[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

:-D

5.14 came out with several notable improvements especially when it comes to 
drag and drop. Naturally it created a wealth of opportunities. 

It also goes on to prove that TW5 can act as a good backbone for dedicated 
single page applications. It is quite possible to have a wunderlist clone or 
teuxdeux clone in TW5. 

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Stephen Wilson]

You wait years for a Kanban solution the two come along at once.

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 08:55:35 UTC, Riz wrote:
>
> Also,  try the standalone version,  which has more features. 
>
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Tekkan
>
> Let me know if you have any feedback
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

Also,  try the standalone version,  which has more features. 

https://github.com/ibnishak/Tekkan

Let me know if you have any feedback

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

Sorry,  I was going to put up a single source of truth but got busy later. 

These are the links: 

Demo: 
https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan

Instructions, Addons and download: 
https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan/Tekan.html

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Yang Wen-Ming]

I can not get the look like you have. Here is what I got when I clicked the 
websites. Please help!


Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/於 2017年10月23日星期一 UTC+8下午9時38分58秒寫道：
>
> Wow this is nice work.
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:54:40 PM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
>> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
>> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
>> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
>> another and here is Tekan. 
>>
>> Demo: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
>> Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html
>>
>> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> live long and prosper,
>> Riz 
>>
>>   
>>
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

thanks:) 

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

Wow this is nice work.

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:54:40 PM UTC-4, Riz wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Hi there.
>
> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
> another and here is Tekan. 
>
> Demo: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
> Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html
>
> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> live long and prosper,
> Riz 
>
>   
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[TonyM]

Josiah,

Since you are stating your current strategy, I will share mine. On Windows 
10


   - I have FireFox ESR (Portable.com version) in the wings should I 
   require it. I am trialing tiddlydesktop for my large legacy TWC
   - I am running the General release version of Firefox and receiving 
   updates as they come.
   - I am running TiddlyServer on my Windows Desktop with generous folders, 
   through which I can locate any TiddlyWiki be it file or node.
   - I document and capture each tiddlywikis tiddlyServer address and 
   Navigate to it that way eg 
   http://192.168.1.109:8088/Development/Folder/Kanbantodo.html at My IP 
   Address
   
Regards

Tony

  

I create new tws using copy empty or NodeJS 

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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

hm. well,  it was worth a shot.

yeah,  but things are looking up. Hope 57 lives up to th hype

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>
> Thanks for trying.
>
> It didn't work ...
>
>
>
> I hadn't realised that this kind of layout was still not so supported.
>
> J.
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Riz,

Thanks for trying.

It didn't work ...



I hadn't realised that this kind of layout was still not so supported.

J.

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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

Can you drag and drop the attached json and see? I have tracked down some
old compatible property declarations. It might work.

On 28 September 2017 at 19:56, Rizwan Ishak 
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> Apparently firefox started supporting it since 54 onwards
>
> https://caniuse.com/#search=flex
>
> On 28 September 2017 at 19:32, @TiddlyTweeter 
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>> EEK! I hate that kind of complexity.
>>
>> Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> ... firefox 55 in linux and things are working without glitch here.
>>>
>>> @TiddlyTweeter
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 ... in ... Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v.
> 52.3. But ...
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

Apparently firefox started supporting it since 54 onwards

https://caniuse.com/#search=flex

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> EEK! I hate that kind of complexity.
>
> Riz wrote:
>>
>> ... firefox 55 in linux and things are working without glitch here.
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>
>>> ... in ... Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v.
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[@TiddlyTweeter]

EEK! I hate that kind of complexity.

Riz wrote:
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> @TiddlyTweeter 
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>> ... in ... Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v. 
>>> 52.3. But ...
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

I am working on firefox 55 in linux and things are working without glitch
here. Let me see what I can do.

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> Riz wrote:
>>
>> I am actually worried about Firefox in that list, in that list. Can you
>> confirm if it is the latest version of firefox or firefox ESR? The closest
>> windows computer I have access to is like 50+ kms away.
>>
>
> Its the latest Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v.
> 52.3. But, essentially it will be the same for later versions, I think.
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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

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Riz wrote:
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> I am actually worried about Firefox in that list, in that list. Can you 
> confirm if it is the latest version of firefox or firefox ESR? The closest 
> windows computer I have access to is like 50+ kms away. 
>

Its the latest Firefox ESR (Windows 64-bit Portable Apps. Version) -- v. 
52.3. But, essentially it will be the same for later versions, I think. 

