Re: [tw5] Re: How to create a table that updates each cell entry as tiddlers change?

[TW Tones]

Harry,

The content inside the list widget is the template for each result it 
produces., unless you use the "variable" parameter.

It depends on your list widget but try;
 "//<>//,,Afro,,"
this and you will see its still not as you expect, this is because the link 
mechaisium imposes some styling. Also the bold uses two single quotes '' 
not one double quote "

You can refer to the title directly rather than use the variable name if 
its currentTiddler
''//{{!!title}}//,,Afro,,''
or
''// <$text text=<>/> //,,Afro,,''

But the above will not also be a link so do this (defaults 
to=<>)

<$link> ''//{{!!title}}//,,Afro,,''

If you needed the title to come from a  variable instead you can use the 
link widget and convert variable to simple text so all the formatting 
applies before it gets blue and linkified

<$link to=<> >''//<$text text=<>/>//,,Afro,,''

Regards
Tones



On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 13:44:56 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> Really appreciate your help and patience, and sorry for bothering you with 
> the seemingly endless petty issues! I tried the  list widget code you 
> suggested, but it only shows "Cedric Richmond" as a clickable link, while 
> the list-links macros shows "Cedric Richmond" as a clickable link and 
> allows formatting (for instance, if I put "//Cedric Richmond//,,Afro,," in 
> the caption field, the link will be reformatted as I desire, see pic 
> attached). Is there anyway that the list widget can do the similar thing, 
> i.e. outputting the link in a designated format? This could achieve what I 
> have in the attached pic and also get rid of the bullet point. Thanks again 
> for your time and generous help to my nitpicking questions!
>
> Best
> Harry
> 在2021年7月24日星期六 UTC-4 下午10:35:02 写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> I suggested the list widget <$list not the list-links macro who uses 
>> bullet points for the list.
>>
>> Also  I would be inclined to set your values outside the table and keep 
>> it simple in side the table
>>
>> <$set name=agchair filter="[field:of1[27341089]]"> 
>> <$set name=incumbent-chair value={{senate agriculture 
>> committee!!incumbent_chair}} >
>>
>> | !Committee | !Chair |
>> | !Agriculture | <> |
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 11:41:30 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tones,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reminder! I have looked into the dynamic table but it 
>>> seems that it does not allow me to customize the headers of columns and 
>>> rows. Following your lead, I have tried to use list-links, but am still 
>>> hitting some roadblocks. The code I'm currently trying is :
>>> | !Committee | !Chair |
>>> | !Agriculture | <>> [field:of2[27341089]]">> |
>>>
>>> 27341089 is a unique code I assign for agriculture chair, so when a new 
>>> chair takes place, I'll update the relevant tiddler with the fields to make 
>>> sure they auto-update in the table. However, the layout has a dot (see the 
>>> attached pic, yellow shaded). Is there anyway that I can tweak the macro to 
>>> remove the dot? Or should I try some different routes? Thanks a million!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>> TW Tones  于2021年7月23日周五 下午8:08写道：
>>>
 Harry,

 There are arrange of approaches you can use here. There are already 
 *dynamic 
 table* solutions or the content of your table can refer to variables 
 or transclusion such that if they change it is reflected in your table. I 
 tend to populate tables using the list widget so its the result of the 
 list 
 that finds the content even when it changes.

 Using your example the table cell could contain {{senate agriculture 
 committee!! incumbent_chair}} which means it can be nothing but the value 
 there in.

 Regards
 Tones
 On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:08:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a niche question about creating an auto-updating table and 
> wonder if anyone can give me some guidance.
>
> To illustrate the specific context, let's say I'm trying to create a 
> table of all chairs and ranking memebers of the senate committees. The 
> table would look like this:
> | Committee | Chair | Ranking Member| 
> | Agriculture | 1 | 2 | 
> | Armed Service | 3 | 4 |
>
> When the agriculture chair changes from “Jane Doe (FL)” to "John 
> Smith", I have to manually change the code entry of cell 1 from "[[Jane 
> Doe|Jane Doe (FL)]],,D,," to "John Smith,,R,,".
>
> Instead of manually putting codes into cells 1 through 4, I wonder if 
> there is a way that the table could update itself, since the chairs and 
> ranking members change from time to time.
>
> What I'm currently exploring is to creat two fields in each 
> committee's tiddler. Say for tiddler "senate agriculture committee", I 
> creat two fields "incumbent_chair" and "incumbent_ranking". My hope is 
> that 
> there can be some way that links cell 1 with the "incumbent_chair", so 
> that 

Re: [tw5] Re: How to create a table that updates each cell entry as tiddlers change?

[Harry]

Hi Tones,

Really appreciate your help and patience, and sorry for bothering you with 
the seemingly endless petty issues! I tried the  list widget code you 
suggested, but it only shows "Cedric Richmond" as a clickable link, while 
the list-links macros shows "Cedric Richmond" as a clickable link and 
allows formatting (for instance, if I put "//Cedric Richmond//,,Afro,," in 
the caption field, the link will be reformatted as I desire, see pic 
attached). Is there anyway that the list widget can do the similar thing, 
i.e. outputting the link in a designated format? This could achieve what I 
have in the attached pic and also get rid of the bullet point. Thanks again 
for your time and generous help to my nitpicking questions!

Best
Harry
在2021年7月24日星期六 UTC-4 下午10:35:02 写道：

> Harry,
>
> I suggested the list widget <$list not the list-links macro who uses 
> bullet points for the list.
>
> Also  I would be inclined to set your values outside the table and keep it 
> simple in side the table
>
> <$set name=agchair filter="[field:of1[27341089]]"> 
> <$set name=incumbent-chair value={{senate agriculture 
> committee!!incumbent_chair}} >
>
> | !Committee | !Chair |
> | !Agriculture | <> |
>
> 
>
>
> On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 11:41:30 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> Thanks for your reminder! I have looked into the dynamic table but it 
>> seems that it does not allow me to customize the headers of columns and 
>> rows. Following your lead, I have tried to use list-links, but am still 
>> hitting some roadblocks. The code I'm currently trying is :
>> | !Committee | !Chair |
>> | !Agriculture | <> [field:of2[27341089]]">> |
>>
>> 27341089 is a unique code I assign for agriculture chair, so when a new 
>> chair takes place, I'll update the relevant tiddler with the fields to make 
>> sure they auto-update in the table. However, the layout has a dot (see the 
>> attached pic, yellow shaded). Is there anyway that I can tweak the macro to 
>> remove the dot? Or should I try some different routes? Thanks a million!
>>
>> Best
>> Harry
>>
>>
>> TW Tones  于2021年7月23日周五 下午8:08写道：
>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> There are arrange of approaches you can use here. There are already 
>>> *dynamic 
>>> table* solutions or the content of your table can refer to variables or 
>>> transclusion such that if they change it is reflected in your table. I tend 
>>> to populate tables using the list widget so its the result of the list that 
>>> finds the content even when it changes.
>>>
>>> Using your example the table cell could contain {{senate agriculture 
>>> committee!! incumbent_chair}} which means it can be nothing but the value 
>>> there in.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:08:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have a niche question about creating an auto-updating table and 
 wonder if anyone can give me some guidance.

 To illustrate the specific context, let's say I'm trying to create a 
 table of all chairs and ranking memebers of the senate committees. The 
 table would look like this:
 | Committee | Chair | Ranking Member| 
 | Agriculture | 1 | 2 | 
 | Armed Service | 3 | 4 |

 When the agriculture chair changes from “Jane Doe (FL)” to "John 
 Smith", I have to manually change the code entry of cell 1 from "[[Jane 
 Doe|Jane Doe (FL)]],,D,," to "John Smith,,R,,".

 Instead of manually putting codes into cells 1 through 4, I wonder if 
 there is a way that the table could update itself, since the chairs and 
 ranking members change from time to time.

 What I'm currently exploring is to creat two fields in each committee's 
 tiddler. Say for tiddler "senate agriculture committee", I creat two 
 fields 
 "incumbent_chair" and "incumbent_ranking". My hope is that there can be 
 some way that links cell 1 with the "incumbent_chair", so that whenever I 
 change the "incumbent_chair" field, cell 1 in the table above would 
 automatically update itself (with all the formatting noted above). So far 
 this is not working out, and the best I can do now is to use "<$view 
 tiddler= field=/>" which only allows the table to update cell 1 as the 
 text 
 of the field, not as a tiddler that can be clicked and redirected, nor can 
 I add specific formatting as mentioned in the example above.

 Is there anyway that I can write a code to reflect this need? Very much 
 appreciate all the help!


 Best

 Harry


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Re: [tw5] Re: How to link a tag to a tiddler of a different name?

[TW Tones]

Great, glad to help.

Tones

On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 13:14:13 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> This works perfect in my case! Thanks a lot for your patience and help!!
>
> Best
> Harry
>
> 在2021年7月24日星期六 UTC-4 下午10:25:57 写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> Find attached a "Quick and Dirty solution" drop this on your wiki, or 
>> tiddlywiki.com to test. 
>>
>>- After importing tag a tiddler for example CBC
>>- Now click on the CBC tag and select its name CBC to open the tag 
>>tiddler
>>- Now edit this tiddler and place the following
>>__[[Congressional Black Caucus|List of all Congressional Black Caucus 
>>members]]__
>>- Save and close. Now click on the CBC tag pill whereever you find it.
>>- If you click on CBC you see and can click on *Congressional Black 
>>Caucus* it will open " List of all Congressional Black Caucus members"
>>
>> OK the quick is obvious, but why dirty?
>>
>>- If a tag tiddler already contains content for another reason it 
>>will be visible in the dropdown, it could be messy.
>>   - We should perhaps use another field than text.
>>- Strange artefact's occur because of the styles on items in the 
>>dropdown that is why I used underline to make it look like the link it is.
>>- The outline appears even when the text is empty, yet its important 
>>to delineate it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 10:36:09 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a lot, Tones! Hope your test end up fine.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> TW Tones  于2021年7月24日周六 上午9:20写道：
>>>
 Harry,

 I will have a look tomorrow, after I get in a Queue for a covid test, 
 since an employee at my local supermarket has tested positive when I was 
 there. If you don't hear from me feel free to send a private message.

 Of course anyone else can help Harry.

