Re: [tw5] Re: butlast filter operator

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Tony,

Yeah that’s what I eventually realized so I changed what happens when I
reach zero. I was just wanting to understand the inner workings better.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:34 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Another way to look at it ;
> Butlast purpose discard the last N input title(s)
>
> So saying  "discard the last 0 input titles" is non sensical
> If you actually want to discard 3, then 2 then 1 perhaps you filter needs
> find another way once it reaches 0
>
> Tones
> On Monday, 28 June 2021 at 13:07:37 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric,
>>
>> I appreciate that. I looked at it, but I really don’t know JavaScript.
>> Makes me want to learn though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:07 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7 History Buff wrote:
>>>
 I don't understand why a 0 in the butlast operator would yield no
 results

>>>
>>> The butlast[] operator is defined in this shadow tiddler:
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Ffilters%2Flistops.js
>>>
>>> Here's the javascript code from that tiddler:
>>> exports.butlast = function(source,operator,options) {
>>> var count = $tw.utils.getInt(operator.operand,1),
>>> results = [];
>>> source(function(tiddler,title) {
>>> results.push(title);
>>> });
>>> return results.slice(0,-count);
>>> };
>>>
>>> The first line gets the operand value, defaulting to 1.
>>> The next 4 lines copy the entire list of items into a results array
>>> The last line uses the javascript slice() function to remove items from
>>> the results array and then return that array
>>>
>>> Here's the documentation for the javascript slice() function:
>>>
>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/slice
>>>
>>> Note the description of the "end" parameter:
>>> Zero-based index before which to end extraction. slice extracts up to *but
>>> not including* end.
>>>
>>> Thus, when you used butlast[0], the filter code invokes slice(0,-0),
>>> i.e., "*starting from the first item up to but not including the first
>>> item*"
>>> which results in *no items* being returned.
>>>
>>> enjoy,
>>> -e
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: butlast filter operator

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Eric,

I appreciate that. I looked at it, but I really don’t know JavaScript.
Makes me want to learn though.



On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:07 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7 History Buff wrote:
>
>> I don't understand why a 0 in the butlast operator would yield no results
>>
>
> The butlast[] operator is defined in this shadow tiddler:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Ffilters%2Flistops.js
>
> Here's the javascript code from that tiddler:
> exports.butlast = function(source,operator,options) {
> var count = $tw.utils.getInt(operator.operand,1),
> results = [];
> source(function(tiddler,title) {
> results.push(title);
> });
> return results.slice(0,-count);
> };
>
> The first line gets the operand value, defaulting to 1.
> The next 4 lines copy the entire list of items into a results array
> The last line uses the javascript slice() function to remove items from
> the results array and then return that array
>
> Here's the documentation for the javascript slice() function:
>
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/slice
>
> Note the description of the "end" parameter:
> Zero-based index before which to end extraction. slice extracts up to *but
> not including* end.
>
> Thus, when you used butlast[0], the filter code invokes slice(0,-0),
> i.e., "*starting from the first item up to but not including the first
> item*"
> which results in *no items* being returned.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Relink Plugin Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks. That explains it. I’m assuming that’s why Relink performs similarly
since it’s has to calculate backlinks. Would that be a correct assumption?



On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:22 PM PMario  wrote:

> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 1:35:57 AM UTC+2 History Buff wrote:
>
>
>> So my question is now becoming what is it about the first time the filter
>> for backlinks is run that takes so long? Is it the size of my TW or
>> something else?
>>
>
> Calculating backlinks is a CPU heavy function, that's why there is a
> "baclinks-index" in the core, which is cached. So he first time your
> tab is shown, the index needs to be built. Every other time it can use the
> index, which is significantly faster. The index isn't saved, that's why it
> has to be calculated after a page refresh.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: xlsx-utils plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Saq. I’ll try that as well.



On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:03 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Try using the prerelease of TW 5.1.24 to do your import.
> It has a bug fix for the xlsx plugin:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:33:46 AM UTC+2 History Buff wrote:
>
>> Just bumping this up to the top in case it was missed.
>>
>> I have a spreadsheet that I'd like to import, but I can't even get the
>> demo to work (see original message).
>>
>> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:29:21 PM UTC-7 History Buff wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to experiment with the xlsx-utils plugin from the xlsx
>>> edition of Tiddlywiki (https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/xlsx-utils/). It
>>> seems pretty straight forward to use, but I'm having trouble just getting
>>> the demo to work.
>>>
>>> I follow the instructions explicitly, but I keep getting the red screen
>>> of death with the following message:
>>>
>>> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'getTiddlerText' of undefined
>>>
>>> I have the import specification selected and I have not modified
>>> anything in any way. What am I missing?
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: xlsx-utils plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

Interesting idea. Thanks. I’ll have to check that out.


On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:46 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> History Buff
>
> The xlsx utils is a fantastic and sophisticated tool. I have not seen it
> getting any updates of late. Depending on the content of your spreadsheet
> you may want to consider exporting as csv and importing it on a wiki with
> the JSON mangler installed. You can then review it as a table and import
> the rows as tiddlers automatically packaged into a plugin.
>
> Personally I have a separate wiki for manipulating data then drop it on
> the target wiki.
>
> Tones
>
> On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 08:33:46 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>
>> Just bumping this up to the top in case it was missed.
>>
>> I have a spreadsheet that I'd like to import, but I can't even get the
>> demo to work (see original message).
>>
>> Any suggestions would be helpful.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:29:21 PM UTC-7 History Buff wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to experiment with the xlsx-utils plugin from the xlsx
>>> edition of Tiddlywiki (https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/xlsx-utils/). It
>>> seems pretty straight forward to use, but I'm having trouble just getting
>>> the demo to work.
>>>
>>> I follow the instructions explicitly, but I keep getting the red screen
>>> of death with the following message:
>>>
>>> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'getTiddlerText' of undefined
>>>
>>> I have the import specification selected and I have not modified
>>> anything in any way. What am I missing?
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Browse Widget question

[Damon Pritchett]

The photos reside in a folder below my single file TW. Ideally, I would
like to use relative links.

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Silly question: where are the photos residing?
>
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:33:21 PM UTC-3 History Buff wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> This is a similar question to one that I posted here:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/FOXNMvRWboc/m/bf5fQwPUBgAJ
>>
>> I'm wondering if it's possible to use the browse widget to select a file,
>> but instead of importing that file into the TW, I would like to extract the
>> filename and path to be used for creating links and putting into fields of
>> my choosing. I'd like this to be independent of file type (i.e., could be
>> used for text, image, whatever).
>>
>> I've found a discussion here
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/GG3dqXkQWTw/m/yq9HBdOuBwAJ, but
>> I didn't follow it completely so I'm not sure if it answers my question or
>> not.
>>
>> I'd really like to use the browse widget instead of drag and drop because
>> I want to be able to make this TW as easy as possible to use for my wife.
>> This is for a TW to organize our family photos.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Curious behavior

[Damon Pritchett]

No harm, no foul. I appreciate the tips as always.

Any thoughts on the code?


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:48 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Concatenate (at the end) is "adding a suffix almost by definition". I call
> it a suffix in this case because it clearly only comes at the end. and
> using the suffix operators is a way to concatenate.
>
> Please not I did not review the code you presented, just thought these
> tips may help.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 13:31:22 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tones,
>>
>> I’ve used limit in the past so am familiar with it. However, I’m not
>> understanding how it applies here. I’m not adding the filename as a suffix
>> in a filter (unless I’m really missing something which may be the case).
>> I’m using a small macro to concatenate the path with the filename.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:19 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> That result is common when your list is generating more instances that
>>> you expected.
>>>
>>> It suggest an error in your code. A Quick fix may be to introduce
>>> +[limit[1]] in the filter generating it.
>>> In this case we can see the problem is before adding the suffix image.jpg
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 11:21:08 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, I attempted to describe it in words which wasn't sufficient.

 What I want to result is the following (assume the filename is
 image.jpg):

 ./Archival_image/image.jpg

 What I actually get is this:


 ./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/image.jpg

 The number of times ./Archival_image/ is repeated seems random and, as
 I said, can be as many as two or three all the way up to eighteen.


 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 5:51:00 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Do share an example of the "corrupt values", if could point to the
> problem without jumping into the code, or will this code work on
> tiddlywiki.com, if not can you make it?
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 06:58:28 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have a macro that has several edit text widgets and a button to
>> save these inputs to the fields of a newly created tiddler (see code
>> below). I'm having some issues with one particular field, namely the
>> archive field. The input is the filename of the image and what should be
>> placed in the archive field of the new tiddler is:
>> ./Archival_images/filename. However, what ends up being placed in there 
>> is
>> the ./Archival_images/ string repeated a seemingly random number of 
>> times.
>> I've seen it repeated anywhere from three times to eighteen times. I've
>> tried slashes with both directions with no difference. I've also tried 
>> the
>> wikify widget without the output and mode options with no difference in
>> behavior. Any ideas on why that might be happening?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> \define newtext(image)
>>> src="./Images/$image$.webp">
>> \end
>>
>> \define newarchive(archive)
>>   ./Archival_images/$archive$
>> \end
>>
>> \define newImageEntry()
>>   <$vars
>> temp="$:/temp/NewImageEntry">
>> Image Filename:
>>   <$edit-text
>> tiddler=<>
>> field=filename
>> tag=input
>> class=fieldinput
>> size=64
>>   />
>> 
>> Archival Image Filename:
>>   <$edit-text
>> tiddler=<>
>> field=archive
>> tag=input
>> class=fieldinput
>> size=64
>>   />
>> 
>> Image Category:
>>   <$edit-text
>> tiddler=<>
>> field=category
>> tag=input
>> class=fieldinput
>> size=64
>> placeholder="Enter all categories separated by a comma."
>>   />
>> 
>> Image Label:
>>   <$edit-text
>> tiddler=<>
>> field=label
>> class=fieldinput
>> tag=input
>> placeholder="Enter a brief label for the image."
>> size=64
>>   />
>> 
>> Image Details:
>>   <$edit-text
>> tiddler=<>
>> field=details
>> class=fieldarea
>> tag=textarea
>> placeholder="Enter any detailed information about the image."
>>   />
>> 
>> Surnames:
>>   <$edit-text
>> tiddler=<>
>> field=surnames
>> tag=input
>> class=fieldinput
>> size=64
>> placeholder="Enter all surnames separated by a comma."
>>   />
>> 
>> <$button tooltip="save input">
>> 

Re: [tw5] Re: Curious behavior

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Tones,

I’ve used limit in the past so am familiar with it. However, I’m not
understanding how it applies here. I’m not adding the filename as a suffix
in a filter (unless I’m really missing something which may be the case).
I’m using a small macro to concatenate the path with the filename.


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:19 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> That result is common when your list is generating more instances that you
> expected.
>
> It suggest an error in your code. A Quick fix may be to introduce
> +[limit[1]] in the filter generating it.
> In this case we can see the problem is before adding the suffix image.jpg
>
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 11:21:08 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I attempted to describe it in words which wasn't sufficient.
>>
>> What I want to result is the following (assume the filename is image.jpg):
>>
>> ./Archival_image/image.jpg
>>
>> What I actually get is this:
>>
>>
>> ./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/./Archival_image/image.jpg
>>
>> The number of times ./Archival_image/ is repeated seems random and, as I
>> said, can be as many as two or three all the way up to eighteen.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 5:51:00 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Do share an example of the "corrupt values", if could point to the
>>> problem without jumping into the code, or will this code work on
>>> tiddlywiki.com, if not can you make it?
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 06:58:28 UTC+10 History Buff wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I have a macro that has several edit text widgets and a button to save
 these inputs to the fields of a newly created tiddler (see code below). I'm
 having some issues with one particular field, namely the archive field. The
 input is the filename of the image and what should be placed in the archive
 field of the new tiddler is: ./Archival_images/filename. However, what ends
 up being placed in there is the ./Archival_images/ string repeated a
 seemingly random number of times. I've seen it repeated anywhere from three
 times to eighteen times. I've tried slashes with both directions with no
 difference. I've also tried the wikify widget without the output and mode
 options with no difference in behavior. Any ideas on why that might be
 happening?

 Thanks in advance.


 \define newtext(image)
>>> src="./Images/$image$.webp">
 \end

 \define newarchive(archive)
   ./Archival_images/$archive$
 \end

 \define newImageEntry()
   <$vars
 temp="$:/temp/NewImageEntry">
 Image Filename:
   <$edit-text
 tiddler=<>
 field=filename
 tag=input
 class=fieldinput
 size=64
   />
 
 Archival Image Filename:
   <$edit-text
 tiddler=<>
 field=archive
 tag=input
 class=fieldinput
 size=64
   />
 
 Image Category:
   <$edit-text
 tiddler=<>
 field=category
 tag=input
 class=fieldinput
 size=64
 placeholder="Enter all categories separated by a comma."
   />
 
 Image Label:
   <$edit-text
 tiddler=<>
 field=label
 class=fieldinput
 tag=input
 placeholder="Enter a brief label for the image."
 size=64
   />
 
 Image Details:
   <$edit-text
 tiddler=<>
 field=details
 class=fieldarea
 tag=textarea
 placeholder="Enter any detailed information about the image."
   />
 
 Surnames:
   <$edit-text
 tiddler=<>
 field=surnames
 tag=input
 class=fieldinput
 size=64
 placeholder="Enter all surnames separated by a comma."
   />
 
 <$button tooltip="save input">
 {{$:/images/google-material-design/image/two-tone/24px/add-a-photo}} Add
 New Image
   <$vars
 filename={{{ [titleget[filename]] }}}
 archive={{{ [titleget[archive]] }}}
 category={{{ [titleget[category]] }}}
 label={{{ [titleget[label]] }}}
 details={{{ [titleget[details]] }}}
   >
   <$wikify name="text" text="""<$macrocall $name=newtext
 image=<> />""" output=html  mode=inline>
 <$wikify name="archive" text="""<$macrocall $name=newarchive
 archive=<> />""" output=html  mode=inline>
   <$set name="newtags"
 filter="[titleget[surnames]split[,]] [[image]]">
 <$action-createtiddler
   $basetitle=<>
   text=<>
   category=<>
   details=<>
  

Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin new release 2.2.0

[Damon Pritchett]

Hi Mohammad,

The issue turned out to be that the filter I was using had more results
than those displayed. I was using fields and the missing entries had no
fields but were listed by the filter. Once I updated the filter, the
results were correct.

As soon as I submitted the original message I figured out the issue and
deleted it. It’s actually convenient the way it works.

Damon

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 8:09 PM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> Damon,
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:06 PM History Buff 
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> I noticed something today about the pagination with dynamic tables. It
>> may be just my usage of it, but the count at the bottom is off.  When
>> there's only one row, the bottom says "Displaying 1 through 2 of 2
>> Results"; when there are two rows, it says "Displaying 1 through 3 of 3
>> Results"; and when there are 6 rows, it says "Displaying 1 through 9 of 9
>> Results". Am I doing something wrong?
>>
>> Here's the code I used to instantiate it:
>>
>> > fields:"date operation from to mileage constructed_by recipient"
>> pagination:"yes" sortOp:sortan caption:"''Operated Miles & Construction
>> History''" footerRows:"1">>
>>
>
> Would you please check the below wikitext and tell me what is the result?
> <$count filter="[titlekin:tags:to[]]"/>
>
> This is the filter you have used? The number of row is determined by this
> filter
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin new release 2.2.0

[Damon Pritchett]

Drag and drop because the library wasn’t working.

I also have single file TWs but I don’t know if that makes a difference.

Damon

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 9:23 AM Mohammad Rahmani 
wrote:

> Hi Damon,
>  Please let me know how you install the new version! is it through Kookma
> library or by drag and drop?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM History Buff 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Mohammad,
>>
>> Great work on the pagination for dynamic tables! I love it. So far it
>> works great, and I haven't found any issues.
>>
>> However, in the process of upgrading I noticed that your plugin library
>> seems to be not working. All of my TW projects show that there are no
>> plugins in the library and no upgrades available. Is it just me?
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 2:06:23 PM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Shiraz plugin has just got a new update!
>>>
>>> Shiraz is a small framework of stylesheets, templates and macros to
>>> create stylish contents in Tiddlywiki. Shiraz has customized elements like
>>> alerts, cards, panels, images, static tables, dynamic tables, badges,
>>> texts, etc. Shiraz uses some modified CSS classes from Bootstrap 4.3.1.
>>>
>>> Code and demo
>>>
>>>- Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>>>- Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>>
>>> *It is highly recommended to backup your data before trying any new
>>> plugin! Do it before installing shiraz*.
>>>
>>> Revision 2.2.0
>>>
>>>- Date: [3rd Mar 2021]
>>>- [FIXED] updated to TW 5.1.23
>>>- [NEW] the new pagination feature for dynamic tables
>>>- [NEW] the tbl-clone special column is used by default in table
>>>edit mode
>>>- [NEW] documentation for pagination was added
>>>- [NEW] details macro got new input parameters label, srcClass and
>>>sumClass added and style and sum were dropped
>>>
>>> Nice to see goodies like
>>>
>>>
>>>- https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fadvanced%2Fdetails-faqs
>>>- https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fadvanced%2Fslider-faqs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Filter based on integer field values less than or equal to

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Jeremy,

I saw that, but it was my understanding that it only operated on tiddler
titles. I need it to operate on a custom field.