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

I am actually worried about Firefox in that list, in that list. Can you
confirm if it is the latest version of firefox or firefox ESR? The closest
windows computer I have access to is like 50+ kms away.

IE is disappointing but it is pointless to please that. If IE with close to
10% share of users is not a huge deal, Edge with less than 4% can be also
chucked.

That said, it would be seriously rad to support everything.

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> Caro Riz ...
>
> Just noting that I think its got some (probably esoteric) CSS issues ...
>
> -- On Chrome (win) it works well.
>
> -- On Opera (win) it works.
>
> -- On Firefox (win) it breaks on scroll right.
>
> -- On IE its unusable (not a big deal).
>
> -- On Edge it doesn't work--and that's an issue.
>
> -- Safari I haven't tried.
>
> It seems to me there are two aspects to this ... Trelloish for local and
> Trelloish for broadcast.
>
> To be able to use this reliably publicly i need know it renders well, or
> degrades well.
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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Caro Riz ...

Just noting that I think its got some (probably esoteric) CSS issues ...

-- On Chrome (win) it works well.

-- On Opera (win) it works.

-- On Firefox (win) it breaks on scroll right.

-- On IE its unusable (not a big deal).

-- On Edge it doesn't work--and that's an issue.

-- Safari I haven't tried.

It seems to me there are two aspects to this ... Trelloish for local and 
Trelloish for broadcast.

To be able to use this reliably publicly i need know it renders well, or 
degrades well.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

Hey  Cyrill,

Attached is a JSON file with the feature you asked for. In the edit card 
modal, it will show a new button that will open the card in the normal TW 
mode.

Download, drag and drop it to your TW while you are in the TW-mode

sincerely
Riz

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Re: [tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Rizwan Ishak]

The first one can be done. Give me a couple of hours till I get back.

The second one is trickier.  As of now,  the content of the text field is
parsed as plain text.  Wikifying it is something I set aside for the next
version. I ll definitely include easier ways to expand the features in the
next edition.

On 27-Sep-2017 7:14 PM, "Cyrill" <2rig...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes,

this could be one possibility or sometthing like a popup with the content
of clicked tiddler.

By this way you could probably have sometthing like a matrix, to opt as
back door to the other predefined boards there or by following the inherent
linking of the choosed tiddler.

Best Regards



Am Mittwoch, 27. September 2017 13:47:00 UTC+2 schrieb Riz:
>
> Hey Cyrill,
>
> As in,  you want a button to close the tekan mode and navigate to the
> active card tiddler in the tiddlywiki mode?
>
> sincerely
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Cyrill]

Yes,

this could be one possibility or sometthing like a popup with the content 
of clicked tiddler.

By this way you could probably have sometthing like a matrix, to opt as 
back door to the other predefined boards there or by following the inherent 
linking of the choosed tiddler.

Best Regards


Am Mittwoch, 27. September 2017 13:47:00 UTC+2 schrieb Riz:
>
> Hey Cyrill, 
>
> As in,  you want a button to close the tekan mode and navigate to the 
> active card tiddler in the tiddlywiki mode? 
>
> sincerely 
> Riz
>
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

Hey Cyrill, 

As in,  you want a button to close the tekan mode and navigate to the active 
card tiddler in the tiddlywiki mode? 

sincerely 
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Cyrill]

Hey,

I like the idea behind this TW. But how to open a card-Tiddler direcly form 
the kanbanBoard ?

Kind Regards
Cyrill

Am Mittwoch, 20. September 2017 03:54:40 UTC+2 schrieb Riz:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Hi there.
>
> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
> another and here is Tekan. 
>
> Demo: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
> Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html
>
> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> live long and prosper,
> Riz 
>
>   
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

So I have updated the Tekan ironing out the pointed bugs. The changes made 
are

1. Empty message when you have not loaded a board
2. Camel case as a board name won't be creating visibility issues any more.
3. Dragging and dropping to empy lists and last position of a list will be 
working. 
4. Draft tiddlers won't be showing up as duplicate lists.
5. When a card is dragged into another list, all other tags of said card 
will remain intact.
6. Lists will not retain the cards removed from the in the list field.


