[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-04-17 Thread Stephan Hradek
I took a look at it today.
I then experimented a bit with the empty file.
Now I'm eager to learn more and maybe contribute.

But as of yet I don't really know where to start.

For example: Where can I learn more about the TiddlerTemplates mentioned on 
http://five.tiddlywiki.com - WikiText

I would like and try to implement my last bigger TiddlyWiki Project in 
five.

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-04-15 Thread Yakov
Oops, this time I somehow missed subscribing for comments and almost missed 
the response.

вторник, 26 марта 2013 г., 16:39:19 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston 
написал:

 Hi Yakov
  

 nice screencast. I have one question: how the interaction with images is 
 achieved? Are the images stored within TW5 or outside?


 Currently images are stored as base64 tiddlers, and displayed by creating 
 a data URI: representation on the fly.

 What is base64 tiddler?
 

 There will also be support for external images that are accessed via their 
 full HTTP URI in order to reduce the TW5 file size, at the expense of 
 working offline.
  

 Where the drawing over the initial image is stored?


 For editing, the image is displayed in an HTML5 canvas element which the 
 user can draw into. (We could theoretically slot in any of a number of more 
 sophisticated JavaScript canvas editors). At the end of each stroke the 
 canvas is copied into the draft tiddler, and then the draft tiddler is 
 swapped with the real tiddler when one clicks done.
  

 Would it be hard to create a simple sketch-drawing tool in TW2?


 Do you mean TW5? If so, yes, that's the idea: I'd like TW5 to have decent 
 integrated bitmap and SVG sketching and annotation.
  

No, as I understand in TW5 that would be a default instrument, I was asking 
about TW2: is there any limitations to reproduce something similar in 
there? Unfortunately, I can't see many possibilities for me to use TW5 in 
the nearest future, at least until I create a version of 
SharedTiddlersPlugin for TW5 which should take a good amount of time, I 
guess. The reason is I'm continually customizing my wikis and there's a 
bunch of them. Applying the same changes to each is a nightmare, so I 
really need STP + other plugins (which probably won't work with TW5). But 
image editing within TW would be a great feature, especially with 
touchscreens, for sketches etc.
 


 (I have quite similar questions about encryption, but let's start from 
 the drawing tool)


 Thanks for the questions, do keep them coming.

 The questions regarding encryption are much the same:

* how encrypted tiddlers are stored?
* how are they accessed? can only some tiddlers be encrypted while others 
are not?
* it there any issues that would prevent implementing such engine in TW2? I 
tried EncryptedVaultPlugin from [1] but it has problems with non-latin 
letters.. there's also EncryptionCommandsPlugin from [2] which I still 
haven't figured how to use, although reviewing it today made much more 
sense than some months ago. Encryption for TW2 is still an issue for me.

These questions will help understanding TW5 and differences between TW2 and 
TW5, too. Honestly, I can't understand much in the TW5 repository using my 
knowledge about TW2 repository and source files structure, I have to dig, 
guess, explore again to understand it which is a big barrier. Neither I 
have any hints of how much the new js codes are different from the old 
ones. Even tiddler.js [3] is far from what I expected to see (you know, 
methods from [4]..)

Best regards,
Yakov.

[1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
[2] http://martinswiki.com/#EncryptionCommandsPlugin
[3] 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/tiddler.js
[4] https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/blob/master/js/Tiddler.js
 

 Best wishes

 Jeremy
  


 Best regards,
 Yakov.

 суббота, 23 марта 2013 г., 23:17:38 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston 
 написал:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use 
 it: 

 http://vimeo.com/62508140 

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further 
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta. 

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long; 
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be 
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos. 