Cheers,

Damon


On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:16 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Damon
>
> We now have a compare operator in the core that can do "less than"
> comparisons on numbers, dates and strings:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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>
> On 29 Nov 2020, at 19:14, History Buff  wrote:
>
> Joshua,
>
> I stumbled on this thread today while searching for "less than" in this
> group. Your compare fields filter is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks
> so much. It works amazingly.
>
> Damon
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:03:09 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> The core "compare[X]" operator only compare each "input title" to the
>> operand (i.e. X). It has options to compare strings, numbers, equal to,
>> greater than, etc BUT the limitation of only comparing input-title
>> means you would have to use "get[]" or similar to retrieve the data, thus
>> losing the "title" during the filter-processing.
>>
>> I don't think "subfilter[]" will help here, because the compare[] op, as
>> I said, returns the data that passes the compare-function given, NOT the
>> title.
>>
>> So I rolled my own. It is included in the JSONMangler plugin, but can be
>> pulled into any wiki if you go to the plugin-contents tab, and drag the
>> filter you want to your own wiki:
>>
>>
>> http://chronicles.wiki/TW5-JsonMangler/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fjoshuafontany%2Fjsonmangler
>>
>> You will want to drag and drop the
>>
>>- $:/plugins/joshuafontany/jsonmangler/modules/filters/comparefield.js
>>
>>  link in the contents tab.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joshua Fontany
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 1:34:39 PM UTC-7 scarab...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for a way to get tiddlers based on comparing integer fields
>>> existing in them. This filter works:
>>>
>>> [myfieldOne[2]myfieldTwo[2]]
>>>
>>> I'd like something like:
>>>
>>> [myfieldOne[lteq[2]]myfieldTwo[lteq[2]]]
>>>
>>> I know there are compare operators (
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#compare%20Operator), but I haven't figured out
>>> how to use it to filter the lists. Would this require a subfilter? If so,
>>> how would that look?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Sean
>>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks very much for the kind words. I really appreciate that. I'm very 
happy with the way that it has turned out.

Damon

On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Damon
>
> I followed this thread with interest. I've commented several times on past 
> on issues in presenting genealogical trees (I'm an anthropologist). 
>
> My first comment is you are doing really well with this! Actually managing 
> to depict trees that include spouses.
>
> The idea to use  a "pedigree" tree is I think the *right choice* for the 
> extant tools! Pedigree trees being ones with all children sharing a common 
> "blood" ancestor.
>
> Technically speaking your tree depicts a form of "ambilineal" descent, 
> where ...
>
>- sons AND daughters can both be counted in descent (cosanguines)
>- spouses (not part of descent) are recorded at point of marriage 
>(affinity), but then fall away, not being part of the "pedigree".
>
> This makes your approach compatible with Western kinship systems (which 
> are bilateral) and gives understandable charts. 
> I mean, charts without any reference to spouses are not really Western 
> kinship (I.e. just matrinlineal or patrilineal descent, not bilateral).
>
> The one technical thing I know is that the "list" approach (I.e The 
> fundamental structure of final HTML  s that do the presentation) as far 
> as I can seen *can only possibly depict lineal descent*.
>
> But you managed to (1) add spouses (affines) at branch level in a way that 
> can work and makes the outcome viable as a real chart; (2) that is 
> compatible with bilateral descent. 
>
> Just FYI there have been several discussions of possible ways to code 
> genealogical charts in this group. Let me know if you'd like me to find 
> them for you.
> That said, basically, in terms of outcome, you are hitting the nail on the 
> head elegantly!
>
> I would love to see your finished wiki, if, when done, you are willing to 
> share it.
>
> Very best wishes
> TT
>
>
> On Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:13:30 UTC+2, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> So my first task in changing over to fields was to get Tidgraph to work 
>> with a father field and a mother field. I spent a couple of hours on this 
>> trying to get Tidgraph to show the parents, but I was unable to do so. The 
>> only way that I have been able to get Tidgraph to do what I wanted was to 
>> have a parents field and the father and mother separated by a semicolon. I 
>> could then use a filter as the mode in Tidgraph to separate the two.  I 
>> really didn't care for this approach. For the time being, I'm sticking with 
>> the tags approach until I can figure out either a way to get Tidgraph to do 
>> what I'm looking to do or use Tony's suggestion of a CSS approach.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:27:54 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I've spent the last few days working on a new wiki for use with my 
>>> family history. I'm going to use it, not as a substitute for my genealogy 
>>> program, but as a supplement to keep track of documentation and such. In so 
>>> doing, I've managed to figure out a nice way of using tidgraph to generate 
>>> my pedigree chart and I've written a "children of" using nested list 
>>> widgets. I have tiddlers for each person with that person's parents as 
>>> tags. With tidgraph, I was able to get the desired behavior by using 
>>> mode="tags[]" instead of tagging which is the default. Tidgraph is a 
>>> wonderful plugin and it's too bad that it doesn't seem to be supported any 
>>> longer. I'm still learning Javascript, so am a long way from making any 
>>> changes to it myself.
>>>
>>> I've created a ViewTemplate that I've included here:
>>> \import [title]
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]search:description[People]]">
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> <$tidgraph start=<> mode="tags[]sort[sex]reverse[]" 
>>> maxdepth="2" nocollapse />
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]has:field[birth]] 
>>> [all[current]has:field[death]]">
>>> 
>>>   Birth / Death:
>>>   
>>> Birth
>>> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
>>> <>
>>>   
>>>   
>>> Death
>>> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!death}}/>
>>> <>
>>>

[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Tony,

Maybe I'm not understanding what you just said, but I thought that's 
basically what I did with the last macro iteration. Are you suggesting that 
I do something different than my last iteration? 

Damon

On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 4:51:26 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Do remember that the kin filter is ideal for subtracting one list (or 
> more) lists from another so if you list the children of a father and 
> subtract the children of other mothers the remaining will be the only the 
> children of the remaining mother. However with the kin filter you could 
> list the children of a mother where the father equals the person who's 
> children you wish to list you are after.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 3:04:53 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> After some more playing around, I discovered that there was still a bug. 
>> In one of my previous posts, I should some pictures of a couple of the 
>> outputs of my macro. If you look at Carl Anders Fehr, you will notice that 
>> he had two spouses and children by both. They macro worked great when he 
>> was the starting person, but if one of his spouses were the starting 
>> person, the macro would show all of Carl's children and not just the 
>> children of that particular spouse. After noodling it for a while and 
>> sleeping on it, I realized what the problem was. I needed to subtract the 
>> children that didn't belong. The following new macro fixes that problem:
>> \define each-other-level()
>> <$list filter="[all[current]]" variable="Parent">
>>   
>> <$list filter=
>> "[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]"
>> >
>>   
>> with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>> >
>> <$list filter=
>> "[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
>>   -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!parents-
>> marriage}}/>
>> 
>> 
>>   <$list 
>> filter="[titlekin:tags:to:1[]sortan[birth]!title]
>>  -[!kin:tags:to]">
>> 
>>   <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>> > -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
>>   <>
>>     
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> \end
>>
>>
>> \define descendants()
>>   ''Descendants of <$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>
>> ''
>>   <>
>> \end
>>
>> Assuming I don't find any bugs in this one, then it's off to investigate 
>> using fields instead of tags as Tony has suggested
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:27:54 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I've spent the last few days working on a new wiki for use with my 
>>> family history. I'm going to use it, not as a substitute for my genealogy 
>>> program, but as a supplement to keep track of documentation and such. In so 
>>> doing, I've managed to figure out a nice way of using tidgraph to generate 
>>> my pedigree chart and I've written a "children of" using nested list 
>>> widgets. I have tiddlers for each person with that person's parents as 
>>> tags. With tidgraph, I was able to get the desired behavior by using 
>>> mode="tags[]" instead of tagging which is the default. Tidgraph is a 
>>> wonderful plugin and it's too bad that it doesn't seem to be supported any 
>>> longer. I'm still learning Javascript, so am a long way from making any 
>>> changes to it myself.
>>>
>>> I've created a ViewTemplate that I've included here:
>>> \import [title]
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]search:description[People]]">
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> <$tidgraph start=<> mode="tags[]sort[sex]reverse[]" 
>>> maxdepth="2" nocollapse />
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]has:field[birth]] 
>>> [all[current]has:field[death]]">
>>> 
>>>   Birth / Death:
>>>   
>>> Birth
>>> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
>>> <>
>>>   
>>>   
>>> Death
>>> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!dea

[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

So my first task in changing over to fields was to get Tidgraph to work 
with a father field and a mother field. I spent a couple of hours on this 
trying to get Tidgraph to show the parents, but I was unable to do so. The 
only way that I have been able to get Tidgraph to do what I wanted was to 
have a parents field and the father and mother separated by a semicolon. I 
could then use a filter as the mode in Tidgraph to separate the two.  I 
really didn't care for this approach. For the time being, I'm sticking with 
the tags approach until I can figure out either a way to get Tidgraph to do 
what I'm looking to do or use Tony's suggestion of a CSS approach.

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:27:54 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I've spent the last few days working on a new wiki for use with my family 
> history. I'm going to use it, not as a substitute for my genealogy program, 
> but as a supplement to keep track of documentation and such. In so doing, 
> I've managed to figure out a nice way of using tidgraph to generate my 
> pedigree chart and I've written a "children of" using nested list widgets. 
> I have tiddlers for each person with that person's parents as tags. With 
> tidgraph, I was able to get the desired behavior by using mode="tags[]" 
> instead of tagging which is the default. Tidgraph is a wonderful plugin and 
> it's too bad that it doesn't seem to be supported any longer. I'm still 
> learning Javascript, so am a long way from making any changes to it myself.
>
> I've created a ViewTemplate that I've included here:
> \import [title]
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]search:description[People]]">
>
> 
>
>
> <$tidgraph start=<> mode="tags[]sort[sex]reverse[]" 
> maxdepth="2" nocollapse />
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]has:field[birth]] 
> [all[current]has:field[death]]">
> 
>   Birth / Death:
>   
> Birth
> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
> <>
>   
>   
> Death
> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!death}}/>
> <>
>   
> 
> 
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]]" variable="Parent">
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]search:description[People]limit[1]]" 
> variable=null>
>
> 
>   Children of <>:
>   
> <$list 
> filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
>   with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
> field='title'/>
> <$list 
> filter="[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
>   -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
> date={{!!parents-marriage}}/>
> 
> 
>   <$list filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]]">
> <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
> field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
> date={{!!birth}}/>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[current]backlinks[]!search:description[People]!is[missing]limit[1]]"
>  
> variable=null>
>
> < filter:"[titlebacklinks[]!search:description[People]]" 
> fields:"tbl-expand record-date description title" sortOp:sortan 
> stateTiddler:"recordsearch" class:"highlight1" editButton:no 
> caption:"''Mentioned or connected with the following records:''">>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> The result is this:
>
>
>
> I'm suing the class "list-tree" which has been around for quite a while 
> and created by Mat. There's also a dynamic table called out from the Shiraz 
> plugin that I use to show any documents that the person is listed in.
>
> This all works just how I want it to work, but being that my skills at 
> Tiddlywiki are still forming, I'm wondering if there might be a more 
> efficient or effective way of doing the same thing. I am definitely open to 
> any better ways of doing things.
>
> I'm also thinking of expanding the "children of" code to a recursive macro 
> to get multiple generations, but I don't know exactly how to proceed down 
> that path. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
>
> Feel free to use this code if you think you'd find it useful. I only ask 
> that, if you make any improvements or additions, that you let me know so I 
> might incorporate those.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

After some more playing around, I discovered that there was still a bug. In 
one of my previous posts, I should some pictures of a couple of the outputs 
of my macro. If you look at Carl Anders Fehr, you will notice that he had 
two spouses and children by both. They macro worked great when he was the 
starting person, but if one of his spouses were the starting person, the 
macro would show all of Carl's children and not just the children of that 
particular spouse. After noodling it for a while and sleeping on it, I 
realized what the problem was. I needed to subtract the children that 
didn't belong. The following new macro fixes that problem:
\define each-other-level()
<$list filter="[all[current]]" variable="Parent">
  
<$list filter=
"[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
  
with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>
<$list filter=
"[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
  -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!parents-marriage
}}/>


  <$list 
filter="[titlekin:tags:to:1[]sortan[birth]!title]
 -[!kin:tags:to]">

  <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
  <>

  

  

  

\end


\define descendants()
  ''Descendants of <$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>''
  <>
\end

Assuming I don't find any bugs in this one, then it's off to investigate 
using fields instead of tags as Tony has suggested






On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:27:54 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I've spent the last few days working on a new wiki for use with my family 
> history. I'm going to use it, not as a substitute for my genealogy program, 
> but as a supplement to keep track of documentation and such. In so doing, 
> I've managed to figure out a nice way of using tidgraph to generate my 
> pedigree chart and I've written a "children of" using nested list widgets. 
> I have tiddlers for each person with that person's parents as tags. With 
> tidgraph, I was able to get the desired behavior by using mode="tags[]" 
> instead of tagging which is the default. Tidgraph is a wonderful plugin and 
> it's too bad that it doesn't seem to be supported any longer. I'm still 
> learning Javascript, so am a long way from making any changes to it myself.
>
> I've created a ViewTemplate that I've included here:
> \import [title]
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]search:description[People]]">
>
> 
>
>
> <$tidgraph start=<> mode="tags[]sort[sex]reverse[]" 
> maxdepth="2" nocollapse />
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]has:field[birth]] 
> [all[current]has:field[death]]">
> 
>   Birth / Death:
>   
> Birth
> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
> <>
>   
>   
> Death
> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!death}}/>
> <>
>   
> 
> 
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]]" variable="Parent">
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]search:description[People]limit[1]]" 
> variable=null>
>
> 
>   Children of <>:
>   
> <$list 
> filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
>   with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
> field='title'/>
> <$list 
> filter="[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
>   -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
> date={{!!parents-marriage}}/>
> 
> 
>   <$list filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]]">
> <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
> field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
> date={{!!birth}}/>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[current]backlinks[]!search:description[People]!is[missing]limit[1]]"
>  
> variable=null>
>
> < filter:"[titlebacklinks[]!search:description[People]]" 
> fields:"tbl-expand record-date description title" sortOp:sortan 
> stateTiddler:"recordsearch" class:"highlight1" editButton:no 
> caption:"''Mentioned or connected with the following records:''">>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> The result is this:
>
>
>
> I'm suing the cl

[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

As I was thinking about what Mat had suggested, I had a thought. I realized 
that I had to reverse the order of the list filters and all is well. Here's 
the new code.

\define each-other-level()
  
<$list filter=
"[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
  
with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>
<$list filter=
"[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
  -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!parents-marriage
}}/>
 

  <$list 
filter="[titlekin:tags:to:1[]sortan[birth]!title]">

  <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
  <>
    
      
    
  

  
\end


\define descendants()
  <>
\end




On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:27:54 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I've spent the last few days working on a new wiki for use with my family 
> history. I'm going to use it, not as a substitute for my genealogy program, 
> but as a supplement to keep track of documentation and such. In so doing, 
> I've managed to figure out a nice way of using tidgraph to generate my 
> pedigree chart and I've written a "children of" using nested list widgets. 
> I have tiddlers for each person with that person's parents as tags. With 
> tidgraph, I was able to get the desired behavior by using mode="tags[]" 
> instead of tagging which is the default. Tidgraph is a wonderful plugin and 
> it's too bad that it doesn't seem to be supported any longer. I'm still 
> learning Javascript, so am a long way from making any changes to it myself.
>
> I've created a ViewTemplate that I've included here:
> \import [title]
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]search:description[People]]">
>
> 
>
>
> <$tidgraph start=<> mode="tags[]sort[sex]reverse[]" 
> maxdepth="2" nocollapse />
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]has:field[birth]] 
> [all[current]has:field[death]]">
> 
>   Birth / Death:
>   
> Birth
> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
> <>
>   
>   
> Death
> <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!death}}/>
> <>
>   
> 
> 
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]]" variable="Parent">
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]search:description[People]limit[1]]" 
> variable=null>
>
> 
>   Children of <>:
>   
> <$list 
> filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
>   with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
> field='title'/>
> <$list 
> filter="[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
>   -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
> date={{!!parents-marriage}}/>
> 
> 
>   <$list filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]]">
> <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
> field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
> date={{!!birth}}/>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[current]backlinks[]!search:description[People]!is[missing]limit[1]]"
>  
> variable=null>
>
> < filter:"[titlebacklinks[]!search:description[People]]" 
> fields:"tbl-expand record-date description title" sortOp:sortan 
> stateTiddler:"recordsearch" class:"highlight1" editButton:no 
> caption:"''Mentioned or connected with the following records:''">>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> The result is this:
>
>
>
> I'm suing the class "list-tree" which has been around for quite a while 
> and created by Mat. There's also a dynamic table called out from the Shiraz 
> plugin that I use to show any documents that the person is listed in.
>
> This all works just how I want it to work, but being that my skills at 
> Tiddlywiki are still forming, I'm wondering if there might be a more 
> efficient or effective way of doing the same thing. I am definitely open to 
> any better ways of doing things.
>
> I'm also thinking of expanding the "children of" code to a recursive macro 
> to get multiple generations, but I don't know exactly how to proceed down 
> that path. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
>
> Feel free to use this code if you think you'd find it useful. I only ask 
> that, if you make any improvements or additions, that you let me know so I 
> might incorporate those.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Hmm. Possibly. I'll have to think about how to do that.

Is there something fundamentally wrong with my macro the way it is?

Damon

On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 12:06:59 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Maybe a workaround; could you introduce a "ghost" that is one level above 
> and that is not shown and whose non-appearing spouse is irrelevant if it 
> shows or not?
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

In an attempt to show all descendants of a person instead of just the 
children, I've written a macro to do the recursive listing. It works great 
except for one thing; on the very first pass or top level, the spouses 
aren't listed (the code is below the examples). It lists the descendants of 
the top level, but the part that says "with" doesn't happen. When I pick a 
level higher, then it does show. Here's a screenshot of one top level with 
no spouses:

Now here's the next level up:


As you can see, only the top level is missing the "with" and the spouse. 
I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong, but it's so close.


