date:20210819

Hi, 
I did just test it. It works as expected. The "Backlinks" tab is in the 
tiddler info area. 

[image: uni-link-01.gif]

-m

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[tw5] how do stroll and tiddlyblink compare?

2021-08-19 Thread Andrew Paul

I was trying this tutorial  and 
felt stuck when Anne didn't explain the difference between stroll and 
tiddlyblink. Wasn't sure if stroll came out after the tutorial and she 
didn't update it. Or if the tutorial is doable without choosing 
tiddlyblink, and if so, how.

I also saw stroll might prevent tiddlymap. Are mindmaps possible in this 
case?

generally, I am still anxious about choosing a platform to begin gardening 
on, but TW seemed to have more support and development than most others, so 
as a beginner to gardening, indieweb, and programming, am I missing 
anything in my choice of TW? what implications are in this choice?

thanks,

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[tw5] Re: Refer to the same tiddler with multiple names

2021-08-19 Thread Sandip Deshmukh



Hello Mario,

Thanks. Tried the plugin. It is useful.

There is one small issue, though.

Suppose, X is an alias for A. And suppose, B refers to X. The linking works 
perfectly. Clicking on X takes us to A. But B is not shown as a backlink to 
A. Or it did not on my wiki.

How do I get the backlinks also to work as expected? Do I need to tweak 
some settings, etc.?




On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 8:37:25 PM UTC+5:30 PMario wrote:

> Hi Sandip, 
> I did create a plugin named: uni-link. .. It will allow you to use an 
> aliases field in your tiddler. This field can then be used to link to other 
> tiddlers. 
>
> Have a closer look at the original intro thread and the video on the 
> plugin page. 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/35_6ltCXEvs/m/Ryl90gI_AwAJ
> How you can add the library link to your wiki, so you can use the core 
> Plugin installation mechanism is shown at: 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/#GettingStarted
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread Frédéric Demers

moved over also

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 14:40:24 UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:
>
>> Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
>> superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
>> are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
>> email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.
>
>
> All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can also 
> "mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 
>
> -mario
>

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Re: [tw5] Talk TiddlyWiki and the "discobot"

2021-08-19 Thread strikke...@gmail.com

@ Tones,

The tutorial had started, you were expected to bookmark the message. When 
you do that - the tutorial continues - keep answering until you get the 
certificat.

Birthe
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 2:29:32 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Mario,
>
> For me start tutorial only gave me the same original post. I am not an 
> admin!
>
> [image: Snag_24a351e5.png]
> I will look for a tutorial though
>
> Thanks
> Tones
> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 05:51:28 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:43:13 PM UTC+2 Folke Hermansson 
>> Snickars wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How can I come back to the discobot  tutorial if I missed it when I 
>>> joined?
>>>
>>
>> You should still have the message in your in-box. 
>>
>> You can restart the "conversation" when you reply with : start tutorial 
>>
>> [image: discobot-01.gif]
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Talk TiddlyWiki and the "discobot"

Mario,

For me start tutorial only gave me the same original post. I am not an 
admin!

[image: Snag_24a351e5.png]
I will look for a tutorial though

Thanks
Tones
On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 05:51:28 UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:43:13 PM UTC+2 Folke Hermansson Snickars 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> How can I come back to the discobot  tutorial if I missed it when I 
>> joined?
>>
>
> You should still have the message in your in-box. 
>
> You can restart the "conversation" when you reply with : start tutorial 
>
> [image: discobot-01.gif]
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: seeing what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more self-coded platform can look like

Jamm

You can do a lot with tiddlywiki macros and widgets, perhaps an infinite 
amount without any javascript, but if you choose to build complex solutions 
you are also using html, css and Javascript technologies which are all 
reusable skills and essential knowledge for the internet.  

I would just make sure my data in tiddlywiki was logically arranged and not 
worry about the future its structure, technologies, tools and more all 
allow you to move your tiddlywiki data on to other places without any 
problems. Tiddlywiki is not a proprietary trap.

Tones
On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 07:23:05 UTC+10 jamm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying, Tones and Soren. I had the impression that 
> TiddlyWiki was more cookie cutter, or could be if I didn't add or alter 
> code. "A no-code personal wiki system," I heard TW called. But yes, I was 
> seeing this as a future-proofing mechanism where I might want to migrate 
> some- or everything stored in TiddlyWiki to a different platform in the 
> future.
>
> For more context, I was trying to set myself up to be able to transfer my 
> info from a digital garden on a more cookie cutter platform to a later less 
> cookie-cutter one, once I learned to code a bit. Starting 
> "non-technically," in the sense Maggie Appleton's articles  impressed on 
> me. 
>
> https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners
> https://maggieappleton.com/nontechnical-gardening
>
> It seems I still misunderstand the question of going from a manageable 
> Digital Garden to a more complex one, not having data transfer be an issue.
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:36:03 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> As Tones said, I think we need a bit more information about what you're 
>> hoping to accomplish to give a complete answer. Are you seeing this as a 
>> future-proofing mechanism where you *might* want to migrate something 
>> stored in TiddlyWiki to a different platform in the future? Or you want to 
>> use TiddlyWiki as a CMS and then publish using a different tool? Or 
>> something else?
>>
>> On a straightforward level, it's possible to quickly render some or all 
>> tiddlers to HTML, at which point you can post-process them using whatever 
>> tooling you want. I've been using this to crosspost my sabbatical updates 
>> from my Zettelkasten 
>>  to my 
>> Jekyll blog 
>> , 
>> using the following rule in my Makefile:
>>
>> sabbatical_updates := $(wildcard 
>> zettelkasten_dir/tiddlers/SabbaticalUpdate*)
>> sabbatical_files: $(sabbatical_updates)
>> rm -rf /tmp/twout
>> cd $(zettelkasten_dir) && tiddlywiki --output /tmp/twout --render 
>> "[prefix[SabbaticalUpdate/]]" "[is[tiddler]addsuffix[.html]]" "text/html" 
>> '$$:/sib/Templates/Export/SabbaticalUpdateCabCrosspost'
>> python3 automation/crosspost-sabbatical-updates.py 
>> /tmp/twout/SabbaticalUpdate/*
>>
>> The Python script is about 70 lines and primarily sets up a YAML header 
>> with appropriate metadata so Jekyll understands what to do with the post. 
>> This is also the purpose of the 
>> $:/sib/Templates/Export/SabbaticalUpdateCabCrosspost template -- it embeds 
>> certain fields in the HTML where this script can retrieve it. If you 
>> preferred, I think you could use pandoc at this point to convert back to 
>> Markdown or a similar format; since I'm keeping my source of record in 
>> TiddlyWiki, I'm fine just leaving the posts as HTML in Jekyll.
>>
>> Of course, if you take advantage of dynamic features of TiddlyWiki that 
>> can't be represented as HTML with 100% fidelity, e.g. dynamic lists based 
>> on filters or displays of backlinks, you'll end up losing some 
>> functionality when you do this.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-5 jamm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to see what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more 
>>> self-coded platform, such as jekyll, gatsby, or others, can look like. My 
>>> concern is the transition being difficult, long, etc. Any resources?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

Folks,

I am on air because of Boris and others help.