 Tones

 On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 13:13:14 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> Thanks for your help. I think what you suggested is what I want. I 
> don't mean to skip the tag pill dropdown, but want to make the first 
> click 
> after the dropdown to be redirected to a different tiddler, (See the blue 
> shaded line in the pic attached). If there's a way to do so, I would 
> really 
> appreciate your help with the specific steps on coding (I'm extremely 
> novice to this), thanks again!
>
> Best
> Harry
>
> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午9:43:36 写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> It would not be wise to do it on the first click of the tag as access 
>> to the tag pill dropdown is important.
>>
>> I have a small set of macros that extend the "tag pill dropdown". I 
>> could make a variation that looks for say a "redirect" field in a "tag 
>> tiddler" and displays that in the "tag pill dropdown" for which a click 
>> would open the tiddler.
>>
>> Perhaps the redirect field like this 
>> [[Congressional Black Caucus|List of all *C*ongressional *B*lack 
>> *C*aucus 
>> members]]
>>
>> So for the CBC tag click, and you will see 
>> "Congressional Black Caucus" and a click would navigate to [[List of all 
>> *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus members]]
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:52:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tones,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help. This is certainly an easy solution. Though in 
>>> my case, I have a few dozens of such tags with short acronyms but 
>>> longer 
>>> full names. So I wonder if there's another way that could allow a click 
>>> on 
>>> the tag tiddler to be auto-redirected to another tiddler. This would 
>>> save a 
>>> click and also help me not opening too many tiddlers after clicking on 
>>> these tags. If it's too much hassle, then never mind, thanks again!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午8:02:52 写道：
>>>
 Harry,

 In this case the tiddler CBC is a tiddler for the tag. The quick 
 solution is to place in CBC [[List of all congressional black caucus 
 members]] and perhaps also <> Even add "List of all 
 *C*ongressional 
 *B*lack *C*aucus members (CBC)."

 If someone is familiar that CBC is a tag they can make use of the 
 tag to add items or reorder with tag pill. If they do not understand 
 what 
 CBC is about then by opening the "tag tiddler" they see a link to its 
 tiddler or expanded name.

 Of course we could automate and doo more but I am not sure it would 
 occur often enough to bother.

 Regards
 Tones


 On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:39:39 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a question that I think might be simple but 

[tw5] Re: Getting relink to prevent obsolete permalinks

[TW Tones]

Charlie,

I am all for diversity and different ways about thinking.  It keeps the 
world rich and interesting and a great source of new and innovative ideas. 
Perhaps you take my use of the work lazy differently or too seriously. As 
an information and knowledge management professional, I come across lazy 
all the time. An example would be not finding the correct place to put 
something in a document library, or deciding not to fill in the metadata 
when requested, information known to the person, but they "cant be 
bothered", then they come to me when they have lost the document or cant 
tell which is the most current etc... 

Since the availability of relink, one could always make use of it, to 
maintain references rather than develop good naming standards, which 
without relink we had to do well, to avoid renames. When we are given 
things on a platter we tend to forget how we could go into the kitchen and 
make anything we want. Once again it is horses for courses, and what I do 
is different to what other people do. If one uses *relink and good naming 
standards* then perfect, however we (including myself) can rely on relink 
to fix our mistakes, so sometimes I am lazy with my names. I expect others 
to do this as well. 

However since now I have highlighted this, I am aware of the possibility 
and hope to avoid and overreliance on relink, or degrade my naming 
standards. 

By the way humanity is only where it is today technologically, because of 
our desire to be lazy in one way or another and as in the book "thinking 
fast and slow" describes, there is a real value and incentive to avoid the 
"slow thinking", yet we neglect it at our peril.

Interesting discussion
Tones

On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 00:35:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hence my "do what makes sense for you and what you are doing."
>
> And me not understanding how relink could make anybody lazy.  I can't 
> think of a use case in which relink could make a person lazy.
>
>
>
>
> If there is information value in remembering (recording) what was and not 
> just  what is, then do what it takes to not lose the what was.  Do the work.
>
> If there is information value in the journey to what is, then do what it 
> takes to record and preserve that information (i.e. all the milestone 
> steps, whatever versions of whatever, that brought you to what is.)  Do the 
> work.
>
> If the what was does not provide value, and you don't think it will ever 
> provide value, why bother?  Same for the journey to what is.  Don't do the 
> work.  That isn't lazy.
>
> If you worry that you might need it someday, then it has value (even if 
> just alleviating the worry.)  Do the Work.
>
> If you feel like you're life is cluttered by hoarding (the "I might need 
> it someday" has become unmanageable or otherwise gotten to an unhealthy 
> level), then maybe you need to lighten your load.  Rethink your work, and 
> lessen the work.  That isn't lazy.
>
> Go with what your needs are, and what keeps you sane and happy.  Do the 
> right work for you.
>
> All of that to say I don't understand how it can make anybody lazy.
>
> It sounds like you are saying you would feel lazy if you did not do the 
> things you do.  If you did those things sometimes but not others, I don't 
> think you would be lazy those times you didn't do those things.
>
> I don't believe at all that you're saying others are lazy if they don't do 
> the things you do in certain scenarios.
>
>
> I'm just trying to get a grip on how relink can possibly encourage 
> laziness in people in regards to managing content / information / knowledge 
> in TiddlyWiki.
>
> That isn't something I understand, and I'd like to understand it.  To 
> understand that, I learn something new that shapes how I do things myself 
> and it gives new insights on how folk might be "lazy" (which sounds more 
> like folk not understanding cause and effect RE how they use any tool, or 
> follow process, or anything at all related to content / information / 
> knowledge management.)
>
> So maybe not so much about lazy, but rather folk not being aware that 
> doing certain things can really bite one in the caboose when one is not 
> aware of the potential breaking of something, or loss of something.  In 
> which case: meh,  live and learn.
>
> One learns to ride a bike by accepting the potential veering into the 
> ditch and whatever bumps/bruises.
>
> I can now replace all of the above with this one-liner: make regular 
> backups so that the next bone-headed move doesn't create a whole bunch of 
> heartache.  Live, learn, enjoy, don't worry.
>
> Entropy, like $hit, happens.  Acceptance is bliss.  Amount of effort 
> within one's boundaries of reasonableness is good.
>
> Unless the work is for somebody else.  Than all bets, or many bets, may be 
> off.
>
> Everybody desires freedom and flexibility, and everybody is capable of 
> forethought and systematic understanding.  (Anybody can leapfrog anybody at 
> any moment.)
>
> 

Re: [tw5] Re: How to link a tag to a tiddler of a different name?

[Harry]

Hi Tones,

This works perfect in my case! Thanks a lot for your patience and help!!

Best
Harry

在2021年7月24日星期六 UTC-4 下午10:25:57 写道：

> Harry,
>
> Find attached a "Quick and Dirty solution" drop this on your wiki, or 
> tiddlywiki.com to test. 
>
>- After importing tag a tiddler for example CBC
>- Now click on the CBC tag and select its name CBC to open the tag 
>tiddler
>- Now edit this tiddler and place the following
>__[[Congressional Black Caucus|List of all Congressional Black Caucus 
>members]]__
>- Save and close. Now click on the CBC tag pill whereever you find it.
>- If you click on CBC you see and can click on *Congressional Black 
>Caucus* it will open " List of all Congressional Black Caucus members"
>
> OK the quick is obvious, but why dirty?
>
>- If a tag tiddler already contains content for another reason it will 
>be visible in the dropdown, it could be messy.
>   - We should perhaps use another field than text.
>- Strange artefact's occur because of the styles on items in the 
>dropdown that is why I used underline to make it look like the link it is.
>- The outline appears even when the text is empty, yet its important 
>to delineate it.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 10:36:09 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot, Tones! Hope your test end up fine.
>>
>> Best
>> Harry
>>
>> TW Tones  于2021年7月24日周六 上午9:20写道：
>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> I will have a look tomorrow, after I get in a Queue for a covid test, 
>>> since an employee at my local supermarket has tested positive when I was 
>>> there. If you don't hear from me feel free to send a private message.
>>>
>>> Of course anyone else can help Harry.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 13:13:14 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tones,

 Thanks for your help. I think what you suggested is what I want. I 
 don't mean to skip the tag pill dropdown, but want to make the first click 
 after the dropdown to be redirected to a different tiddler, (See the blue 
 shaded line in the pic attached). If there's a way to do so, I would 
 really 
 appreciate your help with the specific steps on coding (I'm extremely 
 novice to this), thanks again!

 Best
 Harry

 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午9:43:36 写道：

> Harry,
>
> It would not be wise to do it on the first click of the tag as access 
> to the tag pill dropdown is important.
>
> I have a small set of macros that extend the "tag pill dropdown". I 
> could make a variation that looks for say a "redirect" field in a "tag 
> tiddler" and displays that in the "tag pill dropdown" for which a click 
> would open the tiddler.
>
> Perhaps the redirect field like this [[Congressional Black Caucus|List 
> of all *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus members]]
>
> So for the CBC tag click, and you will see 
> "Congressional Black Caucus" and a click would navigate to [[List of all 
> *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus members]]
>
> What do you think?
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:52:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> Thanks for your help. This is certainly an easy solution. Though in 
>> my case, I have a few dozens of such tags with short acronyms but longer 
>> full names. So I wonder if there's another way that could allow a click 
>> on 
>> the tag tiddler to be auto-redirected to another tiddler. This would 
>> save a 
>> click and also help me not opening too many tiddlers after clicking on 
>> these tags. If it's too much hassle, then never mind, thanks again!
>>
>> Best
>> Harry
>>
>> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午8:02:52 写道：
>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> In this case the tiddler CBC is a tiddler for the tag. The quick 
>>> solution is to place in CBC [[List of all congressional black caucus 
>>> members]] and perhaps also <> Even add "List of all 
>>> *C*ongressional 
>>> *B*lack *C*aucus members (CBC)."
>>>
>>> If someone is familiar that CBC is a tag they can make use of the 
>>> tag to add items or reorder with tag pill. If they do not understand 
>>> what 
>>> CBC is about then by opening the "tag tiddler" they see a link to its 
>>> tiddler or expanded name.
>>>
>>> Of course we could automate and doo more but I am not sure it would 
>>> occur often enough to bother.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:39:39 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have a question that I think might be simple but have not been 
 able to figure out as a novice. I have attached a tag, say "CBC", to 
 all 
 entries who are a member of the congressional black caucus. When I 
 click 
 the CBC tag in a given tiddler, the pop-out would 

[tw5] Re: What other tools compliment TiddlyWiki well? [discussion]

[TW Tones]

Si,

I too take the pragmatic approach however over time I try and develop 
tiddlywiki tools and features all me needs. Over time, in an evolutionary 
way I make the other tools redundant. Mainly because I have development or 
design control over how I use and integrate the results.

Regards
Tones

On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 04:54:58 UTC+10 Si wrote:

> > I see NO reason NOT to save ourselves universally in our own format 
> already via TW. 
>
> One reason is just that it takes time to build stuff, even in TiddlyWiki, 
> and if a decent tool already exists that time might be better spent 
> elsewhere.
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:57:26 UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Si
>>
>> It is a VERY interesting thread!
>>
>> Point being that a solo wiki needs ways to garner the richness of the 
>> uberwelt.
>>
>> BUT I think it COULD, also, be interesting to turn the issue on its head.
>>
>> FOR an instance: What internet  things could TW SERVE? 
>>
>> On Android then QUINOID is a pretty good link collector.
>> As, also, on the other platforms done well by TIDDLYCLIP.
>>
>> *My point. *Does the adjudicative have to be OTHER than TW? 
>> OR can we replete ourselves already?
>> I see NO reason NOT to save ourselves universally in our own format 
>> already via TW.
>>
>> Turning the issue around simply becomes ... 
>> WHICH UNIVERSAL, CROSS-PLATFORM, NET-WORKABLE TW saver is best?
>>
>>*Google Keep?  Forget it!*
>> *  Where is TIDDLER KEEPER?*
>>
>> Just comments
>> TT
>>
>> On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 21:10:04 UTC+2 Si wrote:
>>
>>> This question was prompted by a discussion over in the thread on 
>>> incremental note-taking 
>>> .
>>>
>>> In my opinion a major weakness of TiddlyWiki is that it is not well 
>>> suited to quickly capturing information on the fly with minimal friction.
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to create a table that updates each cell entry as tiddlers change?

