 
> gives a warning everytime Tiny Suspender goes into action, which is a 
> pain.  I seldom run out of memory and know immediately when I have.  After 
> a reboot, loading all my Chrome pages w/ tiny suspender active on 
> everything but gmail and TW5, I only use up 4.5 gigs.  Even if the whole 
> 120 megs is loading, it should be fine once it is in, but as I said, I 
> don't think everything has to load at once on Node.js, just the core and 
> whatever tiddlers are open, which is one of the reasons I use it.
>
> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:38:43 PM UTC-10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Remember the browsers have their own internal memory setting that stop 
>> them consuming too much of the host computers memory resources. Chrome and 
>> FireFox have settings that allow this to be increased, especially 
>> appropriate to TiddlyWiki users who's key application is the browser and 
>> TiddlyWikis within that. These browser limits met I was just not utilising 
>> the 16GB on my laptop, upping these has helped me, but is likely to help 
>> you more if your computer has the RAM.
>>
>> I would be interested to know where you use the most memory in your 
>> tiddlywikis, because the size you have could be a thousand encyclopedias, 
>> do you include media and images? Few people could write one encyclopedia in 
>> a life time, 
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+11, Rich wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
 I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
 with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
 Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
 $:/plugin/inmysocks/
 Hi Thanks Jed, 
>>>
>>>
>>> I deleted all the $_plugins/inmysocks/ tiddlers from the tiddlers 
>>> folder, and there are not any $:/plugin... files at all (probably different 
>>> characters allowed on nodejs/linux)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:

 I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
 with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
 Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they 

[tw5] Re: KeeBoord Plugin - Testers needed 8-) !

[Mohammad]

>
> An awesome addition to TW.
>
I use it with Tiddlyshow only for navigation and it works great for me 

Cheers
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow, Listreveal, Reminders

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Ok! The problem disappears in the latest edition of TodoNow.

Thanks for listening !
-- Mark

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 6:57:42 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Please ignore this report for the moment. On a whim I went to the ToDoNow 
> site and tried it in Chrome. It doesn't seem to have the problem. So it may 
> be just a problem in my "ancient" version of TodoNow.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 6:15:58 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it might be Chrome-related. I'm on Linux at the minute and Chrome 
>> there seems to manifest the same problem.
>>
>> Just to clarify, when clicking on a priority, there is a drop-down box 
>> with priority letter choices. Each letter is surrounded in dark grey. Then 
>> a thin band of white. Then the entire block of priority choices is 
>> surrounded by light grey. Ideally you just click on a letter to set the 
>> priority. But in Chrome/TiddlyDesktop, you have to very carefully click on 
>> the tiny white band that surrounds the letter, on the top or sides (but the 
>> bottom never works). If you click on the letter itself the click drills 
>> down and activates the priority pop-up for the task below it rather than 
>> setting the current task priority.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 8:48:52 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 Oct 2018, at 16:20, Thomas Elmiger  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know how to debug in TiddlyDesktop
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to point out that from the point of view of browser functionality, 
>>> TiddlyDesktop uses the Chrome rendering engine, and so it’s worth checking 
>>> if you get the problem with regular Chrome so that you can debug it there 
>>> if you have to.
>>>
>>> If you do need to debug in TiddlyDesktop you can access the developer 
>>> console by right clicking and selecting “Inspect element” (or pressing the 
>>> F12 key).
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

[Rich]

Hi Tony and Mark, thanks for helping.  

I think it was reboot + cruft removal for the win. At least so far the 
responsiveness is back to normal.  Cruft removal brings the folder size 
down to 35 Mb instead of 12Mb.

I was curious about the images to text/media ratio.  I have a combined 
total of about 21 megs in image files, mp3 files, and config tiddlers.  The 
other 14 M are all basically text tiddlers, and 14 Mb is a lot less than 
the 120 of yesterday but still pretty substantial.  The largest two text 
tiddlers are 188kb and 51kb.  The larger one is a long string of notes I 
took in Zotero, copypastaed into TW classic about 2009, and imported into 
TW5 when I upgraded from classic.  It is all text with some formatting as 
far as I can see. The next one is all notes on a particular book.  I do a 
lot of quotes with comments from books and articles so I don't have to dig 
out the original every time I write "real" stuff from my notes, so it is 
not like I type everything.  It is probably a couple of volumes worth of 
linear text but not an encyclopedia.  I write for a living and have used TW 
since 2006 for my notes and ideas, so there really is a lot of text.

