date:20191205

Tony
 There is a class in Shiraz called w-100
If you pass it to tblClass then the table occupy the whole 100% width of 
tiddler.

Hope this help

--Mohammad

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 10:50:45 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad
>
> Using html I often set the table style to width: 100%;
>
> it expands to fit the tiddler.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Taking Node Server to the next level

2019-12-05 Thread bimlas

There are two things that I think can be used for online storage:

On the one hand, the GitHub saver could be upgraded to save the tiddlers 
one at a time using the datafolder format instead of a large HTML (so you 
wouldn't have to wait minutes to save, just wait for one tiddler to save, 
like the Node server) work). This way, the wiki would be completely online, 
because when we save the changes, there would always be a commit that 
triggers the HTML wiki generation, so we could open it and modify it on 
GitHub without ever having to store it on our own machine.

My other idea is that Disqus, or a similar messaging system, can be used to 
store the tiddlers that we could access through the API.

For the time being, these are just ideas, but I will write them down to 
remember them and to give others ideas to complement.

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin 2.0.0 beta 10: Dynamic Tables

2019-12-05 Thread TonyM

Mohammad

Using html I often set the table style to width: 100%;

it expands to fit the tiddler.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Getting from a non-linear notebook to something a little more linear

Terminology of trail and slider plugin can be found here

https://kookma.github.io/slider/#Slider%20Plugin%20Terminology


You can set story view to Zoomin right from page control buttons on the 
side bar.


Good luck
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[tw5] Re: Getting from a non-linear notebook to something a little more linear

Hi Cade,
 I have encountered the same problem before. There is a plugin help you 
very much in this case and answer part of your questions

The slider plugin creates a trails and a trail is a linear set of tiddlers 
start from a page 1 and ends to page n
Have a look at https://kookma.github.io/slider/


   - It has page number 
   - Shows total number in a trail (like a chapter), so you know where you 
   are
   - It has a footnote to show what is the chapter name (trail name) and 
   can include logo or more information
   - It has next | previous buttons to let navigate to next | previous pages
   - It has a popup window appear on mouse hover on footnote ribbon to show 
   the table of content on each page


You can have many trails (chapters) and open one at a time.

I may recommend to hide the Open tab from side bar and use Zoomin story 
view.

I think this will address many of the issues you mention above!

There is one more improvement you may need which is recently brought by 
PMario, highlighting the title entry in table of content which is open and 
under focus in story river.


Best
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: SimpleNavigation

Not sure if this would be of help, it involves tags & fields but what I use 
to backtrack a tiddlers' parent & grandparent and make a tree view of them

<$list filter="[all[current]tags[]has[categorytype]]">
<$link><$view field=title/> - <$view field=categorytype/>
<$list filter="[all[current]tags[]has[categorytype]]">
<$link><$view field=title/> - <$view field=categorytype/>
<$list filter="[all[current]tags[]has[categorytype]]">
<$link><$view field=title/> - <$view field=categorytype/>




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[tw5] Re: A client-side datafolder - Working Prototype

2019-12-05 Thread TonyM

Arlen

Thanks for experimenting and innovating. Unfortunatly you have used some 
terminology that was common in the past such as bags and recipes. 

A short dummies guide in plain English would help us dummies understand more 
without having to go looking for definitions. Or perhaps you can reference some 
doco on these. 

If armed I can contribute more.

Thanks
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

Disabling etag has made a major improvement in performance.

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 5:34:11 PM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> In this case the etag, while basically the same idea, is handled by the 
> browser-side TiddlyWiki and is stored in the pages JavaScript, so it isn't 
> affected by the cache. This problem is usually server-side or disk-side -- 
> its rarely related to the browser. 
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> After speed-reading wikipedia, it seems to me that if the browser's cache 
>> doesn't update correctly, it might hang on to a 6 hour old etag value. I've 
>> noticed firefox doing this in other capacities. For instance, after 
>> reloading a list of my current reading, items that were previously 
>> unchecked will still show. I will have to load the page a second time in 
>> order to display the correct values.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I need an explainer about what an "etag" is. There are etags in 
>>> the vim editor, but I don't think you mean the same thing.
>>>
>>> Just to repeat. Between one save and a second attempted save was more 
>>> like 6 minutes, not 6 hours. But I don't understand what the etag is and 
>>> how it gets set.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:55:52 PM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 You can disable etag checking completely if you want. If you can 
 include some more examples from the log file that would be great as well. 

 The relevant log file info here shows the two values, ifmatch being the 
 browser copy. The last number is the modified timestamp in milliseconds, 
 which as you can see in this case are 6 hours apart. If you google 
 "epoch converter" you can paste that into "1970 Epoch in Milliseconds" 
 converter to get the date. The third line (and similar lines in more 
 serious scenarios) are debug lines where TiddlyServer points out which 
 parts are different and caused the etag to fail. 

 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-*1575414313000*"
 412 etag "0-5124547-*1575434388000*"
 *412 caused by difference in modified*
 [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1 
 /TW2014/T
 o.html   42.922 ms - -

 The docs for the putsaver.etag setting is here: 
 https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#etag-string 

 The section docs 
 https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#section-putsaver
  has 
 an example snippet. 

 Alternatively, you can set etagAge (which is seconds, default of 3) to 
 a ridiculously high number (like 2 hours) so it only checks the size and 
 not the timestamp. But remember that the etag is gotten when the file is 
 loaded, so even if it sits in your browser for six hours, it will still be 
 the same if the file has not been modified on disk since then. There are 
 various reasons why this could happen, which is why I added the etagAge 
 setting. Another user had the same problem and we thought it seemed like 
 the antivirus was changing the modified timestamp on certain drives for 
 some reason. 

 Hope that helps.
 Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:07 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Unless my computer has discovered time travel, there is no way the 
> file on disk is 6 hours newer.
>
> I load.
> I save once.
> I do things in the TW
> I save again ... and get the error.
>
> So unless the file was saved with a timestamp 6 hours in the future, 
> it should be several minutes *older* than the browser version at the time 
> of the save.
>
> I'm using 5.1.21
>
> I'm wondering why it checks the time at all. Unless I do something 
> crazy like manually copy a different version to the directory, the 
> browser 
> version should be "king".
>
> Perhaps checking the date slows things down. It's noticeably slower 
> saving a single-file wiki with TS than with BobSaver or file-backups.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the 
>> copy the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of 
>> TiddlyServer 
>> much so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed 
>> since 
>> I made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was 
>> changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to 
>> set 
>> the window within which to

[tw5] Re: A client-side datafolder - Working Prototype

What is the advantage over regular data folders? Or is it just an interim 
step on the way to something else?

