Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread Ste Wilson 
My opener for ten.. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread Ste Wilson 
Tiddly Wiki is a personal notebook which can be used to store all your thoughts 
in an easy to manage flash cards style system. You can easily link from one 
card to another as well as group topics and thoughts with tags 
#nohashtagneeded. 

It comes in a single file which can be opened and edited in any browser and 
saved back to you usb stick or your pc.

If you want more there are off the shelf plugins available to add functionality 
to your Wiki and the ability to customise it into something unique and bespoke 
for your needs. 

You can get started by downloading your own from tiddlywiki.com. 



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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Its an alarming trend, given that Chrome is so crap on facilities. (Me: 
gnostic in a wood with wi-fi since 1957).

J.

Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Just an interesting graphic on the browser market: 
> https://www.w3counter.com/trends
>
> Notice Firefox goes from slightly upward to significantly downward when 
> chrome came out. And I think the reason was responsiveness. At least that 
> is what it was for me. 
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Assign me a task for one item.

J

Riz wrote:
>
> Now somebody got to write the answers.  
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread Rizwan Ishak 
Now somebody got to write the answers.

On 26-Sep-2017 11:43 PM, "Arlen Beiler"  wrote:

> How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it on
>> GG?
>
>
> I don't think it really matters if *I* don't see it. What matters is that
> I know it is there and every new person that goes to join the group is
> going to see it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
> wrote:
>
>> How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it
>> on GG?
>>
>> Okay. WELCOME ...
>>
>>1. What is TW?
>>2. Where do you download it?
>>3. What can you do with it?
>>4. How do you save it?
>>5. Some example TiddlyWikis.
>>6. How to ask questions & where.
>>
>> Next up. The OTHER THREAD. The SAVING Crisis (actually its a bonanza
>> already). For LOCAL save ...
>>
>>1. The Death of Firefox at 57 and how to postpone it.
>>2. TiddlyServer (sorted)
>>3. WebDav (in process)
>>4. Mark S' Batch System (interesting experiment)
>>5. TiddlyDesktop (needs updating)
>>6. The other thing ...
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> I say we start here. Right now. Discuss what would we like to see in a
>>> "Welcome" thread...
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread Arlen Beiler 
>
> How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it on
> GG?


I don't think it really matters if *I* don't see it. What matters is that I
know it is there and every new person that goes to join the group is going
to see it.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it on
> GG?
>
> Okay. WELCOME ...
>
>1. What is TW?
>2. Where do you download it?
>3. What can you do with it?
>4. How do you save it?
>5. Some example TiddlyWikis.
>6. How to ask questions & where.
>
> Next up. The OTHER THREAD. The SAVING Crisis (actually its a bonanza
> already). For LOCAL save ...
>
>1. The Death of Firefox at 57 and how to postpone it.
>2. TiddlyServer (sorted)
>3. WebDav (in process)
>4. Mark S' Batch System (interesting experiment)
>5. TiddlyDesktop (needs updating)
>6. The other thing ...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Josiah
>
> Riz wrote:
>>
>> I say we start here. Right now. Discuss what would we like to see in a
>> "Welcome" thread...
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Slightly tech point ... (you people FORCED me to think more nerdish)

FF 57, so I'm told, by #Mozilla folk who don't care about file saving, will 
attract Chrome users because its looks like Chrome+. I am highly sceptical.

J.

Riz wrote:
>
> PS: It is official I guess - FF 57 aka FF Quantum is hitting shelves on 
> Nov 14th. Apparently it boasts of almost double responsiveness, according 
> to benchmark tests. Would people retain old FF 52 or ESR varieties is that 
> is true?
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread Arlen Beiler 
TiddlyTweeter et al,


> Noted. I apologise for referring to it a few times as "Retired". I
> genuinely formed the idea that TiddlyServer was its nemesis.


I had formed that opinion as well based on comments in one of the last
TiddlyWiki hangouts about TiddlyDesktop. There was a TiddlyServer version 1
that was similar to TiddlyDesktop I am told. Thus mine was named version 2.
I don't know why you couldn't use TiddlyServer 2 to build a new
TiddlyDesktop 2, except that it doesn't quite have the same functionality
yet. They would basically perform the same function.

I would be happy to work with any developers who want to do something like
this, or contribute ideas. At some point, TiddlyServer is probably going to
get an admin panel.

That is REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT. I do not get this GG through Email. To
> me IT IS A FORUM.


I get *these* GG through my email, where it is conveniently grouped by
thread and tagged according which GG it originates from. However I am
probably one of the biggest culprits when it comes to using regular for dev
talk. I try to keep it separate, but sometimes I forget.