 Cheers, 

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-04-15 Thread PMario
On Monday, April 15, 2013 4:53:22 PM UTC+2, Yakov wrote:

 The questions regarding encryption are much the same:

Hi Yakov,
This may be of interest: 
http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ 

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-04-15 Thread Yakov
Hi Mario,

yeap, that's an interesting article, but it is mostly irrelevant for my 
goal: I don't want to make a web-app which securely communicates through 
web, but rather an app+doc where doc part is encrypted so that if one 
gets an other's TW he or she wouldn't be able or have big problems with 
reading it. Now sure whether the secure random number generator issue is 
relevant in this aspect.

понедельник, 15 апреля 2013 г., 22:24:44 UTC+4 пользователь PMario написал:

 On Monday, April 15, 2013 4:53:22 PM UTC+2, Yakov wrote:

 The questions regarding encryption are much the same:

 Hi Yakov,
 This may be of interest: 
 http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ 


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-04-05 Thread Mike Simms
I think the screencast is about right in length, it flew by, hard to see 
how you would get through the material in less time.

I think the list of open tiddlers is a huge benefit, looks like it will 
save a lot of scrolling up and down to find a tiddler you know you've 
opened!

You've not gone for WISIWYG editing then?

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-04-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mike


 I think the screencast is about right in length, it flew by, hard to see
 how you would get through the material in less time.


Thanks! I think there's definitely a place for long form screencasts (in
fact, they are easier to produce than shorter ones), and it's encouraging
that people are prepared to sit through them!


 I think the list of open tiddlers is a huge benefit, looks like it will
 save a lot of scrolling up and down to find a tiddler you know you've
 opened!


Thanks, I'm just starting another round of tweaking the sidebar, but will
be retaining that feature.


 You've not gone for WISIWYG editing then?


No, or at least not in the way that I was envisaging when I began work on
TiddlyWiki5. There was a recent discussion thread about it:

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/n7LTYB7toXs/discussion

Best wishes

Jeremy



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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-29 Thread Scott Simmons
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:13:22 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:


 TW is such an amazing and general tool that it is a difficult to see the 
 light right away - so in order to *hook *people I believe it would make 
 sense to *highlight some benefits* with TW already at the start of the 
 clip.


GREAT suggestions — but for precisely that reason (that it's difficult to 
see what TiddlyWiki is and what it can do right away), I believe a slightly 
longer video like Jeremy's is exactly the introduction TW5 needs.  Slicker, 
shorter videos can point to it the download as it gets out of alpha stage, 
but at this point, we're still talking about a piece of software that only 
tinkerers and power users are going to be checking out.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:57:52 AM UTC-4, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Don't know how useful image editing like this really is, but a most simple 
 color palette in edit mode on top of the image would sure be nice.


That was my initial thought, too — but then I considered how handy it would 
be if I had a touchscreen and wanted to quickly mark a chart or circle some 
element on a screenshot.  That could be VERY cool.

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-27 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mat

That's useful feedback, thank you.

* and that the clip is intended as a standalone intro to tw5 from its
 creator (ie. there won't be many more such intros from you)
 ...here's my feedback:


My current thinking is that I will iterate the intro video as much as I
can, and get it down to a slicker 5 minutes. I want to also continue to do
rougher, less polished screencasts from time to time.

Many thanks,

Jeremy

I agree with your own reflections that the clip should be shorter/snappier.
 TW is such an amazing and general tool that it is a difficult to see the
 light right away - so in order to *hook *people I believe it would make
 sense to *highlight some benefits* with TW already at the start of the
 clip. I would suggest you insert a screen with a bullet list of concrete
 examples and benefits for the above stated target group. Perhaps some of
 the application examples listed on tw.com? A glance at what, say,
 Evernote, Basecamp and other services mention as their benefits could
 perhaps give a sense of what people need/appreciate.