I'd be curious to know where the max memory settings are for Chrome, I 
think FF has a setting in the regular settings menu to only load pages on 
focus, which saves a lot of memory.  On Chrome, I use an extension called "Tiny 
Suspender 
"
 
which will suspend the tab after x minutes, replacing it in memory with a 
tiny URI file that brings back the page from the web on focus.  It can be 
turned off per page, which is a good idea on TW5 because it is writable and 
gives a warning everytime Tiny Suspender goes into action, which is a 
pain.  I seldom run out of memory and know immediately when I have.  After 
a reboot, loading all my Chrome pages w/ tiny suspender active on 
everything but gmail and TW5, I only use up 4.5 gigs.  Even if the whole 
120 megs is loading, it should be fine once it is in, but as I said, I 
don't think everything has to load at once on Node.js, just the core and 
whatever tiddlers are open, which is one of the reasons I use it.

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:38:43 PM UTC-10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Remember the browsers have their own internal memory setting that stop 
> them consuming too much of the host computers memory resources. Chrome and 
> FireFox have settings that allow this to be increased, especially 
> appropriate to TiddlyWiki users who's key application is the browser and 
> TiddlyWikis within that. These browser limits met I was just not utilising 
> the 16GB on my laptop, upping these has helped me, but is likely to help 
> you more if your computer has the RAM.
>
> I would be interested to know where you use the most memory in your 
> tiddlywikis, because the size you have could be a thousand encyclopedias, 
> do you include media and images? Few people could write one encyclopedia in 
> a life time, 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+11, Rich wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>>> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
>>> with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
>>> Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
>>> $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>>> Hi Thanks Jed, 
>>
>>
>> I deleted all the $_plugins/inmysocks/ tiddlers from the tiddlers folder, 
>> and there are not any $:/plugin... files at all (probably different 
>> characters allowed on nodejs/linux)
>>
>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
>>> with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
>>> Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
>>> $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>>>
>>
>> ~~~
>> Mark S wrote:
>>
>> I'm stunned with that 120meg number. That's 12x larger than I would call 
>>> top-normal. But maybe results on Linux are better (haven't tested there 
>>> yet). How much system memory do you have?
>>
>>
>> Thanks Mark, 
>>
>> I have been keeping notes and writing in TW since 2006.  Some of the megs 
>> are from images, but there is a lot of text too.  Eventually, three major 
>> publications should come out of it: two books and the Great American 
>> Hypertext Novel :) along with a bunch of subgroups on sound and hearing and 
>> technology and mediation.
>>
>> Memory: 16 gigs, but I think one advantage of nodejs is that the tiddlers 
>> are not all one file, so it does not load the whole thing into memory at 
>> once.
>>
>> After your crash, did you check your memory? Did you reboot your system? 
>>> Or close out your browser? For me FF steals memory growing larger over 
>>> time. I believe this happens both in Windows and Linux 

Re: [tw5] KeeBoord Plugin - Testers needed 8-) !

[Eric Medina]

Hi BTC,

I  also have been testing your plugin and can;t wait for 5.18 to be
released. No problems so far! Thank you for your work  on this plugin.

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 19:26, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> Hello community,
>
> I've been working on a new version of the KeeBoord plugin here:
> https://burningtreec.github.io/KeeBoord
> It works on TiddlyWikies from the current prerelease (v5.1.18) upwards.
> That means that you need a copy from https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease to
> test it.
>
> To use it with the codemirror plugin, you need to import this Tiddler:
> https://burningtreec.github.io/KeeBoord/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror%2Fengine.js
> - save the Wiki and Reload
>
> This version has many new features and improvements:
>
>
>- Tracking of navigation to determine the currently viewed tiddler, so
>that we can act on it using keyboard shortcuts
>- Many pre-made shortcuts
>- Tweaks for Tiddlers in "Edit-Mode":
>   - The last selected input field is stored and remembered during a
>   session. It gets restored when editing a Tiddler again
>   - alt-Tab and alt-shift-Tab navigates through the input fields (tab
>   and shift-tab works, too)
>   - The standard TiddlyWiki Editor knows how to 
>   - Selections within the Text Editor are being stored
>   - Opening/Closing the preview doesn't loose focus within the Editor
>   anymore
>   - The Editor toolbar can be hidden without loosing the toolbar
>   shortcuts
>   - The popups of toolbar buttons display below the position of the
>   text cursor or the current text selection
>   - The toolbar popups can be navigated and closed using the keyboard
>   (up/down and escape, Enter to select. "S" within the image popup toggles
>   system-images on/off)
>- Dropdowns like the Tag, Type and Field dropdown can be navigated
>with Up/Down. Select with Enter
>- A Top Search-Popup is available (alt-F)
>   - select search results with up/down. Enter opens the result in the
>   story river
>   - alt-Left and alt-Right moves through the tabs
>   - ctrl-up and ctrl-down moves faster through the results
>   - alt-O opens all listed tiddlers
>- The more-popup can be opened with alt-shift-M
>   - up/down to select an entry, Enter for action, Escape to close
>- I don't remember all :P
>
>
> There are some issues that I'm going to address these days, but overall
> I'm happy with it
>
> If you're interested, I'd really appreciate some feedback if you encounter
> things that don't work as you'd expect or if you have ideas about what to
> improve AND HOW ;) (maybe?)
>
> Nice weekend to all,
> BørningTreeC
>
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[tw5] Re: Close Tiddler / Open Tiddler on Button Press

