Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-05 Thread Riz 


On Wednesday, 5 October 2016 12:54:38 UTC+5:30, magev958 wrote:
>
> If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
>> fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
>> *. *Pick a chapter, then an author, 
>> under the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the 
>> user to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the 
>> chapter from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 
>>
>
> That was a beautiful example of what can be done with TW5
>


Thank you!! 

@JN

it provides access to the "backend" 

Yeah, I left it out intentionally so as to let new people take away if they 
feel there is anything worth it.  

can this be done?

I do not see why not. 


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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-05 Thread John Newell 
Hi Riz-

All are valued comments.
And you are right - the basics are achieved in what I have mapped out - and 
you have addressed.

Tags ARE used in a few ways - check out the Spiritual Quest ebook which 
provides an insight into much of what will be used elsewhere -
ReadOnly, different use of tags, navigation ( upgrading to the use of 
FontAwesome, embedded fonts, audio, video, padlet etc)

No, there is no need for "ebook" tags - examples of tags *that work the 
same as categories and tags within wordpress* : ( for the Directory site(s) 
:

   - LOCATIONS : Suburb / township / postcodes
   - PRODUCTS / SERVICES :  Food Service and supply, Accommodation, 
   Entertainment, Sports, Retail, Relaxation, Trades etc
   - ALSO tagged " Eat | Drink | Stay | Play | Buy | Enjoy | Repair | etc
   - PREMISES : Winery, Brewery, Retailer, Hotel, Nightclub, Cafe, Spa, 
   Sports Club, Social Club, NFP etc
   



On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 4:44:31 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Hmmm, there were no direct questions in that comment. So I will try and 
> reply to my own assumptions on reading your last comment. 
>
> Sidebar Contents / Options are NOT used in any of my projects
>>
>
> I remember your last Ebook project had Sidebar hidden. Well, since you 
> already achieved that , I assume you do not need my inputs on how to hide 
> sidebar permanently for such a project.
>
> Still for the sake of any noobs after me, here are two different ways this 
> can be achieved.
>
> 1) *Create a new stylesheet tiddler with the following CSS code*
> .tc-sidebar-scrollable {display:none}
>
> 2) *Hide the Sidebar as you would do normally. Then via advanced search, 
> find the tiddler "$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu" and remove the tag 
> "$:/tags/TopRightBar" from it.*
> This will basically hide access to button that will reveal/hide Sidebar.
>
> Note: Second method is more flexible. If you are using that, you can have 
> secret buttons somewhere user cannot access which will reveal the Sidebar.
>
>
>
>
> NoTimeStamp will usually be deployed - ie no date seen 
>>
>
> Where? The timestamps in the subtitles can easily be hidden. As for the 
> title of New Journal appearing with Timestamp by default, you can change 
> that. In the test wiki I sent you, find the tiddler named NewJournal - 
> which is a minimal clone of the default New Journal button - and within it 
> change the title=<> value to anything you please to have a placeholder 
> text, say title="Enter your title here"
>
>
> Tags ARE visible in other chapters & understood for their use ( see SQuest 
>> ebook as example )
>>
>
> So I guess you do not want your chapters to have a tag called "EBook"? 
>
> Ok, so this is an issue. In a scenario like this, where tags are part of 
> interface, we cannot have a common tag based on which we can hide the 
> controls. A manual solution to this - ughh- is to specify each Chapter tag 
> specifically in stylesheet and hide the controls. But that is not at all a 
> solution.
>
> There is a theoretical solution to this, which is to apply styles based on 
> fields. If I understand it correctly, tags appear as class and fields 
> appear as attributes of the  element in the TW html file. Based on 
> this, I tried the attribute selector function. Let us say, tiddler named 
> "Chapter 1" has a field called "fruit" with value "mango". 
> So If I use the syntax on the attribute selector 
>
> [fruit="mango"] { 
> font-size:3em; 
> }
> or 
>
> div[fruit="mango"] { 
> font-size:3em; 
> }
>
>
>
> It ought to work. It doesn't. I hope someone with a clearer understanding 
> of CSS or TW5 will come around and enlighten. 
>
>
> If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
> fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
> *. *Pick a chapter, then an author, 
> under the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the 
> user to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the 
> chapter from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-05 Thread John Newell 
Hi "magev958"  - I have seen that amazing reformat of TW. It has provided 
me inspiration. Thanks. It doesn't suit my current formats as it provides 
access to the "backend" which I do NOT want - as the integrity of the app / 
ebook  / site that it presents to users needs to have interaction but not 
reformatting . would like to keep lines of communications open with you 
as there ARE many elements I would like to ask you about. You and almost 
everyone in this forum has far greater skills than I possess. I just have a 
market and ideas that fufill their needs and TW can do so much..


