Re: [tw5] Re: edit-text-operation for Linkmanager in a Storyeditor

2018-11-07 Thread Jan 

Hi Tony,
this seems to be a very smart solution.
I have to wait for the weekend to check out..

Thanks a lot Jan

Am 07.11.2018 um 01:57 schrieb TonyM:

Post Script

To stop duplicate tiddlers in the first place, if the wikis that users 
were adding to had a new Edit Button, that only showed when it was a 
tiddler for which they were the creator that may help. Then refuse to 
import any tiddler that will overwrite and existing one (using the 
bundler plugin), tell the users you will not accept edits to existing 
tiddlers.


Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:39:02 AM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:

Jan,

I have worked on the principals behind doing this, as a result of
discussions arising from the New Comments plugin in 5.1.18 and my
desire to publish noteself Wikis online from which people can
export and send any tiddlers they modify or create for subsequent
inclusion in another Wiki.

A Quick work around, is to install Marios bundle
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel

that has a setting to allow you to stop overwrites during import.

Personally I think the best approach is to build an new import
feature. The $:/import tiddler is created from
$:/core/ui/ImportListing Each time an import takes place.

I have added a list to add additional columns to the import table

|
<$list filter="[tag[$:/tags/importcolumn]]"
variable=import-column-tiddler> <$transclude
tiddler=<> field="text"/> 
|

This is not at all complete, but I would like to add the ability to add a 
prefix during import.

I would suggest in your case the tiddlers are prefixed something like 
$:/importfrom/modifier/"original tiddler name"

Then it would be a simple matter of adding to the view template, the 
ability to list below any given tiddler, a list of tiddlers who's suffix is the 
same as the current tiddler name

eg; "original tiddler name" From there you can decide how you will treat 
each one.

Of course we could make this even more sophisticated to facilitate your 
needs, ie accepting collaborative input, but I believe this lies with the 
import facility.

I hope to add a feature to the import, not to import tiddlers that have a wiki-owner 
field set to the current wiki, to stop over-writing the tiddlers "source of 
truth".

Regards

Tony



On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:24:19 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote:

Hi Tony
the problem I want to solve by creating tiddlernames including
the modifier is that this would prevent overwriting tiddlers.
When my students write stories there is a strong probability
that some have a tiddlers with matching names [[In the
morning]] or [[later]]
Importing both would ruin one of the stories.

Yours Jan


Am 06.11.2018 um 22:51 schrieb TonyM:

Jan,

If the $:/status/UserName is set, it will populate hidden
fields in each tiddler called creator and/or modifier see
https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields


  * You could then use normal filter operators to select the
different users tiddlers via these fields
  * You could set these field manually in
tiddlers <$edit-text tiddler=tiddlername
field="modifier"/> (From another tiddler - not the
current) or by other using a template.

With the above information, I wonder if your question is
still relevant?

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:37:23 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote:

|Dear Writers

Is there something like
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
$param="write-selection-to"||title/>

I want to use Tiddlywiki to write nonlinear stories with a group of 
students. To import and mix stories it is necessary to add the usernames to the 
Tiddlers created.
This is why I would like to automatically set a Link of this 
structure [[selection{{$:/status/UserName}}/selection]]


I tried this...but it always has a delay of one click...

|  
\define Userlink()

[[{{$:/Temp/newlink}}|{{$:/status/UserName}}/{{$:/Temp/newlink}}]]
\end

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="excise"
title="$:/Temp/newlink"
type="link"
/>
<$wikify name="Newlink" text=<>>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" $param="replace-selection"  
text=<> />


Is there a solution for this Problem?

Greetings Jan

|

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Re: [tw5] Re: edit-text-operation for Linkmanager in a Storyeditor