[TW Tones]

Harry,

I suggested the list widget <$list not the list-links macro who uses bullet 
points for the list.

Also  I would be inclined to set your values outside the table and keep it 
simple in side the table

<$set name=agchair filter="[field:of1[27341089]]"> 
<$set name=incumbent-chair value={{senate agriculture 
committee!!incumbent_chair}} >

| !Committee | !Chair |
| !Agriculture | <> |




On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 11:41:30 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> Thanks for your reminder! I have looked into the dynamic table but it 
> seems that it does not allow me to customize the headers of columns and 
> rows. Following your lead, I have tried to use list-links, but am still 
> hitting some roadblocks. The code I'm currently trying is :
> | !Committee | !Chair |
> | !Agriculture | < [field:of2[27341089]]">> |
>
> 27341089 is a unique code I assign for agriculture chair, so when a new 
> chair takes place, I'll update the relevant tiddler with the fields to make 
> sure they auto-update in the table. However, the layout has a dot (see the 
> attached pic, yellow shaded). Is there anyway that I can tweak the macro to 
> remove the dot? Or should I try some different routes? Thanks a million!
>
> Best
> Harry
>
>
> TW Tones  于2021年7月23日周五 下午8:08写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> There are arrange of approaches you can use here. There are already *dynamic 
>> table* solutions or the content of your table can refer to variables or 
>> transclusion such that if they change it is reflected in your table. I tend 
>> to populate tables using the list widget so its the result of the list that 
>> finds the content even when it changes.
>>
>> Using your example the table cell could contain {{senate agriculture 
>> committee!! incumbent_chair}} which means it can be nothing but the value 
>> there in.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:08:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a niche question about creating an auto-updating table and wonder 
>>> if anyone can give me some guidance.
>>>
>>> To illustrate the specific context, let's say I'm trying to create a 
>>> table of all chairs and ranking memebers of the senate committees. The 
>>> table would look like this:
>>> | Committee | Chair | Ranking Member| 
>>> | Agriculture | 1 | 2 | 
>>> | Armed Service | 3 | 4 |
>>>
>>> When the agriculture chair changes from “Jane Doe (FL)” to "John Smith", 
>>> I have to manually change the code entry of cell 1 from "[[Jane Doe|Jane 
>>> Doe (FL)]],,D,," to "John Smith,,R,,".
>>>
>>> Instead of manually putting codes into cells 1 through 4, I wonder if 
>>> there is a way that the table could update itself, since the chairs and 
>>> ranking members change from time to time.
>>>
>>> What I'm currently exploring is to creat two fields in each committee's 
>>> tiddler. Say for tiddler "senate agriculture committee", I creat two fields 
>>> "incumbent_chair" and "incumbent_ranking". My hope is that there can be 
>>> some way that links cell 1 with the "incumbent_chair", so that whenever I 
>>> change the "incumbent_chair" field, cell 1 in the table above would 
>>> automatically update itself (with all the formatting noted above). So far 
>>> this is not working out, and the best I can do now is to use "<$view 
>>> tiddler= field=/>" which only allows the table to update cell 1 as the text 
>>> of the field, not as a tiddler that can be clicked and redirected, nor can 
>>> I add specific formatting as mentioned in the example above.
>>>
>>> Is there anyway that I can write a code to reflect this need? Very much 
>>> appreciate all the help!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How to link a tag to a tiddler of a different name?

[TW Tones]

Harry,

Find attached a "Quick and Dirty solution" drop this on your wiki, or 
tiddlywiki.com to test. 

   - After importing tag a tiddler for example CBC
   - Now click on the CBC tag and select its name CBC to open the tag 
   tiddler
   - Now edit this tiddler and place the following
   __[[Congressional Black Caucus|List of all Congressional Black Caucus 
   members]]__
   - Save and close. Now click on the CBC tag pill whereever you find it.
   - If you click on CBC you see and can click on *Congressional Black 
   Caucus* it will open " List of all Congressional Black Caucus members"

OK the quick is obvious, but why dirty?

   - If a tag tiddler already contains content for another reason it will 
   be visible in the dropdown, it could be messy.
  - We should perhaps use another field than text.
   - Strange artefact's occur because of the styles on items in the 
   dropdown that is why I used underline to make it look like the link it is.
   - The outline appears even when the text is empty, yet its important to 
   delineate it.

Regards
Tones

On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 10:36:09 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Thanks a lot, Tones! Hope your test end up fine.
>
> Best
> Harry
>
> TW Tones  于2021年7月24日周六 上午9:20写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> I will have a look tomorrow, after I get in a Queue for a covid test, 
>> since an employee at my local supermarket has tested positive when I was 
>> there. If you don't hear from me feel free to send a private message.
>>
>> Of course anyone else can help Harry.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 13:13:14 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tones,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help. I think what you suggested is what I want. I don't 
>>> mean to skip the tag pill dropdown, but want to make the first click after 
>>> the dropdown to be redirected to a different tiddler, (See the blue shaded 
>>> line in the pic attached). If there's a way to do so, I would really 
>>> appreciate your help with the specific steps on coding (I'm extremely 
>>> novice to this), thanks again!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午9:43:36 写道：
>>>
 Harry,

 It would not be wise to do it on the first click of the tag as access 
 to the tag pill dropdown is important.

 I have a small set of macros that extend the "tag pill dropdown". I 
 could make a variation that looks for say a "redirect" field in a "tag 
 tiddler" and displays that in the "tag pill dropdown" for which a click 
 would open the tiddler.

 Perhaps the redirect field like this [[Congressional Black Caucus|List 
 of all *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus members]]

 So for the CBC tag click, and you will see "Congressional Black Caucus" 
 and a click would navigate to [[List of all *C*ongressional *B*lack 
 *C*aucus 
 members]]

 What do you think?

 Tones


 On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:52:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> Thanks for your help. This is certainly an easy solution. Though in my 
> case, I have a few dozens of such tags with short acronyms but longer 
> full 
> names. So I wonder if there's another way that could allow a click on the 
> tag tiddler to be auto-redirected to another tiddler. This would save a 
> click and also help me not opening too many tiddlers after clicking on 
> these tags. If it's too much hassle, then never mind, thanks again!
>
> Best
> Harry
>
> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午8:02:52 写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> In this case the tiddler CBC is a tiddler for the tag. The quick 
>> solution is to place in CBC [[List of all congressional black caucus 
>> members]] and perhaps also <> Even add "List of all 
>> *C*ongressional 
>> *B*lack *C*aucus members (CBC)."
>>
>> If someone is familiar that CBC is a tag they can make use of the tag 
>> to add items or reorder with tag pill. If they do not understand what 
>> CBC 
>> is about then by opening the "tag tiddler" they see a link to its 
>> tiddler 
>> or expanded name.
>>
>> Of course we could automate and doo more but I am not sure it would 
>> occur often enough to bother.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:39:39 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a question that I think might be simple but have not been 
>>> able to figure out as a novice. I have attached a tag, say "CBC", to 
>>> all 
>>> entries who are a member of the congressional black caucus. When I 
>>> click 
>>> the CBC tag in a given tiddler, the pop-out would show a clickable line 
>>> "CBC" which would automatically redirect to an yet-uncreated entry 
>>> "CBC" . 
>>> But I already have a list tiddler named "List of all congressional 
>>> black 
>>> caucus members" and I want to make the clickable line "CBC" redirected 

Re: [tw5] Re: How to create a table that updates each cell entry as tiddlers change?

[Harry Reid]

Hi Tones,

Thanks for your reminder! I have looked into the dynamic table but it seems
that it does not allow me to customize the headers of columns and rows.
Following your lead, I have tried to use list-links, but am still hitting
some roadblocks. The code I'm currently trying is :
| !Committee | !Chair |
| !Agriculture | <> |

27341089 is a unique code I assign for agriculture chair, so when a new
chair takes place, I'll update the relevant tiddler with the fields to make
sure they auto-update in the table. However, the layout has a dot (see the
attached pic, yellow shaded). Is there anyway that I can tweak the macro to
remove the dot? Or should I try some different routes? Thanks a million!

Best
Harry


TW Tones  于2021年7月23日周五 下午8:08写道：

> Harry,
>
> There are arrange of approaches you can use here. There are already *dynamic
> table* solutions or the content of your table can refer to variables or
> transclusion such that if they change it is reflected in your table. I tend
> to populate tables using the list widget so its the result of the list that
> finds the content even when it changes.
>
> Using your example the table cell could contain {{senate agriculture
> committee!! incumbent_chair}} which means it can be nothing but the value
> there in.
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:08:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a niche question about creating an auto-updating table and wonder
>> if anyone can give me some guidance.
>>
>> To illustrate the specific context, let's say I'm trying to create a
>> table of all chairs and ranking memebers of the senate committees. The
>> table would look like this:
>> | Committee | Chair | Ranking Member|
>> | Agriculture | 1 | 2 |
>> | Armed Service | 3 | 4 |
>>
>> When the agriculture chair changes from “Jane Doe (FL)” to "John Smith",
>> I have to manually change the code entry of cell 1 from "[[Jane Doe|Jane
>> Doe (FL)]],,D,," to "John Smith,,R,,".
>>
>> Instead of manually putting codes into cells 1 through 4, I wonder if
>> there is a way that the table could update itself, since the chairs and
>> ranking members change from time to time.
>>
>> What I'm currently exploring is to creat two fields in each committee's
>> tiddler. Say for tiddler "senate agriculture committee", I creat two fields
>> "incumbent_chair" and "incumbent_ranking". My hope is that there can be
>> some way that links cell 1 with the "incumbent_chair", so that whenever I
>> change the "incumbent_chair" field, cell 1 in the table above would
>> automatically update itself (with all the formatting noted above). So far
>> this is not working out, and the best I can do now is to use "<$view
>> tiddler= field=/>" which only allows the table to update cell 1 as the text
>> of the field, not as a tiddler that can be clicked and redirected, nor can
>> I add specific formatting as mentioned in the example above.
>>
>> Is there anyway that I can write a code to reflect this need? Very much
>> appreciate all the help!
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: How can I hide the color-picker when adding a "color" field?

[TW Tones]

Si,

I have always felt the color picker falls short, though it seems to be a 
HTML default. My research suggests it already users color names in the 
pallet.

