[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread Atronoush
Rika, Many thanks for your post and sharing your valuable experiences with TW and RR. On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 3:40:59 AM UTC+4:30 rika.s...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi all. > If I may, I'd like to chime in. I'm a new Tiddlywiki user and I've also > been a Roam user for several months.

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread Charlie Veniot
G'day, We could say that every single TiddlyWiki instance out there is an Edition of TiddlyWiki. I think a directory of editions would be cool, but even better (to me): a directory of TiddlyWiki instances/examples/purposes out there in the wild (available for all to study/copy.) That would

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Ed HA! Most interesting! I followed that through to this: https://first1000.substack.com/p/roam-research It is revealing on the HOW of attention to Roam, but also, implicitly, the motivation to wrest some "control" by it for it. Many thanks TT On Friday, 18 September 2020 14:40:36

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread Ed Heil
I ran across a thread on Twitter a little while back which pointed out that Roam's popularity first exploded among the so-called "Rationalist" community on the internet (associated with the websites LessWrong and SlateStarCodex). https://twitter.com/melissamcewen/status/1277465062010163200 On

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread TiddlyTweeter
David Gifford wrote: > > I guess you will all need to blame me. > Nah. It was good & opened a lot of useful directions for TW. Power to your elbow & its active greasing. MY point in the OP is that (a) the concepts Roam advances are NOT new; (b) that its approach plays on concepts of linkage

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Birthe C wrote: > > > I think people have difficulty envisioning, what Tiddlywiki can be used > for. Editions might be some of the answer, but not only. To me it seems > that everyone might like one edition, if only it was special tailored for > that one person. > Interesting post. One that

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-18 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Rika Very good, full, detailed response that illustrates the issues well. Such detail is good. A *chain of influence* you lay out very well (Anne-Laure :: Roam, for example). This is a great illustration of how users read & respond to *encountered information*. My point, in the OP, was

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread TW Tones
Rika Thanks for sharing your view here. I think you touch on something Important, the revolution who's time has come, is the democratisation of Information Technology. Giving the users the ability to craft their own environment at a minimum to store and retrieve there own content, for

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread Rika Sukenik
Hi all. If I may, I'd like to chime in. I'm a new Tiddlywiki user and I've also been a Roam user for several months. Both are wonderful products. I think - at least for right now - there is space for both tools in the knowledge management ecosystem. I think it would be helpful if I provide my

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread David Gifford
Thanks strikke, my comment about blaming me for the recent emphasis on Roam in the TiddlyWiki community was tongue in cheek, since TiddlyTweeter's post title was that Roam is a negative influence - NOT a model, overrated, and just out for the money. On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 10:44:38

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread Birthe C
David, LOL, blame you, why? Stroll is great and a lot of new users learned about the existence of Tiddlywiki. Some got inspired and created variants and I would not be surprised if a lot of us are using some of your goodies too in other wikis. (I know I am). You have had lots of work

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread David Gifford
I guess you will all need to blame me. I was the one who used Roam as a model first, and got this ball rolling. TiddlyBlink/Stroll was just an experiment to see how much of Roam I could replicate in TW. Saq was a big help there. When I saw it worked pretty good I promoted it on Twitter by

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread Birthe C
TT, Well, It was rather difficult not to hear or read about RoamResearch everywhere, that is also the case now, just not as positive, many finding alternatives. That might have to do with pricing but not only. https://yetidistro.com/roam/ I know that is rather old now, but still somebody

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Birthe Right. Roam got us users. So thanks. Though slightly qualified. More interesting, I think, is the issue of *HOW Roam got known?* Was that marketing? Or serendipity? Dimmi (tell me). We COULD promote TW more I think. We don't do much. A brilliant system for insiders is never knowable

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Tones Philosophy is very good in this situation. LINKAGE & TAGGING on the net generally is (1) seriously under-conceived; and (2) badly explained (because the language we are using LACKS needed differentiations). Philosophy (the art of deriving new working concepts) helps. TT On Wednesday,

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-15 Thread TW Tones
TT, I love that A Girl Called "Cat" @BeaBonobo ยท 6h @RoamResearch way OVERRATED. The concepts it advances are NOT new. It is basically leveraging a loss of memory for

[tw5] Re: Roam Research is NOT a model. It's a money machine.

2020-09-15 Thread Birthe C
TT, That might be, but RoamResearch has send a lot of new users to tiddlywiki. We have often discussed how to get new users, we should be thankful for that good effect. You have been so quiet lately, that I was starting to worry. Birthe -- You received this message because you are