[Eric Shulman]

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:52:32 PM UTC-7, lber...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The code below successfully opens the {{Introduction}} tiddler upon button 
> press, but does not close the {{Initial Page}} tiddler (which is the action 
> that I seek)
> Documentation includes Param which is supposed to indicate 
>
What am I missing??
>

The first widget call is correct... "$action-navigate".. but the second 
widget should be:

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-close-tiddler"/>

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm)
InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals

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Re: [tw5] [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow, Listreveal, Reminders

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Please ignore this report for the moment. On a whim I went to the ToDoNow 
site and tried it in Chrome. It doesn't seem to have the problem. So it may 
be just a problem in my "ancient" version of TodoNow.

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 6:15:58 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Yes, it might be Chrome-related. I'm on Linux at the minute and Chrome 
> there seems to manifest the same problem.
>
> Just to clarify, when clicking on a priority, there is a drop-down box 
> with priority letter choices. Each letter is surrounded in dark grey. Then 
> a thin band of white. Then the entire block of priority choices is 
> surrounded by light grey. Ideally you just click on a letter to set the 
> priority. But in Chrome/TiddlyDesktop, you have to very carefully click on 
> the tiny white band that surrounds the letter, on the top or sides (but the 
> bottom never works). If you click on the letter itself the click drills 
> down and activates the priority pop-up for the task below it rather than 
> setting the current task priority.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 8:48:52 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2018, at 16:20, Thomas Elmiger  wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how to debug in TiddlyDesktop
>>
>>
>> Just to point out that from the point of view of browser functionality, 
>> TiddlyDesktop uses the Chrome rendering engine, and so it’s worth checking 
>> if you get the problem with regular Chrome so that you can debug it there 
>> if you have to.
>>
>> If you do need to debug in TiddlyDesktop you can access the developer 
>> console by right clicking and selecting “Inspect element” (or pressing the 
>> F12 key).
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Where do you tweak these settings? Because on my Windows machine FF will 
keep gobbling up memory until 90% of memory is consumed. Not sure if the 
same thing happens with Linux yet.

Thanks,
-- Mark

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 6:38:43 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Remember the browsers have their own internal memory setting that stop 
> them consuming too much of the host computers memory resources. Chrome and 
> FireFox have settings that allow this to be increased, especially 
> appropriate to TiddlyWiki users who's key application is the browser and 
> TiddlyWikis within that. These browser limits met I was just not utilising 
> the 16GB on my laptop, upping these has helped me, but is likely to help 
> you more if your computer has the RAM.
>
> I would be interested to know where you use the most memory in your 
> tiddlywikis, because the size you have could be a thousand encyclopedias, 
> do you include media and images? Few people could write one encyclopedia in 
> a life time, 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+11, Rich wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>>> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
>>> with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
>>> Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
>>> $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>>> Hi Thanks Jed, 
>>
>>
>> I deleted all the $_plugins/inmysocks/ tiddlers from the tiddlers folder, 
>> and there are not any $:/plugin... files at all (probably different 
>> characters allowed on nodejs/linux)
>>
>> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
>>> with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
>>> Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
>>> $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>>>
>>
>> ~~~
>> Mark S wrote:
>>
>> I'm stunned with that 120meg number. That's 12x larger than I would call 
>>> top-normal. But maybe results on Linux are better (haven't tested there 
>>> yet). How much system memory do you have?
>>
>>
>> Thanks Mark, 
>>
>> I have been keeping notes and writing in TW since 2006.  Some of the megs 
>> are from images, but there is a lot of text too.  Eventually, three major 
>> publications should come out of it: two books and the Great American 
>> Hypertext Novel :) along with a bunch of subgroups on sound and hearing and 
>> technology and mediation.
>>
>> Memory: 16 gigs, but I think one advantage of nodejs is that the tiddlers 
>> are not all one file, so it does not load the whole thing into memory at 
>> once.
>>
>> After your crash, did you check your memory? Did you reboot your system? 
>>> Or close out your browser? For me FF steals memory growing larger over 
>>> time. I believe this happens both in Windows and Linux (though to a smaller 
>>> extent). It has to be periodically reset, and it does appear that TW 
>>> exercises it more.
>>
>>
>> Did not check memory immediately after the crash, but when linux moves to 
>> swap, it slows everything down (even with SSD swap space), this is only 
>> slowing down TW5.  Everything else is running fine.  Don't use FF often for 
>> TW5, but checking in FF on a fresh start, it is slowed down there too, with 
>> the side effect of eating more memory than Chrome in this case.  
>>
>> Didn't think to reboot and I may have not restarted Chrome either.  will 
>> try and see if it fixes things.  MS-DOS advice to the rescue!  My bet is 
>> this fixes it :)  I still always forget to try it.
>>
>> In your notes you say you added text slicer, but it sounds like you may 
>>> have also run it? Which would presumably increase the number of tiddlers.  
>>
>>
>> I have run the text slicer on one file and it increased the file count to 
>> 1185, so I am a bit concerned about that in the long run.  the 985 count 
>> was pre-slice.
>>
>> I don't know about TiddlerTools, but I have encountered other plugins 
>>> that generate system tiddlers behind the scenes. Does your tiddler count 
>>> include system tiddlers? You can use a filter like [all[tiddlers]count[]] 
>>> in the advanced search to get a full count.
>>
>>
>> Felix Hayashi's TiddlyMap is generating some files, but I have been using 
>> that without issue for a long time. Did just update it though so I will 
>> check with him about removing these files.  The filter you gave counts 1129 
>> tiddlers, 56 *less* than in the file folder count.  I found 42 conflict 
>> resolution files from DropBox that are a byproduct of using the wiki on 
>> different computers.  They are not counted by TW5 and I removed them to a 
>> backup folder, but they have also been a part of the workflow for years 
>> without issue.  the others are probably retired media files or something.  
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> Thanks! will update after reboot
>> ~Rich
>>
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[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