 Second, the clip, nice and friendly as it is, is of course also very
 amateurish and it does not reflect how mature or sophisticated TW is.
 Someone new could mistake it for merely a (very) neat hack. Now, we know
 they're totally wrong... but they don't. I believe an introductory clip for
 something like this must convey *credibility.* How would they otherwise
 know how great it is? Maybe you can mention that we're X thousand members
 in the tw group. TW has been developed for Y years. Z thousand copies of
 the earlier versions of TW have been downloaded. They must know they will
 not waste their time with something that is abandoned in 6 months. Chest
 beating is not only deserved but also *necessary *to convince many
 (most?) people.

 Also, if it is possible to use on tablets and/or smartphones, then please
 show this in the clip. A quick flash of a tablet in the first one or two
 minutes.

 I notice the link below the clip (good!) but I suggest a* call for action
 *at the end of the video too, ie. to go to the website and download it.
 Maybe it's possible, like on youtube, to put a physical url on the clip for
 clicking.

 Ok, hope this is of use to make people try TW5.

 :-)




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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-26 Thread Yakov
Hi Jeremy,

nice screencast. I have one question: how the interaction with images is 
achieved? Are the images stored within TW5 or outside? Where the drawing 
over the initial image is stored? Would it be hard to create a simple 
sketch-drawing tool in TW2?

(I have quite similar questions about encryption, but let's start from the 
drawing tool)

Best regards,
Yakov.

суббота, 23 марта 2013 г., 23:17:38 UTC+4 пользователь Jeremy Ruston 
написал:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use it: 

 http://vimeo.com/62508140 

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further 
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta. 

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long; 
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be 
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos. 

 Cheers, 

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-26 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Yakov


 nice screencast. I have one question: how the interaction with images is
 achieved? Are the images stored within TW5 or outside?


Currently images are stored as base64 tiddlers, and displayed by creating a
data URI: representation on the fly.

There will also be support for external images that are accessed via their
full HTTP URI in order to reduce the TW5 file size, at the expense of
working offline.


 Where the drawing over the initial image is stored?


For editing, the image is displayed in an HTML5 canvas element which the
user can draw into. (We could theoretically slot in any of a number of more
sophisticated JavaScript canvas editors). At the end of each stroke the
canvas is copied into the draft tiddler, and then the draft tiddler is
swapped with the real tiddler when one clicks done.


 Would it be hard to create a simple sketch-drawing tool in TW2?


Do you mean TW5? If so, yes, that's the idea: I'd like TW5 to have decent
integrated bitmap and SVG sketching and annotation.



 (I have quite similar questions about encryption, but let's start from the
 drawing tool)


Thanks for the questions, do keep them coming.

Best wishes

Jeremy



 Best regards,
 Yakov.

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 написал:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use it:

 http://vimeo.com/62508140

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta.

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long;
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos.

 Cheers,

 Jeremy


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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-26 Thread Eric Weir
On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm working with the author of TWEdit/TWMobile to create a similar wrapper 
 application that allows TiddlyWiki documents to be stored offline and synced 
 to and from external services.

Thanks, Jeremy. My classic TWs run without modification in TWEdit. I need to 
enlarge the font to use them effectively on the iPad, but that is all.

Regards,

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-26 Thread Mat
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:43:46 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 My intention was to target ordinary web users who may be interested in 
 exploring TiddlyWiki, and the purpose is to encourage them to try it out.


Yup, agree with the compliments here; nice clip and TW5 looks beautiful!

Given that ...
* you ask for feedback on the clip 
* your stated target group is web users who are not familiar with TW and 
that the purpose is to encourage them to try it out
* and that the clip is intended as a standalone intro to tw5 from its 
creator (ie. there won't be many more such intros from you)
...here's my feedback:

I agree with your own reflections that the clip should be shorter/snappier. 
TW is such an amazing and general tool that it is a difficult to see the 
light right away - so in order to *hook *people I believe it would make 
sense to *highlight some benefits* with TW already at the start of the 
clip. I would suggest you insert a screen with a bullet list of concrete 
examples and benefits for the above stated target group. Perhaps some of 
the application examples listed on tw.com? A glance at what, say, Evernote, 
Basecamp and other services mention as their benefits could perhaps give a 
sense of what people need/appreciate.