Thanks!

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:43:13 PM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I have a working prototype for the client-side data folders. The reason I 
> call them client-side is because they are stored on disk exactly as they 
> appear on the client, and are deserialized directly from disk when 
> requested. 
>
> The client tiddlers are lazy loaded, which TiddlyWiki has supported for 
> several years. The browser side of things literally worked "out of the 
> box", but the server-side took quite a bit of thought and structure to work 
> out the details. 
>
> I've also decided to bring back more of the TiddlyWeb protocol, although I 
> don't know how far I will go with it yet. So the server side supports 
> multiple bags and recipes but the details are not finalized yet. 
>
> It's really simple to test and it should just work. Just download the repo 
> at 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TW5-storage-plugin/tree/7ef9625eb796e115282b15180262f6a2c6d9cc19
>  and 
> follow the instructions in the readme. 
>
> I expect to add more features later once I hear from you all what your 
> thoughts are. 
>
> Arlen
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

In this case the etag, while basically the same idea, is handled by the
browser-side TiddlyWiki and is stored in the pages JavaScript, so it isn't
affected by the cache. This problem is usually server-side or disk-side --
its rarely related to the browser.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> After speed-reading wikipedia, it seems to me that if the browser's cache
> doesn't update correctly, it might hang on to a 6 hour old etag value. I've
> noticed firefox doing this in other capacities. For instance, after
> reloading a list of my current reading, items that were previously
> unchecked will still show. I will have to load the page a second time in
> order to display the correct values.
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I think I need an explainer about what an "etag" is. There are etags in
>> the vim editor, but I don't think you mean the same thing.
>>
>> Just to repeat. Between one save and a second attempted save was more
>> like 6 minutes, not 6 hours. But I don't understand what the etag is and
>> how it gets set.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:55:52 PM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> You can disable etag checking completely if you want. If you can include
>>> some more examples from the log file that would be great as well.
>>>
>>> The relevant log file info here shows the two values, ifmatch being the
>>> browser copy. The last number is the modified timestamp in milliseconds,
>>> which as you can see in this case are 6 hours apart. If you google
>>> "epoch converter" you can paste that into "1970 Epoch in Milliseconds"
>>> converter to get the date. The third line (and similar lines in more
>>> serious scenarios) are debug lines where TiddlyServer points out which
>>> parts are different and caused the etag to fail.
>>>
>>> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-*1575414313000*"
>>> 412 etag "0-5124547-*1575434388000*"
>>> *412 caused by difference in modified*
>>> [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1
>>> /TW2014/T
>>> o.html   42.922 ms - -
>>>
>>> The docs for the putsaver.etag setting is here:
>>> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#etag-string
>>> 
>>>
>>> The section docs
>>> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#section-putsaver
>>>  has
>>> an example snippet.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, you can set etagAge (which is seconds, default of 3) to a
>>> ridiculously high number (like 2 hours) so it only checks the size and not
>>> the timestamp. But remember that the etag is gotten when the file is
>>> loaded, so even if it sits in your browser for six hours, it will still be
>>> the same if the file has not been modified on disk since then. There are
>>> various reasons why this could happen, which is why I added the etagAge
>>> setting. Another user had the same problem and we thought it seemed like
>>> the antivirus was changing the modified timestamp on certain drives for
>>> some reason.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> Arlen
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:07 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Unless my computer has discovered time travel, there is no way the file
 on disk is 6 hours newer.

 I load.
 I save once.
 I do things in the TW
 I save again ... and get the error.

 So unless the file was saved with a timestamp 6 hours in the future, it
 should be several minutes *older* than the browser version at the time of
 the save.

 I'm using 5.1.21

 I'm wondering why it checks the time at all. Unless I do something
 crazy like manually copy a different version to the directory, the browser
 version should be "king".

 Perhaps checking the date slows things down. It's noticeably slower
 saving a single-file wiki with TS than with BobSaver or file-backups.

 Thanks!

 On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the
> copy the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of TiddlyServer
> much so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed 
> since
> I made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was
> changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to set
> the window within which to ignore it. I will check the code to make sure
> everything looks good on my end. What version of TiddlyWiki is the file?
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I get "changed on server" messages regularly.  Often on the

[tw5] Re: SimpleNavigation

2019-12-05 Thread Magnus

I manage to cycle through only those with the same parent, now I'm trying 
to double-sort them, sort on relation, grandchildren first children last, 
and sort them after name, caption or whatever last. Kinda works but there 
isn't a next button on the last child-tiddler to first grand-child. It does 
work in the grand-child-tiddlers, the next and previous button are there 
and jumps to the right tiddler. 
I think it's still my filtering that's not working quite right

Den fredag 6 december 2019 kl. 02:00:36 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>
> Magnus
>
> Thanks for the help, suspected it had to do with the filter. Think I made 
>> it work, there is only one sorting problem left :)
>>
>
> Cool, whats the sorting problem? 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

Yes, user-relative paths use the NodeJS os module to get the user's home
directory. All other paths use NodeJS path.resolve, with the absolute path
to the settings.json file as the first argument, which means that if NodeJS
path module thinks a path is not absolute, it will use settings.json as the
source for the relative path.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:23 PM Mohammad  wrote:

> Hi Arlen,
>
> More feedback
>
> I understood that we can keep TiddlyServer2.1 in separate folder from
> setting.json. So I think the below description may be helpful for new users
>
> --On Windows 10
>
>
>- After testing TiddlyServer one can have a setting directory to keep
>*setting.json*
>- The setting folder (directory) can be placed any where like
>"C:\Users\Mohammad\Documents" (Mohammad can be another name for other user)
>- In the setting directory one can have a batch file to start the
>server like *startServer.cmd* as below
>
> REM TiddlyServer 2.1
>
> node D:\TiddlyServer-2.1\server.js settings.json
>
>
>- Other folder can be in the parent folder of setting directory
>
> Example:
>  If the setting.json is locted under C:\TW\TiddlyServer2.1 then
>
> -- C:
>  TW
> -- TiddlyServer
> -- *setting.js*
> ---*startServer.cmd*
> -- Personal
> ---Working
> ---Sandbox
> ---backups
>
> This is while TiddlerServer itself is located in C:\Program
> Files\TiddlyServer2.1
> Dont forget backups which is used to backup single file wikis
>
> One question:
>
> I see Tiddlyserver knows path like ~\Desktop? Does it also recognize
> absolute path?
>
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 11:30:43 PM UTC+3:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to
>> solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the
>> folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped together
>> and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual
>> directories or "groups"). When a data folder is accessed, TiddlyServer
>> automatically fires up a node instance of the TiddlyWiki listen command and
>> mounts it at that path, meaning it forwards all requests to the data folder
>> Node server instance. This makes it work identical to the TiddlyWiki listen
>> command for most normal uses of the listen command, except you can access
>> multiple data folders on the same server. Single file wikis (TW 5.1.15 and
>> newer) have a saver already built into them which TiddlyServer uses to save
>> single file wikis. Single file wikis can be backed up automatically on
>> every save, but data folders are on their own by design. I recommend
>> using Git or Dropbox for that.
>>
>> There are a bunch of advanced options and even authentication, but the
>> basics are enough for most people.
>>
>> It's pretty simple to use but I often notice people having trouble
>> getting it installed, so I thought I'd throw in some install instructions I
>> wrote some time ago.
>>
>> It's fine to just use master (well, aka v2.1 right now) right now:
>> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer -- Click the green "Clone or
>> Download" button then select your preferred download method. Cloning the
>> repo is an easy way to get updates but downloading is fine too.
>>
>> Extract it to an empty folder so you don't risk merging with an existing
>> folder. Once you extract it you can move it wherever you want it to be.
>>
>> https://nodejs.org/en/
>>
>> Go to NodeJS.org and download the LTS version of Node, which currently is
>> 10.x, and install it on the computer you will be running TiddlyServer on.
>> It's pretty straightforward, and the default options should work fine.
>>
>> You don't actually need to install the whole thing, you can also just
>> download a zip file and extract node.exe into the TiddlyServer folder to
>> make a portable install. Since you're working with IIS I'm sure you have
>> enough computer experience know what I'm talking about, but if I'm not
>> making myself clear, just install NodeJS like I described above.
>>
>> Now, here's the part that most people find tricky. Copy
>> example-settings-quick.json and name it settings.json. That's the simplest
>> setup. You can change the tree property to change what folders get served,
>> but all html files and data folders inside it should just work out of the
>> box.
>>
>> The entire documentation for the settings.json file is at
>> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html and the
>> tree property is the first item on the page. Here's a really simple example
>> to get you started.
>>
>> "tree": {
>> "myfolder": "../personal",
>> "workstuff": "../work",
>> "user": "~/Desktop/random",
>> "projects_group": {
>> "tiddlyserver": "~/Desktop/Github/TiddlyServer",
>> "material-theme": "~/Dropbox/Material Theme"
>> }
>> }
>>
>>
>> And that's all there is to it. Once you have your settings.json file
>> setup, just run "node server.js" to start

[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

hwllo TT

Have you seen this plugin that outputs MathML?

Haven't seen it-- MathML is kinda down some on my list of many things to 
try-- busy with x3d (vrml) atm-- many thanks for pointing it out, the info 
is now in a "to check out" tiddler in my testbed TW

tonight I may be ready to put up the first of many screenshots of what I've 
been up to-- although a navigatable 3d scene tiddler won't be one of them 
yet

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[tw5] Re: A client-side datafolder - Working Prototype

Will this work for single file TW/local drive or is it node.js?

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[tw5] Re: SimpleNavigation

Magnus

Thanks for the help, suspected it had to do with the filter. Think I made 
> it work, there is only one sorting problem left :)
>

Cool, whats the sorting problem? 

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[tw5] Re: SimpleNavigation

2019-12-05 Thread Magnus

Thanks for the help, suspected it had to do with the filter. Think I made 
it work, there is only one sorting problem left :)

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[tw5] Getting from a non-linear notebook to something a little more linear

2019-12-05 Thread Cade Roux

I've been using TW since August as a documentation target for the metadata
and manual for our data mart of cardiovascular information and we are
starting to get feedback from internal users and we are soon going to be
sending it out to customers to get feedback on both the documentation and
the data mart capabilities.

I'm very happy with how it is going. It's an integral part of our build
process that produces the documentation and it's been really good to be
able to combine very easily generated tiddlers of lists of content along
with narratives that are created by the informatics staff.

Users are very used to a linear document like a PDF or Word, but the
TiddlyWiki is winning out the dev team with the powerful abilities to
transclude information helping remove the artificial lines between what is
template and what is manually written content and generated content. This
flexibility has really saved a lot of cycles in developing the document's
"framework" and editing.

One of the feedback items that I did expect from the beginning is the
issues surrounding the non-linear nature of TW. For many users, it's kind
of scary, because like all hypertext system you don't know how much
material is underneath when you don't have a table of contents and a page
number to know where you are. And a lot of these users are medical
informaticists, so high proportion of OCD - and things moving around is
disorienting to them.

What we would like to do to give some comfort to the people that are in
that mindset is to have a subset of our tiddlers that is identified as the
"default content" of N tiddlers in a particular order that would:

1. The default content would open at the start (already a feature of TW - I
have this working as expected)

2. If tiddlers are closed and re-opened, that they show up in the same
place in the order - this is something I am struggling to figure out how to
get a closed tiddler to re-appear back in its place.

3. Have a default content button that restores all the tiddlers - I have a
button that will open them - it's based on a macro I found - it opens them
in reverse order so that the order at the end looks like the original
order, but if the tiddler is already open, it does not get back in the
right spot. I could just close all open tiddlers at the start of the
macro, and then it would just be like a reset.

If you have any ideas how to approach a slight linearization to ease
beginners into using our TW, particularly with item 2 in trying to keep the
ordering, I would be grateful.

Thanks,

Cade

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[tw5] Re: A client-side datafolder - Working Prototype

Hi Alan,
 Tested on 


   - Windows 10 
   - Chrome 78 
   - TW 5.1.22pre

Works fine!

I tried to install a plugin by drag and drop! I got the red window Internal 
JavaScript Error.

--Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

After speed-reading wikipedia, it seems to me that if the browser's cache 
doesn't update correctly, it might hang on to a 6 hour old etag value. I've 
noticed firefox doing this in other capacities. For instance, after 
reloading a list of my current reading, items that were previously 
unchecked will still show. I will have to load the page a second time in 
order to display the correct values.

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think I need an explainer about what an "etag" is. There are etags in 
> the vim editor, but I don't think you mean the same thing.
>
> Just to repeat. Between one save and a second attempted save was more like 
> 6 minutes, not 6 hours. But I don't understand what the etag is and how it 
> gets set.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:55:52 PM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> You can disable etag checking completely if you want. If you can include 
>> some more examples from the log file that would be great as well. 
>>
>> The relevant log file info here shows the two values, ifmatch being the 
>> browser copy. The last number is the modified timestamp in milliseconds, 
>> which as you can see in this case are 6 hours apart. If you google 
>> "epoch converter" you can paste that into "1970 Epoch in Milliseconds" 
>> converter to get the date. The third line (and similar lines in more 
>> serious scenarios) are debug lines where TiddlyServer points out which 
>> parts are different and caused the etag to fail. 
>>
>> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-*1575414313000*"
>> 412 etag "0-5124547-*1575434388000*"
>> *412 caused by difference in modified*
>> [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1 
>> /TW2014/T
>> o.html   42.922 ms - -
>>
>> The docs for the putsaver.etag setting is here: 
>> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#etag-string 
>> 
>>
>> The section docs 
>> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#section-putsaver
>>  has 
>> an example snippet. 
>>
>> Alternatively, you can set etagAge (which is seconds, default of 3) to a 
>> ridiculously high number (like 2 hours) so it only checks the size and not 
>> the timestamp. But remember that the etag is gotten when the file is 
>> loaded, so even if it sits in your browser for six hours, it will still be 
>> the same if the file has not been modified on disk since then. There are 
>> various reasons why this could happen, which is why I added the etagAge 
>> setting. Another user had the same problem and we thought it seemed like 
>> the antivirus was changing the modified timestamp on certain drives for 
>> some reason. 
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> Arlen
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:07 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless my computer has discovered time travel, there is no way the file 
>>> on disk is 6 hours newer.
>>>
>>> I load.
>>> I save once.
>>> I do things in the TW
>>> I save again ... and get the error.
>>>
>>> So unless the file was saved with a timestamp 6 hours in the future, it 
>>> should be several minutes *older* than the browser version at the time of 
>>> the save.
>>>
>>> I'm using 5.1.21
>>>
>>> I'm wondering why it checks the time at all. Unless I do something crazy 
>>> like manually copy a different version to the directory, the browser 
>>> version should be "king".
>>>
>>> Perhaps checking the date slows things down. It's noticeably slower 
>>> saving a single-file wiki with TS than with BobSaver or file-backups.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the 
 copy the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of TiddlyServer 
 much so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed 
 since 
 I made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was 
 changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to set 
 the window within which to ignore it. I will check the code to make sure 
 everything looks good on my end. What version of TiddlyWiki is the file?

 On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I get "changed on server" messages regularly.  Often on the second 
> time I attempt to save. Talking single files.
> This didn't happen with the old (1.??) version. It's made it pretty 
> hard to use, since every time it happens I
> have to do a "rescue" of the changed tiddlers. If it just ignored the 
> non-existent changes on disk and saved
> it would be fine. Output below.
>
> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-1575414313000"
> 412 etag

Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

Hi Arlen,

More feedback

I understood that we can keep TiddlyServer2.1 in separate folder from 
setting.json. So I think the below description may be helpful for new users

--On Windows 10


   - After testing TiddlyServer one can have a setting directory to keep 
   *setting.json*
   - The setting folder (directory) can be placed any where like 
   "C:\Users\Mohammad\Documents" (Mohammad can be another name for other user)
   - In the setting directory one can have a batch file to start the server 
   like *startServer.cmd* as below

REM TiddlyServer 2.1

node D:\TiddlyServer-2.1\server.js settings.json


   - Other folder can be in the parent folder of setting directory

Example:
 If the setting.json is locted under C:\TW\TiddlyServer2.1 then

-- C:
 TW
-- TiddlyServer
-- *setting.js*
---*startServer.cmd*
-- Personal
---Working
---Sandbox
---backups

This is while TiddlerServer itself is located in C:\Program 
Files\TiddlyServer2.1
Dont forget backups which is used to backup single file wikis

One question:

I see Tiddlyserver knows path like ~\Desktop? Does it also recognize 
absolute path?


--Mohammad



On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 11:30:43 PM UTC+3:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to 
> solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the 
> folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped together 
> and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual 
> directories or "groups"). When a data folder is accessed, TiddlyServer 
> automatically fires up a node instance of the TiddlyWiki listen command and 
> mounts it at that path, meaning it forwards all requests to the data folder 
> Node server instance. This makes it work identical to the TiddlyWiki listen 
> command for most normal uses of the listen command, except you can access 
> multiple data folders on the same server. Single file wikis (TW 5.1.15 and 
> newer) have a saver already built into them which TiddlyServer uses to save 
> single file wikis. Single file wikis can be backed up automatically on 
> every save, but data folders are on their own by design. I recommend 
> using Git or Dropbox for that. 
>
> There are a bunch of advanced options and even authentication, but the 
> basics are enough for most people. 
>
> It's pretty simple to use but I often notice people having trouble getting 
> it installed, so I thought I'd throw in some install instructions I wrote 
> some time ago. 
>
> It's fine to just use master (well, aka v2.1 right now) right now: 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer -- Click the green "Clone or 
> Download" button then select your preferred download method. Cloning the 
> repo is an easy way to get updates but downloading is fine too. 
>
> Extract it to an empty folder so you don't risk merging with an existing 
> folder. Once you extract it you can move it wherever you want it to be. 
>
> https://nodejs.org/en/
>
> Go to NodeJS.org and download the LTS version of Node, which currently is 
> 10.x, and install it on the computer you will be running TiddlyServer on. 
> It's pretty straightforward, and the default options should work fine. 
>
> You don't actually need to install the whole thing, you can also just 
> download a zip file and extract node.exe into the TiddlyServer folder to 
> make a portable install. Since you're working with IIS I'm sure you have 
> enough computer experience know what I'm talking about, but if I'm not 
> making myself clear, just install NodeJS like I described above. 
>
> Now, here's the part that most people find tricky. Copy 
> example-settings-quick.json and name it settings.json. That's the simplest 
> setup. You can change the tree property to change what folders get served, 
> but all html files and data folders inside it should just work out of the 
> box. 
>
> The entire documentation for the settings.json file is at 
> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html and the 
> tree property is the first item on the page. Here's a really simple example 
> to get you started. 
>
> "tree": {
> "myfolder": "../personal",
> "workstuff": "../work",
> "user": "~/Desktop/random",
> "projects_group": {
> "tiddlyserver": "~/Desktop/Github/TiddlyServer",
> "material-theme": "~/Dropbox/Material Theme"
> }
> }
>
>
> And that's all there is to it. Once you have your settings.json file 
> setup, just run "node server.js" to start the server. TiddlyServer expects 
> to find the settings.json file in the same directory (which is where I have 
> mine, which is why it's in .gitignore!).
>
> I made TiddlyServer simple because I want it to be simple for me to use 
> every day :) 
>
> Hope that helps 
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:02 AM Victor Dorneanu  > wrote:
>
>> Hi TT,
>>
>> it's not really related to Github. I just use to store/backup my 
>> tiddlers. The backend storage is actually quite irrelevant. I just

Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

I think I need an explainer about what an "etag" is. There are etags in the 
vim editor, but I don't think you mean the same thing.

Just to repeat. Between one save and a second attempted save was more like 
6 minutes, not 6 hours. But I don't understand what the etag is and how it 
gets set.

Thanks!

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:55:52 PM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> You can disable etag checking completely if you want. If you can include 
> some more examples from the log file that would be great as well. 
>
> The relevant log file info here shows the two values, ifmatch being the 
> browser copy. The last number is the modified timestamp in milliseconds, 
> which as you can see in this case are 6 hours apart. If you google 
> "epoch converter" you can paste that into "1970 Epoch in Milliseconds" 
> converter to get the date. The third line (and similar lines in more 
> serious scenarios) are debug lines where TiddlyServer points out which 
> parts are different and caused the etag to fail. 
>
> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-*1575414313000*"
> 412 etag "0-5124547-*1575434388000*"
> *412 caused by difference in modified*
> [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1 
> /TW2014/T
> o.html   42.922 ms - -
>
> The docs for the putsaver.etag setting is here: 
> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#etag-string 
> 
>
> The section docs 
> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#section-putsaver
>  has 
> an example snippet. 
>
> Alternatively, you can set etagAge (which is seconds, default of 3) to a 
> ridiculously high number (like 2 hours) so it only checks the size and not 
> the timestamp. But remember that the etag is gotten when the file is 
> loaded, so even if it sits in your browser for six hours, it will still be 
> the same if the file has not been modified on disk since then. There are 
> various reasons why this could happen, which is why I added the etagAge 
> setting. Another user had the same problem and we thought it seemed like 
> the antivirus was changing the modified timestamp on certain drives for 
> some reason. 
>
> Hope that helps.
> Arlen
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:07 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Unless my computer has discovered time travel, there is no way the file 
>> on disk is 6 hours newer.
>>
>> I load.
>> I save once.
>> I do things in the TW
>> I save again ... and get the error.
>>
>> So unless the file was saved with a timestamp 6 hours in the future, it 
>> should be several minutes *older* than the browser version at the time of 
>> the save.
>>
>> I'm using 5.1.21
>>
>> I'm wondering why it checks the time at all. Unless I do something crazy 
>> like manually copy a different version to the directory, the browser 
>> version should be "king".
>>
>> Perhaps checking the date slows things down. It's noticeably slower 
>> saving a single-file wiki with TS than with BobSaver or file-backups.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the copy 
>>> the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of TiddlyServer much 
>>> so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed since I 
>>> made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was 
>>> changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to set 
>>> the window within which to ignore it. I will check the code to make sure 
>>> everything looks good on my end. What version of TiddlyWiki is the file?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I get "changed on server" messages regularly.  Often on the second time 
 I attempt to save. Talking single files.
 This didn't happen with the old (1.??) version. It's made it pretty 
 hard to use, since every time it happens I
 have to do a "rescue" of the changed tiddlers. If it just ignored the 
 non-existent changes on disk and saved
 it would be fine. Output below.

 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-1575414313000"
 412 etag "0-5124547-1575434388000"
 412 caused by difference in modified
 [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1 
 /TW2014/T
 o.html   42.922 ms - -

 Thanks!

 Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to 
> solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the 
> folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped 
> together 
> and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual 
> directories

Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

You can disable etag checking completely if you want. If you can include
some more examples from the log file that would be great as well.

The relevant log file info here shows the two values, ifmatch being the
browser copy. The last number is the modified timestamp in milliseconds,
which as you can see in this case are 6 hours apart. If you google
"epoch converter" you can paste that into "1970 Epoch in Milliseconds"
converter to get the date. The third line (and similar lines in more
serious scenarios) are debug lines where TiddlyServer points out which
parts are different and caused the etag to fail.

412 ifmatch "0-5124547-*1575414313000*"
412 etag "0-5124547-*1575434388000*"
*412 caused by difference in modified*
[2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1
/TW2014/T
o.html   42.922 ms - -

The docs for the putsaver.etag setting is here:
https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#etag-string

The section docs
https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html#section-putsaver
has
an example snippet.

Alternatively, you can set etagAge (which is seconds, default of 3) to a
ridiculously high number (like 2 hours) so it only checks the size and not
the timestamp. But remember that the etag is gotten when the file is
loaded, so even if it sits in your browser for six hours, it will still be
the same if the file has not been modified on disk since then. There are
various reasons why this could happen, which is why I added the etagAge
setting. Another user had the same problem and we thought it seemed like
the antivirus was changing the modified timestamp on certain drives for
some reason.