In addition, I have included three optional addon buttons for your perusal. 
1. Tiddler to board button: A view tool bar button that will enable you to 
view the current tiddler as a tekan board temporarily. All the tiddlers 
that carries the tag of current tiddler will become lists, and the next in 
hierarchy become cards, and the next will become checklist items. 
2. Board to Org Mode button: Helps you export the current board to Emacs 
org-mode format. 
3. Board to Org Mode button: Helps you export the current board to markdown 
task list format. 


And finally, I have left instructions for building custom buttons as per 
your needs. 


Installation is going to need an extra step this time, although. You need 
to delete all non shadow tiddlers that was part of Tekan package, but was 
later converted to system tiddlers. Go to Advanced Search > Filters tab. 
Seearch for "[prefix[$:/Tekan]]". using the delete button that shows up on 
the right to search field, delete them altogether. Now go to "
https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html; and drag and 
drop the plugin.


Wahouh !! Amazing peace of work Riz !! I miss you with your css skill with 
> TW !!
>
> Thanks for sharing.
> Sylvain
>


@Sylvain

Thank you, that is generous of you :-)
I hope thinks are going well at the French side of things.  

Well done Riz!
>
> A very useful and good looking plugin.
>
>
> Best regards.
>
> Eskha
>

Thank you !!

@Reid

Thanks for the in-depth analysis. The bugs you mentioned have been murdered.

If the Trello UI were contained in a tiddler this way, it would 
> also be compatible with the built in "Open In New Window" feature.
>

It would have been perfect but for lack of a thing - modals. When you click 
on modal triggers in the new window, the modals open in the parent window. 
Since I have plans to drive a lot of functionality through modals, this 
would be difficult. Of course you can work around via entirely html popups. 
It takes time, and effort to that. In additon, there were minor 
irritations, like popups that won't go away despite clicking outside them 
and so on. 

 It uses an extra $droppable widget outside of the $list with two 
> elements inside, one which is invisible but always present to provide area 
> to drop onto, and a second which only shows up when it's parent dynamically 
> receives the "tc-dragover" class while an active drag is hovering. It will 
> be interesting to see what solution you choose.


I just wrapped the list footer in a droppable widget.

   My solution to this was to allow text content in the title (preferred to 
> be two or three words, or even better a unique ID), but also provide a new 
> field ("shorttext") in which users can type long sentences
>

The idea is perfect. In fact in my  Tekan standalone editon, I am following 
a similar path. However, when tekan is offered as a plugin, the scenario is 
different. I am of the opinion that plugins should not demand a change in 
behaviour from the user, rather should cater to existing pattern of usage. 
Tekan is intended to convert/view an existing TW5 in kanban mode, not urge 
them to start over in a different format. The measures where taken in that 
regard. In the afore-mentioned standalone editon, I have much more freedom 
to tweak and bundle more plugins.

   Since we are both interested in providing this function to TiddlyWiki, I 
> imagine a collaboration between us would go far.
>

Much as I would like to, I think if we work on our own projects, the 
community would have more options to choose from. We can always exchange 
ideas. I am looking forward to the release of Dropboard. 
Much work is pending on my end. Mobile platform demands a solution that is 
driven by "not-dragging-and-dropping". I would love to see a parser rule  
for a checkbox. Possobly switch wikitext with markdown, and so on. 



@TiddlyTweeter

   I'm VERY interested in the approach as a way to emulate visually 
> https://tweetdeck.twitter.com
>

It is not difficult actually. You just need someone with time and patience.

Why can't the Text field be displayed?
>
Reid's work already does this. I am halfway through that in another 
edition. So it is cool.

  Why not cover the way Pinterest & Tweetdeck work at the same time
>

If only we had infinite time to do all the things we love!!! :-)


sincerely
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Reid & Riz

I want to brief comments now because you are both moving on with your 
Trello Variants so I want to get in early ... :-).

I'm VERY interested in the approach as a way to emulate visually 
https://tweetdeck.twitter.com 

Quick points ...