\define each-other-level()
  
<$list filter=
"[titlekin:tags:to:1[]sortan[birth]!title]">

  <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
  
<$list filter=
"[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
  
with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view field='title'/>
<$list filter=
"[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
  -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!parents-
marriage}}/>

<>
  

  


  
\end


\define descendants()
  <>
\end


On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Birthe,
>
> I do not think it racist, to be interested in ones family tree, just that 
> many racists will be interested in theirs, because they seek racial purity, 
> hence more likely to use the term "pedigree" as if their inheritance is 
> superior to another, which is the concept behind breading and animal 
> pedigree's. 
>
> Experience suggests however a truthful family tree often exposes to a 
> racists, that that have the blood of the races that they belittle, 
> somewhere in their tree, at least in a young (in modern terms) country like 
> Australia. 
>
> All racial purity is to some degree inbreeding.
>
> Our Australian indigenous people have being here more than 65,000 years, 
> as time has passed since colonisation, having aboriginal blood is 
> increasingly an honour rather than a curse. The Australian aboriginal 
> represents the longest continuous culture in human history. We even find 
> records of the rising sea levels after the ice age 12,000 years ago, How 
> old is Egypt or the Chinese civilisation?   
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 10:54:00 AM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> TW Tones,
>>
>> It can be of historic interest. It is also a great hobby for many. 
>> I myself inherited at handwritten book, wrote by each generation - very 
>> old and delicate. It was always inherited by the oldest son. I was the 
>> first daughter to inherit it, due to being the one and only left.
>> The book also has the first written words by me. As a small child, not 
>> knowing how to write or spell, I got my grandmother to show me, how to 
>> write the name of the brother I should have had, but that died before i was 
>> born. I thought it wrong he never went into the bookand wrote it very 
>> ugly.
>>
>> It must have been of interest to somebody, because it was stolen shortly 
>> after I inherited it- by one of the guests at the funeralthat tells 
>> more about people that the book did. I do not know why you think racist? 
>> You never know what you will find it your tree! 
>> You should know that from the use you mentioned in dog breading.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> tirsdag den 30. juni 2020 kl. 02.28.04 UTC+2 skrev TW Tones:
>>>
>>> Damon,
>>>
>>> Just another name for a genealogical tree really. I am familiar with it 
>>> from dog breeding. It depends on how one values ones genetic tree, I 
>>> suspect racists value it more than others ;)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

That may be, but it is a valuable visualization tool if you're into 
genealogy. It's a standard term and use.

On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 5:28:04 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Just another name for a genealogical tree really. I am familiar with it 
> from dog breeding. It depends on how one values ones genetic tree, I 
> suspect racists value it more than others ;)
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 1:40:59 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Not sure how that began being used in genealogy, but they have been as 
>> long as I’ve been researching my family which is over 30 years. They are 
>> very convenient for visualizing ancestors. Wikipedia has an article about 
>> them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_chart. 
>>
>> Don’t know if that answered your question or not. 
>>
>> Damon
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Not sure how that began being used in genealogy, but they have been as long as 
I’ve been researching my family which is over 30 years. They are very 
convenient for visualizing ancestors. Wikipedia has an article about them here: 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_chart. 

Don’t know if that answered your question or not. 

Damon

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Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Tony. Interesting thoughts. By pedigree I mean the first figure that 
Tidgraph generated. It’s a chart that shows the ancestors of a person 
graphically. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Tony. Interesting thoughts. By pedigree I mean the first figure that
Tidgraph generated. It’s a chart that shows the ancestors of a person
graphically.



On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:05 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Damon,
>
> I am afraid I am not sure what you mean by pedigree.
>
> Look at my recent post Jumping into streams
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/tiddlywiki/VxXNkf92k4A> it
> includes a simple TOC via recursive code, I expect if you come to
> understand that you should be able to handle your recursive processes. A
> Little more complex is the existing toc macros $:/core/macros/toc, in part
> because they protect you from becoming your own grandfather, but they
> involve a single parent tree by tag.
>
> Tidgraph is simple in someways, so I believe it could be rebuilt by other
> means. Particularly a css based way to represent any list like tiddgraph.
> After all a nested button list is basically the same thing without the
> lines. Not that I know CSS enough, others do.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 12:55:15 PM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tony. I really do appreciate your insight. I will be the first to
>> admit that I have a lot to learn.
>>
>> I actually started this little project using a separate field for mother
>> and father, but I switched to tags because it was easier to make it work
>> with Tidgraph. I couldn’t quite figure out how to make it use only those
>> two fields and not the others (birth, death, etc.) I did make it work with
>> a parents field with the mother and father separated by a “;” bit I really
>> didn’t like that for obvious reasons. Tidgraph worked well with the two
>> tags because I could specify mode=“tags[]” and all was well since they were
>> the only tags I intended to use. Using fields[] instead would have listed
>> all fields and stopped there. Tidgraph is the easiest way to generate a
>> pedigree chart.
>>
>> Once I got that, then I went to work on the “children of” list. Since I
>> already went down the tag path, I stuck with it. Generating a descendant
>> list was easy with the toc macros, but they couldn’t include the spouses so
>> I rolled my own. I will not claim it is the best approach. Just easiest at
>> the time and it served my purpose.  I wasn’t looking to replace my
>> genealogy program; just provide a quick snapshot for reference.
>>
>> Having said all of that, I’m definitely open to ideas and look forward to
>> seeing your ideas and TT’s as well.
>>
>> Now a question. If I were to go back to mother and father fields, how
>> could I get similar looking results for both pedigree and children? That’s
>> where I got stuck in the first place.
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:29 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Damon,
>>>
>>> The reason I suggested against tags is you then have to differentiate
>>> between tags. On the surface there is no immediate difference between a
>>> mother or father-name tag. This can be solved, but if a person had a mother
>>> and father field, it would be unambiguous. With TOCP you can use other
>>> fields. What if you wanted to add a clan tag?, this would also need
>>> checking.
>>>
>>> However genealogy can get seriously complex, Lets see if TT/Josiah takes
>>> the bait and shares some of his resources so far.
>>>
>>> I do intend to provide the tools one day for a full and sophisticated
>>> genealogical tree, consider step children, second spouse, birth date and
>>> multiple marriages and death. What is the implication of twins and and
>>> multiple birth?, well in my family tree it allowed us to to identify a
>>> whole tree of relatives even although the father was unknown. Multiple
>>> births are an example of proven FULL siblings.
>>>
>>> However it will take some time, because I am collecting the mechanisms
>>> to make it highly extensible and support other networks and hierarchies as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Needless to say it will use tocp, Kin, and recursion and possible
>>> GenTags.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Tony,
>>>>
>>>> I have done quite a bit of searching and, at least so far, I have found
>>>> no solutions to the problem I was trying to address, just comments on how
>>>> difficult the problem is when there are bi-lineal relationships.
>&g

Re: [tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Tony. I really do appreciate your insight. I will be the first to
admit that I have a lot to learn.

I actually started this little project using a separate field for mother
and father, but I switched to tags because it was easier to make it work
with Tidgraph. I couldn’t quite figure out how to make it use only those
two fields and not the others (birth, death, etc.) I did make it work with
a parents field with the mother and father separated by a “;” bit I really
didn’t like that for obvious reasons. Tidgraph worked well with the two
tags because I could specify mode=“tags[]” and all was well since they were
the only tags I intended to use. Using fields[] instead would have listed
all fields and stopped there. Tidgraph is the easiest way to generate a
pedigree chart.

Once I got that, then I went to work on the “children of” list. Since I
already went down the tag path, I stuck with it. Generating a descendant
list was easy with the toc macros, but they couldn’t include the spouses so
I rolled my own. I will not claim it is the best approach. Just easiest at
the time and it served my purpose.  I wasn’t looking to replace my
genealogy program; just provide a quick snapshot for reference.

Having said all of that, I’m definitely open to ideas and look forward to
seeing your ideas and TT’s as well.

Now a question. If I were to go back to mother and father fields, how could
I get similar looking results for both pedigree and children? That’s where
I got stuck in the first place.

Damon


On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:29 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Damon,
>
> The reason I suggested against tags is you then have to differentiate
> between tags. On the surface there is no immediate difference between a
> mother or father-name tag. This can be solved, but if a person had a mother
> and father field, it would be unambiguous. With TOCP you can use other
> fields. What if you wanted to add a clan tag?, this would also need
> checking.
>
> However genealogy can get seriously complex, Lets see if TT/Josiah takes
> the bait and shares some of his resources so far.
>
> I do intend to provide the tools one day for a full and sophisticated
> genealogical tree, consider step children, second spouse, birth date and
> multiple marriages and death. What is the implication of twins and and
> multiple birth?, well in my family tree it allowed us to to identify a
> whole tree of relatives even although the father was unknown. Multiple
> births are an example of proven FULL siblings.
>
> However it will take some time, because I am collecting the mechanisms to
> make it highly extensible and support other networks and hierarchies as
> well.
>
> Needless to say it will use tocp, Kin, and recursion and possible GenTags.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tony,
>>
>> I have done quite a bit of searching and, at least so far, I have found
>> no solutions to the problem I was trying to address, just comments on how
>> difficult the problem is when there are bi-lineal relationships.
>>
>> I may not have put enough explanation in my initial post. What I might
>> not be making clear (see "children of" picture) is that Person 1 is, say,
>> the father and Persons 2 & 3 are the mothers. Persons 4 and 5 have the same
>> "father," but not the same mother. That's why I have the word "with" before
>> the names.
>>
>> I played with Kin filter to replicate what I had and couldn't quite get
>> there. I came close, but couldn't get past the "flatness" of the lists
>> generated by the kin filter Maybe I gave up too soon, but since I had a
>> solution that worked, I didn't want to spend any further time on it.
>>
>> I've used the TOCP plugin a lot in my wikis and love it. At this point, I
>> don't see the problem changing whether I use fields or tags, but I could be
>> wrong. I used tags for this because of the operators tags and tagging which
>> made things relatively easy.
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 5:02:02 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>>
>>> Damon,
>>>
>>> One way to use the kin filter is to use one kin filter and add or
>>> subtract the titles from another kin filter. so you could subtract your
>>> family (your parents below) from that below your grandparents family the
>>> result will be you aunts uncles cousins etc..
>>>
>>> If using tags to indicate parentage you have to check the the parent to
>>> determine if they are father or mother, to to make sure the tags is not for
>>> something else. I suggest moving relationships into fields not tags (If you
>>&g

[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Tony,
 
I have done quite a bit of searching and, at least so far, I have found no 
solutions to the problem I was trying to address, just comments on how 
difficult the problem is when there are bi-lineal relationships.

I may not have put enough explanation in my initial post. What I might not 
be making clear (see "children of" picture) is that Person 1 is, say, the 
father and Persons 2 & 3 are the mothers. Persons 4 and 5 have the same 
"father," but not the same mother. That's why I have the word "with" before 
the names. 

I played with Kin filter to replicate what I had and couldn't quite get 
there. I came close, but couldn't get past the "flatness" of the lists 
generated by the kin filter Maybe I gave up too soon, but since I had a 
solution that worked, I didn't want to spend any further time on it. 

I've used the TOCP plugin a lot in my wikis and love it. At this point, I 
don't see the problem changing whether I use fields or tags, but I could be 
wrong. I used tags for this because of the operators tags and tagging which 
made things relatively easy.

Damon


On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 5:02:02 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> One way to use the kin filter is to use one kin filter and add or subtract 
> the titles from another kin filter. so you could subtract your family (your 
> parents below) from that below your grandparents family the result will be 
> you aunts uncles cousins etc.. 
>
> If using tags to indicate parentage you have to check the the parent to 
> determine if they are father or mother, to to make sure the tags is not for 
> something else. I suggest moving relationships into fields not tags (If you 
> had not already).
>
> Also the TOCP plugin or a variation along with the kin filter operating on 
> fields rather than tags is possibly the way to go building a genealogical 
> tree. Do Search the forum, TT and others have done a lot of genealogical 
> work with Tiddlywiki.
>
> You will find in the forums recursive toc and macros discussed a few times 
> that could help you build a full system that iterates trees.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 6:14:02 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> I've played around with the kin filter today and it is a fine replacement 
>> for part of what I wrote. However, (see the Person 1 picture for reference) 
>> to show the children of Person one along with the spouse/partner who was 
>> the other parent of the given child, takes the additional steps that I took 
>> in my code. The Kin filter cannot do this by itself. The Kin filter will 
>> list all of the descendants for Person 1, but that list is a flat list and 
>> has no hierarchy to it and will not list the spouses because they are not 
>> direct descendants (at least, I haven't been able to figure out how to do 
>> it).
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:47:48 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> Saq,
>>>
>>> I have used it before and it just never occurred to me to use it in this 
>>> aspect. Thanks for the reminder. I will look into that tomorrow. What I did 
>>> was a great learning experience for me but kin filter will likely work 
>>> better. 
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

I've played around with the kin filter today and it is a fine replacement 
for part of what I wrote. However, (see the Person 1 picture for reference) 
to show the children of Person one along with the spouse/partner who was 
the other parent of the given child, takes the additional steps that I took 
in my code. The Kin filter cannot do this by itself. The Kin filter will 
list all of the descendants for Person 1, but that list is a flat list and 
has no hierarchy to it and will not list the spouses because they are not 
direct descendants (at least, I haven't been able to figure out how to do 
it).

Damon


On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:47:48 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Saq,
>
> I have used it before and it just never occurred to me to use it in this 
> aspect. Thanks for the reminder. I will look into that tomorrow. What I did 
> was a great learning experience for me but kin filter will likely work 
> better. 
>
> Thanks 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

Saq,

I have used it before and it just never occurred to me to use it in this 
aspect. Thanks for the reminder. I will look into that tomorrow. What I did was 
a great learning experience for me but kin filter will likely work better. 

Thanks 

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[tw5] Family History wiki

[Damon Pritchett]

All,

I've spent the last few days working on a new wiki for use with my family 
history. I'm going to use it, not as a substitute for my genealogy program, 
but as a supplement to keep track of documentation and such. In so doing, 
I've managed to figure out a nice way of using tidgraph to generate my 
pedigree chart and I've written a "children of" using nested list widgets. 
I have tiddlers for each person with that person's parents as tags. With 
tidgraph, I was able to get the desired behavior by using mode="tags[]" 
instead of tagging which is the default. Tidgraph is a wonderful plugin and 
it's too bad that it doesn't seem to be supported any longer. I'm still 
learning Javascript, so am a long way from making any changes to it myself.

I've created a ViewTemplate that I've included here:
\import [title]

<$list filter="[all[current]search:description[People]]">




<$tidgraph start=<> mode="tags[]sort[sex]reverse[]" 
maxdepth="2" nocollapse />

<$list filter="[all[current]has:field[birth]] 
[all[current]has:field[death]]">

  Birth / Death:
  
Birth
<$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!birth}}/>
<>
  
  
Death
<$macrocall $name="date-str" date={{!!death}}/>
<>
  



<$list filter="[all[current]]" variable="Parent">

<$list filter="[all[current]tagging[]search:description[People]limit[1]]" 
variable=null>


  Children of <>:
  
<$list 
filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]tags[]!title]">
  with: <$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
field='title'/>
<$list 
filter="[titletagging[]limit[1]has[parents-marriage]]">
  -> married: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
date={{!!parents-marriage}}/>


  <$list filter="[titletagging[]sortan[birth]]">
<$link><$view field='caption'><$view 
field='title'/> -> born: <$macrocall $name="date-str" 
date={{!!birth}}/>
  

  

  






<$list 
filter="[all[current]backlinks[]!search:description[People]!is[missing]limit[1]]"
 
variable=null>

>









The result is this:



I'm suing the class "list-tree" which has been around for quite a while and 
created by Mat. There's also a dynamic table called out from the Shiraz 
plugin that I use to show any documents that the person is listed in.

This all works just how I want it to work, but being that my skills at 
Tiddlywiki are still forming, I'm wondering if there might be a more 
efficient or effective way of doing the same thing. I am definitely open to 
any better ways of doing things.

I'm also thinking of expanding the "children of" code to a recursive macro 
to get multiple generations, but I don't know exactly how to proceed down 
that path. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

Feel free to use this code if you think you'd find it useful. I only ask 
that, if you make any improvements or additions, that you let me know so I 
might incorporate those.

Thanks,

Damon





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[tw5] Re: Links within fields

[Damon Pritchett]

Eric / Tony,

As always, thank you so much. Everything you both said makes perfect 
sense.  I appreciate the input very much. Thanks to both of you, I'm 
learning a great deal about Tiddlywiki.

Damon

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:48:59 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Pretty quick question from someone who knows just enough to do something 
> stupid. I'm starting down the road of having tiddler titles in custom 
> fields with the square brackets around the title so the field turns into a 
> link when displayed. Before I go too far down this path, I'd like to know 
> if this is a path fraught with peril. Is there a reason I shouldn't be 
> doing this and, if so, is there a better way to do it? I've started down 
> that road because I want to use fields instead of tags so that the number 
> of tags doesn't get too large.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Links within fields

[Damon Pritchett]

All,

Pretty quick question from someone who knows just enough to do something 
stupid. I'm starting down the road of having tiddler titles in custom 
fields with the square brackets around the title so the field turns into a 
link when displayed. Before I go too far down this path, I'd like to know 
if this is a path fraught with peril. Is there a reason I shouldn't be 
doing this and, if so, is there a better way to do it? I've started down 
that road because I want to use fields instead of tags so that the number 
of tags doesn't get too large.

Thanks,

Damon

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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Springer,

Sorry, I should have done that in the first place. I decided I wanted to do 
this because of the way I was filtering the tiddlers that I wanted in the 
tables. I'm already filtering on the tag that I wanted excluded so I know 
that everyone of the table rows has that tag. I wanted to be able to 
quickly see all of the other tags present. It also allows me to see which 
tiddlers don't have tags aside from the one I didn't want displayed.

Here's my template tiddler:

<$reveal type="nomatch" stateTitle=<> stateIndex="mode" 
text="edit" tag="td">
<$list filter="[titletags[]] -[!tag]">

<$set name="transclusion" value=<>>
<$macrocall $name="tag-pill-body" tag=<> icon={{!!icon}} 
colour={{!!color}} palette={{$:/palette}} element-tag="""$button""" 
element-attributes="""popup=<> 
dragFilter='[all[current]tagging[]]' tag='span'"""/>
<$reveal state=<> style="position:absolute; z-index:;" 
type="popup" position="below" animate="yes" class="tc-drop-down">
<$set name="tv-show-missing-links" value="yes">
<$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/>

<$list 
filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/TagDropdown]!has[draft.of]]" 
variable="listItem"> 
<$transclude tiddler=<>/> 


<$macrocall $name="list-tagged-draggable" tag=<>/>





<$reveal type="match" stateTitle=<> stateIndex="mode" 
text="edit" tag="td">

<$list filter="[getindex[sortIndex]match]" 
variable=ignore
emptyMessage=<> >
 <>



And here's my call of the dynamic tables:

Enter the name or a filing date for charters. The date format is -mm-dd. 
Search is not case sensitive on the name.