On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 6:24:38 PM UTC+11, magev958 wrote:
>
> If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
>> fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
>> *. *Pick a chapter, then an author, 
>> under the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the 
>> user to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the 
>> chapter from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 
>>
>
> That was a beautiful example of what can be done with TW5
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-05 Thread magillamax 

On 10/5/2016 4:44:36 PM, Riz  wrote:

John,

Hmmm, there were no direct questions in that comment. So I will try and reply 
to my own assumptions on reading your last comment.
magillamax: 

The Sidebar comment was just that - an observation that the finalised 
tiddlywikis will all be without the sidebar. That is simply achieved within the 
ReadOnly transference. 

I can provide you my guides on how I achieve all elements within the ebooks I 
am creating - as stated - better to have your direct email for that when that 
time comes   ;-)




Sidebar Contents / Options are NOT used in any of my projects


I remember your last Ebook project had Sidebar hidden. Well, since you already 
achieved that , I assume you do not need my inputs on how to hide sidebar 
permanently for such a project.

Still for the sake of any noobs after me, here are two different ways this can 
be achieved.


1) Create a new stylesheet tiddler with the following CSS code
.tc-sidebar-scrollable {display:none}

2) Hide the Sidebar as you would do normally. Then via advanced search, find 
the tiddler "$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu" and remove the tag "$:/tags/TopRightBar" 
from it.
This will basically hide access to button that will reveal/hide Sidebar.


Note: Second method is more flexible. If you are using that, you can have 
secret buttons somewhere user cannot access which will reveal the Sidebar.





NoTimeStamp will usually be deployed - ie no date seen


Where? The timestamps in the subtitles can easily be hidden. As for the title 
of New Journal appearing with Timestamp by default, you can change that. In the 
test wiki I sent you, find the tiddler named NewJournal - which is a minimal 
clone of the default New Journal button - and within it change the 
title=<> value to anything you please to have a placeholder text, say 
title="Enter your title here"



Tags ARE visible in other chapters & understood for their use ( see SQuest 
ebook as example )


So I guess you do not want your chapters to have a tag called "EBook"?

Ok, so this is an issue. In a scenario like this, where tags are part of 
interface, we cannot have a common tag based on which we can hide the controls. 
A manual solution to this - ughh- is to specify each Chapter tag specifically 
in stylesheet and hide the controls. But that is not at all a solution.

There is a theoretical solution to this, which is to apply styles based on 
fields. If I understand it correctly, tags appear as class and fields appear as 
attributes of the  element in the TW html file. Based on this, I tried the 
attribute selector function. Let us say, tiddler named "Chapter 1" has a field 
called "fruit" with value "mango".
So If I use the syntax on the attribute selector


[fruit="mango"] {
font-size:3em;
}

or


div[fruit="mango"] {
font-size:3em;
}




It ought to work. It doesn't. I hope someone with a clearer understanding of 
CSS or TW5 will come around and enlighten.


If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
fancier environment, try https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ 
[https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/]. Pick a chapter, then an author, under the 
translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the user to add 
notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the chapter from there 
and see the notes added regarding that specific part.