On discourse I am very happy, we have regained features lost in GG forums 
updates, dropping tiddlywiki title links on a thread converts it to a 
markup link and a lot more. I believe we have an integration for discourse 
comments on a published tiddlywiki, I will try and locate that. I can 
integrate discourse with WordPress to maybe continue with my idea 
of http://www.colabteam.net/tiddlywiki/

There are ways to apply an overlay to any webpage to refactor it to a more 
compact look, so if none of the themes help I would not give up. Also I 
don't concur with the criticisms when compared with google groups, Sure GG 
makes use the the real-estate a lot more but when deep in a thread there is 
way too much information on the screen you do not need. Whilst there is a 
lot of white space on discourse I would like to reduce, it has all the 
information one may want.

Reintroducing the ability to highlight code, edit after posting, and many 
other new features like private chats make this far superior the GG and in 
my mind a "no brainer" even if we want improvements.

Tones

On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 08:34:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, I say that ...
>
> If the theme doesn't make viewing a conversation thread full-screen, I'm 
> not going to enjoy that.
>
> Software that doesn't take advantage of the full desktop display width 
> turns me off.
>
> Is it just me or is discourse designed for mobile devices?
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:13:51 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> If this theme 
>>  
>> can be provided as an option, then I'm good.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 6:44:50 PM UTC-3 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:25:13 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, just looked at it again.  Created an account to see if I can 
 customize the interface to be more GG looking, no dice.

 Love TiddlyWiki, *really* loathe that new forum.  Not convinced I'll 
 have the patience to deal with that interface.   Too many bells and 
 whistles going on.  Bare-bones minimalism is more my cup of tea.

>>>
>>> At the moment there is only 1 theme installed. .. But there seems to be 
>>> a possibility to add more. They should even be selectable by users. ... BUT 
>>> I have to read the docs first ... If I can find it ;)
>>>
>>> There are 16 popular themes that can be reviewed. .. So there are 
>>> probably more .. 
>>>
>>> We will see. 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [ Streams ] future development plans

Thanks all Boris helped me out.

On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 00:28:33 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Tones,
>
>  I think Boris and  Mario are the Admin of Talk Tiddlywiki!
> It is good to ask from them!
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:29 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Fair enough, but I can't get access yet, there is a bug?, so it may be 
>> premature to make it a rule.
>>
>> Thanks for the presentation Saq.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 19:01:43 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I've started a thread about future development plans for Streams 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Please note that I will no longer be monitoring or replying to Streams 
>>> related matters on the Google Group. Please address any questions, comments 
>>> or feedback that you wish for me to see to either the Discourse forum 
>>>  or Github 
>>> .
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

Well, I say that ...

If the theme doesn't make viewing a conversation thread full-screen, I'm 
not going to enjoy that.

Software that doesn't take advantage of the full desktop display width 
turns me off.

Is it just me or is discourse designed for mobile devices?

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:13:51 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> If this theme 
>  
> can be provided as an option, then I'm good.
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 6:44:50 PM UTC-3 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:25:13 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, just looked at it again.  Created an account to see if I can 
>>> customize the interface to be more GG looking, no dice.
>>>
>>> Love TiddlyWiki, *really* loathe that new forum.  Not convinced I'll 
>>> have the patience to deal with that interface.   Too many bells and 
>>> whistles going on.  Bare-bones minimalism is more my cup of tea.
>>>
>>
>> At the moment there is only 1 theme installed. .. But there seems to be a 
>> possibility to add more. They should even be selectable by users. ... BUT I 
>> have to read the docs first ... If I can find it ;)
>>
>> There are 16 popular themes that can be reviewed. .. So there are 
>> probably more .. 
>>
>> We will see. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

If this theme 
 
can be provided as an option, then I'm good.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 6:44:50 PM UTC-3 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:25:13 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, just looked at it again.  Created an account to see if I can 
>> customize the interface to be more GG looking, no dice.
>>
>> Love TiddlyWiki, *really* loathe that new forum.  Not convinced I'll 
>> have the patience to deal with that interface.   Too many bells and 
>> whistles going on.  Bare-bones minimalism is more my cup of tea.
>>
>
> At the moment there is only 1 theme installed. .. But there seems to be a 
> possibility to add more. They should even be selectable by users. ... BUT I 
> have to read the docs first ... If I can find it ;)
>
> There are 16 popular themes that can be reviewed. .. So there are probably 
> more .. 
>
> We will see. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:25:13 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, just looked at it again.  Created an account to see if I can 
> customize the interface to be more GG looking, no dice.
>
> Love TiddlyWiki, *really* loathe that new forum.  Not convinced I'll have 
> the patience to deal with that interface.   Too many bells and whistles 
> going on.  Bare-bones minimalism is more my cup of tea.
>

At the moment there is only 1 theme installed. .. But there seems to be a 
possibility to add more. They should even be selectable by users. ... BUT I 
have to read the docs first ... If I can find it ;)

There are 16 popular themes that can be reviewed. .. So there are probably 
more .. 

We will see. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

Yeah, just looked at it again.  Created an account to see if I can 
customize the interface to be more GG looking, no dice.

Love TiddlyWiki, *really* loathe that new forum.  Not convinced I'll have 
the patience to deal with that interface.   Too many bells and whistles 
going on.  Bare-bones minimalism is more my cup of tea.



On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 1:06:40 PM UTC-3 clutterstack wrote:

> @cj and @Birthe, LOL! I think there's a generational issue going on there. 
> I know I tend to use too-small text, too-small line spacing, and too-small 
> margins, but I get such an uncomfortable feeling from gobs of empty space.
>
> I think I'll get used to the interface. I'm hoping the functionality will 
> be better than Google. The animated timeline is sure annoying, though! :D
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> @Tones, this may be totally off-base for your situation, (and apologies 
>> if I've missed more details elsewhere) but I am currently logging in to 
>> Discourse with Google -- if I'm logged into this group, I can select the 
>> sign in with Google option at the Discourse board and the Clutterstack user 
>> is there. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:57:39 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> I am all for it but as posted elsewhere I am not getting the 
>>> confirmation email and can't use my account.
>>>
>>> Whos the admin? Help please.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 17:52:32 UTC+10 BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
 Hi tiddlywikians,

 there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

 Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to 
 the new Forum?

 just out of interest :)

 Best wishes,
 BTC

>>>

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[tw5] Re: seeing what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more self-coded platform can look like

2021-08-19 Thread Andrew Paul

Thanks for clarifying, Tones and Soren. I had the impression that 
TiddlyWiki was more cookie cutter, or could be if I didn't add or alter 
code. "A no-code personal wiki system," I heard TW called. But yes, I was 
seeing this as a future-proofing mechanism where I might want to migrate 
some- or everything stored in TiddlyWiki to a different platform in the 
future.