<$set name="filteredtag" value="Railroads">


<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch/input" tag="input" default="" 
placeholder="-mm-dd or name" /> 
<$button> search
  <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch" text={{$:/temp/mysearch/
input}} />

<$button> reset
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch" text=""/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch/input" text=""/>



Result count: <$count filter="[tagsearch:charterfiled{$:/temp/
mysearch}] [tagsearch:title{$:/temp/mysearch}]"/>


<$reveal state="$:/temp/mysearch" type="nomatch" text="">
  <$list filter="[tag{$:/temp/mysearch}minlength[3]]" 
emptyMessage="Search is too short" >
<$list filter="[tag[$:/temp/mysearch]has[text]]" 
emptyMessage="No search string" variable=nul>
  
<search:charterfiled{$:
/temp/mysearch}] [tagsearch:title{$:/temp/mysearch}]" 
fields:"title 
charterfiled statefiled chartervolume charterpages rrfield" sortOp:sortan 
stateTiddler:"datesearch" caption:"''Table 1. Railroad Charter Status.''">>
<search:charterfiled{$:
/temp/mysearch}] [tagsearch:title{$:/temp/mysearch}]" 
fields:"title 
charterfiled tags successiondate" sortOp:sortan stateTiddler:"datesearch" 
caption:"''Table 2. Railroad Succession.''">>
<search:charterfiled{$:
/temp/mysearch}] [tagsearch:title{$:/temp/mysearch}]" 
fields:"title 
charterfiled statefiled summaryinfo paper psearch fsearch" stateTiddler:"
datesearch" caption:"''Table 3. Railroad Research Status.''">>
<search:charterfiled{$:
/temp/mysearch}] [tagsearch:title{$:/temp/mysearch}]" 
fields:"title 
charterfiled statefiled routemap textdraft textfinal" stateTiddler:"
datesearch" caption:"''Table 4. Railroad Write-up Status.''">>
  

  



I have four dynamic tables because I have a lot of information that I want 
displayed and I want to keep it all in the tiddler width without the 
columns being too narrow.

If anyone sees something that I could have done better, I'm all ears (or 
eyes in this case).

Damon




On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 3:32:27 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>
> Damon, might you paste in what your resulting code looked like, to give 
> others a head start on tinkering?
>
> Even before you posted, I was wavering over whether I wanted this very 
> function. (I had tentatively decided that sometimes I *do* want to see all 
> tags, so that it's easier to pop into edit mode and delete the tag from a 
> row/tiddler that ought not to have it. But usually I don't want to see the 
> tag on wh

Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

[Damon Pritchett]

Success! I wrapped the list widget (which contained the dynamic tables 
call) in a set widget which sets a variable with the value of the tag I 
want to exclude. I also changed my template tiddler to use the variable 
instead of the tag directly. Works beautifully!

Thanks so much!

Damon


On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 1:01:21 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Damon,
>  Good luck for new development! You are on the right track!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Damon Pritchett  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mohammad,
>>
>> As usual, it took me two or three times reading the tutorial for the 
>> light bulb to come on. The new template that I created works just like I 
>> wanted, but is very specific to the tag I'm using. I'm going to see about 
>> using a variable to pass which tag I don't want displayed so that it can be 
>> more generic.
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:06:51 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Damon,
>>>  In Shiraz tutorial this has been explained! but simply for each field 
>>> passed to table-dynamic macro, it looks for a template.
>>>  See the naming rules for tags template. That's all.
>>>
>>>  For start you can clone Shiraz template and rename them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:52 AM Damon Pritchett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> I was able to figure out what modifications to the tags template to 
>>>> yield the desired result. My next question is how can I create my own 
>>>> custom tags template that can be used by the dynamic tables macro without 
>>>> modifying your default tags template?
>>>>
>>>> Damon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:36:49 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean to NOT display certain tags, with the current code it is 
>>>>> not possible! BUT you can hack the tags template in Shiraz
>>>>> to meet your requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM Damon Pritchett  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Mohammad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a dynamic tables question. I have my dynamic tables call from 
>>>>>> within a list widget so that only tiddlers with a certain tag will 
>>>>>> populate 
>>>>>> the table. One of my columns is tags because I want to see what other 
>>>>>> tags 
>>>>>> are being used for each of the tiddlers. Is it possible to remove the 
>>>>>> tag 
>>>>>> I'm filtering on from the dynamic table? I suspect that it's not without 
>>>>>> modifying the macro, but wanted to ask the question just in case I'm 
>>>>>> missing something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:28:31 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>>>>>>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>>>>>>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>>>>>>> *Status: beta under development*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A new beta update is available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This update contains tons of new features and improved 
>>>>>>> documentation. The focus is now on dynamics tables.
>>>>>>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary 
>>>>>>> plugin TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd 
>>>>>>> which demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>>>>>>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>>>>>>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *IMPORTANT N

Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Mohammad,

As usual, it took me two or three times reading the tutorial for the light 
bulb to come on. The new template that I created works just like I wanted, 
but is very specific to the tag I'm using. I'm going to see about using a 
variable to pass which tag I don't want displayed so that it can be more 
generic.

Damon


On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:06:51 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Damon,
>  In Shiraz tutorial this has been explained! but simply for each field 
> passed to table-dynamic macro, it looks for a template.
>  See the naming rules for tags template. That's all.
>
>  For start you can clone Shiraz template and rename them.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:52 AM Damon Pritchett  > wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> I was able to figure out what modifications to the tags template to yield 
>> the desired result. My next question is how can I create my own custom tags 
>> template that can be used by the dynamic tables macro without modifying 
>> your default tags template?
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:36:49 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> If you mean to NOT display certain tags, with the current code it is not 
>>> possible! BUT you can hack the tags template in Shiraz
>>> to meet your requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM Damon Pritchett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> I have a dynamic tables question. I have my dynamic tables call from 
>>>> within a list widget so that only tiddlers with a certain tag will 
>>>> populate 
>>>> the table. One of my columns is tags because I want to see what other tags 
>>>> are being used for each of the tiddlers. Is it possible to remove the tag 
>>>> I'm filtering on from the dynamic table? I suspect that it's not without 
>>>> modifying the macro, but wanted to ask the question just in case I'm 
>>>> missing something.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Damon
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:28:31 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>>>>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>>>>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>>>>> *Status: beta under development*
>>>>>
>>>>> A new beta update is available.
>>>>>
>>>>> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. 
>>>>> The focus is now on dynamics tables.
>>>>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary 
>>>>> plugin TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>>>>
>>>>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd 
>>>>> which demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>>>>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>>>>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>>>>
>>>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>>>>>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
>>>>> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
>>>>> plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>>>>>
>>>>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>>>>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>>>>
>>>>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>>>>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A permview 
>>>>> <https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#demo%2Fdynamic-table-concept:demo%2Fdynamic-table-concept%20demo%2Ftable-from-fields%20demo%2Ftable-from-indexes%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Ftransclusion%20%5B%5Bdemo%2Fadvanced%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustomize%20footer%5D%5D%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustom-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-table%2Ftask-manager%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables-template>to
>>>>>  
>>>>> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
>

Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

[Damon Pritchett]

Mohammad,

I was able to figure out what modifications to the tags template to yield 
the desired result. My next question is how can I create my own custom tags 
template that can be used by the dynamic tables macro without modifying 
your default tags template?

Damon



On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:36:49 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> If you mean to NOT display certain tags, with the current code it is not 
> possible! BUT you can hack the tags template in Shiraz
> to meet your requirements.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM Damon Pritchett  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Mohammad,
>>
>> I have a dynamic tables question. I have my dynamic tables call from 
>> within a list widget so that only tiddlers with a certain tag will populate 
>> the table. One of my columns is tags because I want to see what other tags 
>> are being used for each of the tiddlers. Is it possible to remove the tag 
>> I'm filtering on from the dynamic table? I suspect that it's not without 
>> modifying the macro, but wanted to ask the question just in case I'm 
>> missing something.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:28:31 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>>> *Status: beta under development*
>>>
>>> A new beta update is available.
>>>
>>> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. 
>>> The focus is now on dynamics tables.
>>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary 
>>> plugin TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>>
>>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd 
>>> which demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>>
>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>>>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
>>> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
>>> plugin.
>>>
>>> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>>>
>>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>>
>>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>>
>>>
>>> A permview 
>>> <https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#demo%2Fdynamic-table-concept:demo%2Fdynamic-table-concept%20demo%2Ftable-from-fields%20demo%2Ftable-from-indexes%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Ftransclusion%20%5B%5Bdemo%2Fadvanced%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustomize%20footer%5D%5D%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustom-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-table%2Ftask-manager%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables-template>to
>>>  
>>> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>> Revision 2.0.15
>>>
>>>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>>>due-date
>>>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>>>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>>>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like tblCaption 
>>>to caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>>>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from 
>>>older release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after update.
>>>
>>> Revision 2.0.14
>>>
>>>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>>>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>>>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a column
>>>   - count
>>>   - minall
>>>   - maxall
>>>   - sum
>>>   - product
>>>   - mean (arithematic average)
>>>   - median
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

[Damon Pritchett]

Thank you, sir.

I suspected as much. I will look into the tags template to see what I can 
do and how much effort it will take. This is actually more of an aesthetics 
question than a functional one, but it could be fun to play with.

Regards,

Damon
 

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:36:49 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> If you mean to NOT display certain tags, with the current code it is not 
> possible! BUT you can hack the tags template in Shiraz
> to meet your requirements.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM Damon Pritchett  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Mohammad,
>>
>> I have a dynamic tables question. I have my dynamic tables call from 
>> within a list widget so that only tiddlers with a certain tag will populate 
>> the table. One of my columns is tags because I want to see what other tags 
>> are being used for each of the tiddlers. Is it possible to remove the tag 
>> I'm filtering on from the dynamic table? I suspect that it's not without 
>> modifying the macro, but wanted to ask the question just in case I'm 
>> missing something.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:28:31 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>>> *Status: beta under development*
>>>
>>> A new beta update is available.
>>>
>>> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. 
>>> The focus is now on dynamics tables.
>>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary 
>>> plugin TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>>
>>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd 
>>> which demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>>
>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>>>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
>>> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
>>> plugin.
>>>
>>> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>>>
>>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>>
>>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>>
>>>
>>> A permview 
>>> <https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#demo%2Fdynamic-table-concept:demo%2Fdynamic-table-concept%20demo%2Ftable-from-fields%20demo%2Ftable-from-indexes%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Ftransclusion%20%5B%5Bdemo%2Fadvanced%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustomize%20footer%5D%5D%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables%2Fcustom-numerical-summary%20demo%2Fdynamic-table%2Ftask-manager%20demo%2Fdynamic-tables-template>to
>>>  
>>> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>> Revision 2.0.15
>>>
>>>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>>>due-date
>>>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>>>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>>>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like tblCaption 
>>>to caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>>>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from 
>>>older release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after update.
>>>
>>> Revision 2.0.14
>>>
>>>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>>>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>>>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a column
>>>   - count
>>>   - minall
>>>   - maxall
>>>   - sum
>>>   - product
>>>   - mean (arithematic average)
>>>   - median
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

[Damon Pritchett]

Hello Mohammad,

I have a dynamic tables question. I have my dynamic tables call from within 
a list widget so that only tiddlers with a certain tag will populate the 
table. One of my columns is tags because I want to see what other tags are 
being used for each of the tiddlers. Is it possible to remove the tag I'm 
filtering on from the dynamic table? I suspect that it's not without 
modifying the macro, but wanted to ask the question just in case I'm 
missing something.

Thanks,

Damon

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 2:28:31 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
> *Status: beta under development*
>
> A new beta update is available.
>
> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. The 
> focus is now on dynamics tables.
> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary plugin 
> TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>
> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd which 
> demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>
>
> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>
> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
> plugin.
>
> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>
> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>
>
> A permview 
> to
>  
> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
> Revision 2.0.15
>
>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>due-date
>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like tblCaption to 
>caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from older 
>release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after update.
>
> Revision 2.0.14
>
>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a column
>   - count
>   - minall
>   - maxall
>   - sum
>   - product
>   - mean (arithematic average)
>   - median
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Monowikis vs. Microwikis

[Damon Pritchett]

I use what you call a monowiki that is approximately 10MB in size with 
thousands of tiddlers. As TiddlyTweeter mentioned, extensive use of tags 
can slow things down. I use tags only as little as possible. I use fields 
for everything else. I also don't embed any images (or very, very few) in 
my wiki. I use external links instead.

Hope this helps.

Damon

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 1:18:39 PM UTC-7, Michael McDermott wrote:
>
> I'm sure this has come up before, but what are the downsides to keeping 
> one large wiki vs. several smaller ones? I mostly use mine as a sort of 
> commonplace book and have two wikis, one that is related to work (technical 
> stuff + project notes) and the other that is everything else of interest. 
> I've been considering merging them together and the couldn't really think 
> of a reason not to. 
>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks very much Eric.

That's just the example that I needed. It worked quite well.

There are certain search terms that still yield lots of tiddlers and I 
probably need to add more to the search box to limit that or just know that 
it will be a slightly longer search. I'm sure that part of the performance 
hit is that the search results are being output to a dynamic table (from 
Shiraz plugin) and I have several fields that are being populated for each 
tiddler. 

Damon

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 8:35:32 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> I like the idea of the submit button, but am unsure as to how to 
>> implement that. I know I need to couple a button with an action widget, but 
>> the documentation at Tiddlywiki.com is confusing to me. Could you point me 
>> to an example?
>>
>
> Try this:
> <$edit-text tag="input" tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch/input" default="" 
> placeholder="enter search text" />
> <$button> search
><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch" 
> text={{$:/temp/mysearch/input}} />
> 
> <$button> reset
><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch/input" text="" />
><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch" text="" />
> 
> <$reveal state="$:/temp/mysearch" type="nomatch" text="">
><$list filter="[prefix{$:/temp/mysearch}]"><$link/>
> 
>
> notes:
> * the $edit-text saves its input to $:/temp/mysearch/input
> * the search $button copies that input to $:/temp/mysearch
> * the reset $button clears both temp tiddlers
> * the $reveal is used to prevent the search from finding ALL tiddlers when 
> the input is blank
> * the $list does the search, using the value copied into $:/temp/mysearch
>
> let me know how it goes...
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Tony,

I already have the search limited by tag, but probably half of my tiddlers 
have that tag.

I like the idea of the submit button, but am unsure as to how to implement 
that. I know I need to couple a button with an action widget, but the 
documentation at Tiddlywiki.com is confusing to me. Could you point me to 
an example?

Thanks,

Damon


On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 7:55:01 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Not listing all from the beginning is a good idea. As the 3 character 
> before search limit helps. If you allow the desired string to be entered 
> before listing found items, eg a submit button this can also help.
>
> You could have a search already limited to tiddler, or system tiddler or 
> some other item, before you type a string then the list starts. This is an 
> advantage of classifying tiddlers with tag or I prefer an object-type 
> field, you can limit searches to tasks, or other object-types or to those 
> without an object-type from the beginning.
>
> Any search may make use of internal indexes if the filter is written 
> correctly see https://tiddlywiki.com/#Performance on the indexes.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 9:01:31 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Haven't tried a splash screen yet, but am loving the conversation.
>>
>> One performance note that I forgot to mention: I have a couple of custom 
>> searches setup; one the name of the tiddler and one for the prefix of the 
>> tiddler name. Both search show a bit of a delay when entering text in them 
>> which I attribute mostly to the large number of tiddlers that I'm trying to 
>> search through. This delay is not observed or is at least significantly 
>> shorter when using the standard search box in the sidebar. As I was typing 
>> this, I realized that I haven''t compared the code I'm using to the one the 
>> standard search is using. This is something I will do. 
>>
>> Does anyone have a suggestion for improving the performance of custom 
>> searches?
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 6:19:54 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 9:23:34 PM UTC+2, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Or if you want to be sneaky and just have the *perception* of fast 
>>>> loading, you can use your source code inspector on your tiddlywiki with 
>>>> all 
>>>> your tiddlers closed, copy the contents of the 
>>>> div.tc-page-container-wrapper element and the inline style sheet to put in 
>>>> the style scoped section and replace all the examples in that 
>>>> $:/Splashscreen . It looks like tiddlywiki opens instantly while 
>>>> everything 
>>>> is loaded in the background ... much like the MS Windows desktop.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice trick! ... A second possibility would be to create a Splashscreen, 
>>> that is so "interesting / funny", that users do a "shift-reload", ... just 
>>> to see it again. 
>>>
>>> May be some "internal" wiki statistics, like number of tiddlers, number 
>>> of tags, ... last modified and so on... This info needs to be created and 
>>> saved, with the last save action. So it is available during the next load. 
>>>
>>> If users are engaged during startup, delay time isn't or is less of a 
>>> problem anymore. 
>>>
>>> have fun!
>>> mario
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Haven't tried a splash screen yet, but am loving the conversation.

One performance note that I forgot to mention: I have a couple of custom 
searches setup; one the name of the tiddler and one for the prefix of the 
tiddler name. Both search show a bit of a delay when entering text in them 
which I attribute mostly to the large number of tiddlers that I'm trying to 
search through. This delay is not observed or is at least significantly 
shorter when using the standard search box in the sidebar. As I was typing 
this, I realized that I haven''t compared the code I'm using to the one the 
standard search is using. This is something I will do. 

Does anyone have a suggestion for improving the performance of custom 
searches?

Damon

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 6:19:54 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 9:23:34 PM UTC+2, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
>>
>> Or if you want to be sneaky and just have the *perception* of fast 
>> loading, you can use your source code inspector on your tiddlywiki with all 
>> your tiddlers closed, copy the contents of the 
>> div.tc-page-container-wrapper element and the inline style sheet to put in 
>> the style scoped section and replace all the examples in that 
>> $:/Splashscreen . It looks like tiddlywiki opens instantly while everything 
>> is loaded in the background ... much like the MS Windows desktop.
>>
>
> Nice trick! ... A second possibility would be to create a Splashscreen, 
> that is so "interesting / funny", that users do a "shift-reload", ... just 
> to see it again. 
>
> May be some "internal" wiki statistics, like number of tiddlers, number of 
> tags, ... last modified and so on... This info needs to be created and 
> saved, with the last save action. So it is available during the next load. 
>
> If users are engaged during startup, delay time isn't or is less of a 
> problem anymore. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Ah, ok. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification. It makes perfect sense. 