   - I would like to be able to search for color names in the picker
   - or past a color number into the picker I extract from anywhere with an 
   in browser color picker
   - I have a collection of hundreds of color name/numbers which I would 
   add to this selection


The custom formatting or editing of standard fields is handled inside 
javascript as far as I can see. I have found that the following allows you 
to edit the color field as text.

<$edit-text tiddler=<> field=color  type="text" 
tag="input"/>

Placing the above in a tiddler tagged  $:/tags/EditTemplate will allow you 
to edit it as text and use you color names in the editTemplate
Or better use;

<$list filter="[all[current]has:field[color]]" variable=nul>
Color: <$edit-text tiddler=<> field=color  type="text" 
tag="input"/>


Of course you could replace or add a this with a select to select from the 
valid color names as well. See in $:/core/macros/colour-picker for a list 
of color names.

There is room for more research but is this enough for now?

Tones


On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 04:48:25 UTC+10 Si wrote:

> Thanks Tones, if you have solution hidden away somewhere that would be 
> great!
>
> I know that I can add extra ways to view/edit the field, but I want to 
> actually replace the existing mechanism for editing the "color" field.
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 14:31:37 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Si,
>>
>> I can have a look tomorrow, I have delved into this before, however just 
>> using your own view widget or edit-text widget will let you access the true 
>> value.
>>
>> Of course also {{!!color}} to view.
>>
>> You could write an edit template tiddler tagged $:/tags/EditTemplate that 
>> provides this text rather than stylised edit in edit mode.
>>
>> if has:field[color] then use edit-text widget.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 01:26:47 UTC+10 Si wrote:
>>
>>> If you add the field "color" TiddlyWiki will replace the text-box for 
>>> editing the field value with a color-picker.
>>>
>>> In most cases this is very helpful, but I prefer to use color names 
>>> (e.g. papayawhip), so I don't want to see the color-picker.
>>>
>>> I can't figure out how to remove this feature, can anyone help me out?
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to link a tag to a tiddler of a different name?

[Harry Reid]

Thanks a lot, Tones! Hope your test end up fine.

Best
Harry

TW Tones  于2021年7月24日周六 上午9:20写道：

> Harry,
>
> I will have a look tomorrow, after I get in a Queue for a covid test,
> since an employee at my local supermarket has tested positive when I was
> there. If you don't hear from me feel free to send a private message.
>
> Of course anyone else can help Harry.
>
> Tones
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 13:13:14 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>>
>> Thanks for your help. I think what you suggested is what I want. I don't
>> mean to skip the tag pill dropdown, but want to make the first click after
>> the dropdown to be redirected to a different tiddler, (See the blue shaded
>> line in the pic attached). If there's a way to do so, I would really
>> appreciate your help with the specific steps on coding (I'm extremely
>> novice to this), thanks again!
>>
>> Best
>> Harry
>>
>> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午9:43:36 写道：
>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> It would not be wise to do it on the first click of the tag as access to
>>> the tag pill dropdown is important.
>>>
>>> I have a small set of macros that extend the "tag pill dropdown". I
>>> could make a variation that looks for say a "redirect" field in a "tag
>>> tiddler" and displays that in the "tag pill dropdown" for which a click
>>> would open the tiddler.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the redirect field like this [[Congressional Black Caucus|List
>>> of all *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus members]]
>>>
>>> So for the CBC tag click, and you will see "Congressional Black Caucus"
>>> and a click would navigate to [[List of all *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus
>>> members]]
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:52:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tones,

 Thanks for your help. This is certainly an easy solution. Though in my
 case, I have a few dozens of such tags with short acronyms but longer full
 names. So I wonder if there's another way that could allow a click on the
 tag tiddler to be auto-redirected to another tiddler. This would save a
 click and also help me not opening too many tiddlers after clicking on
 these tags. If it's too much hassle, then never mind, thanks again!

 Best
 Harry

 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午8:02:52 写道：

> Harry,
>
> In this case the tiddler CBC is a tiddler for the tag. The quick
> solution is to place in CBC [[List of all congressional black caucus
> members]] and perhaps also <> Even add "List of all 
> *C*ongressional
> *B*lack *C*aucus members (CBC)."
>
> If someone is familiar that CBC is a tag they can make use of the tag
> to add items or reorder with tag pill. If they do not understand what CBC
> is about then by opening the "tag tiddler" they see a link to its tiddler
> or expanded name.
>
> Of course we could automate and doo more but I am not sure it would
> occur often enough to bother.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:39:39 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question that I think might be simple but have not been able
>> to figure out as a novice. I have attached a tag, say "CBC", to all 
>> entries
>> who are a member of the congressional black caucus. When I click the CBC
>> tag in a given tiddler, the pop-out would show a clickable line "CBC" 
>> which
>> would automatically redirect to an yet-uncreated entry "CBC" . But I
>> already have a list tiddler named "List of all congressional black caucus
>> members" and I want to make the clickable line "CBC" redirected to this
>> longer-named tiddler. Is there a simple way that I can do it? Thanks a 
>> lot!
>>
>> Best
>> Harry
>>
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[tw5] Re: Introducing TiddlyRemember, a tool for integrating TiddlyWiki with Anki spaced-repetition flashcards

[Soren Bjornstad]

Update: I just released version 1.2.3 
, which 
should fix this problem for real. If you're not on the Anki 2.1.45 release 
candidate, you'll have to switch to that to get this update (or just wait 
until the end of the month when it's planned for full release).

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Haha, no problem. I would have wanted to check anyway.
>
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 5:36:16 PM UTC-5 Si wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Soren!
>>
>> >>> I was not able to reproduce this with the *rememberq* macro, nor do 
>> I see anything in that macro definition that would be able to cause a 
>> similar issue, so if you're still seeing problems with that, please provide 
>> an example of something that doesn't work. 
>>
>> My appologies, I meant to say "I have done something similar with 
>> question and answer cards and *do not *seem to experience the same 
>> problem". I guess I had a brain-fart. I'm really sorry for wasting your 
>> time. 
>> On Saturday, 10 July 2021 at 21:47:36 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> Si,
>>>
>>> It looks like I have a $list widget that is being used to choose which 
>>> macro call variant to use, and I forgot to set the *variable *parameter 
>>> to something other than currentTiddler. I'll include a fix for this in the 
>>> next version.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, you can apply the fix yourself by overriding the shadow 
>>> tiddler $:/plugins/sobjornstad/TiddlyRemember/macros/remember and adding 
>>> the appropriate *variable* parameters -- here's a diff:
>>>
>>> diff --git a/tw-plugin/macros/remember.tid 
>>> b/tw-plugin/macros/remember.tid
>>> index bfb6359..7dbb052 100644
>>> --- a/tw-plugin/macros/remember.tid
>>> +++ b/tw-plugin/macros/remember.tid
>>> @@ -47,10 +47,10 @@ type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki
>>>  \end
>>>  
>>>  \define remembercz(id, text, mode: "block", reference: "")
>>> *-   <$list filter="[[$mode$]match[inline]]">*
>>> *+   <$list filter="[[$mode$]match[inline]]" variable=_>*
>>> <$macrocall $name=twRememberClozeInline id=<<__id__>> 
>>> text=<<__text__>> reference=<<__reference__>>/>
>>> 
>>> *-   <$list filter="[[$mode$]!match[inline]]">*
>>> *+   <$list filter="[[$mode$]!match[inline]]" variable=_>*
>>> <$macrocall $name=twRememberClozeBlock id=<<__id__>> 
>>> text=<<__text__>> reference=<<__reference__>>/>
>>> 
>>>  \end
>>>
>>> I was not able to reproduce this with the *rememberq* macro, nor do I 
>>> see anything in that macro definition that would be able to cause a similar 
>>> issue, so if you're still seeing problems with that, please provide an 
>>> example of something that doesn't work.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 11:30:27 AM UTC-5 Si wrote:
>>>
 Hi Soren.

 I've run into a bit of trouble trying to create a custom cloze-macro 
 using TiddlyRemember. I have tiddlers with the fields cloze and context, 
 and am trying to create a global macro that will generate cloze cards 
 based 
 on those fields. Here is the code:

 \define cloze-text()
 {{!!context}}
 
 {{!!cloze}}
 \end

 \define cloze()
 <$macrocall $name=remembercz id={{!!created}} text=<> />
 \end

 I am finding that the macro is unable to get the current tiddler. If I 
 change the code for cloze-text to the following I get the output 
 "block":

 \define cloze-text()
 <
 \end

 I have done something similar with question and answer cards and seem 
 to experience the same problem. Do you know what is going on here?

 I hope I have explained myself clearly enough, but that's not always 
 easy so please let me know if I'm not making any sense!
 On Monday, 25 May 2020 at 03:26:29 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I'm pleased to announce the release of version 1.0 of TiddlyRemember, 
> a tool to make it easy to remember the most important bits of your notes. 
> You call out specific bits of your tiddlers that you want to remember 
> using 
> TiddlyWiki macros, and an associated Anki  
> add-on then pulls these snippets into Anki where you can review them 
> regularly. The Anki cards link back to the tiddler they came from so you 
> can find the context if you need it, and if you edit the content in 
> TiddlyWiki or move it around, your Anki collection gets updated to match 
> on 
> your next sync, maintaining your review history.
>
> Here's a little snip of the syntax, the rendering in a TiddlyWiki, and 
> the card in Anki (permalink to this page in the docs 
> 
> ):
>
> [image: syntax.png]
>
> There are cloze deletion cards too (if you're not a memory geek, you 
> might call these "fill in the blanks cards").

[tw5] Re: Simplest way to list all tiddlers that transclude the current tiddler?

[Soren Bjornstad]

Ah. The behavior of that filter operator changed in Relink 2.0.0, so that 
was probably your issue.

On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 2:48:14 PM UTC-5 evanwh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just wanted to update: I got things working by updating my TW version as 
> well as my Relink version. Now I'm on TW 5.2.0-prerelease and Relink 2.0.0.
>
> So my issue is resolved! Thanks everyone!
>  
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:43:48 PM UTC-7 Evan Hackett wrote:
>
>> Really? I just tried the snippet again to double check, and it isn't 
>> working for me. Yes I saved the tiddler, nothing shows up.
>>
>> Do you think there could be some other reason it isn't working? Perhaps 
>> incompatible versions or something?
>>
>> Here's more info in case it helps:
>>
>> TW version: 5.1.23-prerelease
>> Relink version: 1.10.0
>> Other plugins: Core, Filesystem, Highlight, TiddlyWeb
>> Browser: Brave Version 1.26.74 Chromium: 91.0.4472.124 (Official Build) 
>> (x86_64)
>> Computer: Macbook Pro
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 11:06:30 AM UTC-7 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> Your snippet works for me when placed in a tiddler that has links or 
>>> transclusions to it from other tiddlers.
>>>
>>> Just to be sure, did you try saving the tiddler rather than just looking 
>>> at the preview? all[current] will be a draft tiddler if you're looking at 
>>> the preview, so it probably won't find anything.
>>>
>>> BTW, the !is[system] in your filter isn't doing anything because 
>>> all[current] completely ignores its input.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 11:46:39 AM UTC-5 evanwh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I had a feeling it wasn't supported, because I looked through all the 
 filter operators and nothing stuck out at me as being what I wanted. So 
 since I am using the relink plugin, does that mean I can call its 
 operators 
 in my own tiddler? So far I've been unsuccessful getting something to 
 work, 
 but I'm probably just doing it wrong.