For more context, I was trying to set myself up to be able to transfer my 
info from a digital garden on a more cookie cutter platform to a later less 
cookie-cutter one, once I learned to code a bit. Starting 
"non-technically," in the sense Maggie Appleton's articles  impressed on 
me. 

https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners
https://maggieappleton.com/nontechnical-gardening

It seems I still misunderstand the question of going from a manageable 
Digital Garden to a more complex one, not having data transfer be an issue.
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:36:03 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> As Tones said, I think we need a bit more information about what you're 
> hoping to accomplish to give a complete answer. Are you seeing this as a 
> future-proofing mechanism where you *might* want to migrate something 
> stored in TiddlyWiki to a different platform in the future? Or you want to 
> use TiddlyWiki as a CMS and then publish using a different tool? Or 
> something else?
>
> On a straightforward level, it's possible to quickly render some or all 
> tiddlers to HTML, at which point you can post-process them using whatever 
> tooling you want. I've been using this to crosspost my sabbatical updates 
> from my Zettelkasten 
>  to my 
> Jekyll blog 
> , 
> using the following rule in my Makefile:
>
> sabbatical_updates := $(wildcard 
> zettelkasten_dir/tiddlers/SabbaticalUpdate*)
> sabbatical_files: $(sabbatical_updates)
> rm -rf /tmp/twout
> cd $(zettelkasten_dir) && tiddlywiki --output /tmp/twout --render 
> "[prefix[SabbaticalUpdate/]]" "[is[tiddler]addsuffix[.html]]" "text/html" 
> '$$:/sib/Templates/Export/SabbaticalUpdateCabCrosspost'
> python3 automation/crosspost-sabbatical-updates.py 
> /tmp/twout/SabbaticalUpdate/*
>
> The Python script is about 70 lines and primarily sets up a YAML header 
> with appropriate metadata so Jekyll understands what to do with the post. 
> This is also the purpose of the 
> $:/sib/Templates/Export/SabbaticalUpdateCabCrosspost template -- it embeds 
> certain fields in the HTML where this script can retrieve it. If you 
> preferred, I think you could use pandoc at this point to convert back to 
> Markdown or a similar format; since I'm keeping my source of record in 
> TiddlyWiki, I'm fine just leaving the posts as HTML in Jekyll.
>
> Of course, if you take advantage of dynamic features of TiddlyWiki that 
> can't be represented as HTML with 100% fidelity, e.g. dynamic lists based 
> on filters or displays of backlinks, you'll end up losing some 
> functionality when you do this.
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-5 jamm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to see what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more 
>> self-coded platform, such as jekyll, gatsby, or others, can look like. My 
>> concern is the transition being difficult, long, etc. Any resources?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Talk TiddlyWiki and the "discobot"

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:43:13 PM UTC+2 Folke Hermansson Snickars 
wrote:

>
> How can I come back to the discobot  tutorial if I missed it when I joined?
>

You should still have the message in your in-box. 

You can restart the "conversation" when you reply with : start tutorial 

[image: discobot-01.gif]

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Re: [tw5] Talk TiddlyWiki and the "discobot"

2021-08-19 Thread Folke Hermansson Snickars

How can I come back to the discobot  tutorial if I missed it when I joined?

Folke








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> Hi folks,
> When you join https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ you will get a message from
> the "discobot".
>
> I will recommend, that you finish the tutorial, that it wants to "show"
> you.
>
> It will interactively show you the basic features that you should know
> about the forum.
>
> have fun!
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[tw5] Talk TiddlyWiki and the "discobot"


Hi folks, 
When you join https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ you will get a message from the 
"discobot". 

I will recommend, that you finish the tutorial, that it wants to "show" 
you. 

It will interactively show you the basic features that you should know 
about the forum.

have fun!
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[tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 1:30:11 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
...

> I have heard it is possible to TRANSCLUDE Google Forum posts, but I am not 
> sure how!
>

When you register at Talk TiddlyWiki, you get a message from "discobot" ... 
It is highly recommended that you finish the tutorial that it will show 
you. 
IMO it's fun and it would have told you, how to "transclude" content from 
every other internet page ... if possible. 

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:12 PM UTC+2 R² wrote:

> Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
> superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
> are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
> email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.


All those settings can be adjusted in your Preferences page. You can also 
"mute" a category if you want. So you don't get e-mailed at all. 

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread R²

Switched too. Discourse is looking pretty good so far and indeed much 
superior to GG. I did find the base config a bit spammy though, as users 
are automatically registered as tracking a thread (and therefore receive 
email alerts) after only 4 minutes with the thread open.

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread David Shaw

Not that my contributions have been earth shattering, but I've moved too :)

David Shaw

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>
> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore.
>
> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone
> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add
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> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the
> same.
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[tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread Scott Kingery

All the cool kids are there so I'm joining too. 

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:10:39 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:

> Me too. Goodbye, GoogleGroups (and thanks for all the fish :-).   /walt
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:58:51 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>
>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
>> same.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
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[tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Wait. There was fish? No one told me about the fish!

D'oh! Tiddlers!

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:10:39 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:

> Me too. Goodbye, GoogleGroups (and thanks for all the fish :-).   /walt
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:58:51 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>
>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
>> same.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
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[tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread ludwa6

Me too. Goodbye, GoogleGroups (and thanks for all the fish :-).   /walt

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>
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>
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> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
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> same.
>
> Blessings.
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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

2021-08-19 Thread clutterstack

@cj and @Birthe, LOL! I think there's a generational issue going on there. 
I know I tend to use too-small text, too-small line spacing, and too-small 
margins, but I get such an uncomfortable feeling from gobs of empty space.

I think I'll get used to the interface. I'm hoping the functionality will 
be better than Google. The animated timeline is sure annoying, though! :D

Best,
Chris

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:58:51 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:

> @Tones, this may be totally off-base for your situation, (and apologies if 
> I've missed more details elsewhere) but I am currently logging in to 
> Discourse with Google -- if I'm logged into this group, I can select the 
> sign in with Google option at the Discourse board and the Clutterstack user 
> is there. 
>
> Best,
> Chris
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:57:39 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> I am all for it but as posted elsewhere I am not getting the confirmation 
>> email and can't use my account.
>>
>> Whos the admin? Help please.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 17:52:32 UTC+10 BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>>> Hi tiddlywikians,
>>>
>>> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>>
>>> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to 
>>> the new Forum?
>>>
>>> just out of interest :)
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> BTC
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

2021-08-19 Thread clutterstack

@Tones, this may be totally off-base for your situation, (and apologies if 
I've missed more details elsewhere) but I am currently logging in to 
Discourse with Google -- if I'm logged into this group, I can select the 
sign in with Google option at the Discourse board and the Clutterstack user 
is there. 

Best,
Chris
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:57:39 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> I am all for it but as posted elsewhere I am not getting the confirmation 
> email and can't use my account.
>
> Whos the admin? Help please.
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 17:52:32 UTC+10 BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>> Hi tiddlywikians,
>>
>> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to the 
>> new Forum?
>>
>> just out of interest :)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> BTC
>>
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread clutterstack

I'm there.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:16:11 AM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> See https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Jon  wrote:
>
>> Oh... what's the link?
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> I am moving too!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone

 I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 

 Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe 
 everyone who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread 
 to 
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

See https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:37 PM Jon  wrote:

> Oh... what's the link?
>
> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> I am moving too!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore.
>>>
>>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone
>>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add
>>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from
>>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Blessings.
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread Jon

Oh... what's the link?

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 15:23:33 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> I am moving too!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:28 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>
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>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
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>> same.
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Re: [tw5] Re: [ Streams ] future development plans

Tones,

 I think Boris and  Mario are the Admin of Talk Tiddlywiki!
It is good to ask from them!





Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:29 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Fair enough, but I can't get access yet, there is a bug?, so it may be
> premature to make it a rule.
>
> Thanks for the presentation Saq.
>
> Tones
>
> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 19:01:43 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've started a thread about future development plans for Streams
>> .
>>
>> Please note that I will no longer be monitoring or replying to Streams
>> related matters on the Google Group. Please address any questions, comments
>> or feedback that you wish for me to see to either the Discourse forum
>>  or Github
>> .
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Saq
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

I am moving too!



Best wishes
Mohammad


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[tw5] Kookma Library and Plugins on Talk Tiddlywiki

As Talk Tiddlywiki has better support and useful features for announcing
tools in a categorized form and also
great features to keep in touch with potential users. I decided to use Talk
Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum for future announcements!

Still I use GG for reference and as a resource!

I would recommend to have a look at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/


Best wishes
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Re: [tw5] Re: Error when using musicsheets widget

2021-08-19 Thread Psalm 104:33 KJV

@Eric Schulman 
Thank you, I was able to get it installed.

@BurningTreeC
Thank you for your work on this. I have been imagining and looking for a 
solution like TW with musicsheets for longer than I care to mention. I had 
never heard of ABC notation before this, but it was an excellent choice for 
this application. 

I would be happy to give feedback or help in any way that I can. 
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-4 BurningTreeC wrote:

> Hello @Hi @Psalm 104:33 KJV
>
> There's a new discussion about the revamped musicsheets plugin at the new 
> TiddlyWiki forum: https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/musicsheets-a-new-release/
>
> BurningTreeC schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 11:50:32 UTC+2:
>
>> Thank you @Xavier !
>>
>> The new home for the musicsheets plugin is: 
>> https://burningtreec.github.io/tw5-musicsheets/
>>
>> It's an alpha version currently, I'll leave a notice in the group when I 
>> release v0.0.1
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Xavier schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 10:13:40 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> Let me just add my vote to such an update. ABC is a spectacular 
>>> language for expressing scores of western traditional music, and your 
>>> adaptation of abcjs is one of the most striking example of integration 
>>> of an external Javascript library into a TiddlyWiki plugin. A great 
>>> addition to any TW5 demo!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Xavier.
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 19 août 2021 à 07:31, BurningTreeC  a 
>>> écrit :
>>>
 Hi @Psalm 104:33 KJV and @Eric Shulman,

 The musicsheets widget which I created could definitely need some love
 When I find the time I'll release an updated version

 Best wishes,
 Simon

 Eric Shulman schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 01:14:49 UTC+2:

> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-7 Psalm 104:33 KJV 
> wrote:
>
>> I am a musician and enjoy researching and cataloging things. 
>> Tiddlywiki combined with  the musicsheets 
>>  widget looks like my dream come 
>> true. 
>> I have attempted to install the musicsheets widget several times, but 
>> cannot seem to get past this error (attached). 
>>
>
> According to that error message, the 
> *music-score/widgets/musicsheets.js* module needs to also have 
> *music-score/abcjs-midi.js* installed.
>
> *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
>  
> *
> indicates that , the "Music Sheets and Midi" plugin has the following 
> components:
>
>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.css 
>
> 
>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.js 
>
> 
>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/readme 
>
> 
>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/grand-piano.json 
>
> 
>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/tuba.json 
>
> 
>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/widgets/musicsheet.js 
>
> 
>
> Thus, to properly install the plugin, you should drag-and-drop
> *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
>  
> *
> onto your TiddlyWiki and import it.  Then save-and-reload so all the 
> components can be unpacked.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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Re: [tw5] Re: Refnotes Plugin: New release 1.7.0

Thank you @Ste
I am glad you like it!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:37 PM Ste  wrote:

> Amazing stuff as ever!
>
> On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 18:22:13 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> *Refnotes plugin has got a new update 1.7.0 on Tiddlywiki 5.2.0p*
>>
>> Now you can copy a bibtex entry from a webpage like Google Scholar and
>> paste (from clipboard) it in the dedicated drop zone!
>> You can even drag and drop a portion of text from another doc, page, ...
>> no need to import or drag files! String data can be dropped or pasted!
>> See attached video!
>>
>> Special thanks go to Saq Imtiaz for his wonderful contributions to
>> Tiddlywiki core! He made this possible in TW 5.2.0
>>
>>
>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Refnotes
>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes
>>
>> *Release 1.7.0*
>>
>>
>>- *Aug 13th, 2021*
>>- [NEW] dedicated dropzone for importing bibtex entry as string
>>(paste from clipboard)
>>- [NEW] upgraded to TW 5.2.0 prerelease
>>
>>
>>
>> If you like it
>>
>>
>>- test and send feedback
>>- star it at GitHub: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes
>>
>>
>>
>> References
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/qgss_exy97g/m/L99utjKEBQAJ
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/HQHHkL37oUs/m/H1G-kOAwAQAJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

More Feature of Talk Tiddlywiki (TT)

1. TT lets filter messages by category
2. TT lets show the latest new messages
3. TT lets you use tags!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:03 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>
>
>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified
>what is going on Google Forum
>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good
>feature I frequently need)
>4. it supports pinig other users
>5. it support code block
>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>
>
> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:59 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> More features:
>
> 1. You can rate replies by thumb up/down! and give a heart to an answer
> 2. You can bookmark a reply!
> 3. Flag posts
>
> I have heard it is possible to TRANSCLUDE Google Forum posts, but I am not
> sure how!
>


I post this here as I want to share the asnswere with GG user!

Replied by Boris:
https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/transcluding-posts-in-discourse/164?u=mohammad

It’s as simple as pasting a link to any other topic or comment on a line by
> itself as I have done above.
> You can see a preview of the text, or all of it if short, and if longer
> you can click to expand the entire post inline.
> Various other links can be pasted and will expand — eg embedding Twitter
> posts.
> Quotes function in a similar way. You can highlight text on mobile or
> desktop and get a button labeled “Quote”. This will paste the contents into
> a reply with special formatting.
> Feel free to experiment in the comments here!


Unbelievable! Just copy the link to a post and it will transclude the whole
post!
I love it!



>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:03 PM Mohammad Rahmani <
> mohammad.rahm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>>
>>
>>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified
>>what is going on Google Forum
>>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good
>>feature I frequently need)
>>4. it supports pinig other users
>>5. it support code block
>>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>>
>>
>> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox

I haven't been active (hardly at all) over the past few years, but also 
think this move away from GG is a good idea.
Throwing my hat into the Discourse ring, also :)

(note: registered there using another GMail account, so I'm "Chan_Droid" 
now)

--Zaphod / Chan_Droid

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:22:10 AM UTC-4 Folke Hermansson Snickars 
wrote:

> I am now also on talk.tiddlywiki.org but does not yet understand how to 
> post or reply anything there
>
> 
>  
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>
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 14:04, BurningTreeC  wrote:
>
>> I am moving, too
>>
>> David Gifford schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 13:58:51 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>>
>>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
>>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
>>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
>>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

Yeah, something else that irks me: I like one line per conversation, with 
few columns of info (person who started the conversation, last reply 
date/time, and subject (with a little bit of text from the message to fill 
remaining space, that's fine.)