2018-11-06 Thread TonyM 
Post Script

To stop duplicate tiddlers in the first place, if the wikis that users were 
adding to had a new Edit Button, that only showed when it was a tiddler for 
which they were the creator that may help. Then refuse to import any 
tiddler that will overwrite and existing one (using the bundler plugin), 
tell the users you will not accept edits to existing tiddlers.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:39:02 AM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Jan,
>
> I have worked on the principals behind doing this, as a result of 
> discussions arising from the New Comments plugin in 5.1.18 and my desire to 
> publish noteself Wikis online from which people can export and send any 
> tiddlers they modify or create for subsequent inclusion in another Wiki.
>
> A Quick work around, is to install Marios bundle 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel that 
> has a setting to allow you to stop overwrites during import.
>
> Personally I think the best approach is to build an new import feature. 
> The $:/import tiddler is created from $:/core/ui/ImportListing Each time 
> an import takes place. 
>
> I have added a list to add additional columns to the import table
>
> <$list filter="[tag[$:/tags/importcolumn]]" variable=import-column-tiddler> 
>  <$transclude tiddler=<> field="text"/>  
> 
>
> This is not at all complete, but I would like to add the ability to add a 
> prefix during import.
>
>
> I would suggest in your case the tiddlers are prefixed something like 
> $:/importfrom/modifier/"original tiddler name"
>
>
> Then it would be a simple matter of adding to the view template, the ability 
> to list below any given tiddler, a list of tiddlers who's suffix is the same 
> as the current tiddler name 
>
> eg; "original tiddler name" From there you can decide how you will treat each 
> one.
>
>
> Of course we could make this even more sophisticated to facilitate your 
> needs, ie accepting collaborative input, but I believe this lies with the 
> import facility.
>
>
> I hope to add a feature to the import, not to import tiddlers that have a 
> wiki-owner field set to the current wiki, to stop over-writing the tiddlers 
> "source of truth".
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tony 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:24:19 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony
>> the problem I want to solve by creating tiddlernames including the 
>> modifier is that this would prevent overwriting tiddlers.
>> When my students write stories there is a strong probability that some 
>> have a tiddlers with matching names [[In the morning]] or [[later]]
>> Importing both would ruin one of the stories.
>>
>> Yours Jan
>>
>>
>> Am 06.11.2018 um 22:51 schrieb TonyM:
>>
>> Jan, 
>>
>> If the $:/status/UserName is set, it will populate hidden fields in each 
>> tiddler called creator and/or modifier see 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields
>>
>>
>>- You could then use normal filter operators to select the different 
>>users tiddlers via these fields
>>- You could set these field manually in tiddlers <$edit-text 
>>tiddler=tiddlername field="modifier"/> (From another tiddler - not the 
>>current) or by other using a template. 
>>
>> With the above information, I wonder if your question is still relevant?
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:37:23 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote: 
>>>
>>> Dear Writers
>>>
>>> Is there something like
>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
>>> $param="write-selection-to" title/>
>>>
>>> I want to use Tiddlywiki to write nonlinear stories with a group of 
>>> students. To import and mix stories it is necessary to add the usernames to 
>>> the Tiddlers created.
>>> This is why I would like to automatically set a Link of this structure 
>>> [[selection|{{$:/status/UserName}}/selection]]
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried this...but it always has a delay of one click...
>>>  
>>> \define Userlink() 
>>> [[{{$:/Temp/newlink}}|{{$:/status/UserName}}/{{$:/Temp/newlink}}]]
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$action-sendmessage
>>> $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>>> $param="excise"
>>> title="$:/Temp/newlink"
>>> type="link"
>>> />
>>> <$wikify name="Newlink" text=<>>
>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
>>> $param="replace-selection"  text=<> />
>>> 
>>>
>>> Is there a solution for this Problem?
>>>
>>> Greetings Jan
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: edit-text-operation for Linkmanager in a Storyeditor

2018-11-06 Thread TonyM 
Jan,

I have worked on the principals behind doing this, as a result of 
discussions arising from the New Comments plugin in 5.1.18 and my desire to 
publish noteself Wikis online from which people can export and send any 
tiddlers they modify or create for subsequent inclusion in another Wiki.

A Quick work around, is to install Marios 
bundle https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel 
that has a setting to allow you to stop overwrites during import.

Personally I think the best approach is to build an new import feature. The 
$:/import tiddler is created from $:/core/ui/ImportListing Each time an 
import takes place. 

I have added a list to add additional columns to the import table

<$list filter="[tag[$:/tags/importcolumn]]" variable=import-column-tiddler> 
 <$transclude tiddler=<> field="text"/>  


This is not at all complete, but I would like to add the ability to add a 
prefix during import.


I would suggest in your case the tiddlers are prefixed something like 
$:/importfrom/modifier/"original tiddler name"


Then it would be a simple matter of adding to the view template, the ability to 
list below any given tiddler, a list of tiddlers who's suffix is the same as 
the current tiddler name 

eg; "original tiddler name" From there you can decide how you will treat each 
one.


Of course we could make this even more sophisticated to facilitate your needs, 
ie accepting collaborative input, but I believe this lies with the import 
facility.


I hope to add a feature to the import, not to import tiddlers that have a 
wiki-owner field set to the current wiki, to stop over-writing the tiddlers 
"source of truth".