Second, the clip, nice and friendly as it is, is of course also very 
amateurish and it does not reflect how mature or sophisticated TW is. 
Someone new could mistake it for merely a (very) neat hack. Now, we know 
they're totally wrong... but they don't. I believe an introductory clip for 
something like this must convey *credibility.* How would they otherwise 
know how great it is? Maybe you can mention that we're X thousand members 
in the tw group. TW has been developed for Y years. Z thousand copies of 
the earlier versions of TW have been downloaded. They must know they will 
not waste their time with something that is abandoned in 6 months. Chest 
beating is not only deserved but also *necessary *to convince many (most?) 
people.

Also, if it is possible to use on tablets and/or smartphones, then please 
show this in the clip. A quick flash of a tablet in the first one or two 
minutes.

I notice the link below the clip (good!) but I suggest a* call for action *at 
the end of the video too, ie. to go to the website and download it. Maybe 
it's possible, like on youtube, to put a physical url on the clip for 
clicking.

Ok, hope this is of use to make people try TW5.

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-25 Thread Eric Weir

On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Mark Krieg wrote:

 I think that you've done an outstanding job on this video! You systematically 
 step the user through the features and functions of TW5. Highlighting the 
 save function in different browsers was brilliant!

Agreed. 

While I'm at it, can I run TiddlyWiki5 on an iPad?

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-24 Thread Mat
Could you elaborate a bit more on the target audience and the purpose for 
the video?
Thanks
:-)


On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:17:38 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use it: 

 http://vimeo.com/62508140 

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further 
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta. 

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long; 
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be 
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos. 

 Cheers, 

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mat

My intention was to target ordinary web users who may be interested in
exploring TiddlyWiki, and the purpose is to encourage them to try it out.

Cheers

Jeremy


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Mat matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could you elaborate a bit more on the target audience and the purpose for
 the video?
 Thanks
 :-)



 On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:17:38 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use it:

 http://vimeo.com/62508140

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta.

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long;
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos.

 Cheers,

 Jeremy


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-24 Thread HansWobbe
Nicely done!

I'm looking forward to talking about as planned in the coming week.

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:17:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use it: 

 http://vimeo.com/62508140 

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further 
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta. 

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long; 
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be 
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos. 

 Cheers, 

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-24 Thread passingby
Hello Jeremy,

I like the TW5 and your screencast very much. Especially the fact that its 
interface and colour scheme is minimalistic. For so many years I could not 
come up with a satisfactory personal color scheme and layout for my TWs. I 
have for so many years looked at other TWs and always wished to hack out 
something great for my own personal TWs. But it always ended up in 
frustration. I realised that instead of focussing on content I was 
distracted with tweaking interface and colours. 

TW5 solves this very well. It presents itself as a Notebook instead of a 
Webpage. It does not have Title, Subtitle, Main Menu. These three things in 
itself were quite a turn offs for a new project for me. I had to think up 
of these things before I could get ahead with producing and saving content. 
In my view these were detrimental to the creative and spontaneous flow of 
thoughts. TW5 chucks out these distractions. For this I love it. Its an 
invitation to start writing content and saving it right away.



On Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:17:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 I've made a screencast introducing TiddlyWiki5 and showing how to use it: 

 http://vimeo.com/62508140 

 I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly as I intend to make further 
 screencasts as TW5 nears beta. 

 My feedback from making it is that 13 minutes might be too long; 
 cleaning up and editing took a long time, and I suspect that I'd be 
 more productive trying to do more frequent shorter videos. 

 Cheers, 

 Jeremy 


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 introductory screencast

2013-03-23 Thread Mark Krieg
I think that you've done an outstanding job on this video! You 
systematically step the user through the features and functions of TW5. 
Highlighting the save function in different browsers was brilliant!

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