And: here I am with a nice 27" display, loads of room to stretch things out 
horizontally, and the discord site ignores close to 50% of that horizontal 
space with large left and right margins.  What the heck?

I feel curmudgeon-esque today.  Likely made worse by lack of caffeine ...

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:36:18 AM UTC-3 strikke...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> @cj.c,
> You wrote exactly what I was thinking. 
>
> Birthe
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 2:40:40 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don't think I can go over there to play with it.  When I'm forced to 
>> go, I'll try it.  If I can't stand it, I'll have a decision to make then.  
>> Well, if there is an alternative interface, or an alternative way to 
>> interact with the discourse site without actually having to look at it, 
>> then I'll be fine.
>>
>> My immediate reaction to the discourse site:  It is busy.  I don't know 
>> where to look.  Too many icons/avatars.  I am overstimulated.  It looks 
>> like and android app.  I really dislike mobile apps.  I'm outta there.
>>
>> Google groups keeps me happy because it reminds me of Gmail in regards to 
>> layout.  Visually appealing, not overstimulating, 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:41:57 PM UTC-3 sammadi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Plus, the Discourse site does not leak emails oh so liberally like GG!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:39:09 AM UTC+3 abes...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Discourse interface makes it far better than GG, especially on 
 mobile imho. I think there are a couple of things the moderators and 
 admins 
 should consider:

 1. Allow cross-site replies; as seen above, it seems folks would prefer 
 being able to reply to GG posts from Discourse to ease the transition
 2. Allow easy access to GG posts from Discourse, especially if the 
 above is technically unfeasible or difficult. Currently, one cannot easily 
 click somewhere on Discourse to go straight to the GG post. One has to 
 either manually search or click on some bookmarked link, and then find the 
 post manually.

 On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:34:45 AM UTC+3 clutterstack wrote:

> I've logged in, but was unable to reply to a GG post over there, so 
> came back here. :P
>
> I don't have a lot to say about it yet, but will come back to try it 
> more.
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:28:39 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Also it should be mentioned that those who join the new forum will 
>> not miss any post on Google Forum! as the new forum mirror GG forum!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:41 AM Saq Imtiaz  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It would be great if we could get more community members to join the 
>>> new forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ and use it for 
>>> discussions, and provide feedback on how they find the user experience.
>>>
>>> Note that you can log in with a Google or Github account, or create 
>>> a new user account specifically for the forum.
>>>
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:30:28 AM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
 The new Discourse forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ is an 
 experiment at this stage. At the moment, there's two way sync with 
 Google 
 Groups, but if people like the new system then we will migrate fully 
 over 
 to it.

 We'll be discussing it at the TiddlyWiki community call in a few 
 hours time:


 https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.

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 On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:23, Mohammad Rahmani  
 wrote:

 

 Thanks for sharing BTC!
 I would like to have one central place to be informed about TW!

 Is this the one I wished?



 Best wishes
 Mohammad


 On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:22 PM BurningTreeC <
 hypnotize...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi tiddlywikians,
>
> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move 
> to the new Forum?
>
> just out of interest :)
>
> Best wishes,
> BTC

Re: [tw5] Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

2021-08-19 Thread strikke...@gmail.com

@cj.c,
You wrote exactly what I was thinking. 

Birthe

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 2:40:40 PM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't think I can go over there to play with it.  When I'm forced to go, 
> I'll try it.  If I can't stand it, I'll have a decision to make then.  
> Well, if there is an alternative interface, or an alternative way to 
> interact with the discourse site without actually having to look at it, 
> then I'll be fine.
>
> My immediate reaction to the discourse site:  It is busy.  I don't know 
> where to look.  Too many icons/avatars.  I am overstimulated.  It looks 
> like and android app.  I really dislike mobile apps.  I'm outta there.
>
> Google groups keeps me happy because it reminds me of Gmail in regards to 
> layout.  Visually appealing, not overstimulating, 
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:41:57 PM UTC-3 sammadi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Plus, the Discourse site does not leak emails oh so liberally like GG!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:39:09 AM UTC+3 abes...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Discourse interface makes it far better than GG, especially on 
>>> mobile imho. I think there are a couple of things the moderators and admins 
>>> should consider:
>>>
>>> 1. Allow cross-site replies; as seen above, it seems folks would prefer 
>>> being able to reply to GG posts from Discourse to ease the transition
>>> 2. Allow easy access to GG posts from Discourse, especially if the above 
>>> is technically unfeasible or difficult. Currently, one cannot easily click 
>>> somewhere on Discourse to go straight to the GG post. One has to either 
>>> manually search or click on some bookmarked link, and then find the post 
>>> manually.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:34:45 AM UTC+3 clutterstack wrote:
>>>
 I've logged in, but was unable to reply to a GG post over there, so 
 came back here. :P

 I don't have a lot to say about it yet, but will come back to try it 
 more.

 Best,
 Chris

 On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:28:39 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Also it should be mentioned that those who join the new forum will not 
> miss any post on Google Forum! as the new forum mirror GG forum!
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:41 AM Saq Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>
>> It would be great if we could get more community members to join the 
>> new forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ and use it for 
>> discussions, and provide feedback on how they find the user experience.
>>
>> Note that you can log in with a Google or Github account, or create a 
>> new user account specifically for the forum.
>>
>> Saq
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:30:28 AM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> The new Discourse forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ is an 
>>> experiment at this stage. At the moment, there's two way sync with 
>>> Google 
>>> Groups, but if people like the new system then we will migrate fully 
>>> over 
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> We'll be discussing it at the TiddlyWiki community call in a few 
>>> hours time:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:23, Mohammad Rahmani  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing BTC!
>>> I would like to have one central place to be informed about TW!
>>>
>>> Is this the one I wished?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:22 PM BurningTreeC <
>>> hypnotize...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi tiddlywikians,

 there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/

 Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move 
 to the new Forum?

 just out of interest :)

 Best wishes,
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Re: [tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread Folke Hermansson Snickars

I am now also on talk.tiddlywiki.org but does not yet understand how to
post or reply anything there

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On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 14:04, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> I am moving, too
>
> David Gifford schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 13:58:51 UTC+2:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore.
>>
>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone
>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add
>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from
>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the
>> same.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] future development plans

Fair enough, but I can't get access yet, there is a bug?, so it may be 
premature to make it a rule.

Thanks for the presentation Saq.

Tones

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 19:01:43 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I've started a thread about future development plans for Streams 
> .
>
> Please note that I will no longer be monitoring or replying to Streams 
> related matters on the Google Group. Please address any questions, comments 
> or feedback that you wish for me to see to either the Discourse forum 
>  or Github 
> .
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
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[tw5] Re: Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

I am all for it but as posted elsewhere I am not getting the confirmation 
email and can't use my account.

Whos the admin? Help please.

Tones

On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 17:52:32 UTC+10 BurningTreeC wrote:

> Hi tiddlywikians,
>
> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to the 
> new Forum?
>
> just out of interest :)
>
> Best wishes,
> BTC
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[tw5] Re: Should we prohibit leading and trailing whitespace in field names in 5.2.0?

Trimming values, fieldnames and tiddler titles makes sense, there may 
however be a rare occasion where this is needed, however I think the hack 
would be to use a special space character (that is not trimmed) if you 
really needed.