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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-05 Thread magev958 

>
> If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
> fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
> *. *Pick a chapter, then an author, 
> under the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the 
> user to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the 
> chapter from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 
>

That was a beautiful example of what can be done with TW5

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread Riz 

John,

Hmmm, there were no direct questions in that comment. So I will try and 
reply to my own assumptions on reading your last comment. 

Sidebar Contents / Options are NOT used in any of my projects
>

I remember your last Ebook project had Sidebar hidden. Well, since you 
already achieved that , I assume you do not need my inputs on how to hide 
sidebar permanently for such a project.

Still for the sake of any noobs after me, here are two different ways this 
can be achieved.

1) *Create a new stylesheet tiddler with the following CSS code*
.tc-sidebar-scrollable {display:none}

2) *Hide the Sidebar as you would do normally. Then via advanced search, 
find the tiddler "$:/core/ui/TopBar/menu" and remove the tag 
"$:/tags/TopRightBar" from it.*
This will basically hide access to button that will reveal/hide Sidebar.

Note: Second method is more flexible. If you are using that, you can have 
secret buttons somewhere user cannot access which will reveal the Sidebar.




NoTimeStamp will usually be deployed - ie no date seen 
>

Where? The timestamps in the subtitles can easily be hidden. As for the 
title of New Journal appearing with Timestamp by default, you can change 
that. In the test wiki I sent you, find the tiddler named NewJournal - 
which is a minimal clone of the default New Journal button - and within it 
change the title=<> value to anything you please to have a placeholder 
text, say title="Enter your title here"


Tags ARE visible in other chapters & understood for their use ( see SQuest 
> ebook as example )
>

So I guess you do not want your chapters to have a tag called "EBook"? 

Ok, so this is an issue. In a scenario like this, where tags are part of 
interface, we cannot have a common tag based on which we can hide the 
controls. A manual solution to this - ughh- is to specify each Chapter tag 
specifically in stylesheet and hide the controls. But that is not at all a 
solution.

There is a theoretical solution to this, which is to apply styles based on 
fields. If I understand it correctly, tags appear as class and fields 
appear as attributes of the  element in the TW html file. Based on 
this, I tried the attribute selector function. Let us say, tiddler named 
"Chapter 1" has a field called "fruit" with value "mango". 
So If I use the syntax on the attribute selector 

[fruit="mango"] { 
font-size:3em; 
}
or 

div[fruit="mango"] { 
font-size:3em; 
}



It ought to work. It doesn't. I hope someone with a clearer understanding 
of CSS or TW5 will come around and enlighten. 


If you want to see Adding notes and bookmarking function in a little more 
fancier environment, try *https://ibnishak.github.io/hQp/ * 
*. *Pick a chapter, then an author, under 
the translation, there will be a hamburger menu which will enable the user 
to add notes, bookmark that part, jump to the other parts of the chapter 
from there and see the notes added regarding that specific part. 



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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread John Newell 
Hey Riz

got it 
thanks
that works - though there are some bits that would need attention:

BELOW I've copied from the notes I made ON that tiddler/ journal entry - 
done live in the tiddler.

I hope the HTML file comes thru - 

here's the notes :

*JN NOTES *



*Sidebar Contents / Options are NOT used in any of my projects - so 
disregard it's visibility or access for users/readers - alternative methods 
are used ...*
*Tags ARE visible in other chapters & understood for their use ( see SQuest 
ebook as example )*

*NoTimeStamp will usually be deployed - ie no date seen *



*User CAN suitably name (title) + save their journal / notes tiddlerEntry 
of their notes should be intuitive and not need guidance.( though a tiddler 
could provided *

*"advanced" guidance for optimising eg - links etc - internal and external* 
*User 
SHOULD tag their tiddler for later search as that is the only way in which 
they can find what they've written - - unless a pre-created linked tiddler 
lists tags for "Notes" "Journal" and "Comments" *

*THAT WOULD NEED EXPLANATION in creating and searching tags *

*It would be preferable to NOT display FIELD boxes of Type, Name and Value* 


again thanks Riz
we should talk soon, !