[TonyM]

Rich,

Remember the browsers have their own internal memory setting that stop them 
consuming too much of the host computers memory resources. Chrome and 
FireFox have settings that allow this to be increased, especially 
appropriate to TiddlyWiki users who's key application is the browser and 
TiddlyWikis within that. These browser limits met I was just not utilising 
the 16GB on my laptop, upping these has helped me, but is likely to help 
you more if your computer has the RAM.

I would be interested to know where you use the most memory in your 
tiddlywikis, because the size you have could be a thousand encyclopedias, 
do you include media and images? Few people could write one encyclopedia in 
a life time, 

Regards
Tony

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+11, Rich wrote:
>
> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
>> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
>> with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
>> Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
>> $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>> Hi Thanks Jed, 
>
>
> I deleted all the $_plugins/inmysocks/ tiddlers from the tiddlers folder, 
> and there are not any $:/plugin... files at all (probably different 
> characters allowed on nodejs/linux)
>
> On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well 
>> with that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. 
>> Check if there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with 
>> $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>>
>
> ~~~
> Mark S wrote:
>
> I'm stunned with that 120meg number. That's 12x larger than I would call 
>> top-normal. But maybe results on Linux are better (haven't tested there 
>> yet). How much system memory do you have?
>
>
> Thanks Mark, 
>
> I have been keeping notes and writing in TW since 2006.  Some of the megs 
> are from images, but there is a lot of text too.  Eventually, three major 
> publications should come out of it: two books and the Great American 
> Hypertext Novel :) along with a bunch of subgroups on sound and hearing and 
> technology and mediation.
>
> Memory: 16 gigs, but I think one advantage of nodejs is that the tiddlers 
> are not all one file, so it does not load the whole thing into memory at 
> once.
>
> After your crash, did you check your memory? Did you reboot your system? 
>> Or close out your browser? For me FF steals memory growing larger over 
>> time. I believe this happens both in Windows and Linux (though to a smaller 
>> extent). It has to be periodically reset, and it does appear that TW 
>> exercises it more.
>
>
> Did not check memory immediately after the crash, but when linux moves to 
> swap, it slows everything down (even with SSD swap space), this is only 
> slowing down TW5.  Everything else is running fine.  Don't use FF often for 
> TW5, but checking in FF on a fresh start, it is slowed down there too, with 
> the side effect of eating more memory than Chrome in this case.  
>
> Didn't think to reboot and I may have not restarted Chrome either.  will 
> try and see if it fixes things.  MS-DOS advice to the rescue!  My bet is 
> this fixes it :)  I still always forget to try it.
>
> In your notes you say you added text slicer, but it sounds like you may 
>> have also run it? Which would presumably increase the number of tiddlers.  
>
>
> I have run the text slicer on one file and it increased the file count to 
> 1185, so I am a bit concerned about that in the long run.  the 985 count 
> was pre-slice.
>
> I don't know about TiddlerTools, but I have encountered other plugins that 
>> generate system tiddlers behind the scenes. Does your tiddler count include 
>> system tiddlers? You can use a filter like [all[tiddlers]count[]] in the 
>> advanced search to get a full count.
>
>
> Felix Hayashi's TiddlyMap is generating some files, but I have been using 
> that without issue for a long time. Did just update it though so I will 
> check with him about removing these files.  The filter you gave counts 1129 
> tiddlers, 56 *less* than in the file folder count.  I found 42 conflict 
> resolution files from DropBox that are a byproduct of using the wiki on 
> different computers.  They are not counted by TW5 and I removed them to a 
> backup folder, but they have also been a part of the workflow for years 
> without issue.  the others are probably retired media files or something.  
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Thanks! will update after reboot
> ~Rich
>

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Re: [tw5] [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow, Listreveal, Reminders

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Yes, it might be Chrome-related. I'm on Linux at the minute and Chrome 
there seems to manifest the same problem.