Of course when possible allow the default to be overridden if needed, with 
a conscious action to do so. Just follow the standards eg in HTML input 
fields.

Tones

On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 17:08:23 UTC+10 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:33:29 AM UTC+2 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
> If I'm misunderstanding, please correct me (and can you link the 
>> discussions on GitHub?).
>>
>
> Sorry, I was talking about field values. 
>
> You are right, we should trim field names. There is some time left to do 
> so. But this question should be raised as a github issue. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Should we prohibit leading and trailing whitespace in field names in 5.2.0?

2021-08-19 Thread Soren Bjornstad

Posted here , thanks 
everyone.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 2:08:23 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:33:29 AM UTC+2 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
> If I'm misunderstanding, please correct me (and can you link the 
>> discussions on GitHub?).
>>
>
> Sorry, I was talking about field values. 
>
> You are right, we should trim field names. There is some time left to do 
> so. But this question should be raised as a github issue. 
>
> -m
>

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Re: [tw5] Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

I don't think I can go over there to play with it.  When I'm forced to go, 
I'll try it.  If I can't stand it, I'll have a decision to make then.  
Well, if there is an alternative interface, or an alternative way to 
interact with the discourse site without actually having to look at it, 
then I'll be fine.

My immediate reaction to the discourse site:  It is busy.  I don't know 
where to look.  Too many icons/avatars.  I am overstimulated.  It looks 
like and android app.  I really dislike mobile apps.  I'm outta there.

Google groups keeps me happy because it reminds me of Gmail in regards to 
layout.  Visually appealing, not overstimulating, 

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:41:57 PM UTC-3 sammadi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Plus, the Discourse site does not leak emails oh so liberally like GG!
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:39:09 AM UTC+3 abes...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Discourse interface makes it far better than GG, especially on mobile 
>> imho. I think there are a couple of things the moderators and admins should 
>> consider:
>>
>> 1. Allow cross-site replies; as seen above, it seems folks would prefer 
>> being able to reply to GG posts from Discourse to ease the transition
>> 2. Allow easy access to GG posts from Discourse, especially if the above 
>> is technically unfeasible or difficult. Currently, one cannot easily click 
>> somewhere on Discourse to go straight to the GG post. One has to either 
>> manually search or click on some bookmarked link, and then find the post 
>> manually.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:34:45 AM UTC+3 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> I've logged in, but was unable to reply to a GG post over there, so came 
>>> back here. :P
>>>
>>> I don't have a lot to say about it yet, but will come back to try it 
>>> more.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:28:39 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 Also it should be mentioned that those who join the new forum will not 
 miss any post on Google Forum! as the new forum mirror GG forum!



 Best wishes
 Mohammad


 On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:41 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> It would be great if we could get more community members to join the 
> new forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ and use it for discussions, 
> and provide feedback on how they find the user experience.
>
> Note that you can log in with a Google or Github account, or create a 
> new user account specifically for the forum.
>
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:30:28 AM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> The new Discourse forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ is an 
>> experiment at this stage. At the moment, there's two way sync with 
>> Google 
>> Groups, but if people like the new system then we will migrate fully 
>> over 
>> to it.
>>
>> We'll be discussing it at the TiddlyWiki community call in a few 
>> hours time:
>>
>>
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:23, Mohammad Rahmani  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks for sharing BTC!
>> I would like to have one central place to be informed about TW!
>>
>> Is this the one I wished?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:22 PM BurningTreeC  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi tiddlywikians,
>>>
>>> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>>
>>> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move 
>>> to the new Forum?
>>>
>>> just out of interest :)
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> BTC
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[tw5] Re: seeing what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more self-coded platform can look like

2021-08-19 Thread Soren Bjornstad

As Tones said, I think we need a bit more information about what you're
hoping to accomplish to give a complete answer. Are you seeing this as a
future-proofing mechanism where you *might* want to migrate something
stored in TiddlyWiki to a different platform in the future? Or you want to
use TiddlyWiki as a CMS and then publish using a different tool? Or
something else?

On a straightforward level, it's possible to quickly render some or all
tiddlers to HTML, at which point you can post-process them using whatever
tooling you want. I've been using this to crosspost my sabbatical updates
from my Zettelkasten
to my
Jekyll blog
,
using the following rule in my Makefile:

sabbatical_updates := $(wildcard
zettelkasten_dir/tiddlers/SabbaticalUpdate*)
sabbatical_files: $(sabbatical_updates)
rm -rf /tmp/twout
cd $(zettelkasten_dir) && tiddlywiki --output /tmp/twout --render
"[prefix[SabbaticalUpdate/]]" "[is[tiddler]addsuffix[.html]]" "text/html"
'$$:/sib/Templates/Export/SabbaticalUpdateCabCrosspost'
python3 automation/crosspost-sabbatical-updates.py
/tmp/twout/SabbaticalUpdate/*

The Python script is about 70 lines and primarily sets up a YAML header
with appropriate metadata so Jekyll understands what to do with the post.
This is also the purpose of the
$:/sib/Templates/Export/SabbaticalUpdateCabCrosspost template -- it embeds
certain fields in the HTML where this script can retrieve it. If you
preferred, I think you could use pandoc at this point to convert back to
Markdown or a similar format; since I'm keeping my source of record in
TiddlyWiki, I'm fine just leaving the posts as HTML in Jekyll.

Of course, if you take advantage of dynamic features of TiddlyWiki that
can't be represented as HTML with 100% fidelity, e.g. dynamic lists based
on filters or displays of backlinks, you'll end up losing some
functionality when you do this.

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-5 jamm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm looking to see what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more self-coded
> platform, such as jekyll, gatsby, or others, can look like. My concern is
> the transition being difficult, long, etc. Any resources?
>

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[tw5] Re: seeing what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more self-coded platform can look like

2021-08-19 Thread Finn Lancaster

Jamm,

How about using the fact of JSON Tiddlers to your advantage? Just export 
your tiddlers to JSON 
(https://tiddlywiki.com/static/How%2520to%2520export%2520tiddlers.html), 
and then you have a standard file format you can write a script to transfer 
from into another format. I've never personally used gatsby or jekyll for 
my site/blog, but I can imaging the user of JSON would ease the process 
considerably. 