Hope that helps.
Arlen

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:07 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Unless my computer has discovered time travel, there is no way the file on
> disk is 6 hours newer.
>
> I load.
> I save once.
> I do things in the TW
> I save again ... and get the error.
>
> So unless the file was saved with a timestamp 6 hours in the future, it
> should be several minutes *older* than the browser version at the time of
> the save.
>
> I'm using 5.1.21
>
> I'm wondering why it checks the time at all. Unless I do something crazy
> like manually copy a different version to the directory, the browser
> version should be "king".
>
> Perhaps checking the date slows things down. It's noticeably slower saving
> a single-file wiki with TS than with BobSaver or file-backups.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the copy
>> the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of TiddlyServer much
>> so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed since I
>> made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was
>> changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to set
>> the window within which to ignore it. I will check the code to make sure
>> everything looks good on my end. What version of TiddlyWiki is the file?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I get "changed on server" messages regularly.  Often on the second time
>>> I attempt to save. Talking single files.
>>> This didn't happen with the old (1.??) version. It's made it pretty hard
>>> to use, since every time it happens I
>>> have to do a "rescue" of the changed tiddlers. If it just ignored the
>>> non-existent changes on disk and saved
>>> it would be fine. Output below.
>>>
>>> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-1575414313000"
>>> 412 etag "0-5124547-1575434388000"
>>> 412 caused by difference in modified
>>> [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1
>>> /TW2014/T
>>> o.html   42.922 ms - -
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to
 solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the
 folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped together
 and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual
 directories or "groups"). When a data folder is accessed, TiddlyServer
 automatically fires up a node instance of the TiddlyWiki

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[tw5] A client-side datafolder - Working Prototype

I have a working prototype for the client-side data folders. The reason I
call them client-side is because they are stored on disk exactly as they
appear on the client, and are deserialized directly from disk when
requested.

The client tiddlers are lazy loaded, which TiddlyWiki has supported for
several years. The browser side of things literally worked "out of the
box", but the server-side took quite a bit of thought and structure to work
out the details.

I've also decided to bring back more of the TiddlyWeb protocol, although I
don't know how far I will go with it yet. So the server side supports
multiple bags and recipes but the details are not finalized yet.

It's really simple to test and it should just work. Just download the repo
at
https://github.com/Arlen22/TW5-storage-plugin/tree/7ef9625eb796e115282b15180262f6a2c6d9cc19
and
follow the instructions in the readme.

I expect to add more features later once I hear from you all what your
thoughts are.

Arlen

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

Hi Alan,
TiddlyTables is quite powerful now but it needs more documentation and 
example to simply be learned by new users.
Yes, the *focus loses* needs to be investigated and the best solution 
introduced!

I hope other users give their feedback!

--Mohammad

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 9:54:24 PM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
> I experimented with the concept you used in your wiki, disabling editing 
> of columns that are sorted. I understand the issue you speak of. Another 
> similar issue occurs when editing a table that is sorted by modified date. 
> The sorting jumps around and causes the field being edited to lose focus. I 
> am still looking for a solution that will handle all scenarios of this 
> issue. more to come. 
> Take care,
> Alan
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 2:51:13 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>  These are great enhancements:
>>
>>- supporting data tiddlers
>>- edit/read mode with toggle button
>>
>>
>> Just a commend
>> Editing a cell in a column used to sort table may loose focuses specially 
>> when the edited cell move up/down based on the new value
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 11:10:46 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I have updated http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/ with the latest 
>>> release of TiddlyTables. Version 0.6.15 includes many enhancements. Here 
>>> are some of the big ones:
>>>
>>>- Added Support for Data Tiddlers
>>>- Global default for edit mode
>>>- Toggle button for edit mode
>>>- Tooltips
>>>- New edit template
>>>- Style/theme improvements
>>>- Minor UI improvements and Bugfixes
>>>
>>> Many thanks Mohammad! The example you shared and some of your comments 
>>> inspired most of these updates.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:19:50 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:

 Alan

 On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> I would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there 
> are some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
> TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is 
> the 
> 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use 
> cases, 
> documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
> feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.
>
> I think this needs to discuss different part of the code here to get 
 more feedback! TiddlyTables has hundreds line of code!
 Your tiddler approach in developing TiddlyTables is very interesting! 

 --Mohammad

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Inclusion of Whole MP3 Files

2019-12-05 Thread Qalisto

We thank Luis for this thorough explanation!
...

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 12:07:32 PM UTC, Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I don't like to include big files inside the Tiddlywiki, so I create a 
> directory for all mp3 tracks. Then you have many ways of create the 
> tiddlers. I add an example.
>
> Unzip empty.zip and open empty.html:
>
>
>

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[tw5] Browser Usage: How to Measure to the TW5 Itself / Increase RAM?

2019-12-05 Thread Qalisto

TonyM's recent (and appreciated) answer about MP3 provokes a question for 
we going the Browser route.

It begs the question for this noob as to: for the major browers, how does 
one calculate, on the Win10 platform, how much mem is being consumed by a 
TW5 file?

In Win 'Task Manager' we can see e.g. Firefox and many sub-PIDs, but I am 
not aware of how to map a PID to a specific 'instance' of website or TW5.

Is this possible?

And ... again for Firefox, is it possible to increase RAM available if 
one's TW begins to get ... obese?

Please kindly advise.

=== > Q < ===

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Date: Changing Format

2019-12-05 Thread Qalisto

We are lucky to have a living community here ... and wizards like Eric 
walking in our midst.

=== > Q < ===

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:05:52 AM UTC, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 12:47:13 AM UTC-8, Qalisto wrote:
>>
>> I seem to be unable to find the tutorial or info on how to change the 
>> date format of a newly created Tiddler.
>> (The date under the Title) The default gives me: "*4th December 2019 at 
>> 8:40am*"
>> I want: "*2019 12 04  0840 [UTC]*"
>>
>
> In $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle, you will find:
> <$view field="modified" format="date" 
> template={{$:/language/Tiddler/DateFormat}}/>
>
> In $:/language/Tiddler/DateFormat, it says:
> DDth MMM  at hh12:0mmam
>
> You can change this to:
> [UTC] 0MM 0DD 0hh0mm [UTC]
>
> Note that the first "[UTC]" is a date formatting code that "time shifts" 
> from local time to UTC, while the second "[UTC]" is simply literal 
> character output.
>
> see https://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat for all the possible date 
> formatting codes
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

2019-12-05 Thread Alan Aldrich

Hi Mohammad,
I experimented with the concept you used in your wiki, disabling editing of 
columns that are sorted. I understand the issue you speak of. Another 
similar issue occurs when editing a table that is sorted by modified date. 
The sorting jumps around and causes the field being edited to lose focus. I 
am still looking for a solution that will handle all scenarios of this 
issue. more to come. 
Take care,
Alan