Regards

Tony 




On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:24:19 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
> the problem I want to solve by creating tiddlernames including the 
> modifier is that this would prevent overwriting tiddlers.
> When my students write stories there is a strong probability that some 
> have a tiddlers with matching names [[In the morning]] or [[later]]
> Importing both would ruin one of the stories.
>
> Yours Jan
>
>
> Am 06.11.2018 um 22:51 schrieb TonyM:
>
> Jan, 
>
> If the $:/status/UserName is set, it will populate hidden fields in each 
> tiddler called creator and/or modifier see 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields
>
>
>- You could then use normal filter operators to select the different 
>users tiddlers via these fields
>- You could set these field manually in tiddlers <$edit-text 
>tiddler=tiddlername field="modifier"/> (From another tiddler - not the 
>current) or by other using a template. 
>
> With the above information, I wonder if your question is still relevant?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:37:23 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote: 
>>
>> Dear Writers
>>
>> Is there something like
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
>> $param="write-selection-to" title/>
>>
>> I want to use Tiddlywiki to write nonlinear stories with a group of 
>> students. To import and mix stories it is necessary to add the usernames to 
>> the Tiddlers created.
>> This is why I would like to automatically set a Link of this structure 
>> [[selection|{{$:/status/UserName}}/selection]]
>>
>>
>> I tried this...but it always has a delay of one click...
>>  
>> \define Userlink() 
>> [[{{$:/Temp/newlink}}|{{$:/status/UserName}}/{{$:/Temp/newlink}}]]
>> \end
>>
>> <$action-sendmessage
>>  $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>>  $param="excise"
>>  title="$:/Temp/newlink"
>>  type="link"
>> />
>> <$wikify name="Newlink" text=<>>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
>> $param="replace-selection"  text=<> />
>> 
>>
>> Is there a solution for this Problem?
>>
>> Greetings Jan
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: edit-text-operation for Linkmanager in a Storyeditor

2018-11-06 Thread Jan 

Hi Tony
the problem I want to solve by creating tiddlernames including the 
modifier is that this would prevent overwriting tiddlers.
When my students write stories there is a strong probability that some 
have a tiddlers with matching names [[In the morning]] or [[later]]

Importing both would ruin one of the stories.

Yours Jan


Am 06.11.2018 um 22:51 schrieb TonyM:

Jan,

If the $:/status/UserName is set, it will populate hidden fields in 
each tiddler called creator and/or modifier 
see https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields


  * You could then use normal filter operators to select the different
users tiddlers via these fields
  * You could set these field manually in tiddlers <$edit-text
tiddler=tiddlername field="modifier"/> (From another tiddler - not
the current) or by other using a template.

With the above information, I wonder if your question is still relevant?

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:37:23 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote:

|Dear Writers

Is there something like
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
$param="write-selection-to"||title/>

I want to use Tiddlywiki to write nonlinear stories with a group of 
students. To import and mix stories it is necessary to add the usernames to the 
Tiddlers created.
This is why I would like to automatically set a Link of this structure 
[[selection{{$:/status/UserName}}/selection]]


I tried this...but it always has a delay of one click...

|  
\define Userlink()

[[{{$:/Temp/newlink}}|{{$:/status/UserName}}/{{$:/Temp/newlink}}]]
\end

<$action-sendmessage
$message="tm-edit-text-operation"
$param="excise"
title="$:/Temp/newlink"
type="link"
/>
<$wikify name="Newlink" text=<>>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" $param="replace-selection"  
text=<> />


Is there a solution for this Problem?

Greetings Jan

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[tw5] Re: edit-text-operation for Linkmanager in a Storyeditor

2018-11-06 Thread TonyM 
Jan,

If the $:/status/UserName is set, it will populate hidden fields in each 
tiddler called creator and/or modifier 
see https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields


   - You could then use normal filter operators to select the different 
   users tiddlers via these fields
   - You could set these field manually in tiddlers <$edit-text 
   tiddler=tiddlername field="modifier"/> (From another tiddler - not the 
   current) or by other using a template.

With the above information, I wonder if your question is still relevant?

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:37:23 AM UTC+11, Jan wrote:
>
> Dear Writers
>
> Is there something like
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
> $param="write-selection-to" title/>
>
> I want to use Tiddlywiki to write nonlinear stories with a group of students. 
> To import and mix stories it is necessary to add the usernames to the 
> Tiddlers created.
> This is why I would like to automatically set a Link of this structure 
> [[selection|{{$:/status/UserName}}/selection]]
>
>
> I tried this...but it always has a delay of one click...
>  
> \define Userlink() 
> [[{{$:/Temp/newlink}}|{{$:/status/UserName}}/{{$:/Temp/newlink}}]]
> \end
>
> <$action-sendmessage
>   $message="tm-edit-text-operation"
>   $param="excise"
>   title="$:/Temp/newlink"
>   type="link"
> />
> <$wikify name="Newlink" text=<>>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
> $param="replace-selection"  text=<> />
> 
>
> Is there a solution for this Problem?
>
> Greetings Jan
>
>
>

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