1 - Though you semi-cloning Trello I think you going a little bit too far 
on how you thinking about field content. Its potentially restrictive and 
would make my life difficult if i wanted to use if for presentation of 
Tweets. My Tweets are in the normal TEXT field in plain text. I don't want 
to have to move them EITHER to the Title field or a note field. *Why can't 
the Text field be displayed*? Okay maybe like this: *IF there is no note 
field created then the text field displays in plain text*? You get my idea. 
Otherwise you have to re-write everything just for those interfaces.

2 - I agree with Reid on Titles. IMO using the Title as a unique Index / id 
would make most sense. Taking my Twitter like example all Tiddlers are 
auto-sequentially numbered Tweet 1 ... Tweet XX. The Titles are NEVER 
displayed precisely because they ARE the index. 

Reid wrote: The title field is also how tiddlers are stored in lists. When 
> typing long sentences in many cards, this means list operations must handle 
> very many characters. My solution to this was to allow text content in the 
> title (preferred to be two or three words, or even better a unique ID), but 
> also provide a new field ("shorttext") in which users can type long 
> sentences or paragraphs without having to worry about performance problems. 
>

3 - the approach to columnised layout interests me as MUCH, more than, your 
thinking Trello-like. Why not cover the way Pinterest & Tweetdeck work at 
the same time :-)

Both of you
Many thanks for opening something up so EXCELLENT.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Eskha]

Well done Riz!

A very useful and good looking plugin.


Best regards.

Eskha

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Reid Gould]

Hi Riz,

Very interesting adaptation of the sitepoint article 
! It 
does feel rather good to see the full Trello interface working inside 
TiddlyWiki. 

The technique of removing the $:/tags/PageTemplate tag from the default 
layout elements is an idea that never occurred to me. It is certainly a 
good way to look past other distractions that I may have open in my story 
and focus on the big picture. My first thought is that perhaps this could 
be a feature on its own, a way to "maximize" any single tiddler, rather 
than creating an entirely isolated interface. If the Trello UI were 
contained in a tiddler this way, it would also be compatible with the built 
in "Open In New Window" feature.

I see there is some discussion in this thread about how to enable the 
ability to drop at the end of lists, and inside empty lists. To enable both 
of these in my plugin, BLC 
, I followed the 
example of the built in list-tagged-draggable 

 macro. 
You'll see it uses an extra $droppable widget outside of the $list with two 
elements inside, one which is invisible but always present to provide area 
to drop onto, and a second which only shows up when it's parent dynamically 
receives the "tc-dragover" class while an active drag is hovering. It will 
be interesting to see what solution you choose.

I looked at how you are storing the list order. I'm happy to see that you 
chose to store it in the list field of the "list" tiddler while allowing 
tags to determine visibility. But also, I've noticed some bugs:
When I open a tiddler that is a list, then open the info panel, and choose 
the "list" tab, there are some entries that have titles of nonexistent or 
deleted tiddlers, I dragged the same card into each list once, and indeed, 
the card is now showing in each list's "list" field. 
If I create multiple tiddlers in the normal TW view, tag them with a list, 
then go into Tekan view, cards I drag onto the new cards only go down to 
the bottom of the ones that were already there.  
If I have a draft of a list open in the main view, it will show up as a 
separate list in Tekan. Drafts of cards also show up as separate cards. 
If I give a tiddler any tags in normal view, then drag it in Tekan, it 
removes all the tags I gave it and only the tag of the list remains.
My last item is not a "bug" but a concern about performance and stability. 
The cards store all their text in the "title" field of the tiddler. The 
title field is also how tiddlers are stored in lists. When typing long 
sentences in many cards, this means list operations must handle very many 
characters. My solution to this was to allow text content in the title 
(preferred to be two or three words, or even better a unique ID), but also 
provide a new field ("shorttext") in which users can type long sentences or 
paragraphs without having to worry about performance problems.
These are things I've also run into and are all solved in BLC 
. Its open source of 
course, so feel free to see if any solutions there suit Tekan.

I think that imitating the appearance of Trello closely is a fantastic way 
to give users a familiar and comfortable interface. I'm also impressed with 
your edit modal. I attempted something like that in an early version of BLC 
but was not able to get it working to my satisfaction. 