 Looking at that thread that was linked, I copied some code and tried to 
 get it to work but so far unsuccessful. I tried this along with various 
 tweaks:

 <$list filter=" 
 [!is[system]all[current]relink:backreferences[]!title[$:/StoryList]sort[title]]">
 <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
 

 Nothing shows up. Does anyone have a snippet that they could share?

 On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>  If I get some time in the next couple months and nobody else does it, 
>> maybe I will take a look at how to get started with TW core development.
>>
>>
> Would be happy to answer any questions you might have along those 
> lines.
>


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Re: [tw5] I broke the json pre-release :|

[Flibbles]

Thank you. I am much relieved. I would not have looked forward to having 
every file in my git repository touched, and to have all of the tiddlers' 
text bodies crammed into one line.

On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 4:36:50 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Flibbles,
>
> No significant changes to saving no node.js. Currently tiddlers of type 
> text/vnd.tiddlywiki are saved as .tid, files unless they have mutliline 
> fields in which case those tiddlers are saved as .json files. This will 
> remain the same with the addendum that a tiddler with field names with a 
> colon in them will also be saved as a .json file. 
>
> Saq
>
> On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 9:21:17 PM UTC+2 Flibbles wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Question: Is this going to impact the way NodeJS servers saves tiddlers 
>> to file? Will they no longer be .tid files, and maybe be .json files 
>> instead?
>>
>> -Flibbles
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:53:46 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Springer,
>>>
>>> From a design perspective for column headings I would stick to a 
>>> standard fields such as column-heading with the value"" on a tiddler 
>>> called "tennis", or as the case may be a sport tiddler.
>>>
>>> Already dynamic tables support alternate column names in a standard 
>>> field/value and there is not reason in my view to tamper with fieldnames.
>>>
>>> I am sure there are reasons, but your suggestion to me, is like I posted 
>>> previously, you may be about to hang yourself with the extra rope you have 
>>> being given for field names. I would avoid this excursion unless you can 
>>> establish a good reason otherwise you are possibly forgoing the ability to 
>>> use your tiddlers, with the large library of plugins and macros that have 
>>> gone before.
>>>
>>> Just my viewpoint
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 23:58:23 UTC+10 springer wrote:
>>>
 Mario,

 Thanks for the bracket fix! (I should have caught that, but was getting 
 bleary-eyed.)

 When you say, "you mainly test with tiddler titles, and not fields. 
 Even if you have strange field names...," I'm not sure what you mean. I 
 have focused mostly on having strange field names that correspond to 
 strange tiddler titles, partly because I anticipate that the newly open 
 field-name space will get half its value from letting field names 
 correspond to tiddler titles. And because of the centrality of Shiraz to 
 my 
 own workflow, I have been testing how Shiraz (especially dynamic tables) 
 behaves with the new field name possibilities.

 My other anticipated use for strange field names is to serve as compact 
 headings in dynamic tables, where the difference between "tennis" and  or 
 "recyclable" and ♻︎ (in a field with √ or X values) is conservation of 
 horizontal table space.

 So: What other kinds of tests do you (and others) see as important? 
 Though my coding skills are minimal, the challenge to test the limits of a 
 new feature is one area where I enjoy chipping in as best I can.

 -Springer

 On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
> Nice tests, but you mainly test with tiddler titles, and not fields. 
> Even if you have strange field names in your tiddlers. 
>
>
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/new-json-tw-experiment.html#Show%20related%20field-table%20(ViewTemplate)
>  
> .. The filter is probably broken, because the number of opne/close braces 
> are wrong. The last closing brace is missing ...first[]]
>
> BUT I didn't test the code. 
>
> -mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] I broke the json pre-release :|

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Flibbles,

No significant changes to saving no node.js. Currently tiddlers of type 
text/vnd.tiddlywiki are saved as .tid, files unless they have mutliline 
fields in which case those tiddlers are saved as .json files. This will 
remain the same with the addendum that a tiddler with field names with a 
colon in them will also be saved as a .json file. 

Saq

On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 9:21:17 PM UTC+2 Flibbles wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Question: Is this going to impact the way NodeJS servers saves tiddlers to 
> file? Will they no longer be .tid files, and maybe be .json files instead?
>
> -Flibbles
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:53:46 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Springer,
>>
>> From a design perspective for column headings I would stick to a standard 
>> fields such as column-heading with the value"" on a tiddler called 
>> "tennis", or as the case may be a sport tiddler.
>>
>> Already dynamic tables support alternate column names in a standard 
>> field/value and there is not reason in my view to tamper with fieldnames.
>>
>> I am sure there are reasons, but your suggestion to me, is like I posted 
>> previously, you may be about to hang yourself with the extra rope you have 
>> being given for field names. I would avoid this excursion unless you can 
>> establish a good reason otherwise you are possibly forgoing the ability to 
>> use your tiddlers, with the large library of plugins and macros that have 
>> gone before.
>>
>> Just my viewpoint
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 23:58:23 UTC+10 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Mario,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the bracket fix! (I should have caught that, but was getting 
>>> bleary-eyed.)
>>>
>>> When you say, "you mainly test with tiddler titles, and not fields. Even 
>>> if you have strange field names...," I'm not sure what you mean. I have 
>>> focused mostly on having strange field names that correspond to strange 
>>> tiddler titles, partly because I anticipate that the newly open field-name 
>>> space will get half its value from letting field names correspond to 
>>> tiddler titles. And because of the centrality of Shiraz to my own workflow, 
>>> I have been testing how Shiraz (especially dynamic tables) behaves with the 
>>> new field name possibilities.
>>>
>>> My other anticipated use for strange field names is to serve as compact 
>>> headings in dynamic tables, where the difference between "tennis" and  or 
>>> "recyclable" and ♻︎ (in a field with √ or X values) is conservation of 
>>> horizontal table space.
>>>
>>> So: What other kinds of tests do you (and others) see as important? 
>>> Though my coding skills are minimal, the challenge to test the limits of a 
>>> new feature is one area where I enjoy chipping in as best I can.
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 Nice tests, but you mainly test with tiddler titles, and not fields. 
 Even if you have strange field names in your tiddlers. 


 https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/new-json-tw-experiment.html#Show%20related%20field-table%20(ViewTemplate)
  
 .. The filter is probably broken, because the number of opne/close braces 
 are wrong. The last closing brace is missing ...first[]]

 BUT I didn't test the code. 

 -mario



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[tw5] Re: Confused noob

[Charlie Veniot]

Hello,
 
1.1.1: Any kind of file can be put in Google Drive, but can only open if 
you have an app that can open the file.  So like a doc has the Google Doc 
app, or a sheet has the Google sheet app, TW needs the TiddlyDrive app.  I 
have multiple TW  instances in Google Drive, and TiddlyDrive allows opening 
and saving the TW's like a champ.  (Do note that Google Docs and Google 
Sheets continuously and automatically save edits as they happen.  
TiddlyDrive settings allows the same behaviour for saving, or you can 
specify the TiddlyWiki ought only be saved when you press the save button.)

3.  Sure TW is great for entering info about your research, but giving your 
world-wide YouTube video watcher access to your research info in your TW 
with the TW stored in Google Drive won't work (as far as I know.)  It would 
probably be best to keep your "work in progress" TW in Google Drive, and 
export the TW as a static site (i.e. a bunch of HTML pages) to be hosted 
somewhere.  Provide links from YouTube (or wherever else) to individual 
static pages.
3.1.2 The export of your TW as a static site should not confuse your 
viewers.

4. An entire Google Site is saved as one file in Google Drive, sort of like 
how multiple sheets in one Google Sheet are all in one file

Those are a few thoughts to hold you over until other folk who are more in 
the know can chime in.

Cheers !

On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 4:52:52 PM UTC-3 albe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here are some of the things that I'm confused about.
> 1) Can I use it on my Android phone? I do most of my research on my phone.
> 1.1) If so do I need another app like AndTidWiki or TiddlyDrive 
> 
> 1.1.1) I read a couple places that Dropbox and Google Drive were not eager 
> to host things like TW. Does that impact saving to Google drive?
> 2) I have tons of chrome bookmarks can I use TW5 to annotate them?
> 3) When I make a YouTube Video I offer do a lot of research before hand. 
> Is TW5 a good place to put that research and if so how can I share it with 
> viewers? I.e. a link in the description?
> 3.1) will a that link take them to the entire wiki?
> 3.1.2) wouldn't the formatting of TW5 be confusing to my viewers?
> 3.2) Do some of the other versions Stroll, Roam, focus on formatting so 
> that toddlers can be published like blog entries or social media posts?
> 4) Was going to start putting my research on a New Google Site. So I could 
> have links, notes, figures topically organized. One benefit is that it 
> would be easy to link to it from a YouTube description. It seems like a 
> huge waste of time to do both. I think I understand that the content for 
> New Google Sites is in the form of files on Google Drive. In this way can I 
> use TiddlyDrive to effectively host/ publish my TiddlyWiki?
> 4) I will look at more general tutorials if it looks like I can do the 
> things that I want with TW5.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Confused noob

[George Albercook]

Here are some of the things that I'm confused about.
1) Can I use it on my Android phone? I do most of my research on my phone.
1.1) If so do I need another app like AndTidWiki or TiddlyDrive 

1.1.1) I read a couple places that Dropbox and Google Drive were not eager 
to host things like TW. Does that impact saving to Google drive?
2) I have tons of chrome bookmarks can I use TW5 to annotate them?
3) When I make a YouTube Video I offer do a lot of research before hand. Is 
TW5 a good place to put that research and if so how can I share it with 
viewers? I.e. a link in the description?
3.1) will a that link take them to the entire wiki?
3.1.2) wouldn't the formatting of TW5 be confusing to my viewers?
3.2) Do some of the other versions Stroll, Roam, focus on formatting so 
that toddlers can be published like blog entries or social media posts?
4) Was going to start putting my research on a New Google Site. So I could 
have links, notes, figures topically organized. One benefit is that it 
would be easy to link to it from a YouTube description. It seems like a 
huge waste of time to do both. I think I understand that the content for 
New Google Sites is in the form of files on Google Drive. In this way can I 
use TiddlyDrive to effectively host/ publish my TiddlyWiki?
4) I will look at more general tutorials if it looks like I can do the 
things that I want with TW5.

Thanks

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[tw5] Re: Simplest way to list all tiddlers that transclude the current tiddler?

[Evan Hackett]

Just wanted to update: I got things working by updating my TW version as 
well as my Relink version. Now I'm on TW 5.2.0-prerelease and Relink 2.0.0.