Just to clarify, when clicking on a priority, there is a drop-down box with 
priority letter choices. Each letter is surrounded in dark grey. Then a 
thin band of white. Then the entire block of priority choices is surrounded 
by light grey. Ideally you just click on a letter to set the priority. But 
in Chrome/TiddlyDesktop, you have to very carefully click on the tiny white 
band that surrounds the letter, on the top or sides (but the bottom never 
works). If you click on the letter itself the click drills down and 
activates the priority pop-up for the task below it rather than setting the 
current task priority.

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 8:48:52 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>
>
> On 20 Oct 2018, at 16:20, Thomas Elmiger  > wrote:
>
> I don't know how to debug in TiddlyDesktop
>
>
> Just to point out that from the point of view of browser functionality, 
> TiddlyDesktop uses the Chrome rendering engine, and so it’s worth checking 
> if you get the problem with regular Chrome so that you can debug it there 
> if you have to.
>
> If you do need to debug in TiddlyDesktop you can access the developer 
> console by right clicking and selecting “Inspect element” (or pressing the 
> F12 key).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord Plugin - Testers needed 8-) !

[h0p3]

I have been following along and testing it out. I'm sorry that I don't have 
any useful feedback for you. I can't wait for 5.18 to come out so that I 
can finally integrate this beast into my wiki. Thank you for making this 
tool.

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[tw5] Close Tiddler / Open Tiddler on Button Press

[lberkwits]

I am trying to code a button press to Open a New Tiddler and Close the 
Tiddler in which the button is shown, but having issues with the syntax of 
the close Tiddler.
The codes follows below.

TiddlyWiki is configured to open the {{Initial Page}} tiddler on opening, 
on which the below code is located (with Button Displayed). 

The code below successfully opens the {{Introduction}} tiddler upon button 
press, but does not close the {{Initial Page}} tiddler (which is the action 
that I seek)
Documentation includes Param which is supposed to indicate 
What am I missing??
Thanks much,  Lee.

<$button >
<$action-navigate $to="Introduction"/>
<$action-navigate $tm-close-tiddler="Initial Page"/>

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[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

[Rich]

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:

> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well with 
> that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. Check if 
> there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with $:/plugin/inmysocks/
> Hi Thanks Jed, 


I deleted all the $_plugins/inmysocks/ tiddlers from the tiddlers folder, 
and there are not any $:/plugin... files at all (probably different 
characters allowed on nodejs/linux)