Since we are both interested in providing this function to TiddlyWiki, I 
imagine a collaboration between us would go far. A stable and complete 
"version 1" of *DropBoard* (at that point, formerly BLC 
!) should be ready 
within two weeks time. If you're interested in talking about how we could 
bring the best of these two things together, feel free to send me a private 
email, or we can start a new public discussion for that on its own.

- Reid

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 8:54:40 PM UTC-5, Riz wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Hi there.
>
> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
> another and here is Tekan. 
>
> Demo and Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
>
> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> live long and prosper,
> Riz 
>
>   
>

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Sylvain Naudin]

Wahouh !! Amazing peace of work Riz !! I miss you with your css skill with 
TW !!

Thanks for sharing.
Sylvain

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[TonyM]

Riz,
 

> If I am to take a very wild guess, you might have tried to create a list  
> before create a new board. You said you cannot create lists or cards, you 
> did not mention boards. Is it so?
>
Using + To Create "MyBoard"k, but almost missed the title as it is a 
similar colour to the background
 

> Are you able to create lists or cards in demo?
>

I can create lists and cards after creating a new board 

>
> Okey, let me know at which of the following steps is it not acting as 
> expected, okey?
>
> 1. Go https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html and as 
> usual, drag and drop it to a TW5
>
Redone
 

> 2. You will find a new page control button appearing next to "Save Wiki" 
> button. Click that and enter Tekan mode
>
Done as before
 

> 3. From the top bar, click the "+" button and create a new board.
>

*This is what I missed* 

> 4. On the list area, click on the "Add new list" to create a new list
>
Works
 

> 5. And on the new list, click "add a card" in footer to create a new card.

 
Works

Riz,

My Bad, but points to a need to provide a message/indicator when sitting in 
"No Board Mode" to first create a board. Looking good Thank you. PS the 
colour is not so good when the board includes CamelCase in the board title. 
See attached the Board name is "HPSaT Primary" but the link is only to 
http://127.0.0.1:8080/#HPSaT




Oddly having the same default colour as my Other board is oddly 
disconcerting. 

Making changes in our own stylesheet to override $:/Tekan/Substyles is that 
way to adjust I assume?


Along withthe BLC Plugin (soon to be renamed), we will be spoilt for choice.

Source found at: https://github.com/reidgould/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin

User guide found at: http://reidgould.github.io/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin 


Both solutions provide a new way interact with list management which is a 
tiddlywki strength. I would point our to users that these tools could be 
used to manage list of tiddlers for a range of purposes.


You have sparked a lot of feedback because what you have done is so 
compelling, please don't feel overwhelmed. Here is one of my suggestions.


Allow the Board to be opened in New Window like an regular tiddler can, so 
it can be seperated on multiple screens to a new screen or allow alt tab 
betweeh the board and story.



Regards

Tony

 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:07:48 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Tony
>
>
> Looks familiar :)
>>
>
> :-D
>
>
> On your demo I note you can drag a card to a new list until it has at 
>> least one card
>>
>
>
> Yes, that, and the fact that you cannot drag a card to the last position 
> of a list are my two major remaining headaches. Basically they are one and 
> the same problem. The last position obviously needs a different set of 
> droppable actions. I am thinking of defining an empty class before footer 
> to allow this. So far I haven't had any luck. Will update as soon as I have 
> one.  
>
> Unfortunately, I can't create lists or cards on my own TW5 Notes 
>> Tiddlywiki and another of my wikis, including one that is close to empty.
>>
>
> Are there any more dependencies for the plugin?
>>
>
> What can I do to troubleshoot it?
>>
>
>
> Oh, that is unfortunate.
> No, the plugin does not have any dependencies. 
> If I am to take a very wild guess, you might have tried to create a list  
> before create a new board. You said you cannot create lists or cards, you 
> did not mention boards. Is it so?
> Are you able to create lists or cards in demo?
>
> Okey, let me know at which of the following steps is it not acting as 
> expected, okey?
>
> 1. Go https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html and as 
> usual, drag and drop it to a TW5
> 2. You will find a new page control button appearing next to "Save Wiki" 
> button. Click that and enter Tekan mode
> 3. From the top bar, click the "+" button and create a new board.
> 4. On the list area, click on the "Add new list" to create a new list
> 5. And on the new list, click "add a card" in footer to create a new card. 
>
>
> sincerely, 
> Riz
>

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

Ok, so Firefox ESR on Win 7. Noted. Will check as soon as I can lay my 
hands on one.