So my issue is resolved! Thanks everyone!
 

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:43:48 PM UTC-7 Evan Hackett wrote:

> Really? I just tried the snippet again to double check, and it isn't 
> working for me. Yes I saved the tiddler, nothing shows up.
>
> Do you think there could be some other reason it isn't working? Perhaps 
> incompatible versions or something?
>
> Here's more info in case it helps:
>
> TW version: 5.1.23-prerelease
> Relink version: 1.10.0
> Other plugins: Core, Filesystem, Highlight, TiddlyWeb
> Browser: Brave Version 1.26.74 Chromium: 91.0.4472.124 (Official Build) 
> (x86_64)
> Computer: Macbook Pro
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 11:06:30 AM UTC-7 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> Your snippet works for me when placed in a tiddler that has links or 
>> transclusions to it from other tiddlers.
>>
>> Just to be sure, did you try saving the tiddler rather than just looking 
>> at the preview? all[current] will be a draft tiddler if you're looking at 
>> the preview, so it probably won't find anything.
>>
>> BTW, the !is[system] in your filter isn't doing anything because 
>> all[current] completely ignores its input.
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 11:46:39 AM UTC-5 evanwh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had a feeling it wasn't supported, because I looked through all the 
>>> filter operators and nothing stuck out at me as being what I wanted. So 
>>> since I am using the relink plugin, does that mean I can call its operators 
>>> in my own tiddler? So far I've been unsuccessful getting something to work, 
>>> but I'm probably just doing it wrong.
>>>
>>> Looking at that thread that was linked, I copied some code and tried to 
>>> get it to work but so far unsuccessful. I tried this along with various 
>>> tweaks:
>>>
>>> <$list filter=" 
>>> [!is[system]all[current]relink:backreferences[]!title[$:/StoryList]sort[title]]">
>>> <$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Nothing shows up. Does anyone have a snippet that they could share?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
  If I get some time in the next couple months and nobody else does it, 
> maybe I will take a look at how to get started with TW core development.
>
>
 Would be happy to answer any questions you might have along those lines.

>>>

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Re: [tw5] I broke the json pre-release :|

[Flibbles]

Hey all,

Question: Is this going to impact the way NodeJS servers saves tiddlers to 
file? Will they no longer be .tid files, and maybe be .json files instead?

-Flibbles

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:53:46 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Springer,
>
> From a design perspective for column headings I would stick to a standard 
> fields such as column-heading with the value"" on a tiddler called 
> "tennis", or as the case may be a sport tiddler.
>
> Already dynamic tables support alternate column names in a standard 
> field/value and there is not reason in my view to tamper with fieldnames.
>
> I am sure there are reasons, but your suggestion to me, is like I posted 
> previously, you may be about to hang yourself with the extra rope you have 
> being given for field names. I would avoid this excursion unless you can 
> establish a good reason otherwise you are possibly forgoing the ability to 
> use your tiddlers, with the large library of plugins and macros that have 
> gone before.
>
> Just my viewpoint
> Tones
>
>
> On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 23:58:23 UTC+10 springer wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Thanks for the bracket fix! (I should have caught that, but was getting 
>> bleary-eyed.)
>>
>> When you say, "you mainly test with tiddler titles, and not fields. Even 
>> if you have strange field names...," I'm not sure what you mean. I have 
>> focused mostly on having strange field names that correspond to strange 
>> tiddler titles, partly because I anticipate that the newly open field-name 
>> space will get half its value from letting field names correspond to 
>> tiddler titles. And because of the centrality of Shiraz to my own workflow, 
>> I have been testing how Shiraz (especially dynamic tables) behaves with the 
>> new field name possibilities.
>>
>> My other anticipated use for strange field names is to serve as compact 
>> headings in dynamic tables, where the difference between "tennis" and  or 
>> "recyclable" and ♻︎ (in a field with √ or X values) is conservation of 
>> horizontal table space.
>>
>> So: What other kinds of tests do you (and others) see as important? 
>> Though my coding skills are minimal, the challenge to test the limits of a 
>> new feature is one area where I enjoy chipping in as best I can.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-4 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Nice tests, but you mainly test with tiddler titles, and not fields. 
>>> Even if you have strange field names in your tiddlers. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/new-json-tw-experiment.html#Show%20related%20field-table%20(ViewTemplate)
>>>  
>>> .. The filter is probably broken, because the number of opne/close braces 
>>> are wrong. The last closing brace is missing ...first[]]
>>>
>>> BUT I didn't test the code. 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: What other tools compliment TiddlyWiki well? [discussion]

[Si]

> I see NO reason NOT to save ourselves universally in our own format 
already via TW. 

One reason is just that it takes time to build stuff, even in TiddlyWiki, 
and if a decent tool already exists that time might be better spent 
elsewhere.

On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:57:26 UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Si
>
> It is a VERY interesting thread!
>
> Point being that a solo wiki needs ways to garner the richness of the 
> uberwelt.
>
> BUT I think it COULD, also, be interesting to turn the issue on its head.
>
> FOR an instance: What internet  things could TW SERVE? 
>
> On Android then QUINOID is a pretty good link collector.
> As, also, on the other platforms done well by TIDDLYCLIP.
>
> *My point. *Does the adjudicative have to be OTHER than TW? 
> OR can we replete ourselves already?
> I see NO reason NOT to save ourselves universally in our own format 
> already via TW.
>
> Turning the issue around simply becomes ... 
> WHICH UNIVERSAL, CROSS-PLATFORM, NET-WORKABLE TW saver is best?
>
>*Google Keep?  Forget it!*
> *  Where is TIDDLER KEEPER?*
>
> Just comments
> TT
>
> On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 21:10:04 UTC+2 Si wrote:
>
>> This question was prompted by a discussion over in the thread on 
>> incremental note-taking 
>> .
>>
>> In my opinion a major weakness of TiddlyWiki is that it is not well 
>> suited to quickly capturing information on the fly with minimal friction.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How can I hide the color-picker when adding a "color" field?

[Si]

 Thanks Tones, if you have solution hidden away somewhere that would be 
great!

I know that I can add extra ways to view/edit the field, but I want to 
actually replace the existing mechanism for editing the "color" field.


On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 14:31:37 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Si,
>
> I can have a look tomorrow, I have delved into this before, however just 
> using your own view widget or edit-text widget will let you access the true 
> value.
>
> Of course also {{!!color}} to view.
>
> You could write an edit template tiddler tagged $:/tags/EditTemplate that 
> provides this text rather than stylised edit in edit mode.
>
> if has:field[color] then use edit-text widget.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 01:26:47 UTC+10 Si wrote:
>
>> If you add the field "color" TiddlyWiki will replace the text-box for 
>> editing the field value with a color-picker.
>>
>> In most cases this is very helpful, but I prefer to use color names (e.g. 
>> papayawhip), so I don't want to see the color-picker.
>>
>> I can't figure out how to remove this feature, can anyone help me out?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How can I hide the color-picker when adding a "color" field?

[Si]

Thanks Tones, if you have solution hidden away somewhere that would be 
great!

I know that I can add extra ways to view/edit the field, but I want to 
actually replace the existing field.

On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 14:31:37 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Si,
>
> I can have a look tomorrow, I have delved into this before, however just 
> using your own view widget or edit-text widget will let you access the true 
> value.
>
> Of course also {{!!color}} to view.
>
> You could write an edit template tiddler tagged $:/tags/EditTemplate that 
> provides this text rather than stylised edit in edit mode.
>
> if has:field[color] then use edit-text widget.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 01:26:47 UTC+10 Si wrote:
>
>> If you add the field "color" TiddlyWiki will replace the text-box for 
>> editing the field value with a color-picker.
>>
>> In most cases this is very helpful, but I prefer to use color names (e.g. 
>> papayawhip), so I don't want to see the color-picker.
>>
>> I can't figure out how to remove this feature, can anyone help me out?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Community Call and File Uploads Plugin

[Boris Mann]

Yes, it's hard to fit Europe, west coast North American, and Australian 
timezones in one slot -- sorry about that!

Yes, the session will be recorded.


On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 6:28:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Given
> Converted Time Sydney, NSW, Australia 
> 
> 2:00 am AEST 
> Wednesday, 18 August 2021
>
> I am not sure I will make it, perhaps in a follow-up one. If possible if 
> you can publish a recording after it would be appreciated.
>
> This subject means a lot to me. If I may share these points in advance for 
> consideration.
>
>
>- The provision of serial editing (one use after the other) through 
>check in and check out mechanisms, for all saver mechanism's.  This would 
>be the quickest route to supporting multi-users/teams on tiddlywiki
>- It is quite easy to change the filename of a saved tiddlywiki, say 
>on php and tw-reciever. it seems to be the save technology can already 
> save 
>files to hosts. It seems to be we need to open this up to trusted users 
>with the appropriate credentials so for example
>   - A single file tiddlywiki could save the changes made by one user 
>   only, in an independent file (delta backup). Then either the 
>  - owner can import all user contributions and apply them to the 
>  master copy, 
>  - or users can recover their current state by loading their own 
>  file of changes (delta backup) from the host ). 
>  - or both 
>  - Contention and overwrites can be handled by the wiki designer 
>  or interactively.
>   - Designers could write information or logs to the host file system 
>   from the tiddlywiki, acknowledging all permitted users have file update 
>   rights. This would allow survey answers, to be saved, comments etc...
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 04:02:41 UTC+10 bo...@fission.codes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Saq. It's been great working with you and 
>> Jeremy and I'm happy to support you and the community.
>>
>> I'd really like some open discussion around how the TiddlyWiki community 
>> can use and rally around Open Collective. I'm personally _very_ inspired by 
>> the organization and the promise it has over time -- and where it is at 
>> today. Their recent blog post is a very good read 
>> https://blog.opencollective.com/solidarity-as-our-guiding-principle/. 
>> I'll quote part of the post:
>>
>> *Technology Owned by the People*
>> *Open Collective is part of a movement for start-ups and tech platforms 
>> become to become owned by their users and stakeholders, called “exit to 
>> community” or E2C. Learn more about this community interested in community 
>> control and governance here. We don’t know exactly what the future holds, 
>> but OCF, grounded in perspectives of solidarity, will be a key influence on 
>> the future of the Open Collective platform as a commons.*
>>
>> In short, I've been working with open source software and communities for 
>> 2 decades now. I'm more convinced than ever that we can "Build Software 
>> Together" and that Open Collective is a tool that can be used by 
>> communities to pool funds towards common goals.
>>
>> This experiment with the file uploads plugin has lead directly to having 
>> Saq spend time working on a more solid foundation for core TW architecture. 
>> Can we continue this? Can we get more small and large projects and people 
>> funded through OC?
>>
>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> We will be having a *TiddlyWiki Community call* with Jeremy, Boris and 
>>> myself on August 17th at 6pm CET: TiddlyWiki Community: Core Savers & 
>>> Syncers, Upload Plugin, & Community Forum - Zoom 
>>> 
>>>
>>> I hope some of you will be able to join us for what I think will be a 
>>> very interesting discussion. Please register for the event at the link 
>>> above.
>>>
>>> The call will include:
>>>
>>>- a progress update on my work on the *Uploads plugin* funded by 
>>>Open Collective
>>>- a summary of some rather exciting and promising avenues for core 
>>>development in the areas of *Savers and Syncers* that has come out 
>>>of discussions around the Uploads plugin
>>>- an update on the *Open Collective* model for funding TiddlyWiki 
>>>work and what we have learned from it thus far
>>>- some news from Jeremy and Boris regarding improvements to 
>>>TiddlyWiki *community infrastructure*.
>>>
>>> I have been slowly working away on the TiddlyWiki file uploads plugin as 
>>> was previously announced 
>>> . 
>>> The majority of the work thus far has consisted of brainstorming around the 
>>> architecture and some very involved but promising and productive 
>>> discussions with Jeremy around 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki + nodejs: What are benefits and use cases?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Ok, so then other synchronization services. Also, I imagine that 
block-level doesn't work if you use encryption, for instance.