On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 2:03:20 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Try this link
> http://testwikitech.tiddlyspot.com/
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread Riz 
Try this link
http://testwikitech.tiddlyspot.com/

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread John Newell 
Hi Riz - sorry - up in the State Forests and internet is VERY hard to 
get.. I did try to open but can only see in html text
No rendering - perhaps it's not supposed to be a complete TW self-contained 
file - looks like its only 400KB or do. That'd only be a page.
Can we connect by email? j...@social.as  cheers and thanks for your 
help / patience ...


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>
> Did you check the TW I posted here 
> ? 
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread Riz 
Did you check the TW I posted here 
? 

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread John Newell 

*Hi Riz, ( and Josiah )*
As this series of tw ebooks/ apps are ALL created *without *user saving 
options
I would only need a save button on the Journal / Notes tiddler - which you 
(Riz) suggested. 
An elegant and simple way to have a dynamic page where the user can add 
their notes, journal entries etc 

With all Page Toolbar Buttons removed in the ReadOnly conversion process - 
I would need to independently ADD an EDIT and SAVE button  just to that one 
tiddler - 
which is what I am asking if anyone knows how to do this.

Josiah - you may be right - perhaps "nobody will bother"
but I have greater faith and determination in getting tiddlywiki out there 
to a wider, appreciative market.
I hope I find support within 
My clear preference is to have a *native tiddlywiki solution* to this
but if that isn't possible here -  I will look to engage someone to assist 
in this 
and there are other "embedded" options that work well as an alternative to 
this specific inclusion
such as ( https://goo.gl/XDfKu9 ) - 
clean and robust within a tiddler.

I currently am embedding a raft of external resources anyway - including
soundcloud, youtube, padlet, twitter, facebook, evernote, linkedin, etc
( particularly deep and rich in the Directory edition I am working on )

cheers
John

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 4:54:54 AM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wouldn't I need a save button?
>
> Not necessarily, since as and when the user saves his journal, the TW 
> autosaves. Plus, what harm is there is retaining the save button as long as 
> user does not have the ability to meddle with main content?
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread Josiah 
ciao John & Riz

as far as I understand TW architecture Riz is correct. Its possible to 
limit saving to user additions and prevent edits to defined core tiddlers. 
Some informed' programmers could get round it. But doubt that would happen. 
Why would they bother? 

best wishes
josiah

On Tuesday, 4 October 2016 19:54:54 UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wouldn't I need a save button?
>
> Not necessarily, since as and when the user saves his journal, the TW 
> autosaves. Plus, what harm is there is retaining the save button as long as 
> user does not have the ability to meddle with main content?
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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread Riz 


> Wouldn't I need a save button?

Not necessarily, since as and when the user saves his journal, the TW 
autosaves. Plus, what harm is there is retaining the save button as long as 
user does not have the ability to meddle with main content?

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-04 Thread Riz 
John,
Sorry for such a late reply. 

So, see if this is what you plan to achieve.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6_7jBHr5dP-cklDdnZ3ZTRyWGM

It is not hosted, so you will have to download and see.

It has 5 sample chapters, for which there are no control buttons. On the 
bottom right corner of each chapter is a New Journal Button, which will 
open a New Journal, as usual tagged with chapter name, with all usual 
controls. 

The position of the New Journal button can be manipulated to place anywhere 
in the chapter tiddler with CSS (the easy way but a little unreliable way) 
or by change the order of list field in the main ViewTemplate manually. 

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-03 Thread John Newell 
I think I am near what you suggest 
C/- tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/  
tiddler - "Creating a simple Contacts DB"
just not quite sure how to set up as you advise ..