Riz 

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[@TiddlyTweeter]

FYI, the problem does NOT occur for the same TW with latest Chrome on Win 7 
64-bit. There its looking good on very wide screen ...



Best, J

I just downloaded your naked TW to check. Same issue. I'm using Firefox ESR 
>> 52.3 (Win 64 v 7).
>>
>
> Hmmm, now I want to know if the same thing happens to everyone? Anybody? 
>
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Riz 

In line with that I SUGGEST Liberating The Right so the styling continues 
>> infinitely. As it is it breaks ...
>>
>
> I remember. In fact we toyed with for some time last year... 
>

Yeah. We talked about adaptive columnised layout for TW *that fully opens 
the Right* being a great way to loosen up TW to broader metaphors of 
function.

Oh, that was not supposed to happen. In fact, the attached screenshot shows 
> me at my seventh list without breaking the style, as it will infinitely so 
> to the right. Is this a zoom issue? May I know if you are using any custom 
> theme or styling addon for firefox? 
>

I just downloaded your naked TW to check. Same issue. I'm using Firefox ESR 
52.3. I do use the add-on "Classic Theme Restorer" but I don't think it 
should interfere with it.

Best wishes
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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[Riz]

Hi Tony


Looks familiar :)
>

:-D


On your demo I note you can drag a card to a new list until it has at 
> least one card
>


Yes, that, and the fact that you cannot drag a card to the last position of 
a list are my two major remaining headaches. Basically they are one and the 
same problem. The last position obviously needs a different set of 
droppable actions. I am thinking of defining an empty class before footer 
to allow this. So far I haven't had any luck. Will update as soon as I have 
one.  

Unfortunately, I can't create lists or cards on my own TW5 Notes 
> Tiddlywiki and another of my wikis, including one that is close to empty.
>

Are there any more dependencies for the plugin?
>

What can I do to troubleshoot it?
>


Oh, that is unfortunate.
No, the plugin does not have any dependencies. 
If I am to take a very wild guess, you might have tried to create a list  
before create a new board. You said you cannot create lists or cards, you 
did not mention boards. Is it so?
Are you able to create lists or cards in demo?

Okey, let me know at which of the following steps is it not acting as 
expected, okey?

1. Go https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html and as 
usual, drag and drop it to a TW5
2. You will find a new page control button appearing next to "Save Wiki" 
button. Click that and enter Tekan mode
3. From the top bar, click the "+" button and create a new board.
4. On the list area, click on the "Add new list" to create a new list
5. And on the new list, click "add a card" in footer to create a new card. 


sincerely, 
Riz

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Riz

Utterly brilliant! You visioning in terms of a full interface is the "extra 
move" needed IMO. 

In line with that I SUGGEST Liberating The Right so the styling continues 
infinitely. As it is it breaks ...



Best wishes
Josiah


On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:54:40 UTC+2, Riz wrote:
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>
>
> Hi there.
>
> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
> another and here is Tekan. 
>
> Demo and Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
>
> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> live long and prosper,
> Riz 
>
>   
>

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[TonyM]

Riz,

Looks familiar :)

On your demo I note you can drag a card to a new list until it has at least 
one card

Unfortunately, I can't create lists or cards on my own TW5 Notes Tiddlywiki 
and another of my wikis, including one that is close to empty.

Are there any more dependencies for the plugin?

What can I do to troubleshoot it?

Thanks
Tony

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

That's uncanny. Better not let Taco at Trello know.

The list Arranger didn't work for me. Attempting to arrange lists made them 
disappear. Also, dragging notes with list items to the Arranger disappeared 
the note without adding the items anywhere that I could see.

Looks good --

Mark
Firefox 55.0.3 on Win 7

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:54:40 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Hi there.
>
> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
> another and here is Tekan. 
>
> Demo and Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
>
> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> live long and prosper,
> Riz 
>
>   
>

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