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Tony. 

I will say that even as large as my wiki is, it loads fairly quickly. I 
currently have a single tiddler open on startup. It’s a very small amount text 
along with a couple of external images. Sort of a “title page” of sorts. 

I’m going to investigate the splash screen to see if that’s even faster. 

Damon 

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Eric,

I thought that was likely the case. I should note that I wasn't really 
complaining about it about since it's only the first time and the delay is 
fairly short. I just thought it was an interesting point of observation.

Damon


On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 2:58:58 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 2:48:00 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> ...The only delay that I notice is in the backlinks widget of a footer 
>> that is part of probably half of my tiddlers. The very first time I open 
>> this widget (it's in a tab), there is a delay. After that, there is no 
>> delay.
>>
>
> As of TW5.1.22, the backlinks[] filter operator now has a core "indexer".  
> This means that the first time the filter is invoked, it caches an internal 
> data structure with the results of the filter, which it then re-uses for 
> all subsequent occurrences of the backlinks[] operator.  This indexing 
> produces the significant performance improvement you have observed.
>
> -e
>
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[tw5] My TW Performance

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey all,

There have many discussions in the past about how big a TW can get before 
there are any performance issues so I figured I'd post this as a point of 
reference for folks wondering about that. I will note that I am not 
experiencing any performance issues at this time. The only delay that I 
notice is in the backlinks widget of a footer that is part of probably half 
of my tiddlers. The very first time I open this widget (it's in a tab), 
there is a delay. After that, there is no delay.

My TW is almost entirely text with all images as external links so that 
helps a lot.

Here is a screenshot about the size of my TW:



My single file TW is approaching 10 MB in size. It resides in a folder in 
OneDrive so that I can access it from either my desktop or my laptop both 
of which are fairly high performance machines.

Hope this helps anyone that is curious about large TWs (of which I consider 
mine large, at least for file size).

Damon

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks. Chrome has the same feature as well as TiddlyDesktop. It’s quite
useful and I’ve learned a lot from. I can usually solve my styling problems
easily with that. This time that one key statement eluded me.

Thanks again for your help.

Damon

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:17 AM Birthe C  wrote:

> Damon,
> Honestly, I remembered I had done something like that years ago, tried to
> remember the name of one of my old wikis using it.
>
> One way to find some information of what to do can be found using firefox,
> put the mouse on something, right click and select inspect element.
> Honestly many times it just ad to my confusion. It gets a little better
> with time, so keep doing it.
>
> Birthe
>
> søndag den 31. maj 2020 kl. 19.04.38 UTC+2 skrev Damon Pritchett:
>>
>> Thanks Birthe,
>>
>> That last css statement is what I was missing. If I may ask, is that
>> something you just picked up with experience or were you able to figure
>> that out? If you figured it out, where did you find it?
>>
>> Damon
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Birthe,

That last css statement is what I was missing. If I may ask, is that 
something you just picked up with experience or were you able to figure 
that out? If you figured it out, where did you find it?

Damon


On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Terrible colours used here, I know, but it is only an example:
>
> .tc-page-controls button:hover svg, .tc-page-controls a:hover svg {
> fill:Orange;
> }
>
> .tc-page-controls .tc-image-save-button {
> fill:blue;
> }
>
> body.tc-dirty span.tc-dirty-indicator svg  {
> fill:darkred;
> }
>
> Birthe
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

Some but mostly through stylesheets.



On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:05 AM Reet Pandher 
wrote:

> Are you customizing via the color palette?
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:50:07 AM UTC+5:30, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I’ve been playing around with customizing my TW and am trying to change
>> the color of the icons in the page controls buttons. I haven’t figured out
>> a way to do it without breaking the save button changing colors when
>> changes have occurred. I’m trying to get a color that’s different than the
>> general background color. What am I missing?
>>
>> Damon
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[tw5] Sidebar button coloring

[Damon Pritchett]

All,

I’ve been playing around with customizing my TW and am trying to change the 
color of the icons in the page controls buttons. I haven’t figured out a way to 
do it without breaking the save button changing colors when changes have 
occurred. I’m trying to get a color that’s different than the general 
background color. What am I missing?

Damon 

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[tw5] How to solve the online and offline use of TiddlyWiki?

[Damon Pritchett]

I have my TW in Microsoft OneDrive which works similarly to Dropbox. I’ve been 
doing this for a couple of years now without any issues. 

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[tw5] Re: Tag drag and drop

[Damon Pritchett]

Alright, after a little more investigation, I have figured out what the 
issue is. At some point, I had added a style for the drop-down menus to for 
display: content. This was what broke it. I don't remember now why I did 
this and when I took that out, but that's the culprit.

Later,

Damon



On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:34:27 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> Somehow I've managed to break the drag and drop behavior of ordering tags. 
> The file I saved 4 days ago behaves normally and I've looked at all the 
> differences I made between then and now. Other than content, I made some 
> styling changes, but backing those out didn't fix it. What controls the 
> drag and drop behavior of tags? How might I investigate this further? 
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Tag drag and drop

[Damon Pritchett]

Hello folks,

Somehow I've managed to break the drag and drop behavior of ordering tags. 
The file I saved 4 days ago behaves normally and I've looked at all the 
differences I made between then and now. Other than content, I made some 
styling changes, but backing those out didn't fix it. What controls the 
drag and drop behavior of tags? How might I investigate this further? 
Thanks in advance.

Damon

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[tw5] Re: Using kin filter with multiple tags

[Damon Pritchett]

Alrighty then. After a bit of trial and error and realizing that there were 
other considerations when a tiddler has a succession of two tags, but then 
those two tags have a common single tag and also having to make sure that I 
didn't break the normal case where only one tag was involved (whew!), I 
came up with the code below. It does work for all cases that I've come 
across so far in my TW. I know that it only handles the case when there is 
a single tag or two tags, but not more than two. It was definitely a 
learning experience. Now the trick will be to remember those lessons 
learned.

I would appreciate any feedback if anyone sees a simpler or more generic 
way of doing it or there is something fundamentally wrong with the way I 
did it.




<$list filter="[title
tags[]tag[Railroads]count[]compare:number:eq[1]then]">
  Successors to ''<>'':
  
<$list filter="[title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]"> ->
  <$link><$view field="title"/>
  

  



<$list filter="[title
tags[]tag[Railroads]count[]compare:number:gt[1]then]">
  Successors to ''<>'':
  <$list filter="[titletags[]tag[Railroads]first[]]" 
variable=firsttag>
  <$list filter="[titletags[]tag[Railroads]last[]]" 
variable=secondtag>

  <$list filter="[title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]"> ->
<$link><$view field="title"/>

  


  <$list filter="[title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]"> ->
<$link><$view field="title"/>

  

  
  



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[tw5] Re: Using kin filter with multiple tags

[Damon Pritchett]

After a bit of trial and error, I was able to modify the code as follows;




Successors to ''<>'':


<$list filter="[titletags[]tag[Railroads]first[]]" 
variable=firsttag>
  
<$list filter="[titlekin:tags:from[]!kin!title
]"> ->
  <$link><$view field="title"/>
  

  



<$list filter="[titletags[]tag[Railroads]last[]]" 
variable=secondtag>
  
<$list filter="[titlekin:tags:from[]!kin
!title]"> ->
  <$link><$view field="title"/>
  

  


The above works just how I wanted. Since my current case never has more 
than two tags, first and last will suffice. If there's ever a case where 
there will be more than two, then I'll have to readdress that.

If anyone sees a simpler way of doing it, I would be more than happy to 
hear what that would be. I'm sure that there is a better way to do it given 
that I'm pretty much a noob at this.

Thanks,

Damon





On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:09:13 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Here's an example I created to illustrate.
>
> I have a series of tiddlers named RR#1 through RR#7.  RR#1 will be the 
> base and all others are successive tags from there. I've included some 
> screenshots of the filter at work. If RR#1 is only tagged with RR#2, then I 
> get  what is illustrated in picture1.png. If RR#1 is only tagged with RR#5, 
> then I get what is pictured in picture2.png. If RR#1 is tagged with both 
> RR#2 and RR#5, which is the case I'm trying to fix, I get what's in 
> picture3.png.
>
> I've thought about different ways of breaking the tiddlers up, but I can't 
> get away from one tiddler being tagged with two.
>
> Tony - I'm not sure I followed the hint you were trying to give. Maybe 
> it's because I haven't had enough caffeine this morning.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 1:42:37 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Damon,
>>
>> It is the standard TOC that tends to work the other way, dividing into 
>> branches, leaves etc... Can you ask the Question the other way around?
>>
>> If you can write an independant filter you can actually subtract one from 
>> the other such as a filter than runs out all branches, then remove the 
>> tiddler in the main line (not railways) the original kin filter exposed, 
>> what will be left is the line of tiddlers that were not in the first 
>> filter, or you can add them together.
>>
>> I know this is but a hint, not a solution but the test data is not 
>> available. If you could demonstrate it on say a copy of tiddlywiki.com?
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 2:27:42 PM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I've been using the following code which encompasses the kin filter to 
>>> trace tiddler tags. More specifically, I'm using it trace the line of 
>>> mergers for certain railroads (each railroad is a separate tiddler) such 
>>> that for any given company I can see the line of successive 
>>> railroads traced all the way up to the present.
>>>
>>> 
>>> <$list filter='[all[current]title
>>> kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!titlelimit[1]]' 
>>> variable=null>
>>> Successors to ''<>'':
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   <$list filter="[title
>>> kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]"> ->
>>> <$link><$view field="title"/>
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> It generally works quite beautifully, but I have a very small  number of 
>>> cases where I have where the railroad was split and merged into two 
>>> different companies. The above code includes everything, but shows all as a 
>>> single line of succession. I'm pretty sure that the kin filter was only 
>>> meant to trace a succession of single tags so I'm wondering if there is 
>>> something I can do to the code above or I'll have to figure out a way to 
>>> split tiddlers. Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Using kin filter with multiple tags

[Damon Pritchett]

All,

I've been using the following code which encompasses the kin filter to 
trace tiddler tags. More specifically, I'm using it trace the line of 
mergers for certain railroads (each railroad is a separate tiddler) such 
that for any given company I can see the line of successive 
railroads traced all the way up to the present.


<$list filter='[all[current]title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!titlelimit[1]]' 
variable=null>
Successors to ''<>'':



  <$list filter="[title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]"> ->
<$link><$view field="title"/>

  



It generally works quite beautifully, but I have a very small  number of 
cases where I have where the railroad was split and merged into two 
different companies. The above code includes everything, but shows all as a 
single line of succession. I'm pretty sure that the kin filter was only 
meant to trace a succession of single tags so I'm wondering if there is 
something I can do to the code above or I'll have to figure out a way to 
split tiddlers. Any suggestions will be welcomed.

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: XML plugin for Tiddlywiki??

[Damon Pritchett]

I really like the prospects of this. I have an excel spreadsheet that I 
would like to import into my TW as a single tiddler with a table that 
represents the worksheet. This seems like an ideal solution for that. Do 
you think it's ready for me to experiment with that?

Thanks,

Damon

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-7, Flibbles wrote:
>
>  Hey all,
>
> I need some basic support for XML in tiddlywiki. And I can’t find any.
>
> I just wrote a simple xml importer/exporter plugin. Like:
>
> 
>  
>   MyTitle
>   Text…
>   …
>  
> 
>
>
> And I’m also looking into having *text/xml* as a tiddler type, and 
> display it. And maybe apply xslt to it. I’m already about 40% towards 
> having my own plugin, but I’m really surprised that this kind of stuff 
> doesn’t already exist.
>
> I’ve searched. Am I overlooking something?
>
> -Flibbles
>

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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Tony,

The tabs macro is built into Tiddlywiki so I just used it as is. I just 
took advantage of it. I borrowed a few things from HCHaase and created some 
other tiddlers to be used in the tabs macro. Their function is similar to 
what you've accomplished, just in a different fashion. I don't have a 
github site or anything so I've just copied the code below. The first 
snippet is the main tiddler with the tabs macro and tagged ViewTemplate. 
The other code snippets are each of the tiddlers used in the tab macro.

Here's the main tiddler:

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[Railroads]]" variable="dummy">


  <>



The Railroad Footnotes tiddler simply contains <> as I use the 
RefNotes plugin from Mohammad.

Here is the Railroad Predecessors tiddler:





<$list filter='[taglimit[1]]'  variable=null>
<$count filter='[tag]'/> Predecessors of: ''<
>''


<$macrocall $name="toc-selective-expandable" tag=<> 
sort="sort[title]" />

Here is the Railroad Successors tiddler:


<$list filter='[all[current]title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!titlelimit[1]]' 
variable=null>
Successors to ''<>'':



  <$list filter="[title
kin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]"> ->
<$link><$view field="title"/>

  


Railroad Cross-References:


<$list filter='[all[current]backlinks[]limit[1]]' variable=null>
<$count filter='[all[current]backlinks[]]'/> Link(s) to ''<
>''



<$list 
filter="[!is[system]all[current]backlinks[]!tag[hide]!tag[outlines]sort[title]] 
-[is[current]]">
  
  <$link>
   <$view field="title"/>
  
  <$appear show="{{$:/core/images/unfold-button}}" 
hide="{{$:/core/images/fold-button}}">
<$transclude field="text" mode="block" />
  
  





<$list filter='[list{!!title}limit[1]]' variable=null>
 ''<>'' is listing


<>



<$list filter='[all[current]listed[]!is[system]limit[1]]' variable=null>
 ''<>'' is listed in


<>

Status Checkboxes:



  
<$checkbox field="summaryinfo" checked="yes" unchecked="no" 
default="no">Summary?
<$checkbox field="psearch" checked="yes" unchecked="no" 
default="no">Prelim Search?
<$checkbox field="fsearch" checked="yes" unchecked="no" 
default="no">Final Search?
<$checkbox field="routemap" checked="yes" unchecked="no" 
default="no">Map?
<$checkbox field="textdraft" checked="yes" unchecked="no" 
default="no">Draft?
<$checkbox field="textfinal" checked="yes" unchecked="no" 
default="no">Final?
 
 
 
  
  
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Steam label=Steam />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Paper label=Paper />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Constructed label=Constructed />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Street label=Street />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Interurban label=Interurban />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Depot label=Depot />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Terminal label=Terminal />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Bridge label=Bridge />
<$macrocall $name=toggle-in-field tiddler=<> 
field=rrfield item=Absent label=Absent />
  


Take a look at the code and please comment if you notice anything that 
could be improved or if there are any issues that I haven't come across yet 
(that also goes for any other folks out there - comments welcome). I'm 
pretty much a newbie myself, so I know I'm not doing things in the most 
efficient way.

Cheers,

Damon











On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 11:55:51 PM UTC-7, Tony K wrote:
>
> Hello Damon 
>
> Thanks for the kind words 
>
> I'm totally new to this and I don't even know what tab macro are  
>
> Do you share yours somewhere? If so I'd be interested in taking a look 

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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

[Damon Pritchett]

Hello Tony K,

Nice work. I did nearly exactly the same thing except I used the tabs 
macro. I like your method as well. With the tabs macro, I had to deal with 
the state tiddlers and the default tab, but solved that. Your method 
doesn't need to worry about that. I do like the keywords feature. I might 
have to think about how I could use that in my TW. Very interesting, indeed.

Damon

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 4:37:50 PM UTC-7, Tony K wrote:
>
> Just wanted to share "Drift" a place to Collect Organize and Grow your 
> ideas
>
>
> It has many features but, most important for me, is the "backlinks" or 
> "bidirectional links" 
>
> Needless to say it is inspired by "TiddlyBlink" / "Stroll" just fitted to 
> my own needs and liking 
>
> A demo and more extensive documentation is available at 
>
>
> https://akhater.github.io/drift/
> Hope it will help someone
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Hello all,

Just wanted to let you know that I've solved the default sidebar tab 
problem i was having. I had a startup action that I had forgotten about 
that was overriding my wishes. Once I fixed that, everything was fine.

Damon


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 6:08:07 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Just for grins today, I decided to use the methods previously discussed to 
> set the default sidebar tab in an empty 5.1.22 TW. Alas, I was unable to 
> get the sidebar tab to start up with anything other than the last saved 
> tab. The tiddler tagged with $:/tags/StartupAction seemed to have no 
> effect. This is slightly different than the behavior in my own TW. Oh well, 
> time to let the brain rest and put this in the background for another week 
> or two.
>
> Damon
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:44:49 AM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>>
>> If I'm understanding correctly, you want a way to set the sidebar tab in 
>> the new (topbar) menu plugin with 5.1.22?
>>
>> the sidebar tab for the topbar menu sidebar is set by a separate state 
>> tiddler than the normal sidebar-- experiment by clicking each 
>> sidebar"instance" and you'll see they don't effect each other, they can be 
>> set to different tabs.  The state tiddler I found that changes by clicking 
>> the sidebar in the topbar menu was $:/state/tab/sidebar-1477732604
>>
>> use this list widget to see the newest state tiddler and see which 
>> changes when clicking the topbar menu sidebar, then use that state tiddler 
>> in the startup tiddler Birthe suggested
>>
>> <$list filter="[all{shadows}prefix[$:/state]days[-1]]">
>>
>> {{!!title}} -- {{!!text}}
>> 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using tab macro in viewTemplate

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks so much! I knew there must have been something I was doing. Works 
beautifully.

Did you happen to give any thought as to whether or not it's possible to 
use a field to set the tab state instead of a state tiddler?