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:49:30 AM UTC-10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well with 
> that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. Check if 
> there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with $:/plugin/inmysocks/
>

~~~
Mark S wrote:

I'm stunned with that 120meg number. That's 12x larger than I would call 
> top-normal. But maybe results on Linux are better (haven't tested there 
> yet). How much system memory do you have?


Thanks Mark, 

I have been keeping notes and writing in TW since 2006.  Some of the megs 
are from images, but there is a lot of text too.  Eventually, three major 
publications should come out of it: two books and the Great American 
Hypertext Novel :) along with a bunch of subgroups on sound and hearing and 
technology and mediation.

Memory: 16 gigs, but I think one advantage of nodejs is that the tiddlers 
are not all one file, so it does not load the whole thing into memory at 
once.

After your crash, did you check your memory? Did you reboot your system? Or 
> close out your browser? For me FF steals memory growing larger over time. I 
> believe this happens both in Windows and Linux (though to a smaller 
> extent). It has to be periodically reset, and it does appear that TW 
> exercises it more.


Did not check memory immediately after the crash, but when linux moves to 
swap, it slows everything down (even with SSD swap space), this is only 
slowing down TW5.  Everything else is running fine.  Don't use FF often, 
but checking in FF on a fresh start, it is slowed down there too, with the 
side effect of eating more memory than Chrome in this case.  

Didn't think to reboot and I may have not restarted Chrome either.  will 
try and see if it fixes things.  MS-DOS advice to the rescue!  My bet is 
this fixes it :)  I still always forget to try it.

In your notes you say you added text slicer, but it sounds like you may 
> have also run it? Which would presumably increase the number of tiddlers.  


I have run the text slicer on one file and it increased the file count to 
1185, so I am a bit concerned about that in the long run.  the 985 count 
was pre-slice.

I don't know about TiddlerTools, but I have encountered other plugins that 
> generate system tiddlers behind the scenes. Does your tiddler count include 
> system tiddlers? You can use a filter like [all[tiddlers]count[]] in the 
> advanced search to get a full count.


Felix Hawashi's TiddlyMap is generating some files, but I have been using 
that without issue for a long time. Did just update it though so I will 
check with him about removing these files.  The filter you gave counts 1129 
tiddlers, 56 *less* than in the file folder count.  I found 42 conflict 
resolution files from DropBox that are a byproduct of using the wiki on 
different computers.  They are not counted by TW5 and I removed them to a 
backup folder, but they have also been a part of the workflow for years 
without issue.  the others are probably retired media files or something.  

Good luck!


Thanks! will update after reboot
~Rich

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] TimerActions Plugin - trigger action widgets based on different timers

[David Gifford]

I added this to both the task management misc and Calendars/timers/timeline 
categories in the TiddlyWiki toolmap 
(https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM)

Dave

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 9:09:40 AM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> This plugin gives a way to trigger a script made of action widgets similar 
> to how the startup actions work. But instead of running when the wiki 
> starts it runs after a set amount of time. Either after a set amount (run 
> after 10 minutes) of time or periodically (run every minute).
>
> You can set up as many timers as you want and you can start/stop and 
> configure them independently.
>
> The plugin is available on GitHub: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-TimerActions
>
> And there is a demo wiki here: 
> https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/TimerActions/
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] TimerActions Plugin - trigger action widgets based on different timers

[Jed Carty]

The timer itself should barely use any resources, particularly compared to 
the browser or even just the wiki. Setting the update timer to longer 
intervals will probably have no effect on performance as long as it is 
significantly shorter than the period for the actions, otherwise the timing 
between the actions can be inaccurate. The savings from making the update 
interval longer are almost certainly going to be lost in the normal 
variations of power usage by the browser. The analytics built into many 
websites take much more energy than this, if you want an example.
I have given up on trying to figure out what is generally considered 
intuitive or simple. I can add a quick table to it. I briefly considered 
writing something so you could give times in other ways but got bored 
before I wrote or found a parser for it.
Next time I feel like looking at this I can see about adding a prefix but 
that leads to more annoyance than I want to think about now if people use 
something other than the simple interface I made to make timed events and 
give them different prefixes. 

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[tw5] SideBar buttons disabled when tiddlers are open

[ZeenRay]

I just installed nodejs tiddlywiki. I find that the sidebar buttons are 
disabled when any tiddlers are open. I have to close all tiddlers to be 
able to click on anything in the sidebar. I think this is not how it is 
supposed to work. Any idea what is wrong with my setup? I am using the 
Chrome browser.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] TimerActions Plugin - trigger action widgets based on different timers

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Jed,

This is great to make sure that reminders for my ToDoNow will pop up after 
a defined interval. I will check how to integrate and recommend it.

Hints after a first test: 

   - how resource consuming is this? Would it save the world if we set the 
   update value to 60
  - calculating milliseconds is not very intuitive, maybe give more 
  example vaues to copy: 1 day, 1 hour, 10 minutes
  - prefix timer tiddlers with $:/config/TimerAction/ to avoid 