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 2:51:13 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>  These are great enhancements:
>
>- supporting data tiddlers
>- edit/read mode with toggle button
>
>
> Just a commend
> Editing a cell in a column used to sort table may loose focuses specially 
> when the edited cell move up/down based on the new value
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 11:10:46 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I have updated http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/ with the latest 
>> release of TiddlyTables. Version 0.6.15 includes many enhancements. Here 
>> are some of the big ones:
>>
>>- Added Support for Data Tiddlers
>>- Global default for edit mode
>>- Toggle button for edit mode
>>- Tooltips
>>- New edit template
>>- Style/theme improvements
>>- Minor UI improvements and Bugfixes
>>
>> Many thanks Mohammad! The example you shared and some of your comments 
>> inspired most of these updates.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:19:50 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:

 I would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there 
 are some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
 TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is the 
 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use 
 cases, 
 documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
 feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.

 I think this needs to discuss different part of the code here to get 
>>> more feedback! TiddlyTables has hundreds line of code!
>>> Your tiddler approach in developing TiddlyTables is very interesting! 
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-12-05 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:46:35 AM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks
>
> Just to let you all know I will unpin this conversation soon after I 
> extract a summary and start a new thread as it is now awfully long.
>

Now that Jeremy has changed the moderation settings for the group, can you 
even unpin the thread?

If not, just let me know when you are ready to unpin it, and I'll do it for 
you.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

2019-12-05 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao tutti

I'm not adverse to someone pinning an announcement for a few days. Like a 
plugin release. I thought Mohammad handled his pins fine.
It's the problem of it being overused just because you can pin, which would 
quickly prevent it being useful by overwhelm. 

There could be be case for a pinned thread on how to find older posts here, 
which is not that easy. I been working on one. 
But that could be looked at and an admin pin it if it proved useful.

Best
TT

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

I see how we star replies. But where do we star a topic?

Thanks!

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:11:44 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:45:56 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
> 
>
>> In an ideal world, everyone could pin their own favorite thread, and it 
>> would be pinned ONLY in their own feed.
>>
>
> That's what "stars" are for. You can star stuff per thread or per reply. I 
> use this mechanism since my first post to this group. 
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

2019-12-05 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:17:02 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Just to add that Google Groups doesn't appear to support a separate 
> permission setting for pinning; as far as I can tell from poking around in 
> the admin settings, anyone with posting permission can pin posts.
>

It might be controlled as part of the "Permissions > Posting Permissions > 
Moderate metadata" setting.

-e

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Re: [tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

2019-12-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Just to add that Google Groups doesn't appear to support a separate permission 
setting for pinning; as far as I can tell from poking around in the admin 
settings, anyone with posting permission can pin posts.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 5 Dec 2019, at 15:14, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow. That is useful. How did I miss that? I think it's just that my 
> expectations were so low ...
> 
> Maybe this should be pinned at the top ;-)
> 
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:11:44 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:45:56 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>> 
>>> In an ideal world, everyone could pin their own favorite thread, and it 
>>> would be pinned ONLY in their own feed.
>> 
>> That's what "stars" are for. You can star stuff per thread or per reply. I 
>> use this mechanism since my first post to this group. 
>> 
>> On the left sidebar in the web-ui there is a "Starred" button, which only 
>> shows my starred threads. 
>> 
>> The "Filter" dropdown provides a filter that let's me search "posts I 
>> started" and "posts I did reply to". 
>> 
>> That's absolutely useful. 
>> 
>> have fun!
>> mario
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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

Wow. That *is* useful. How did I miss that? I think it's just that my 
expectations were so low ...

Maybe this should be pinned at the top ;-)

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:11:44 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:45:56 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
> 
>
>> In an ideal world, everyone could pin their own favorite thread, and it 
>> would be pinned ONLY in their own feed.
>>
>
> That's what "stars" are for. You can star stuff per thread or per reply. I 
> use this mechanism since my first post to this group. 
>
> On the left sidebar in the web-ui there is a "Starred" button, which only 
> shows my starred threads. 
>
> The "Filter" dropdown provides a filter that let's me search "posts I 
> started" and "posts I did reply to". 
>
> That's absolutely useful. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

2019-12-05 Thread PMario

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:45:56 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

> In an ideal world, everyone could pin their own favorite thread, and it 
> would be pinned ONLY in their own feed.
>

That's what "stars" are for. You can star stuff per thread or per reply. I 
use this mechanism since my first post to this group. 

On the left sidebar in the web-ui there is a "Starred" button, which only 
shows my starred threads. 

The "Filter" dropdown provides a filter that let's me search "posts I 
started" and "posts I did reply to". 

That's absolutely useful. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

Re-edited my post. Noticing that another fault with GG is that it doesn't 
provide a strike-out option.

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:06:22 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>
>  Apart from his comment about a supposed ego war, I agree with Mark that 
> the forum would be better off with no pinned items. IMHO, pinned items 
> should only be important announcements by Jeremy Ruston about TiddlyWiki 
> itself.
>

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

2019-12-05 Thread David Gifford

 Apart from his comment about a supposed ego war, I agree with Mark that 
the forum would be better off with no pinned items. IMHO, pinned items 
should only be important announcements by Jeremy Ruston about TiddlyWiki 
itself.

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

You unpinned things? Eight hours ago 4 items were pinned. Now, 3 are. It 
seems you are swimming against the stream ;-)

I think we were better off when things couldn't be pinned by members. Now 
there seems to be an ego war for what goes at the top. Pretty soon we'll 
have an entire page of pinned threads. The pinning doesn't fix the thing 
that is wrong with GG, i.e., how to find important topics.

In an ideal world, everyone could pin their own favorite thread, and it 
would be pinned ONLY in their own feed.