Thanks,

Damon



On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:51:29 PM UTC-7, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>   < Successors]] [[Railroad Cross-references]] [[Railroad Status Checkboxes]]" 
> "Railroad 
> Footnotes" "$:/state/rrfootertab" "footertabs">>
>
> The default does not need double brackets around it, as it is just one 
> tiddler title and has quotes around it. The macro was trying to match the 
> tab [[Railroad Footnotes]] which isn't a part of the macro, so the default 
> was not working.
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:26:09 PM UTC+2, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Here's the code for my footer:
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[Railroads]]" variable="dummy">
>> 
>> 
>>   <> Successors]] [[Railroad Cross-references]] [[Railroad Status Checkboxes]]" 
>> "[[Railroad Footnotes]]" "$:/state/rrfootertab" "footertabs">>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:23:21 PM UTC-7, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a TiddlyWiki that generates one state tiddler per content 
>>> tiddler, so every time the wiki is open I have a few hundred state tiddlers 
>>> open. No peformance impact. And if you configure so they don't get saved 
>>> there is no problem with size either.
>>>
>>> For the default tab, please post the code in which the default value is 
>>> not being respected. There may be a syntax error that you are not catching.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:15:04 PM UTC+2, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestions. I did find that using the publishFilter 
>>>> idea works great for not having to worry about a couple of thousand state 
>>>> tiddlers being saved with the TW. However, I'm finding that the default 
>>>> tab 
>>>> from the macro call is being ignored when there is no state tiddler. This 
>>>> is similar to another default tab issue that I've had a few weeks ago that 
>>>> is still not solved.
>>>>
>>>> Mat, your idea would solve the default tab problem, but that still 
>>>> leaves a couple of thousand state tiddlers eventually being around. Is 
>>>> that 
>>>> a performance concern for my TW which is already nearly 9MB? I started to 
>>>> play with your suggestion, but I got confused as to why the button was 
>>>> there. What would be the workflow on this? Would I click that button to 
>>>> save the state tiddler when I first visit each tiddler that this is being 
>>>> used in? 
>>>>
>>>> Another question I just thought of is can I use a field in the tiddler 
>>>> to set the default state of the tabs? That way, each tiddler could have 
>>>> its 
>>>> own default defined like Mat's idea, but there would be so many state 
>>>> tiddlers.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Damon
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 2:59:36 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been playing around for the last couple of days experimenting 
>>>>> with adding a viewTemplate with a tabbed interface as a footer to 
>>>>> tiddlers 
>>>>> tagged with a certain tag. I've been able to make this sort of work with 
>>>>> the tab macro and I've also used the tabber macro of Mat's, but both 
>>>>> solutions have a couple of things that I'm not quite satisfied with. 
>>>>> Using 
>>>>> the tabber macro, the tab last visited on a given tiddler is the one that 
>>>>> is selected by default when I open the next tidder. Also with tabber, if 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have two tiddlers open at the same time I can't have two different tabs 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> each tiddler since each tab has a single state tiddler associated with. I 
>>>>> solved those problems by using the built-in tab macro, but because I have 
>>>>> nearly two thousand of the tiddlers in question, I'm going to get nearly 
>>>>> two thousand state tiddlers eventually. I've also noticed that the first 

[tw5] Re: Using tab macro in viewTemplate

[Damon Pritchett]

Here's the code for my footer:

<$list filter="[all[current]tag[Railroads]]" variable="dummy">


  <>






On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:23:21 PM UTC-7, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I have a TiddlyWiki that generates one state tiddler per content tiddler, 
> so every time the wiki is open I have a few hundred state tiddlers open. No 
> peformance impact. And if you configure so they don't get saved there is no 
> problem with size either.
>
> For the default tab, please post the code in which the default value is 
> not being respected. There may be a syntax error that you are not catching.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:15:04 PM UTC+2, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions. I did find that using the publishFilter idea 
>> works great for not having to worry about a couple of thousand state 
>> tiddlers being saved with the TW. However, I'm finding that the default tab 
>> from the macro call is being ignored when there is no state tiddler. This 
>> is similar to another default tab issue that I've had a few weeks ago that 
>> is still not solved.
>>
>> Mat, your idea would solve the default tab problem, but that still leaves 
>> a couple of thousand state tiddlers eventually being around. Is that a 
>> performance concern for my TW which is already nearly 9MB? I started to 
>> play with your suggestion, but I got confused as to why the button was 
>> there. What would be the workflow on this? Would I click that button to 
>> save the state tiddler when I first visit each tiddler that this is being 
>> used in? 
>>
>> Another question I just thought of is can I use a field in the tiddler to 
>> set the default state of the tabs? That way, each tiddler could have its 
>> own default defined like Mat's idea, but there would be so many state 
>> tiddlers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 2:59:36 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've been playing around for the last couple of days experimenting with 
>>> adding a viewTemplate with a tabbed interface as a footer to tiddlers 
>>> tagged with a certain tag. I've been able to make this sort of work with 
>>> the tab macro and I've also used the tabber macro of Mat's, but both 
>>> solutions have a couple of things that I'm not quite satisfied with. Using 
>>> the tabber macro, the tab last visited on a given tiddler is the one that 
>>> is selected by default when I open the next tidder. Also with tabber, if I 
>>> have two tiddlers open at the same time I can't have two different tabs in 
>>> each tiddler since each tab has a single state tiddler associated with. I 
>>> solved those problems by using the built-in tab macro, but because I have 
>>> nearly two thousand of the tiddlers in question, I'm going to get nearly 
>>> two thousand state tiddlers eventually. I've also noticed that the first 
>>> time I open any given tiddler, there is no tab selected. I'm assuming 
>>> that's because no state tiddler has been created yet. I've also tried using 
>>> CSS only tabs, which works fine when only one tiddler's open, but, if two 
>>> or more are open, only the most recently opened one has working tabs.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for any other suggestions on how to make this work. So far, 
>>> I like using the built-in tab macro best, but I worry about performance 
>>> after a few hundred (or whatever the number might be) state tiddlers are 
>>> created. Is this even a concern?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Using tab macro in viewTemplate

[Damon Pritchett]

All,

Thanks for the suggestions. I did find that using the publishFilter idea 
works great for not having to worry about a couple of thousand state 
tiddlers being saved with the TW. However, I'm finding that the default tab 
from the macro call is being ignored when there is no state tiddler. This 
is similar to another default tab issue that I've had a few weeks ago that 
is still not solved.

Mat, your idea would solve the default tab problem, but that still leaves a 
couple of thousand state tiddlers eventually being around. Is that a 
performance concern for my TW which is already nearly 9MB? I started to 
play with your suggestion, but I got confused as to why the button was 
there. What would be the workflow on this? Would I click that button to 
save the state tiddler when I first visit each tiddler that this is being 
used in? 

Another question I just thought of is can I use a field in the tiddler to 
set the default state of the tabs? That way, each tiddler could have its 
own default defined like Mat's idea, but there would be so many state 
tiddlers.

Thanks,

Damon

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 2:59:36 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been playing around for the last couple of days experimenting with 
> adding a viewTemplate with a tabbed interface as a footer to tiddlers 
> tagged with a certain tag. I've been able to make this sort of work with 
> the tab macro and I've also used the tabber macro of Mat's, but both 
> solutions have a couple of things that I'm not quite satisfied with. Using 
> the tabber macro, the tab last visited on a given tiddler is the one that 
> is selected by default when I open the next tidder. Also with tabber, if I 
> have two tiddlers open at the same time I can't have two different tabs in 
> each tiddler since each tab has a single state tiddler associated with. I 
> solved those problems by using the built-in tab macro, but because I have 
> nearly two thousand of the tiddlers in question, I'm going to get nearly 
> two thousand state tiddlers eventually. I've also noticed that the first 
> time I open any given tiddler, there is no tab selected. I'm assuming 
> that's because no state tiddler has been created yet. I've also tried using 
> CSS only tabs, which works fine when only one tiddler's open, but, if two 
> or more are open, only the most recently opened one has working tabs.
>
> I'm looking for any other suggestions on how to make this work. So far, I 
> like using the built-in tab macro best, but I worry about performance after 
> a few hundred (or whatever the number might be) state tiddlers are created. 
> Is this even a concern?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Using tab macro in viewTemplate

[Damon Pritchett]

Hello all,

I've been playing around for the last couple of days experimenting with 
adding a viewTemplate with a tabbed interface as a footer to tiddlers 
tagged with a certain tag. I've been able to make this sort of work with 
the tab macro and I've also used the tabber macro of Mat's, but both 
solutions have a couple of things that I'm not quite satisfied with. Using 
the tabber macro, the tab last visited on a given tiddler is the one that 
is selected by default when I open the next tidder. Also with tabber, if I 
have two tiddlers open at the same time I can't have two different tabs in 
each tiddler since each tab has a single state tiddler associated with. I 
solved those problems by using the built-in tab macro, but because I have 
nearly two thousand of the tiddlers in question, I'm going to get nearly 
two thousand state tiddlers eventually. I've also noticed that the first 
time I open any given tiddler, there is no tab selected. I'm assuming 
that's because no state tiddler has been created yet. I've also tried using 
CSS only tabs, which works fine when only one tiddler's open, but, if two 
or more are open, only the most recently opened one has working tabs.

I'm looking for any other suggestions on how to make this work. So far, I 
like using the built-in tab macro best, but I worry about performance after 
a few hundred (or whatever the number might be) state tiddlers are created. 
Is this even a concern?

Many thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

I should have also included the stylesheet I'm using to customize the 
menubar. In that stylesheet, the styles at the button seem a little 
redundant, but have the effect that I want. Otherwise there is a big space 
at the top of the screen. This goes away if I have both of the last classes 
in the stylesheet.

/* Color of the text in the menubar */
nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item > a, nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item > 
button {
  color: #555;
}


/* Menubar subitem color */
nav.tc-menubar .tc-drop-down a:hover {
  text-decoration: none;
  background-color: #d7dee8;
}


/* Menubar dropdown item color */
nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item > a:hover, nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item 
> button:hover {
  background-color: #d7dee8;
  color: #00;
}


/* Menubar non-dropdown item color */
nav.tc-menubar > button:hover {
  background-color: #d7dee8;
  color: #00;
}


/* Menubar down arrow color */
nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item > button:hover svg, nav.tc-menubar li.tc-
menubar-item > a:hover svg {
  background-color: transparent;
  fill: #00;
}


/* Dropdown items color */
nav.tc-menubar .tc-reveal > button:hover, nav.tc-menubar .tc-reveal > a:hover 
{
  background-color: #d7dee8;
  fill: #00;
}


/* Dropdown items color with no further levels (no arrow present) */
nav.tc-menubar .tc-drop-down a:hover, .tc-drop-down button:hover, .tc-drop-down 
.tc-file-input.wrapper:hover button {
  background-color: #d7dee8;
}


/* Page controls size */
nav.tc-menubar .tc-btn-rounded {
  font-size: 0.7em;
}


/* Page control styling for menubar */
nav.tc-menubar .tc-page-controls {
  margin-top: 0;
  font-size: 1.0em;
}


On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:40:55 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Well, after some fiddling further with no luck, I decided to take the 
> brute force approach. I modified the tiddler from the menubar plugin 
> entitled $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/items/pagecontrols and added  class="tc-page-controls"> around the outer list widget. I also modified the 
> menubar stylesheet and took out the fill properties of the following 
> statement:
>
> Before:
>
> nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item svg {
>
>  transition: none;
>  width: 1em;
>  height: 1em;
>  fill: <>;
>  fill: <>;
>
> }
>
> After:
>
> nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item svg {
>  transition: none;
>  width: 1em;
>  height: 1em;
> }
>
>
> Here's what the modified pagecontrols tiddler looks like:
>
> \whitespace trim
> \define config-title()
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$(listItem)$
> \end
> 
> <$list filter=
> "[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/PageControls]!has[draft.of]]" variable=
> "listItem">
> <$set name="hidden" value=<>>
> <$list filter="[!text[hide]]" storyview="pop" variable="ignore">
> <$set name="tv-config-toolbar-class" filter="[] 
> [encodeuricomponent[]addprefix[tc-btn-]]">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> mode="inline"/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> While this achieved what I desired, I don't like modifying the tiddlers 
> that come with a plugin. I'd rather do this by adding my own stylesheets. 
> In this case, I was at a loss as to how to do this. There's probably 
> something obvious that I'm missing and I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.
>
> Stay safe and healthy out there,
>
> Damon
>
>  
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 2:18:11 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Alright folks,
>>
>> Yet another menubar colors question. I've enabled the page controls for 
>> the menubar, but I've noticed that the save button does not turn red when 
>> the TW has been changed like it does in the sidebar page controls. I've 
>> managed to permanently color it red, but not have it dependent on whether 
>> the TW has been edited a lot. I've found the inspect feature of Chrome very 
>> handy in all of this styling investigation, but it's not readily apparent 
>> how the color of that button is dependent on whether the TW has been edited 
>> or not. Can anyone point me in the right direction on this?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:37:09 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much (or should I say merci)! I was trying background not 
>>> background-color.
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:28:28 PM UTC-7, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le vendredi 17 avril 2020 23:28:47 UTC+2, Damon Pritchett a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that CSS helped a little bit

[tw5] Re: 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

Well, after some fiddling further with no luck, I decided to take the brute 
force approach. I modified the tiddler from the menubar plugin 
entitled $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/items/pagecontrols and added  around the outer list widget. I also modified the 
menubar stylesheet and took out the fill properties of the following 
statement:

Before:

nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item svg {

 transition: none;
 width: 1em;
 height: 1em;
 fill: <>;
 fill: <>;

}

After:

nav.tc-menubar li.tc-menubar-item svg {
 transition: none;
 width: 1em;
 height: 1em;
}


Here's what the modified pagecontrols tiddler looks like:

\whitespace trim
\define config-title()
$:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$(listItem)$
\end

<$list filter=
"[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/PageControls]!has[draft.of]]" variable=
"listItem">
<$set name="hidden" value=<>>
<$list filter="[!text[hide]]" storyview="pop" variable="ignore">
<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-class" filter="[] 
[encodeuricomponent[]addprefix[tc-btn-]]">
<$transclude tiddler=<> mode="inline"/>







While this achieved what I desired, I don't like modifying the tiddlers 
that come with a plugin. I'd rather do this by adding my own stylesheets. 
In this case, I was at a loss as to how to do this. There's probably 
something obvious that I'm missing and I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.

Stay safe and healthy out there,

Damon

 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 2:18:11 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Alright folks,
>
> Yet another menubar colors question. I've enabled the page controls for 
> the menubar, but I've noticed that the save button does not turn red when 
> the TW has been changed like it does in the sidebar page controls. I've 
> managed to permanently color it red, but not have it dependent on whether 
> the TW has been edited a lot. I've found the inspect feature of Chrome very 
> handy in all of this styling investigation, but it's not readily apparent 
> how the color of that button is dependent on whether the TW has been edited 
> or not. Can anyone point me in the right direction on this?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Damon
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:37:09 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much (or should I say merci)! I was trying background not 
>> background-color.
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:28:28 PM UTC-7, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le vendredi 17 avril 2020 23:28:47 UTC+2, Damon Pritchett a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Well, that CSS helped a little bit, but it did nothing to help the blue 
>>>> background of the menu items. I've looked at the 
>>>> tiddler $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles and tried many different 
>>>> things, but have found nothing that changes it. The only thing that 
>>>> affects 
>>>> that color is the general primary color in the palette. This works great 
>>>> for link text, but not for a background.
>>>>
>>>> Damon
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, it use color palette in CSS stylesheet, since it apply from global 
>>> tc.drop.down rules.
>>>
>>> You can add your own style if you want, for example :
>>>
>>> nav.tc-menubar .tc-drop-down a:hover {
>>> text-decoration: none;
>>> background-color: #d8575d;
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

Alright folks,

Yet another menubar colors question. I've enabled the page controls for the 
menubar, but I've noticed that the save button does not turn red when the 
TW has been changed like it does in the sidebar page controls. I've managed 
to permanently color it red, but not have it dependent on whether the TW 
has been edited a lot. I've found the inspect feature of Chrome very handy 
in all of this styling investigation, but it's not readily apparent how the 
color of that button is dependent on whether the TW has been edited or not. 
Can anyone point me in the right direction on this?

Thanks again,

Damon

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:37:09 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Thanks so much (or should I say merci)! I was trying background not 
> background-color.
>
> Damon
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:28:28 PM UTC-7, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Le vendredi 17 avril 2020 23:28:47 UTC+2, Damon Pritchett a écrit :
>>>
>>> Well, that CSS helped a little bit, but it did nothing to help the blue 
>>> background of the menu items. I've looked at the 
>>> tiddler $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles and tried many different 
>>> things, but have found nothing that changes it. The only thing that affects 
>>> that color is the general primary color in the palette. This works great 
>>> for link text, but not for a background.
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, it use color palette in CSS stylesheet, since it apply from global 
>> tc.drop.down rules.
>>
>> You can add your own style if you want, for example :
>>
>> nav.tc-menubar .tc-drop-down a:hover {
>> text-decoration: none;
>> background-color: #d8575d;
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks so much (or should I say merci)! I was trying background not 
background-color.

Damon

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:28:28 PM UTC-7, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>
>
>
> Le vendredi 17 avril 2020 23:28:47 UTC+2, Damon Pritchett a écrit :
>>
>> Well, that CSS helped a little bit, but it did nothing to help the blue 
>> background of the menu items. I've looked at the 
>> tiddler $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles and tried many different 
>> things, but have found nothing that changes it. The only thing that affects 
>> that color is the general primary color in the palette. This works great 
>> for link text, but not for a background.
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
> Yes, it use color palette in CSS stylesheet, since it apply from global 
> tc.drop.down rules.
>
> You can add your own style if you want, for example :
>
> nav.tc-menubar .tc-drop-down a:hover {
> text-decoration: none;
> background-color: #d8575d;
> }
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

Well, that CSS helped a little bit, but it did nothing to help the blue 
background of the menu items. I've looked at the 
tiddler $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/menubar/styles and tried many different 
things, but have found nothing that changes it. The only thing that affects 
that color is the general primary color in the palette. This works great 
for link text, but not for a background.

Damon

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:33:04 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for.
>
> Damon
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:12:30 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4568
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for.

Damon

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:12:30 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4568
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Commander

[Damon Pritchett]

 Thank you, sir. That is exactly what I needed. It makes perfect sense, by 
the way. I fully understand why now.