   conflicts and appearance in search results?
   - broken list formatting in the licence: can be fixed by removing 
   indenting with spaces
   - typo in the .js file: ellapsed time => elapsed (only one l)
   
Thanks a lot! 
Thomas

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Re: [tw5] [TW5] Plugins updated: ToDoNow, Listreveal, Reminders

[Jeremy Ruston]

> On 20 Oct 2018, at 16:20, Thomas Elmiger  wrote:
> 
> I don't know how to debug in TiddlyDesktop

Just to point out that from the point of view of browser functionality, 
TiddlyDesktop uses the Chrome rendering engine, and so it’s worth checking if 
you get the problem with regular Chrome so that you can debug it there if you 
have to.

If you do need to debug in TiddlyDesktop you can access the developer console 
by right clicking and selecting “Inspect element” (or pressing the F12 key).

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Query -- One click import of JSON file at an exact address?

[Jeremy Ruston]

> On 21 Oct 2018, at 11:49, Jed Carty  wrote:
> 
> So if you are saying that there is some file 
> '/home/me/tiddlywiki/something.json' and it's location is both known and 
> won't change and I want to import it, there is nothing preventing the browser 
> from doing that.

Are you thinking of using XMLHttpRequest()? Sadly, for the last several years 
all major browsers prevent pages loaded from a file:// from reading other 
file:// URI locations, for fairly obvious security reasons.

As far as I know, the best we can do to achieve the OP is to use JSONP — in 
other words, have JS code dynamically add a 

[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

[Jed Carty]

I am not surprised that the tiddler tool thing I made doesn't do well with 
that many tiddlers, there are probably a lot of recursion  errors. Check if 
there are any edited tiddlers, they would start with $:/plugin/inmysocks/

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[tw5] Re: slowdown of tiddly wiki...debug protocol? Logs?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm stunned with that 120meg number. That's 12x larger than I would call 
top-normal. But maybe results on Linux are better (haven't tested there 
yet). How much system memory do you have?

After your crash, did you check your memory? Did you reboot your system? Or 
close out your browser? For me FF steals memory growing larger over time. I 
believe this happens both in Windows and Linux (though to a smaller 
extent). It has to be periodically reset, and it does appear that TW 
exercises it more.

In your notes you say you added text slicer, but it sounds like you may 
have also run it? Which would presumably increase the number of tiddlers.

I don't know about TiddlerTools, but I have encountered other plugins that 
generate system tiddlers behind the scenes. Does your tiddler count include 
system tiddlers? You can use a filter like [all[tiddlers]count[]] in the 
advanced search to get a full count.

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, Rich wrote:
>
> Hi, I recently had a slowdown of tiddlywiki.
>
> conditions to replication:
>
> * start with 120 meg tiddlywiki that has worked fine for many years.  
> running up-to-date manjaro with TiddlyWiki version: 5.1.17 on node.js.  
> running on chrome, most recent version.  Something around 985 tiddlers.  
> * add text reslicer plugin by dragging reslicer and sax plugins from here 
> 
>  (under 
> "plugins" tab) to my tw5. Everything works fine, except  the styling, which 
> I can figure out later I hope.
> * add plugins for tiddler tools 
> 
>  by 
> dragging to my tw5.  
>
> result: Adding tiddler tools causes tw5 to hang while loading and then 
> crashing.  
>
> workaround:
> * I tried to disable the tiddler tools (I could just get to the config for 
> plugins before the browser window crashed after five or six tries)  but 
> that does not fix it.
> * delete the $_plugin files for tiddler tools (inmysocks) from the tw5 
> tiddlers directory. 
> * kill and restart nodejs tiddlwiki server 
> * chrome crashed but I was able to load in firefox for some reason.  saved 
> in firefox.
> restart server again.  After that I could usually load the wiki without 
> crashing, but it has become very slow.  I
>
>  tried watching the console in the browser and launching from the terminal 
> for tiddlywiki nodejs server, but nothing stood out as a problem. The 
> messages just responded slow like the browser.
>
> Are there any other ways of debugging how TW5 is working?
>
> I would like to explore them if they exist before starting fresh, as I 
> have a fair number of plugins and custom stuff that I depend on an and 
> restarting from scratch is not trivial.  
>
> Any guidance appreciated.
>
> ~Rich
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- One click import of JSON file at an exact address?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> If I understand your original question this is very possible. But I am 
> getting a very different question from it than Eric, because everything he 
> said is correct about being able to determine the path to a file from the 
> browser.
>
> You can supply a file path to the browser and have it import a file, that 
> is no problem. The problem is getting the file path from a supplied file, 
> not getting a file from a supplied file path.
>
> *So if you are saying that there is some file 
> '/home/me/tiddlywiki/**something.json' 
> and it's location is both known and won't change and I want to import it, 
> there is nothing preventing the browser from doing that.*
>

That is exactly it. It won't change. The JSON files are in one directory 
with invariable addresses. 

FYI, the purpose is in Bob, to complement internalFetch, editions & plugins 
with highly-specific JSON imports. I prefer JSON as it will also work with 
singular wiki--so I don't need to maintain two systems. 

All I want to do is understand how to, on button click, invoke those JSON 
imports, if possible

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[tw5] KeeBoord Plugin - Testers needed 8-) !

[BurningTreeC]

Hello community,

I've been working on a new version of the KeeBoord plugin here: 
https://burningtreec.github.io/KeeBoord
It works on TiddlyWikies from the current prerelease (v5.1.18) upwards. 
That means that you need a copy from https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease to 
test it.

To use it with the codemirror plugin, you need to import this Tiddler: 