JN


On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:22:15 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Oh, no. I think I did not make myself clear. In order to give the reader 
> ability to add content while restricting them from editing the main content 
> - isn't it easier to just hide the title bar of the ebook content? Even 
> better, create a view template with just new tiddler or new journal button 
> while hiding the rest. This has the advantage of keeping the TW self 
> contained, rather than being dependant on an external site and expecting 
> the reader to be online? 
>
> Of course this will not prevent someone with know how of tiddlywiki from 
> hunting down that one shadow tiddler and reversing the effect, but hardly 
> anything will stop them. 
>
> Is there an obvious point I am missing here?
>
> On 04-Oct-2016 8:24 AM, "John Newell"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Riz 
> >
> > If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal - 
> Notes' :
> > As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it 
> is visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what 
> page/chapter they are at (and)
> >
> > I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
> > (and)
> >
> > Set the iframe height and width at 100% 
> >
> > Cheers John
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-03 Thread John Newell 
Hi Riz

I believe I get it - but in order to ensure that I do 
Assuming the rest of the ebook is fine ...

In a ReadOnly situation - CAN I add a "New Journal" button :
- that opens a new tiddler 
- that the (each) user can use and save - for themselves?

Wouldn't I need a save button?

If this is easy to create - could you create an otherwise blank TW and show 
that to me ?

with thanks
John


On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 2:22:15 PM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Oh, no. I think I did not make myself clear. In order to give the reader 
> ability to add content while restricting them from editing the main content 
> - isn't it easier to just hide the title bar of the ebook content? Even 
> better, create a view template with just new tiddler or new journal button 
> while hiding the rest. This has the advantage of keeping the TW self 
> contained, rather than being dependant on an external site and expecting 
> the reader to be online? 
>
> Of course this will not prevent someone with know how of tiddlywiki from 
> hunting down that one shadow tiddler and reversing the effect, but hardly 
> anything will stop them. 
>
> Is there an obvious point I am missing here?
>
> On 04-Oct-2016 8:24 AM, "John Newell"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Riz 
> >
> > If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal - 
> Notes' :
> > As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it 
> is visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what 
> page/chapter they are at (and)
> >
> > I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
> > (and)
> >
> > Set the iframe height and width at 100% 
> >
> > Cheers John
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-03 Thread Rizwan Ishak 
Oh, no. I think I did not make myself clear. In order to give the reader
ability to add content while restricting them from editing the main content
- isn't it easier to just hide the title bar of the ebook content? Even
better, create a view template with just new tiddler or new journal button
while hiding the rest. This has the advantage of keeping the TW self
contained, rather than being dependant on an external site and expecting
the reader to be online?

Of course this will not prevent someone with know how of tiddlywiki from
hunting down that one shadow tiddler and reversing the effect, but hardly
anything will stop them.

Is there an obvious point I am missing here?

On 04-Oct-2016 8:24 AM, "John Newell"  wrote:
>
> Hi Riz
>
> If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal -
Notes' :
> As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it
is visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what
page/chapter they are at (and)
>
> I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
> (and)
>
> Set the iframe height and width at 100%
>
> Cheers John

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Re: [tw] Journal/Notes Page for readers of TW ReadOnly vers. - Ideas sought. Access to Option provided to view & use.

2016-10-03 Thread John Newell 
Hi Riz

If you are referring directly to the 'sample' page titled 'Journal - Notes'
:
As a page/chapter within a TWeBook, I would appropriately title it so it is
visible (the reader would expect to have that identification of what
page/chapter they are at (and)

I remove the time-stamp beneath the title
(and)

Set the iframe height and width at 100%

Cheers John

On Tuesday, 4 October 2016, Riz  wrote:

> Hi John,
> As someone interested in your TW5's application as an ebook reader, tell
> me this. Wouldn't it be rather easier to hide the titlebar of the main
> content?
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