Damon


On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 10:05:09 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Damon,
>
> Look at 
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/#%24%3A%2FCommander
>
> Under *Select tiddlers*, you see two buttons *select all* and  *deselect 
> all*
> Simply click *deselct all*
>
> No matter when and in which session you do this!
>
> NOTE: For non-selective operation Commander do not use tag. Only for 
> selective operation tag is used.
> This is because it lets user to filter their tiddlers in two stage. First 
> one can search a bunch of tiddlers for operation
> and then select among them where writing filter may be cumbersome.
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:39:23 AM UTC+4:30, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> I've noticed that any tiddlers that I've done a search and replace in 
>> with Commander had the tage $:/tags/Commander/Working added to them. Is 
>> there anyway that this can be avoided? At present, I'm having to manually 
>> go in a delete that tag from all of the tiddlers that I just modified using 
>> Commander.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>

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[tw5] 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey all,

I don't know if many people have played with the menubar yet, but I'm 
wondering how I can change the colors of the menu items. For example, I 
have the sidebar selected as being part of the sidebar. When I select that 
and move down the sidebar menu items, the item I'm hovering over has the 
background color of the palette's general primary color. I'd like to be 
able to change this without changing the general primary color for the rest 
of the TW. Any ideas? I've played with the inspect feature to look at the 
styles and such, but that hasn't helped me yet because it's a hover thing.

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Commander

[Damon Pritchett]

Mohammad,

I've noticed that any tiddlers that I've done a search and replace in with 
Commander had the tage $:/tags/Commander/Working added to them. Is there 
anyway that this can be avoided? At present, I'm having to manually go in a 
delete that tag from all of the tiddlers that I just modified using 
Commander.

Thanks,

Damon

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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

All,

Just for grins today, I decided to use the methods previously discussed to 
set the default sidebar tab in an empty 5.1.22 TW. Alas, I was unable to 
get the sidebar tab to start up with anything other than the last saved 
tab. The tiddler tagged with $:/tags/StartupAction seemed to have no 
effect. This is slightly different than the behavior in my own TW. Oh well, 
time to let the brain rest and put this in the background for another week 
or two.

Damon

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:44:49 AM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>
> If I'm understanding correctly, you want a way to set the sidebar tab in 
> the new (topbar) menu plugin with 5.1.22?
>
> the sidebar tab for the topbar menu sidebar is set by a separate state 
> tiddler than the normal sidebar-- experiment by clicking each 
> sidebar"instance" and you'll see they don't effect each other, they can be 
> set to different tabs.  The state tiddler I found that changes by clicking 
> the sidebar in the topbar menu was $:/state/tab/sidebar-1477732604
>
> use this list widget to see the newest state tiddler and see which changes 
> when clicking the topbar menu sidebar, then use that state tiddler in the 
> startup tiddler Birthe suggested
>
> <$list filter="[all{shadows}prefix[$:/state]days[-1]]">
>
> {{!!title}} -- {{!!text}}
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: Multi-value fields

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Mat,

That worked beautifully. I was on the right track, but was using double 
quotes around the parameters which was not needed. I still haven't grasped 
completely when they're required and when they're not.

Damon

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:39:02 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> @Damon - I made this for you which seems to work: 
> http://fordamon.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Multi-value fields

[Damon Pritchett]

Mat,

I tried your toggle-in-field macro yesterday. My initial looks are 
positive, but I'm having trouble getting it to work in what I want to do. 
What I'm trying to do is use the macro in a ViewTemplate so that I can set 
a field in certain tiddlers. I've tried various ways to have this work so 
that it modifies the current tiddler and not have to explicitly name the 
tiddler in the macro call, but haven't been successful yet. How do I call 
the macro from a ViewTemplate with the currentTiddler variable?

Thanks,

Damon

On Saturday, August 24, 2019 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Yes, as Anjar says, filter-identifying tiddlers based on snips of field 
> content works.
>
> In addition to Jeds creation, you might also find 
> http://toggle-in-field.tiddlyspot.com/ useful.
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Tony,

That's an excellent approach. When I decide to tackle this problem again, I 
will try to follow this while I'm looking into it.

Damon

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:00:39 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Damon,
>  
>
>> Tony, I tried the empty tiddler approach and, at first blush, nothing 
>> really popped out at me. I think *researching* the whole sidebar 
>> approach is an interesting idea and will certainly be a learning 
>> experience. 
>>
>
> I another thread, a reply of mine 
>  was 
> a wikitext dump of my research notes. Basically containing a list of 
> relevant tiddlers and high level notes. You can think of them as field 
> notes of a researcher.
>
> I thought that what if we/I undertake short focused research building a 
> set of research notes for publishing. It would be an informal way to 
> document more complex mechanisms and give the reader the benefit of a more 
> experienced user. Then further replies and feed back could be incorporated 
> into the research  notes.
>
> This is useful for myself but see it could help others research specific 
> mechanisms. 
>
> Of late I have discovered really interesting methods and possibilities but 
> it will take a lot longer to translate these into either solutions/plugins 
> short sharp and focused research notes may fill the gap. I will try and do 
> one for the sidebar
>  from a designer (not coder) perspective examples would include;
>
>- The Import mechanism
>- The Side Bar Mechanism
>- The Open in new window mechanism
>- The Export mechanism
>- etc...
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Mark & Tony,

Thanks for the replies.

Tony, I tried the empty tiddler approach and, at first blush, nothing 
really popped out at me. I think researching the whole sidebar approach is 
an interesting idea and will certainly be a learning experience. 

Mark, I had previously tried the StartupAction tiddler and it had no 
effect. I did try all three of your suggestions and that changed the 
behavior such that it now opens with the tab that was last saved. It 
definitely seems as if the startup action is not occurring. That state 
tiddler in the startup actions tiddler always has the currently selected 
tab in it.

I think for now, I'm going to follow Tony's advice and let it sit for a 
while and come back to it later.

Thanks,

Damon

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:17:00 PM UTC-7, Mark Kerrigan wrote:
>
> Hello Damon
>
> Don't despair, I struggled with this for quite some time. There's 
> ultimately 3 things I did to make my default sidebar tab "TabMain"
>
> Change 
>
> $:/config/DefaultSidebarTab
>
> contains TabMain
>
> Change 
>
> $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>
> to the following. I made a few more modifications from what the default 
> shadow contents are, but you'll notice TabMain is in first item in the 
> tabsList.
>
> 
>
> <$macrocall $name="tabs" tabsList="TabMain $:/core/ui/SideBar/Open 
> $:/core/ui/SideBar/More" default={{$:/config/DefaultSidebarTab}} 
> state="$:/state/tab/sidebar" />
>
> 
>
> Also create a tiddler called Startup, tag it with $:/tags/StartupAction 
> and add the following
>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/tab/sidebar--595412856" 
> $value="TabMain"/>
>
> If you do all three of these things then you should be able to create your 
> arbitrary tiddler to use as the default sidebar tab.
>
> I created a blank empty TW5 with all of these modifications made if you 
> would like to see it in action.
>
> Thanks
> Mark Kerrigan
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:08:54 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Damon,
>>
>> This is not very common in TiddlyWiki but Can happen. If you get an empty 
>> file and import your existing wiki it should block core tiddlers and the 
>> others are your tiddlers, you could then use the preview on suspicious 
>> tiddlers.
>>
>> Alternatively in your wiki advanced search look for all shadow tiddlers 
>> that have being modified and look inside them to see if the edits could be 
>> the causer.
>>
>> Another method is to research the whole side bar mechanism on an 
>> empty.html and check your own wiki for any variance. 
>>
>> There are many ways to do this that you learn over time. Alternatively 
>> you could make the wiki (or a reduced content version with the same 
>> problem) available to all or a trusted community member and let them have a 
>> look for you.
>>
>> There is also the procrastinators approach, let go of that issue for now 
>> and continue with other items. Procrastinators sometimes suddenly discover 
>> what the did wrong when the stop thinking about it. Thus justifying their 
>> procrastination.
>>
>> best of luck
>>  Tony
>>
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:05:58 AM UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>
>>> After playing around this afternoon disabling and/or uninstalling 
>>> plugins and checking stylesheets, I cannot for the life of me understand 
>>> why my default sidebar tab is stuck at Contents. I downloaded a new, empty 
>>> TW and started to modify it to see what made the default stick, but I 
>>> didn't get very far with other things going on. The brand new TW behaves as 
>>> expected, so something I did along the line broke the default sidebar tab. 
>>> At this point, I'm probably going to go with my work-around by adding what 
>>> I want in the default tab to the Contents tiddler and adding a caption to 
>>> name it what I want. It's making my brain hurt.
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:20:52 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did that and edited all of them to add the tab I wanted as default just 
>>>> like we did last fall. That did not change the behavior at all. Still come 
>>>> up to Contents if it exists or no tab selected if it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Damon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:08:08 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Damon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to advanced search and search for $:/state/tab/sidebar
>>>>> You might have more than one. Then look at the content. I think you 
>>>>> should be able to figure it out. I do remember I got rather confused with 
>>>>> some of my own TWs when we discussed it last fall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

After playing around this afternoon disabling and/or uninstalling plugins 
and checking stylesheets, I cannot for the life of me understand why my 
default sidebar tab is stuck at Contents. I downloaded a new, empty TW and 
started to modify it to see what made the default stick, but I didn't get 
very far with other things going on. The brand new TW behaves as expected, 
so something I did along the line broke the default sidebar tab. At this 
point, I'm probably going to go with my work-around by adding what I want 
in the default tab to the Contents tiddler and adding a caption to name it 
what I want. It's making my brain hurt.

Damon



On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:20:52 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Did that and edited all of them to add the tab I wanted as default just 
> like we did last fall. That did not change the behavior at all. Still come 
> up to Contents if it exists or no tab selected if it doesn't.
>
> Damon
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:08:08 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi Damon,
>>
>> Go to advanced search and search for $:/state/tab/sidebar
>> You might have more than one. Then look at the content. I think you 
>> should be able to figure it out. I do remember I got rather confused with 
>> some of my own TWs when we discussed it last fall.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Did that and edited all of them to add the tab I wanted as default just 
like we did last fall. That did not change the behavior at all. Still come 
up to Contents if it exists or no tab selected if it doesn't.

Damon


On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:08:08 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Damon,
>
> Go to advanced search and search for $:/state/tab/sidebar
> You might have more than one. Then look at the content. I think you should 
> be able to figure it out. I do remember I got rather confused with some of 
> my own TWs when we discussed it last fall.
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Reverse tag trace

[Damon Pritchett]

Ok so here's what I did and it does exactly what I was looking for.

  <$list 
filter="[titlekin:tags:from[]!is[system]!title[Railroads]!title]">
 ->
<$link><$view field="title"/>

  


Thanks to everyone!

Damon



On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Thanks Bimlas,
>
> That did the trick.
>
> Damon
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 10:44:45 PM UTC-7, bimlas wrote:
>>
>> Damon,
>>
>> The kin operators lists the tiddlers just like I'm looking for except 
>>> that they're in alphabetical order
>>>
>>
>> You can use "[[Tiddler E]kin::from[]]" instead of "[kin::from[Tiddler 
>> E]]" to get the hierarchical order - it's not perfect, but I hope it's a 
>> good start.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for responding. I did as you suggested and it made no difference. 
The default tab for the sidebar is stuck at Contents no matter what I've 
tried. 

When this thread started last fall, Birthe's solution worked for me. That 
may be because I was actually wanting it to default to Contents at the 
time.  There must be something in my TW that is causing this. I'm going to 
try to strip down my TW to the bare bones to see if something makes a 
difference. I suppose, in the meantime, I can put the material that I want 
into the Contents tab and move on, but I'd like to know what is going on. I 
guess it's the engineer in me.

Damon


On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:05:12 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Birthe’s solution was along the right lines. Try creating a tiddler tagged 
> $:/tags/StartupActions containing:
>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/tab/sidebar--595412856" 
> $value=“Contents"/>
>
> Substitute for “Contents” the title of the tiddler containing the sidebar 
> tab you want to use.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 31 Mar 2020, at 04:31, TonyM > wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> I understand. Working through every detail can be time consuming. 
>
>- I suggest you make a minimal example of your problem, Test it on 
>Tiddlywiki.com <http://tiddlywiki.com/> or a new empty tiddler and 
>share that code here so I/we can replicate and solve the problem. 
>
> So often when someone prepares an example case like this, they solve the 
> problem themself, anyway, if not, we can definitely help with less 
> time/effort on our part as well.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:25:03 AM UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> The particular tiddler I want to use as the default sidebar does not have 
>> a caption. It's just a single word title.
>>
>> As far as your other comments go, I'm afraid that I did not understand 
>> where you were leading me. I guess it's the lack of detailed TW knowledge.
>>
>> Damon
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 4:39:34 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Daemon
>>>
>>> Some possible leads for you.
>>>
>>> One thing about the sidebar is current tiddler is not set. Qualify makes 
>>> use of currenttiddler. You can set current Tiddler inside your sidebar 
>>> tiddler with the tiddler widget. 
>>>
>>> Inside tabs the currentTab variable replaces current tiddler with the 
>>> tabtiddlers title
>>>
>>> Also when setting the default use the tiddler name not the caption name.
>>>
>>> Best of luck
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Tony,

The particular tiddler I want to use as the default sidebar does not have a 
caption. It's just a single word title.

As far as your other comments go, I'm afraid that I did not understand 
where you were leading me. I guess it's the lack of detailed TW knowledge.

Damon


On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 4:39:34 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Daemon
>
> Some possible leads for you.
>
> One thing about the sidebar is current tiddler is not set. Qualify makes 
> use of currenttiddler. You can set current Tiddler inside your sidebar 
> tiddler with the tiddler widget. 
>
> Inside tabs the currentTab variable replaces current tiddler with the 
> tabtiddlers title
>
> Also when setting the default use the tiddler name not the caption name.
>
> Best of luck
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

So I'm still not having any luck getting the default tab to get set the way 
I want. The tab I'm trying to use as also has a set of horizontal tabs in 
it. I have the default of that set of horizontal tabs default set when I 
set them up. Could this have something to do with it? The state tiddlers 
which I modified previously (see other post in this topic) did not work.

Damon

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 4:41:54 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> No, that is not working.
>
> Damon
>
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 4:36:49 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Daemon
>>
>> The default side bar tab is set in control panel settings or directly
>> $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab
>>
>> Is that what you need?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Reverse tag trace

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Bimlas,

That did the trick.

Damon

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 10:44:45 PM UTC-7, bimlas wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> The kin operators lists the tiddlers just like I'm looking for except that 
>> they're in alphabetical order
>>
>
> You can use "[[Tiddler E]kin::from[]]" instead of "[kin::from[Tiddler E]]" 
> to get the hierarchical order - it's not perfect, but I hope it's a good 
> start.
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[tw5] Re: Reverse tag trace

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Tony,

The kin operators lists the tiddlers just like I'm looking for except that 
they're in alphabetical order (or reverse with the reverse operator). Now 
I've just got to figure out another sorting method using a field (existing 
or new) which is easy enough.

Damon

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 4:30:09 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> There is a great graphical timeline plugin somewhere.
>
> Arguably tiddlywiki can do anything so I urge you try and store the 
> information you have then learn how to present the relationships latter.
>
> To do this well you need to create a tiddler for each entity such as 
> railway lines and businesses then seperatly relationships such as business 
> owns railway. Since the ownership can change you not only need to cater for 
> ownership but start and end dates of ownership. Of course the passage of 
> time will change ownership or add segments to a line so the relationships 
> need to be kept as a series of events. 
>
> I will consider what is needed for this as its a critical algorithium for 
> many applications.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

No, that is not working.

Damon


On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 4:36:49 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Daemon
>
> The default side bar tab is set in control panel settings or directly
> $:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Settings/DefaultSidebarTab
>
> Is that what you need?
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Reverse tag trace

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks for the suggestions. We'll see what I can come up with.

To answer Mark's question, each tiddler represents a railroad that I am 
researching railroads tended to be absorbed or purchased by other 
companies. So in an effort to show the string of companies that any 
particular railroad went through over time is why I asked the question.

Damon

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 6:07:55 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Hope everyone is having a safe and healthy weekend.
>
> I would like to use the list widget and/or macro to do a tag trace on a 
> specific set of tiddlers. In essence, it would be kind of a like a reverse 
> table of contents. I've tried to do this myself, but am really not sure 
> where to start especially since this would be recursive. Let me illustrate 
> what I'd like.
>
> Suppose I have a set of tiddlers that are tagged thusly:
>
> * Tiddler A is tagged with Root
> * Tiddler B is tagged with Tiddler A
> * Tiddler C is tagged with Tiddler A
> * Tiddler D is tagged with Tiddler B
> * Tiddler E is tagged with Tiddler D
>
> In Tiddler E, I would like to display something like this:
>
> Tiddler E -> Tiddler D -> Tiddler B -> Tiddler A -> Root
>
> Tiddler C would show Tiddler C -> Tiddler A -> Root
>
> How would I go about doing this?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Re: Default Sidebar Tab

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey all,

So I installed the menu bar and moved my contents to that instead of having 
it in the sidebar. Now I want my default sidebar tab to be Railroads, but 
what worked with the state tiddlers before does not work now. Now there is 
no sidebar tab selected at all on startup and I haven't been able to do 
anything to change that. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Damon

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 9:35:27 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hello once again,
>
> I would like to have my TW open with my Contents tab in the Sidebar always 
> selected regardless of what the state of the Sidebar the last time I saved. 
> Is there a way to do this? This may be simple, but I haven't found a 
> solution yet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Reverse tag trace

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey all,

Hope everyone is having a safe and healthy weekend.

I would like to use the list widget and/or macro to do a tag trace on a 
specific set of tiddlers. In essence, it would be kind of a like a reverse 
table of contents. I've tried to do this myself, but am really not sure 
where to start especially since this would be recursive. Let me illustrate 
what I'd like.

Suppose I have a set of tiddlers that are tagged thusly:

* Tiddler A is tagged with Root
* Tiddler B is tagged with Tiddler A
* Tiddler C is tagged with Tiddler A
* Tiddler D is tagged with Tiddler B
* Tiddler E is tagged with Tiddler D

In Tiddler E, I would like to display something like this:

Tiddler E -> Tiddler D -> Tiddler B -> Tiddler A -> Root

How would I go about doing this?

Many thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: (re-)Presenting: LeftBar - a menu type sidebar, on the left

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Mat,

I love this plugin! So far it works very well with all of my custom TOCs, 
etc. I also love the way it can appear and hide from the left side. I was 
thinking that this same behavior would be extremely handy for the sidebar 
as well. I have no idea how to make that happen. I looked through your 
plugin and I'm just enough of a newbie to not be able to figure it out. I 
would love to be able to invoke your leftbar from the left side and the 
sidebar from the right side. Is this possible?