On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 1:13:17 AM UTC-7 The Islander wrote:

>
>- For synchronization via dropbox, etc., only changed tiddlers get 
>updated.
>
>
> Dropbox has long switched to block based synchronization, so even for a 
> single file TW on Dropbox, it will synchronize up only the changed blocks 
> in the file so the sync should be very quick once the base file is already 
> in cloud. Also, if you are into saving backups of a single TW file, when a 
> new backup is saved, only the "new" blocks of the new single file will be 
> synced up to Dropbox, not the whole file.
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: tidders created this week

[paulgilbert2000]

this worked perfectly , thank you very much tones!

On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 8:00:59 PM UTC+2 Stobot wrote:

> WOW - agree with Soren, this is HUGE - this will remove the need for sooo 
> many <$wikify> widgets!
>
> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 7:59:34 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:58:33 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> From the pre-release this feature should make it even simpler
>>>  New in: 5.2.0 Literal macro parameters are supported 
>>> . For example: 
>>> [].
>>>
>>
>> Ooh, that's slick, looking forward to it!
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

[Frédéric Demers]

@mark s; great, my pleasure!

If you are going to use the command palette
, maybe I can share a few
observations about it:
- the search steps system is a clever and flexible solution to give the
users control over the search results through the
$:/plugins/souk21/commandpalette/CommandPaletteSearchSteps tiddler. The
order of the results is specified by the order of the steps in json
configuration (I pasted a sample config in a previous reply), and the hint text
provides information about which of the steps returned a match. The caret value
is the position of the search term within the step's filter expression.
During the generation of search results, the plugin code inserts the search
term at the position specified by the caret. If you make changes to the
filter expression, you need to verify that the caret position is still
correct, else that step will be broken and not return any result. I use
notepad++  to figure it out, by pasting the
filter expression into a new document, placing the cursor where the search
term should be, and subtracting one.
-  If you make changes to the search steps, you will need to refresh the
command palette to have them re-loaded with your changes. You can refresh
the command palette from the command palette itself.
- I choose to disable the history at the top of the search results. You can
do so in the $:/plugins/souk21/commandpalette/CommandPaletteSettings
tiddler (or through the command palette itself)
- as alluded to previously, I am interested in improving the plugin so that
different ways to invoke the command palette would use different steps
definitions. This would allow the user to map different key strokes to
different search modes.


In your earlier note, you suggested you wanted to see search results in
their context. I am not sure if you have been able to achieve that with the
command palette. In any case, with some work, I have managed to bring out
the Context Search tab of the advanced search system using a single
keystroke (that does not fire when you are in a text field) using mousetrap
. It was
surprisingly more challenging than expected. For one thing, it feels like
Danielo's ContextSearch plugin 
predates some important improvements to the advanced search system in
TiddlyWiki. For my solution to work (particularly, getting the search text
field to focus correctly upon typing the keystroke), I had to modernize it.
Secondly, it is a bit tricky to trigger TW actions from the mousetrap
javascript
context (at least it is to me): some actions work and others not so well
(e.g navigate). I ended up having to use action-listops on the $:/StoryList
to bring up the advanced search system, for example, which is probably not
recommended. I can share details here if you were interested. Please note
it is also possible, and significantly simpler, to use the native keyboard
shortcut system in TiddlyWiki with key combination (e.g. ctrl+alt+A) if
that is sufficient, instead of mousetrap.

With that, have a great weekend everyone!

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 08:26, maki aea  wrote:

>
> thanks @fred that really helped me, using it right now, it's great!
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:03:30 PM UTC+1 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @mark S
>> the screen caps shown in my previous reply do not use the Command Palette
>> . I think the Command
>> Palette user interface is not well suited for your need to show the search
>> results in context. It is probably best in your case to setup a keyboard
>> shortcut to bring out the context search
>>  directly. I don't yet know how to
>> do that, but will explore.
>>
>>
>> To answer your question however, I have this mousetrap config to bring
>> out the Command Palette in the
>> $:/plugins/fastfreddy/twmousetrap/example.js tiddler (I repackaged
>> mousetrap slightly).
>>
>>  $tw.Mousetrap.bind("/",
>> function() {
>> $tw.rootWidget.invokeActionString('<$action-sendmessage
>> $message="open-command-palette"/>',$tw.rootWidget);
>> },
>> "keyup"
>> );
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 07:40, maki aea  wrote:
>>
>>> @fred nice! would love to know how you fire command palette with /, do
>>> you simulate ctrl+p or do you call it directly? i'm able to bind another
>>> key using mousetrap (remembering to save and reload tiddlywiki for the
>>> changed javascript to kick in) but am having trouble calling command
>>> palette using KeyboardEvent to simulate ctrl+p. would really appreciate any
>>> pointers on how you do it!
>>>
>>> warmest wishes, maki
>>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 12:15:59 PM UTC+1 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @ walt; github and gitlab are near equivalent and I use both. Each have
 slightly different offerings when it comes to their Pages options (that is
 serving 

[tw5] Re: Getting relink to prevent obsolete permalinks

[Charlie Veniot]

Hence my "do what makes sense for you and what you are doing."

And me not understanding how relink could make anybody lazy.  I can't think 
of a use case in which relink could make a person lazy.




If there is information value in remembering (recording) what was and not 
just  what is, then do what it takes to not lose the what was.  Do the work.

If there is information value in the journey to what is, then do what it 
takes to record and preserve that information (i.e. all the milestone 
steps, whatever versions of whatever, that brought you to what is.)  Do the 
work.

If the what was does not provide value, and you don't think it will ever 
provide value, why bother?  Same for the journey to what is.  Don't do the 
work.  That isn't lazy.

If you worry that you might need it someday, then it has value (even if 
just alleviating the worry.)  Do the Work.

If you feel like you're life is cluttered by hoarding (the "I might need it 
someday" has become unmanageable or otherwise gotten to an unhealthy 
level), then maybe you need to lighten your load.  Rethink your work, and 
lessen the work.  That isn't lazy.

Go with what your needs are, and what keeps you sane and happy.  Do the 
right work for you.

All of that to say I don't understand how it can make anybody lazy.

It sounds like you are saying you would feel lazy if you did not do the 
things you do.  If you did those things sometimes but not others, I don't 
think you would be lazy those times you didn't do those things.

I don't believe at all that you're saying others are lazy if they don't do 
the things you do in certain scenarios.


I'm just trying to get a grip on how relink can possibly encourage laziness 
in people in regards to managing content / information / knowledge in 
TiddlyWiki.

That isn't something I understand, and I'd like to understand it.  To 
understand that, I learn something new that shapes how I do things myself 
and it gives new insights on how folk might be "lazy" (which sounds more 
like folk not understanding cause and effect RE how they use any tool, or 
follow process, or anything at all related to content / information / 
knowledge management.)

So maybe not so much about lazy, but rather folk not being aware that doing 
certain things can really bite one in the caboose when one is not aware of 
the potential breaking of something, or loss of something.  In which case: 
meh,  live and learn.

One learns to ride a bike by accepting the potential veering into the ditch 
and whatever bumps/bruises.

I can now replace all of the above with this one-liner: make regular 
backups so that the next bone-headed move doesn't create a whole bunch of 
heartache.  Live, learn, enjoy, don't worry.

Entropy, like $hit, happens.  Acceptance is bliss.  Amount of effort within 
one's boundaries of reasonableness is good.

Unless the work is for somebody else.  Than all bets, or many bets, may be 
off.

Everybody desires freedom and flexibility, and everybody is capable of 
forethought and systematic understanding.  (Anybody can leapfrog anybody at 
any moment.)

Every recipe does not require the same amount of salt.  It depends on the 
recipe, and it depends on personal taste.  Some recipes don't require any 
salt at all.  (recipe being the need, salt being the amount of work.)





On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 10:15:51 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Charlie.
>
> Perhaps it does not make you lazy, but if for example you use Bombay, then 
> realise its no longer called that, just renaming to Mumbai, Knowing relink 
> updates it everywhere is lazy. Bombay is lost to your wiki. 
>
> Renaming it then adding a tiddler for Bombay with a connection to Mumbai 
> and even better if you say this occurred in a particular year, then your 
> wiki gains rather than looses information. In this case I am not saying 
> don't rename, that is your prerogative, I am saying be thoughtful when 
> doing so, and sometime the value is not the easiest thing.
>
> For example when I write macros and other solutions I already have a set 
> of standard names based on experience and as a result they just never 
> happen to need renaming. I am not hemmed in in any way with my naming 
> standards, in fact I feel I have more freedom in many ways to move on 
> knowing I can find anything I need again from "first principals" my 
> standards again, and I have more times to name where I want. A macro name 
> needs to be remembered, where was it defined, what are it parameters?
>
> I have the desire for the same freedom and flexibility as you, but I also 
> am aware of how forethought and systematic understanding is how we can 
> stand on the "shoulders of Giants" or advance our own ideas. The gentle 
> application of constraints (a recent fashion)  promotes discovery and 
> creativity as much as seeking "total freedom from constraints" also can.
>
> After all, we are all but struggling against entropy. 
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 12:45:41 UTC+10 

[tw5] Re: How can I hide the color-picker when adding a "color" field?

[TW Tones]

Si,

I can have a look tomorrow, I have delved into this before, however just 
using your own view widget or edit-text widget will let you access the true 
value.

Of course also {{!!color}} to view.

You could write an edit template tiddler tagged $:/tags/EditTemplate that 
provides this text rather than stylised edit in edit mode.

if has:field[color] then use edit-text widget.