Let me know what you think!
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:09:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Jamm
>
> Perhaps you could describe this with more detail, what are you trying to 
> achieve, define "self-coded platform" etc.., because this forum is for a 
> more general audience. Tiddlywiki is a non-trivial Quine which makes me ask 
> is it not already a " self-coded platform ".
>
> Otherwise if this is tiddlywiki as platform or development related please 
> start a discussion on the dev channel 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions
>
> Personally I am not a developer but I am a super user/designer, and often 
> things can be done already, without development, javascript or other 
> coding.  Developers with their development hammer often think everything is 
> a coding nail. When in fact possibilities already exist be it widget, 
> filters, editions, plugins that are already available. Eric and PMario (to 
> name a few) are so well versed in TiddlyWIki you would be surprised how 
> they can achieve anything, I am striving to be as good as they are, but 
> from the designer perspective.
>
> I consider TiddlyWiki is a platform, it can even generate new wikis, ie be 
> its own software development kit. I am keen for newcomers to contribute 
> their coding skills, but would prefer it be to address gaps rather reinvent 
> something. Just my personal view.
>
> But we are open to all ideas, so please spell yours out a little more, to 
> a larger audience.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 05:31:10 UTC+10 jamm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to see what the transfering of tiddlywiki to a more 
>> self-coded platform, such as jekyll, gatsby, or others, can look like. My 
>> concern is the transition being difficult, long, etc. Any resources?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Error when using musicsheets widget

Hello @Hi @Psalm 104:33 KJV

There's a new discussion about the revamped musicsheets plugin at the new 
TiddlyWiki forum: https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/musicsheets-a-new-release/

BurningTreeC schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 11:50:32 UTC+2:

> Thank you @Xavier !
>
> The new home for the musicsheets plugin is: 
> https://burningtreec.github.io/tw5-musicsheets/
>
> It's an alpha version currently, I'll leave a notice in the group when I 
> release v0.0.1
>
> Best wishes
>
> Xavier schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 10:13:40 UTC+2:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> Let me just add my vote to such an update. ABC is a spectacular language 
>> for expressing scores of western traditional music, and your adaptation 
>> of abcjs is one of the most striking example of integration of an 
>> external Javascript library into a TiddlyWiki plugin. A great addition 
>> to any TW5 demo!
>> Cheers,
>> Xavier.
>>
>> Le jeu. 19 août 2021 à 07:31, BurningTreeC  a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Hi @Psalm 104:33 KJV and @Eric Shulman,
>>>
>>> The musicsheets widget which I created could definitely need some love
>>> When I find the time I'll release an updated version
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Eric Shulman schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 01:14:49 UTC+2:
>>>
 On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-7 Psalm 104:33 KJV 
 wrote:

> I am a musician and enjoy researching and cataloging things. 
> Tiddlywiki combined with  the musicsheets 
>  widget looks like my dream come 
> true. 
> I have attempted to install the musicsheets widget several times, but 
> cannot seem to get past this error (attached). 
>

 According to that error message, the 
 *music-score/widgets/musicsheets.js* module needs to also have 
 *music-score/abcjs-midi.js* installed.

 *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
  
 *
 indicates that , the "Music Sheets and Midi" plugin has the following 
 components:

- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.css 

 
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.js 

 
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/readme 

 
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/grand-piano.json 

 
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/tuba.json 

 
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/widgets/musicsheet.js 

 

 Thus, to properly install the plugin, you should drag-and-drop
 *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
  
 *
 onto your TiddlyWiki and import it.  Then save-and-reload so all the 
 components can be unpacked.

 enjoy,
 -e

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[tw5] Re: Refnotes Plugin: New release 1.7.0

2021-08-19 Thread Ste

Amazing stuff as ever! 

On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 18:22:13 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> *Refnotes plugin has got a new update 1.7.0 on Tiddlywiki 5.2.0p*
>
> Now you can copy a bibtex entry from a webpage like Google Scholar and 
> paste (from clipboard) it in the dedicated drop zone!
> You can even drag and drop a portion of text from another doc, page, ... 
> no need to import or drag files! String data can be dropped or pasted!
> See attached video!
>
> Special thanks go to Saq Imtiaz for his wonderful contributions to 
> Tiddlywiki core! He made this possible in TW 5.2.0
>
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Refnotes
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes
>
> *Release 1.7.0*
>
>
>- *Aug 13th, 2021*
>- [NEW] dedicated dropzone for importing bibtex entry as string (paste 
>from clipboard)
>- [NEW] upgraded to TW 5.2.0 prerelease
>
>
>
> If you like it
>
>
>- test and send feedback
>- star it at GitHub: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes
>
>
>
> References
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/qgss_exy97g/m/L99utjKEBQAJ
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/HQHHkL37oUs/m/H1G-kOAwAQAJ
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Change link syntax [[text|link]] -> [[link|text]] for .md files stored by TW on Node.js

2021-08-19 Thread Ste

Bumping in the hope someone clever sees it.

On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 18:20:25 UTC+1 Shareda wrote:

> Hello! I need to unify links in my tiddlers stored in md files (TW on 
> Node.js) with external storage of markdown files (Obsidian vault). Now I 
> use default TiddlyWiki 5.1.23 system tiddlers an settings.
>
> I've set  $:/config/FileSystemExtensions 
>   to .md 
> and got fine .md files containing text of my tiddlers. But now I need to 
> find a way to convert the link syntax from [[text|link]] to [[link|text]] 
> before saving md files. And convert it back when read md files to my 
> TiddlyWiki.
>
> Please, help me to find a way to do so! 
>
> There is an interesting line in boot.js:
>
> $tw.utils.registerFileType("text/markdown","utf8",[".md",".markdown"],{deserializerType:"text/x-markdown"});
>   
>
> Maybe I need some custom "deserializer"? 
> I don't understand where and what should I do :^)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

I am moving, too

David Gifford schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 13:58:51 UTC+2:

> Hi everyone
>
> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>
> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
> same.
>
> Blessings.
>

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[tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-19 Thread David Gifford

Hi everyone

I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 

Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
same.

Blessings.

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[tw5] [ Musicsheets ] v0.0.1 (revamped) Discussion

Hi folks,

I've created a new Discussion in the Discourse Forum 
 about the revamped release of my musicsheets 
plugin (v0.0.1)

See here 

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[tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

More feature

Using Share button, you can directly notify other users

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:03 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>
>
>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified
>what is going on Google Forum
>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good
>feature I frequently need)
>4. it supports pinig other users
>5. it support code block
>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>
>
> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

More features:

1. You can rate replies by thumb up/down! and give a heart to an answer
2. You can bookmark a reply!
3. Flag posts

I have heard it is possible to TRANSCLUDE Google Forum posts, but I am not
sure how!

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:03 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>
>
>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified
>what is going on Google Forum
>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good
>feature I frequently need)
>4. it supports pinig other users
>5. it support code block
>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>
>
> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

So this is a very important reason for users to try Discourse before GG
goes to a read only mode!

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:07 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Not a feature but a reason:
>
> The plan is to eventually make this group read only and move all
> discussions to Discourse. Actively using Discourse now, and not just for
> testing, will allow us to discover any pain points etc and make a more
> informed decision about whether we do want to make that permanent move to
> Discourse.
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:34:08 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>>
>>
>>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified
>>what is going on Google Forum
>>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good
>>feature I frequently need)
>>4. it supports pinig other users
>>5. it support code block
>>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>>
>>
>> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

2021-08-19 Thread Saq Imtiaz

Not a feature but a reason:

The plan is to eventually make this group read only and move all 
discussions to Discourse. Actively using Discourse now, and not just for 
testing, will allow us to discover any pain points etc and make a more 
informed decision about whether we do want to make that permanent move to 
Discourse.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:34:08 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ 
> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>
>
>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified 
>what is going on Google Forum
>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good 
>feature I frequently need)
>4. it supports pinig other users
>5. it support code block
>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>
>
> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

*Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
) instead of Google Forum?*


   1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified what
   is going on Google Forum
   2. it allows previewing your post before sending
   3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good
   feature I frequently need)
   4. it supports pinig other users
   5. it support code block
   6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter


Please complete this list with features I missed!


Best wishes
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: Error when using musicsheets widget

Thank you @Xavier !