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 2:14:37 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:39:03 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> While that is true to keep important thread pinned and NOT ordinary 
>> questions, but please let
>> people decide on this!
>>
>
> Everyone likes to think that their posts are really important and not just 
> "ordinary questions", and some people seem to pin their posts just to shine 
> more attention on their favorite topics.  However, consider this: if a 
> thread is of sufficient general interest to the wider group audience, it 
> will get new posts on a frequent basis, which will automatically keep it 
> near the top of the message list without any need for it to be pinned.
>
> I have been an administrator of this group for nearly 15 years, and have 
> used my judgement to keep the forum healthy without overly interfering with 
> the activity that occurs naturally.  Pinning a thread used to be an 
> admin-only ability that was used very rarely, and only for extremely 
> important announcements.  Even then, with few exceptions the pins were 
> removed after a short while (at most a week or two), so that the natural 
> time-ordered sequence of posts would prevail.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

2019-12-05 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Gloom

Have you seen this plugin that outputs MathML?

*TW5-TeXZilla plugin*

TiddlyWiki5 plugin for parsing LaTeX into MathML, using the TeXZilla 
javascript parser. 

Based on the official KaTeX plugin. In contrast to KaTeX, TeXZilla supports 
a larger set of LaTeX commands.

GitHub: https://github.com/joerenes/TW5-TeXZilla
Demo: http://tw5-texzilla.tiddlyspot.com/
Released: 2015
Discussion: TW5-TeXZilla plugin: latex to mathml via TeXZilla 

Note: *??Chromium browsers don't yet fully support MathML??*


TT 

On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 06:57:38 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
> Wonders how well TW would implement MathML
>

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[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-12-05 Thread TonyM

Folks

Just to let you all know I will unpin this conversation soon after I extract a 
summary and start a new thread as it is now awfully long.

Thanks so much for all the views and examples. It is amazing what already 
exists and how as a community we are systematic, creative and committed.

Feel free to reply with your view, key issues, gaps or features you think we 
need. I ask this from all levels of tiddlywiki experience because this is about 
the journey not just the destination.

Thank you all
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

Thank you for explanation!

--Mohammad

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 1:44:37 PM UTC+3:30, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:39:03 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> While that is true to keep important thread pinned and NOT ordinary 
>> questions, but please let
>> people decide on this!
>>
>
> Everyone likes to think that their posts are really important and not just 
> "ordinary questions", and some people seem to pin their posts just to shine 
> more attention on their favorite topics.  However, consider this: if a 
> thread is of sufficient general interest to the wider group audience, it 
> will get new posts on a frequent basis, which will automatically keep it 
> near the top of the message list without any need for it to be pinned.
>
> I have been an administrator of this group for nearly 15 years, and have 
> used my judgement to keep the forum healthy without overly interfering with 
> the activity that occurs naturally.  Pinning a thread used to be an 
> admin-only ability that was used very rarely, and only for extremely 
> important announcements.  Even then, with few exceptions the pins were 
> removed after a short while (at most a week or two), so that the natural 
> time-ordered sequence of posts would prevail.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Pin Unpin Posts

2019-12-05 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 12:39:03 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> While that is true to keep important thread pinned and NOT ordinary 
> questions, but please let
> people decide on this!
>

Everyone likes to think that their posts are really important and not just 
"ordinary questions", and some people seem to pin their posts just to shine 
more attention on their favorite topics.  However, consider this: if a 
thread is of sufficient general interest to the wider group audience, it 
will get new posts on a frequent basis, which will automatically keep it 
near the top of the message list without any need for it to be pinned.

I have been an administrator of this group for nearly 15 years, and have 
used my judgement to keep the forum healthy without overly interfering with 
the activity that occurs naturally.  Pinning a thread used to be an 
admin-only ability that was used very rarely, and only for extremely 
important announcements.  Even then, with few exceptions the pins were 
removed after a short while (at most a week or two), so that the natural 
time-ordered sequence of posts would prevail.

-e

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

Hi Alan,
 These are great enhancements:

   - supporting data tiddlers
   - edit/read mode with toggle button


Just a commend
Editing a cell in a column used to sort table may loose focuses specially 
when the edited cell move up/down based on the new value

--Mohammad


On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 11:10:46 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I have updated http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/ with the latest 
> release of TiddlyTables. Version 0.6.15 includes many enhancements. Here 
> are some of the big ones:
>
>- Added Support for Data Tiddlers
>- Global default for edit mode
>- Toggle button for edit mode
>- Tooltips
>- New edit template
>- Style/theme improvements
>- Minor UI improvements and Bugfixes
>
> Many thanks Mohammad! The example you shared and some of your comments 
> inspired most of these updates.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:19:50 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there 
>>> are some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
>>> TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is the 
>>> 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use cases, 
>>> documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
>>> feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.
>>>
>>> I think this needs to discuss different part of the code here to get 
>> more feedback! TiddlyTables has hundreds line of code!
>> Your tiddler approach in developing TiddlyTables is very interesting! 
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin 2.0.0 beta 10: Dynamic Tables

@David
Thank you for adding it to Tiddly toolmap!

@TonyM
Yes, dynamic table can have a lot of use case and it is a more flexible 
tool comparing to listing tiddlers using $list widget.
I will check the css to see how keep the edit cell wider.


--Mohammad

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 4:10:49 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> In edit mode the columns reduce to a short minimum and the table does not 
> use 100% of the Width. Would there be a way to provide or alter the table 
> width to 100% to make editing easier perhaps with a custom class or table 
> style parameter?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:34:07 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>> *Date: Dec 4th,  2019*
>> *Release: 2.0.0 beta 10*
>> *Status: beta under development*
>>
>> A new beta update is available.
>>
>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>
>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>
>>
>> This update has an amazing new feature: *Dynamic Tables*. see the 
>> tutorial here
>> Dynamic tables can be created from tiddler fields OR data tiddler indexes 
>> (json or dictionary)
>>
>> https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
>>
>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is based on the great plugin TiddlyTables 
>>  by Alan Aldrich, so all kodous 
>> goes to Alan.
>>
>> Dynamic tables is a very simple with limited features comparing to 
>> TiddlyTables . Shiraz dynamic 
>> tables has some features not available in TiddlyTables 
>>  0.6.13 (at the time of release Dec 
>> 2019) like
>>
>>- inline editor
>>- data tiddler support
>>- independency from host tiddler (e.g. having many tables in one 
>>tiddler)
>>- minimum settings
>>
>> These make Shiraz dynamic tables a simple and easy to use limited version 
>> of Tiddlywiki dynamic tables.
>>
>> [image: Image 094.png]
>>
>>
>> [image: Image 095.png]
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>

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