Regards
Tones




On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 01:26:47 UTC+10 Si wrote:

> If you add the field "color" TiddlyWiki will replace the text-box for 
> editing the field value with a color-picker.
>
> In most cases this is very helpful, but I prefer to use color names (e.g. 
> papayawhip), so I don't want to see the color-picker.
>
> I can't figure out how to remove this feature, can anyone help me out?
>

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

[TW Tones]

*The fundamentally open, quinoidal, structure of TW, fundamentally allows 
ANY system you pine after. - **yes I think I agree*
*Though it is radically agnostic about the importance of mother's linkages. 
**- perhaps tiddlywiki is but is the universe?*
*TBH I think it is gonna be easier to show that through OUTPUT wiki, rather 
than "in-process" approximations. **- what? why?*

*Just a comment or two about a comment.*
Tones
On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 21:41:51 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> The fundamentally open, quinoidal, structure of TW, fundamentally allows 
> ANY system you pine after. Though it is radically agnostic about the 
> importance of mother's linkages.
>
> TBH I think it is gonna be easier to show that through OUTPUT wiki, rather 
> than "in-process" approximations.
>
> Just a comment
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: How to link a tag to a tiddler of a different name?

[TW Tones]

Harry,

I will have a look tomorrow, after I get in a Queue for a covid test, since 
an employee at my local supermarket has tested positive when I was there. 
If you don't hear from me feel free to send a private message.

Of course anyone else can help Harry.

Tones

On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 13:13:14 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi Tones,
>
> Thanks for your help. I think what you suggested is what I want. I don't 
> mean to skip the tag pill dropdown, but want to make the first click after 
> the dropdown to be redirected to a different tiddler, (See the blue shaded 
> line in the pic attached). If there's a way to do so, I would really 
> appreciate your help with the specific steps on coding (I'm extremely 
> novice to this), thanks again!
>
> Best
> Harry
>
> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午9:43:36 写道：
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> It would not be wise to do it on the first click of the tag as access to 
>> the tag pill dropdown is important.
>>
>> I have a small set of macros that extend the "tag pill dropdown". I could 
>> make a variation that looks for say a "redirect" field in a "tag tiddler" 
>> and displays that in the "tag pill dropdown" for which a click would open 
>> the tiddler.
>>
>> Perhaps the redirect field like this [[Congressional Black Caucus|List of 
>> all *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus members]]
>>
>> So for the CBC tag click, and you will see "Congressional Black Caucus" 
>> and a click would navigate to [[List of all *C*ongressional *B*lack *C*aucus 
>> members]]
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 10:52:25 UTC+10 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tones,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help. This is certainly an easy solution. Though in my 
>>> case, I have a few dozens of such tags with short acronyms but longer full 
>>> names. So I wonder if there's another way that could allow a click on the 
>>> tag tiddler to be auto-redirected to another tiddler. This would save a 
>>> click and also help me not opening too many tiddlers after clicking on 
>>> these tags. If it's too much hassle, then never mind, thanks again!
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> 在2021年7月23日星期五 UTC-4 下午8:02:52 写道：
>>>
 Harry,

 In this case the tiddler CBC is a tiddler for the tag. The quick 
 solution is to place in CBC [[List of all congressional black caucus 
 members]] and perhaps also <> Even add "List of all 
 *C*ongressional 
 *B*lack *C*aucus members (CBC)."

 If someone is familiar that CBC is a tag they can make use of the tag 
 to add items or reorder with tag pill. If they do not understand what CBC 
 is about then by opening the "tag tiddler" they see a link to its tiddler 
 or expanded name.

 Of course we could automate and doo more but I am not sure it would 
 occur often enough to bother.

 Regards
 Tones


 On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 09:39:39 UTC+10 Harry wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a question that I think might be simple but have not been able 
> to figure out as a novice. I have attached a tag, say "CBC", to all 
> entries 
> who are a member of the congressional black caucus. When I click the CBC 
> tag in a given tiddler, the pop-out would show a clickable line "CBC" 
> which 
> would automatically redirect to an yet-uncreated entry "CBC" . But I 
> already have a list tiddler named "List of all congressional black caucus 
> members" and I want to make the clickable line "CBC" redirected to this 
> longer-named tiddler. Is there a simple way that I can do it? Thanks a 
> lot!
>
> Best
> Harry
>


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[tw5] Re: Getting relink to prevent obsolete permalinks

[TW Tones]

Charlie.

Perhaps it does not make you lazy, but if for example you use Bombay, then 
realise its no longer called that, just renaming to Mumbai, Knowing relink 
updates it everywhere is lazy. Bombay is lost to your wiki. 

Renaming it then adding a tiddler for Bombay with a connection to Mumbai 
and even better if you say this occurred in a particular year, then your 
wiki gains rather than looses information. In this case I am not saying 
don't rename, that is your prerogative, I am saying be thoughtful when 
doing so, and sometime the value is not the easiest thing.

For example when I write macros and other solutions I already have a set of 
standard names based on experience and as a result they just never happen 
to need renaming. I am not hemmed in in any way with my naming standards, 
in fact I feel I have more freedom in many ways to move on knowing I can 
find anything I need again from "first principals" my standards again, and 
I have more times to name where I want. A macro name needs to be 
remembered, where was it defined, what are it parameters?

I have the desire for the same freedom and flexibility as you, but I also 
am aware of how forethought and systematic understanding is how we can 
stand on the "shoulders of Giants" or advance our own ideas. The gentle 
application of constraints (a recent fashion)  promotes discovery and 
creativity as much as seeking "total freedom from constraints" also can.

After all, we are all but struggling against entropy. 

Tones


On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 12:45:41 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, TiddlyTweeter said "SERIOUS IMPLICIT KNOWLEDGE," so I can't take the 
> kudos for that.
>
> I can't imagine how relink could make anybody lazy.  I want relink to 
> handle it because I prefer focus on churning the intertwingled thoughts as 
> tiddlers without the sticks-in-the-wheels, wheels-in-the-mud, that is 
> getting the title right toute-suite.  Good enough title immediately, tweak 
> to perfection iteratively/incrementally.
>
> Sure, there may be times, as per one's needs, in which changing a tiddler 
> title is semantically bad, or bad for link rot, or bad for some other 
> reason, or a combination of reasons.
>
> Do as makes sense for you and what you're doing (how you function, the 
> purpose of a particular tiddler or a whole tiddlywiki).
>
>- For the great majority of what I do and how I function, tiddler 
>titles that must never change would drive me off the deep end.
>- For some things, I really do not want the tiddler titles to ever 
>change, because I use (in these scenarios) tiddler titles strictly as one 
>would use sequence (or system-generated) numbers for primary keys in a 
>database.  These are very niche  organizational/presentation purposes of 
>mine.
>- For how I function, I can't imagine any other scenario in which I 
>would want titles to stay fixed-no-matter-what.  Bleurk.  I'd much prefer 
>multiple tiddlers and handy-dandy transclusions to handle implicit 
>knowledge.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:56:09 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> This is where I think relink can make people lazy. The unique key to a 
>> tiddler is the title, but it is so easy to change the key, which is a 
>> powerful benefit but there are a subset of situations where changing the 
>> key needs further thought.
>>
>> If relink just "handles it", we may just forget the impact of a change, 
>> Apart even from external links there is a historical event involved in 
>> Bombay to Mumbai. As Charlie said SERIOUS IMPLICIT KNOWLEDGE, This change 
>> supports my approach which is to avoid loosing information. In this case if 
>> you simply renamed you loose the old name. So if renaming results in lost 
>> of information further steps should be taken.
>>
>> Perhaps logging renames in a data tiddler that is searchable would offer 
>> a level of record, so that a search returns something like *Mumbai 
>> (Bombay)* if this was confirmed,  or *Mumbai (Bombay)? *if not 
>> confirmed. Perhaps we could use Mario's alias plugin or similar tools to 
>> somewhat automate this.  I doubt capturing all title renames even over a 
>> long period would consume much space.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 00:04:14 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Right!
>>>
>>> But there is SERIOUS IMPLICIT KNOWLEDGE at work knowing that Mumbai IS 
>>> Bombay
>>>
>>> Do these transforms inform the user of what is going on an why?
>>>
>>> Just asking for a friend,
>>> TT
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 15:03:34 UTC+2 PMario wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 5:14:00 PM UTC+2 springer wrote:

 And as much as you may "choose my tiddler names well enough when needed 
> so they need not change in future",  renaming a tiddler is not always a 
> matter of realizing that you failed to have foresight the first time 
> around. (My reason for invoking the Bombay to Mumbai change -- 
>

 I 

[tw5] [Karoake] Has anyone made a Karoake TW yet?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Vorrei che aggiungiamo tutti i cantanti del mondo.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbfbtOLYng

Era geniale,.

I'd love to have a live sing-along.
TT

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[tw5] Re: What other tools compliment TiddlyWiki well? [discussion]

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Si

It is a VERY interesting thread!

Point being that a solo wiki needs ways to garner the richness of the 
uberwelt.

BUT I think it COULD, also, be interesting to turn the issue on its head.

FOR an instance: What internet  things could TW SERVE? 

On Android then QUINOID is a pretty good link collector.
As, also, on the other platforms done well by TIDDLYCLIP.

*My point. *Does the adjudicative have to be OTHER than TW? 
OR can we replete ourselves already?
I see NO reason NOT to save ourselves universally in our own format already 
via TW.

Turning the issue around simply becomes ... 
WHICH UNIVERSAL, CROSS-PLATFORM, NET-WORKABLE TW saver is best?

   *Google Keep?  Forget it!*
*  Where is TIDDLER KEEPER?*

Just comments
TT

On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 21:10:04 UTC+2 Si wrote:

> This question was prompted by a discussion over in the thread on 
> incremental note-taking 
> .
>
> In my opinion a major weakness of TiddlyWiki is that it is not well suited 
> to quickly capturing information on the fly with minimal friction.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki + nodejs: What are benefits and use cases?

[The Islander]

   
   - For synchronization via dropbox, etc., only changed tiddlers get 
   updated.


Dropbox has long switched to block based synchronization, so even for a 
single file TW on Dropbox, it will synchronize up only the changed blocks 
in the file so the sync should be very quick once the base file is already 
in cloud. Also, if you are into saving backups of a single TW file, when a 
new backup is saved, only the "new" blocks of the new single file will be 
synced up to Dropbox, not the whole file.




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[tw5] Re: Announcing Editor-Autolist-Markdown

[Saq Imtiaz]

>
> Inheriting from Saq's implementation (and I'm not sure if there's any 
> other way to do it), editor-autolist-markdown works via an 'invisible' 
> toolbar button with the assigned key shortcuts.
>

The alternative would be trying to add event listeners for the keydown 
event to the text area via JavaScript. I think the toolbar button approach 
is a lot more flexible.
 

> This could be addressed by how the Big Text Area is implemented. I'm sure 
> it is more difficult to implement, but it is possible to turn the toolbar 
> invisible rather than removing it via <$reveal>. If the style "display: 
> none" is added to the div containing the toolbar (I think by default it is 
> .tc-text-editor-toolbar-item-wrapper) this would do it. (This would also 
> bring back your bold, italic, etc.)
>

This is precisely how Streams hides the toolbar. All toolbar buttons that 
don't display a popup continue to work via keyboard shortcuts. 

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