Many thanks,

Damon



On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:32:10 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Yes, TWaddle Conglomerates has made a total rework of the previously 
>  
> released LeftBar:
>
> LeftBar 
> - a menu type sidebar, on the left.
>
>
> *LeftBar* is a plugin to get a second sidebar, on the left side. It 
> behaves somewhat differently than the regular sidebar and is intended for 
> *public 
> sites and on mobile* devices.
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing new "Menu Bar" plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

Last post, I promise. A little more investigation into the MenuBar behavior 
reveals that if the menu item is a table of contents based on tags, then 
you can select the different levels without having to open the menu again. 
However, if you're using the ToCP plugin where the table of contents is 
based on the parent field or you're using the tree widget, then you must 
reopen the drop-down every time an item is clicked. I hope that this is a 
simple thing to improve (certainly beyond my current knowledge).

Damon

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Sorry for  all of the posts. I just wanted to mention that I figured out 
> the size of the page control buttons this morning. Amazing what a clearer 
> head will do. I just created a stylesheet that had this in it:
>
> nav.tc-menubar .tc-btn-rounded { font-size: 0.6em; }
>
>
> Now I'm good to go from a button size point of view. The other questions 
> still remain. I tried the pre-release version and it does the same thing.
>
> Damon
>
>
>
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing new "Menu Bar" plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

Sorry for  all of the posts. I just wanted to mention that I figured out 
the size of the page control buttons this morning. Amazing what a clearer 
head will do. I just created a stylesheet that had this in it:

nav.tc-menubar .tc-btn-rounded { font-size: 0.6em; }


Now I'm good to go from a button size point of view. The other questions 
still remain. I tried the pre-release version and it does the same thing.

Damon




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[tw5] Re: Announcing new "Menu Bar" plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

I forgot to mention that when the page controls are turned on and the TW 
has been edited, the save button is not red.

Damon

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> I've also noticed that if the table of contents has a tabbed interface, 
> vertical or horizontal, then it take multiple clicks to navigate to where 
> you want to go. The first click opens the table of contents from the 
> MenuBar, then you click on the tab of choice, then you have to click to 
> open the table of contents from the MenuBar again because the click on the 
> tab closes the drop-down from the MenuBar. Clicking on the MenuBar to open 
> the table of contents again shows the desired tab selected and then you can 
> click on your tiddler of choice. Mat's LeftBar plugin does not behave this 
> way. It stays open until you've clicked the desired tiddler. It doesn't 
> close when clicking a tab. What might it take to keep the drop-down from 
> the MenuBar open when clicking tabs?
>
> Damon
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:00:23 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> I very much like this plugin! I tried using it in the current release and 
>> it works great (haven't tried the prerelease yet). One thing I noticed when 
>> I enabled the page controls is that the buttons for the page controls were 
>> terribly small. It's probably got something to do with my custom 
>> stylesheets, but I like those and would like to independently set the size 
>> of the buttons for the MenuBar. I would also like to independently size the 
>> page controls and the chevron for hiding/showing the sidebar. Maybe it's 
>> because I have a headache today, but it wasn't clear to me how to make 
>> these all independent.
>>
>> Damon 
>>
>> On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:39 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve committed the first version of a new “Menu Bar” plugin, and would 
>>> welcome thoughts and feedback.
>>>
>>> The main features are:
>>>
>>> * Supports simple links and dropdowns
>>> * Includes a built-in dropdown search box and a table of contents 
>>> dropdown
>>> * Menu items may be individually enabled/disabled
>>> * Snaps down to a dropdown hamburger menu if the screen/window is 
>>> narrower than a preset breakpoint
>>> * Incorporates any items from the core top left/right menu bars (e.g. 
>>> the sidebar chevron)
>>>
>>> You can try it out on the prerelease:
>>>
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>>
>>> There are still a few minor issues:
>>>
>>> * The menubar overlaps the title when the window is narrow enough to 
>>> show the sidebar above the story river
>>> * It doesn’t work with sticky titles
>>>
>>> I’ve enabled the menubar on the prerelease so that people can try it 
>>> out. But a bigger question is whether we should enable it by default on 
>>> tiddlywiki.com, and if so with what items?
>>>
>>> I’m well aware that there is plenty of prior work in this area, and this 
>>> plugin isn’t trying to replace all of those existing solutions. It’s an 
>>> attempt to make the simplest thing that is responsive and works with 
>>> dropdowns.
>>>
>>> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing new "Menu Bar" plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

I've also noticed that if the table of contents has a tabbed interface, 
vertical or horizontal, then it take multiple clicks to navigate to where 
you want to go. The first click opens the table of contents from the 
MenuBar, then you click on the tab of choice, then you have to click to 
open the table of contents from the MenuBar again because the click on the 
tab closes the drop-down from the MenuBar. Clicking on the MenuBar to open 
the table of contents again shows the desired tab selected and then you can 
click on your tiddler of choice. Mat's LeftBar plugin does not behave this 
way. It stays open until you've clicked the desired tiddler. It doesn't 
close when clicking a tab. What might it take to keep the drop-down from 
the MenuBar open when clicking tabs?

Damon



On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:00:23 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> I very much like this plugin! I tried using it in the current release and 
> it works great (haven't tried the prerelease yet). One thing I noticed when 
> I enabled the page controls is that the buttons for the page controls were 
> terribly small. It's probably got something to do with my custom 
> stylesheets, but I like those and would like to independently set the size 
> of the buttons for the MenuBar. I would also like to independently size the 
> page controls and the chevron for hiding/showing the sidebar. Maybe it's 
> because I have a headache today, but it wasn't clear to me how to make 
> these all independent.
>
> Damon 
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:39 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I’ve committed the first version of a new “Menu Bar” plugin, and would 
>> welcome thoughts and feedback.
>>
>> The main features are:
>>
>> * Supports simple links and dropdowns
>> * Includes a built-in dropdown search box and a table of contents dropdown
>> * Menu items may be individually enabled/disabled
>> * Snaps down to a dropdown hamburger menu if the screen/window is 
>> narrower than a preset breakpoint
>> * Incorporates any items from the core top left/right menu bars (e.g. the 
>> sidebar chevron)
>>
>> You can try it out on the prerelease:
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>
>> There are still a few minor issues:
>>
>> * The menubar overlaps the title when the window is narrow enough to show 
>> the sidebar above the story river
>> * It doesn’t work with sticky titles
>>
>> I’ve enabled the menubar on the prerelease so that people can try it out. 
>> But a bigger question is whether we should enable it by default on 
>> tiddlywiki.com, and if so with what items?
>>
>> I’m well aware that there is plenty of prior work in this area, and this 
>> plugin isn’t trying to replace all of those existing solutions. It’s an 
>> attempt to make the simplest thing that is responsive and works with 
>> dropdowns.
>>
>> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing new "Menu Bar" plugin

[Damon Pritchett]

I very much like this plugin! I tried using it in the current release and 
it works great (haven't tried the prerelease yet). One thing I noticed when 
I enabled the page controls is that the buttons for the page controls were 
terribly small. It's probably got something to do with my custom 
stylesheets, but I like those and would like to independently set the size 
of the buttons for the MenuBar. I would also like to independently size the 
page controls and the chevron for hiding/showing the sidebar. Maybe it's 
because I have a headache today, but it wasn't clear to me how to make 
these all independent.

Damon 

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:39 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve committed the first version of a new “Menu Bar” plugin, and would 
> welcome thoughts and feedback.
>
> The main features are:
>
> * Supports simple links and dropdowns
> * Includes a built-in dropdown search box and a table of contents dropdown
> * Menu items may be individually enabled/disabled
> * Snaps down to a dropdown hamburger menu if the screen/window is narrower 
> than a preset breakpoint
> * Incorporates any items from the core top left/right menu bars (e.g. the 
> sidebar chevron)
>
> You can try it out on the prerelease:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>
> There are still a few minor issues:
>
> * The menubar overlaps the title when the window is narrow enough to show 
> the sidebar above the story river
> * It doesn’t work with sticky titles
>
> I’ve enabled the menubar on the prerelease so that people can try it out. 
> But a bigger question is whether we should enable it by default on 
> tiddlywiki.com, and if so with what items?
>
> I’m well aware that there is plenty of prior work in this area, and this 
> plugin isn’t trying to replace all of those existing solutions. It’s an 
> attempt to make the simplest thing that is responsive and works with 
> dropdowns.
>
> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Drag & drop of plugins not working quite right

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks for the reminder, Eric. I had completely blanked on that. 

Damon

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[tw5] Drag & drop of plugins not working quite right

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey TiddlyWiki gurus,

I've noticed a problem lately where, when I drag and drop a plugin from 
someone, only the top level summary tiddler is being imported and not the 
contents of the plugin. I'm not exactly sure when this started, but it is 
quite annoying. It's not too bad when a plugin has a small number of 
associated tiddlers, but some have a very large number and I have to drag 
and drop everyone of them into my TW. Any thoughts on why this may be 
happening and how to fix it? One observation I've noticed is that the 
orange bar at the top of my TW was missing for a long time, but now that 
it's back (why I do not know), all parts of a plugin are not being 
imported. Help, please.

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: RefNotes plugin questions

[Damon Pritchett]

Mohammad,

I just figured out a way to get the "Footnotes:" to look the way I want. I 
just used the html  tag and it works beautifully. 

Damon

On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 11:36:32 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Damen,
>  A ticked has been created. I will notify you as soon as I added this 
> feature!
> See: https://github.com/kookma/Refnotes/issues/3
>
> Please let me know if there is other issues or feature request.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 7:06:30 AM UTC+3:30, Damon Pritchett 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mohammad,
>>
>> I love your RefNotes plugin and am wondering about a couple of things. 
>>
>> I would like to have "Footnotes:" appear at the beginning of the 
>> footnotes list when I use showfnotes. But I don't want that to show if 
>> there are no footnotes. For example, if there are 3 footnotes then the 
>> output would look something like this:
>>
>> Footnotes:
>>  1. blah blah blah
>>  2. more of the same
>>  3. and I think that's the end.
>>
>>
>>
>> But if there are no footnotes in the tiddler, then I would like to not 
>> have the "Footnotes:" appear. I've been trying many different things, but 
>> haven't been able to figure it out yet.
>>
>> Also, I was wondering if there was a way to handle more than one footnote 
>> for the same sentence. Meaning there would be two or more superscript 
>> numerals separated by commas. Is that possible?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>

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[tw5] RefNotes plugin questions

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Mohammad,

I love your RefNotes plugin and am wondering about a couple of things. 

I would like to have "Footnotes:" appear at the beginning of the footnotes 
list when I use showfnotes. But I don't want that to show if there are no 
footnotes. For example, if there are 3 footnotes then the output would look 
something like this:

Footnotes:
 1. blah blah blah
 2. more of the same
 3. and I think that's the end.



But if there are no footnotes in the tiddler, then I would like to not have 
the "Footnotes:" appear. I've been trying many different things, but 
haven't been able to figure it out yet.

Also, I was wondering if there was a way to handle more than one footnote 
for the same sentence. Meaning there would be two or more superscript 
numerals separated by commas. Is that possible?

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: Slider Plugin: Create trails, guided help, linear sequence of tiddlers for tutorial, lesson, step by step instructions

[Damon Pritchett]

Thanks Mohammad,

I'm looking forward to your updates. I will consider your other suggestions 
in the mean time.

Damon

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:42:37 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Damon,
>  I have added a ticket here: https://github.com/kookma/slider/issues/2
>
> I will add this to new release, while I need to see how user select 
> between current and new behavior.
>
> By the way for quick solution now
>
>1. use slider in zoonin story view
>2. switch to Tiddlyshow (https://github.com/kookma/Tiddlyshow) which 
>is designed for slide show and presentation
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 8:06:36 AM UTC+3:30, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mohammad,
>>
>> Thanks for another great plugin. I definitely have plans for this one. 
>> May I make a suggestion? Could you modify it such that clicking the arrows 
>> in the lower left of each slide would be like your simple navigation in 
>> that it closes one tiddler and opens the next one? That would be more in 
>> tune with having a slide presentation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> *Announcement: Slider Plugin*
>>> *Date: Jun 15th, 2019*
>>>
>>> Slider v1.1
>>>
>>> Slider is a small plugin to create an ordered set of tiddlers also 
>>> called *Trail*.
>>>
>>> A trail can be used to create a sequence of selected contents like step 
>>> by step tutorial, guided help, lessons and similar.
>>>
>>> The slider plugin user interface contains three sections
>>>
>>>1. A sidebar tab called *Trails* to manage trails
>>>2. A *dashboard* for each trail (where trail structure is managed)
>>>3. Tiddlers in a trail, also called *slides*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Source code*
>>>
>>>   https://github.com/kookma/slider
>>>
>>>
>>> *Demo page*
>>>
>>> https://kookma.github.io/slider/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Install*
>>>
>>>- Simply drag and drop $:/plugins/kookma/slider, or
>>>- Go to https://github.com/kookma/slider
>>>   - downlaod the slider_plugin.tid
>>>   - drag and drop to your wiki
>>>
>>> Always save and reload your wiki to have the plugin in action. 
>>>
>>>
>>> *Feedback*
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Raise issues and send your questions on GitHub
>>>2. Send your evaluation result here or on the GitHub
>>>3. Send your use case and give link for acknowledgement
>>>4. It is good to star it on GitHub if you like it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Note:*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Slider tries to create linear content in the highly nonlinear 
>>> environment of Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Slider was designed as side product when I was working with 
>>>Tiddlyshow
>>>2. Tiddlyshow will have soon a new update
>>>3. See discussion here: Jeremy and Joe
>>><https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/_0x90vyvdFU/ZFmlk44kIAAJ>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Improvement*
>>>
>>>
>>>1. The TW official toc macro does not support exclude filter, this 
>>>causes to have the footer in the list of tiddler
>>>2. Interested people are invited to create thems
>>>3. Some special TW theme are not recommended to be used with Slider, 
>>>one can develop code for compatibility
>>>4. Some people may like to have shortcuts, but I did not add this 
>>>feature to have less overlaps with Tiddlyshow
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Slider Plugin: Create trails, guided help, linear sequence of tiddlers for tutorial, lesson, step by step instructions

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey Mohammad,

Thanks for another great plugin. I definitely have plans for this one. May 
I make a suggestion? Could you modify it such that clicking the arrows in 
the lower left of each slide would be like your simple navigation in that 
it closes one tiddler and opens the next one? That would be more in tune 
with having a slide presentation.

Thanks,

Damon

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *Announcement: Slider Plugin*
> *Date: Jun 15th, 2019*
>
> Slider v1.1
>
> Slider is a small plugin to create an ordered set of tiddlers also called 
> *Trail*.
>
> A trail can be used to create a sequence of selected contents like step by 
> step tutorial, guided help, lessons and similar.
>
> The slider plugin user interface contains three sections
>
>1. A sidebar tab called *Trails* to manage trails
>2. A *dashboard* for each trail (where trail structure is managed)
>3. Tiddlers in a trail, also called *slides*
>
>
> *Source code*
>
>   https://github.com/kookma/slider
>
>
> *Demo page*
>
> https://kookma.github.io/slider/
>
>
>
> *Install*
>
>- Simply drag and drop $:/plugins/kookma/slider, or
>- Go to https://github.com/kookma/slider
>   - downlaod the slider_plugin.tid
>   - drag and drop to your wiki
>
> Always save and reload your wiki to have the plugin in action. 
>
>
> *Feedback*
>
>
>1. Raise issues and send your questions on GitHub
>2. Send your evaluation result here or on the GitHub
>3. Send your use case and give link for acknowledgement
>4. It is good to star it on GitHub if you like it
>
>
>
> *Note:*
>
>
>
> Slider tries to create linear content in the highly nonlinear environment 
> of Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. Slider was designed as side product when I was working with 
>Tiddlyshow
>2. Tiddlyshow will have soon a new update
>3. See discussion here: Jeremy and Joe
>
>
>
> *Improvement*
>
>
>1. The TW official toc macro does not support exclude filter, this 
>causes to have the footer in the list of tiddler
>2. Interested people are invited to create thems
>3. Some special TW theme are not recommended to be used with Slider, 
>one can develop code for compatibility
>4. Some people may like to have shortcuts, but I did not add this 
>feature to have less overlaps with Tiddlyshow
>
>
> Best regards
> Mohammad
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Damon Pritchett]

Hello all,

I answered my own question and took the liberty of modifying the 
ViewTemplate to use the details widget instead of a reveal button. It will 
not open and close without modifying the TW. I've included the modified 
version. I was also able to position it exactly where I wanted to versus my 
other ViewTemplates and the comments by using the ViewTemplate tag pill to 
reorder things. I also thing I know how to make it such that only certain 
tiddlers will be affected. I haven't tried this, but I've done that with 
other ViewTemplates.

Damon

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 8:51:52 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I love your plugin. I think it's going to be very useful. I have a couple 
> of questions. I noticed that when I close the lists at the bottom, the TW 
> actually gets modified and the save button in the sidebar turns red. Might 
> there be a way to not have this happen? Also, I was wondering if it would 
> be possible to have a configuration setting such that the lists could 
> either default closed or open.
>
> Thanks for the hard work. 
>
> Damon
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 3:47:39 AM UTC-7, HC Haase wrote:
>>
>>
>>>  I checked this with https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>> In HelloThere tiddler I see
>>> 6 Tagged with *HelloThere 
>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#HelloThere>*
>>>
>>> Why HelloThere is missing here?
>>>
>>
>> Ah- thanks. This is due to my bad design choice. The title of the current 
>> tiddler was set to cursive in order to highlight it. So with  cammelCase 
>> the links looks like it is missing. I didn't think of that.  I have changed 
>> this to bold instead.
>>
>> *Announcement*: TOC Generic
>> *Date*: 2020/01/27
>> *Release*: 1.1.1
>>
>>
>> 2020/01/27
>>
>>- [Fix] styling of TOC headings. Set to bold so cammelCase won’t show 
>>false non-existing link.
>>- [Update] readme
>>
>>
>> Road map
>>
>> At some point I want to 
>>
>>- Add an exclude-filter (e.g. exclude advanced search)
>>- Make the show/hide option tiddler specific (maybe) ??? Does anyone 
>>have an idea of the best way to do this? If I do it with a field in each 
>>tiddler, the modify-date will constantly change and that's not good.
>>
>>

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