https://burningtreec.github.io/KeeBoord/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror%2Fengine.js
 
- save the Wiki and Reload

This version has many new features and improvements:


   - Tracking of navigation to determine the currently viewed tiddler, so 
   that we can act on it using keyboard shortcuts
   - Many pre-made shortcuts
   - Tweaks for Tiddlers in "Edit-Mode":
  - The last selected input field is stored and remembered during a 
  session. It gets restored when editing a Tiddler again
  - alt-Tab and alt-shift-Tab navigates through the input fields (tab 
  and shift-tab works, too)
  - The standard TiddlyWiki Editor knows how to 
  - Selections within the Text Editor are being stored
  - Opening/Closing the preview doesn't loose focus within the Editor 
  anymore
  - The Editor toolbar can be hidden without loosing the toolbar 
  shortcuts
  - The popups of toolbar buttons display below the position of the 
  text cursor or the current text selection
  - The toolbar popups can be navigated and closed using the keyboard 
  (up/down and escape, Enter to select. "S" within the image popup toggles 
  system-images on/off)
   - Dropdowns like the Tag, Type and Field dropdown can be navigated with 
   Up/Down. Select with Enter
   - A Top Search-Popup is available (alt-F)
  - select search results with up/down. Enter opens the result in the 
  story river
  - alt-Left and alt-Right moves through the tabs
  - ctrl-up and ctrl-down moves faster through the results
  - alt-O opens all listed tiddlers
   - The more-popup can be opened with alt-shift-M
  - up/down to select an entry, Enter for action, Escape to close
   - I don't remember all :P


There are some issues that I'm going to address these days, but overall I'm 
happy with it

If you're interested, I'd really appreciate some feedback if you encounter 
things that don't work as you'd expect or if you have ideas about what to 
improve AND HOW ;) (maybe?)

Nice weekend to all,
BørningTreeC

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[tw5] Re: Query -- One click import of JSON file at an exact address?

[Jed Carty]

If I understand your original question this is very possible. But I am 
getting a very different question from it than Eric, because everything he 
said is correct about being able to determine the path to a file from the 
browser.

You can supply a file path to the browser and have it import a file, that 
is no problem. The problem is getting the file path from a supplied file, 
not getting a file from a supplied file path.

So if you are saying that there is some file 
'/home/me/tiddlywiki/something.json' and it's location is both known and 
won't change and I want to import it, there is nothing preventing the 
browser from doing that.

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[tw5] Re: Query -- One click import of JSON file at an exact address?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:
>
> This may be possible to a degree if you can serve your file to the 
> browser, such as the link to the file is changed into an online file with a 
> url address. 
>

Thanks, that sounds hopeful.

If this is done only on the local host no one else can see it, and while 
> the browser can see them, its only what you choose. I will look into it.
>

Just so you know, here is the use case ...

-- Its ultimately for "Bob" wiki system.

-- It purely local, as an aid to being able to assemble Wiki without having 
to search all over the shop to get bits, tweaks and plugins needed. 

Background: Bob has superb tools like internalFetch (i.e. inter-wiki 
relations that can copy Tiddlers from one to another) editions, and, more 
recently, easy access to a plugin library. Powerful and useful. But its not 
quite the same as using JSON.

In reality: I already do most of needed customisation through JSON files. I 
prefer them as they will work with individual TW as well as a server based 
system, are easy to maintain through PMario's Bundler and highly portable. 
AND, most important, they can be very precisely honed sets of exactly what 
components I want to include in a wiki.

The problem is: having an easier way to cope with the numbers I have. They 
need better organising and, the ISSUE here, easier to find and invoke. 
 

> If this is done only on the local host no one else can see it, and while 
> the browser can see them, its only what you choose. I will look into it.
>
> Tiddlyserver can do this to some extent, the 5.1.18prerelease also speaks 
> of serving files.
>

Bet wishes
Josiah 

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[tw5] Re: Query -- One click import of JSON file at an exact address?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Eric

Thanks for the detailed clarification. I sort of suspected it was so but 
wanted to be really sure. 

Best wishes
Josiah


@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> The import mechanism allows browsing to find a file to import.
>>
>> Is it possible to specify an exact address of a file (preferably with 
>> relative addressing) so you can just click a button and activate import? 
>> I'm not clear if its possible or how to do it if it is.
>>
>
> Eric Shulman replied: 

> It's no longer possible, due to increases in browser security.  
>
> If you could access an "exact address of a file" without going through the 
> system interface, then it would be possible to trick people into clicking a 
> button that reads system data without them knowing it.
>
> Basically, the system file I/O dialog box is limited by the browser so it 
> can be used to select a file, but the data *returned* by that box only 
> includes the filename, extension, and file *content*... but NOT the path to 
> the file, as that could be used to probe your local directory structure to 
> look for vulnerabilities (at least... that's the theory).
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a TiddlyWiki Tiddler Outlook extension.

[mauloop]

Don't know if this could help. There is an open source app, based on 
Tiddlywiki Classic, that integrates into Outlook: 
http://www.jello-dashboard.net/.
 
I also tried to use TW5 empty.html as an Outlook folder homepage. It worked 
fine and saved changes. To make it able to interact with Outlook 
environment as Jello does, Outlook API knowledge is required. I don't have 
such, so I stopped my experiments.

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