The new home for the musicsheets plugin 
is: https://burningtreec.github.io/tw5-musicsheets/

It's an alpha version currently, I'll leave a notice in the group when I 
release v0.0.1

Best wishes

Xavier schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 10:13:40 UTC+2:

> Hi Simon,
>
> Let me just add my vote to such an update. ABC is a spectacular language 
> for expressing scores of western traditional music, and your adaptation 
> of abcjs is one of the most striking example of integration of an 
> external Javascript library into a TiddlyWiki plugin. A great addition to 
> any TW5 demo!
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
>
> Le jeu. 19 août 2021 à 07:31, BurningTreeC  a 
> écrit :
>
>> Hi @Psalm 104:33 KJV and @Eric Shulman,
>>
>> The musicsheets widget which I created could definitely need some love
>> When I find the time I'll release an updated version
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Simon
>>
>> Eric Shulman schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 01:14:49 UTC+2:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-7 Psalm 104:33 KJV wrote:
>>>
 I am a musician and enjoy researching and cataloging things. Tiddlywiki 
 combined with  the musicsheets  
 widget looks like my dream come true. 
 I have attempted to install the musicsheets widget several times, but 
 cannot seem to get past this error (attached). 

>>>
>>> According to that error message, the 
>>> *music-score/widgets/musicsheets.js* module needs to also have 
>>> *music-score/abcjs-midi.js* installed.
>>>
>>> *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
>>>  
>>> *
>>> indicates that , the "Music Sheets and Midi" plugin has the following 
>>> components:
>>>
>>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.css 
>>>
>>> 
>>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.js 
>>>
>>> 
>>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/readme 
>>>
>>> 
>>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/grand-piano.json 
>>>
>>> 
>>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/tuba.json 
>>>
>>> 
>>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/widgets/musicsheet.js 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thus, to properly install the plugin, you should drag-and-drop
>>> *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
>>>  
>>> *
>>> onto your TiddlyWiki and import it.  Then save-and-reload so all the 
>>> components can be unpacked.
>>>
>>> enjoy,
>>> -e
>>>
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[tw5] [ Streams ] future development plans

2021-08-19 Thread Saq Imtiaz

Hi everyone,

I've started a thread about future development plans for Streams 
.

Please note that I will no longer be monitoring or replying to Streams 
related matters on the Google Group. Please address any questions, comments 
or feedback that you wish for me to see to either the Discourse forum 
 or Github 
.
Thank you.

Regards,
Saq

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Re: [tw5] Re: Error when using musicsheets widget

2021-08-19 Thread Xavier Cazin

Hi Simon,

Let me just add my vote to such an update. ABC is a spectacular language
for expressing scores of western traditional music, and your adaptation of
abcjs is one of the most striking example of integration of an external
Javascript library into a TiddlyWiki plugin. A great addition to any TW5
demo!
Cheers,
Xavier.

Le jeu. 19 août 2021 à 07:31, BurningTreeC  a
écrit :

> Hi @Psalm 104:33 KJV and @Eric Shulman,
>
> The musicsheets widget which I created could definitely need some love
> When I find the time I'll release an updated version
>
> Best wishes,
> Simon
>
> Eric Shulman schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 01:14:49 UTC+2:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-7 Psalm 104:33 KJV wrote:
>>
>>> I am a musician and enjoy researching and cataloging things. Tiddlywiki
>>> combined with  the musicsheets 
>>> widget looks like my dream come true.
>>> I have attempted to install the musicsheets widget several times, but
>>> cannot seem to get past this error (attached).
>>>
>>
>> According to that error message, the *music-score/widgets/musicsheets.js*
>> module needs to also have *music-score/abcjs-midi.js* installed.
>>
>> *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
>> *
>> indicates that , the "Music Sheets and Midi" plugin has the following
>> components:
>>
>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.css
>>
>> 
>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/abcjs-midi.js
>>
>> 
>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/readme
>>
>> 
>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/grand-piano.json
>>
>> 
>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/soundfonts/tuba.json
>>
>> 
>>- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/music-score/widgets/musicsheet.js
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thus, to properly install the plugin, you should drag-and-drop
>> *http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fmusic-score
>> *
>> onto your TiddlyWiki and import it.  Then save-and-reload so all the
>> components can be unpacked.
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: Import tiddlers w/ json including custom fields

2021-08-19 Thread John Mayes

*Thank you all!  *So glad I found this Group.  I was able to import after 
quoting the numbers.

@Soren Bjornstad - I searched for duplicates on a couple of them and they 
did not exist before the import, so I'm not sure what to make of your 
observation.  Looking forward to utilizing your Grok TiddlyWiki book and 
have already shared it with the person who introduced me to TW - He was 
impressed.  Certain appears to be a labor of love (and probably some 
frustration).
@ Joshua Fontany - I will definitely dig into your plugin.

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> By the way, when I said that the example "imported correctly" for me, it 
> indeed did not include some of the fields...for some reason I foolishly 
> decided not to mention that when I imported it even though I noticed. I am 
> not however seeing the message jkm was where $:/Import said there were no 
> tiddlers to import. So I think there are two separate problems here, the 
> existence of duplicate tiddlers *and* some of the fields not being 
> strings.
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:46:35 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> I can totally recommend Joshua's JSON mangler in cases likele this and 
>> csv.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 04:22:26 UTC+10 jkm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> New member here.  Windows, TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14, TW 5.1.23
>>>
>>> I'm able to import tiddlers from json with the title and text fields.  
>>> But when I try to do it with a custom field the import tiddler shows no 
>>> items to import.  All my custom fields begin with *kba* and some 
>>> additional alphanumeric characters.  The json is valid according to 
>>> jsonchecker.com.  Is this permitted?  Do I need to enable a feature or 
>>> preconfigure a system component?  I've done a few searches in the group but 
>>> didn't see anything that applied.  All help is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Imports:
>>> [
>>>   {
>>> "title": "19464",
>>> "text": "How to change the default root password"
>>>   },
>>>   {
>>> "title": "20508",
>>> "text": "Best Practices"
>>>   }
>>> ]
>>>
>>> Doesn't import:
>>> [
>>>   {
>>> "title": "19464",
>>> "text": "How to change the default root password",
>>> "kbalink": " https://www.someplace.net/ 19464",
>>> "kbarating": 3,
>>> "kbasev": 0,
>>> "kbasource": "LKBA",
>>> "kbastale": 0,
>>> "kbatweak": "",
>>> "kbatype": "How To"
>>>   },
>>>   {
>>> "title": "20508",
>>> "text": "Best Practices",
>>> "kbalink": "https://www.someplace.net/20508;,
>>> "kbarating": 5,
>>> "kbasev": 0,
>>> "kbasource": "LKBA",
>>> "kbastale": 0,
>>> "kbatweak": "",
>>> "kbatype": "Info"
>>>   }
>>> ]
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Should we prohibit leading and trailing whitespace in field names in 5.2.0?

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:33:29 AM UTC+2 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

If I'm misunderstanding, please correct me (and can you link the 
> discussions on GitHub?).
>

Sorry, I was talking about field values. 

You are right, we should trim field names. There is some time left to do 
so. But this question should be raised as a github issue. 

-m

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Re: [tw5] Should we prohibit leading and trailing whitespace in field names in 5.2.0?