I've also become pretty experienced at figuring out which threads are of
interest to me (esp. design discussions) and which are out of my field
(anything with filters or wikitext). Gmail tells me how many emails came in
for that category since I last checked, so I can pretty well make sure I
don't miss anything I'm interested in.

Then, of course, I can search for any mention of a certain term, such as
TiddlyServer, right in my inbox.


> * There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com isn’t
> practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to
> solve problems that should really be solved on the main site.  I’m very
> much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have
> to happen…


I usually feel this way as well. Although I probably shouldn't. Now that I
have the tools I need to easily clone and commit (GitHub Desktop), it
should make it easier. I just have to look up what exactly to edit.

To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups
> has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion
> board...


There's a lot of work between here and there. TiddlyWiki hasn't yet seen a
solution that scales well no matter the size. And this Google Group
generates a lot of content. I really feel like we need a wiki where some of
us who want to document stuff can do so. We already have Wikibooks
available. Github wiki could work but is not as easy to organize nicely. We
have reddit wiki. And we could use TiddlyWiki for a community wiki. I feel
like I'm getting close to that point with TiddlyServer and CardServe (in
the works), but I have no idea what Jeremy has up his sleeve. That would
not need to scale nearly as much as a message board or forum would anyway.

Arlen

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:01 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Jeremy & tutti,
>
> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups
>> has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion
>> board...
>>
>
> Brilliant. The only problem is the starving dog :-). The downside is
> whilst we wait *Rover has a bit of a lean time* :-).
>
>
>> Josiah’s original question was whether it was worth keeping the
>> TiddlyWikiDocs and TiddlyWikiDev groups because they seem peripheral...
>>
>> I’m not sure that I can see any case for closing them.
>>
>
> Actually I agree--but weakly. Meaning, I don't think it does harm having
> them. But I still don't think it adds anything. For the life of me I can't
> find a single post on TiddlyWikiDev that I haven't seen the like of in the
> TiddlyWiki GG. And TiddlyWikiDocs is largely unused.
>
>
>> ... a critical thing is that in a classical open source project these are
>> mailing lists, and not forums.
>>
>
> That is REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT. I do not get this GG through Email. To
> me IT IS A FORUM.
>
> Because I view it as an online forum, maybe you can see now why I attach
> more relevance to Pinned threads etc than someone who gets it all through
> email.
>
> I think its important to understand that GG is NOT just a mailing list.
> This has some bearing on current issues.
>
>
>> ... I am preparing an update for TiddlyDesktop with the latest version of
>> nw.js, so that will remain an option for Firefox refugees
>>
>
> Noted. I apologise for referring to it a few times as "Retired". I
> genuinely formed the idea that TiddlyServer was its nemesis.
>
>
>> * ... Stack Exchange could only host a component of our online community
>> ...
>>
>
> Agree. StackExchange, also, I find, illustrates a negative "numbers game".
> The very robust TW community still has trouble there because of our low
> numbers. That makes it hard to get momentum to get it to work. So, in that
> sense, we are victims of its restrictive volume rules.
>

Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Ciao Jeremy & tutti,

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups 
> has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion 
> board...
>

Brilliant. The only problem is the starving dog :-). The downside is whilst 
we wait *Rover has a bit of a lean time* :-). 
 

> Josiah’s original question was whether it was worth keeping the 
> TiddlyWikiDocs and TiddlyWikiDev groups because they seem peripheral...
>
> I’m not sure that I can see any case for closing them.
>

Actually I agree--but weakly. Meaning, I don't think it does harm having 
them. But I still don't think it adds anything. For the life of me I can't 
find a single post on TiddlyWikiDev that I haven't seen the like of in the 
TiddlyWiki GG. And TiddlyWikiDocs is largely unused.
 

> ... a critical thing is that in a classical open source project these are 
> mailing lists, and not forums. 
>

That is REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT. I do not get this GG through Email. To 
me IT IS A FORUM. 

Because I view it as an online forum, maybe you can see now why I attach 
more relevance to Pinned threads etc than someone who gets it all through 
email. 

I think its important to understand that GG is NOT just a mailing list. 
This has some bearing on current issues.
 

> ... I am preparing an update for TiddlyDesktop with the latest version of 
> nw.js, so that will remain an option for Firefox refugees
>

Noted. I apologise for referring to it a few times as "Retired". I 
genuinely formed the idea that TiddlyServer was its nemesis.
 

> * ... Stack Exchange could only host a component of our online community 
> ...
>

Agree. StackExchange, also, I find, illustrates a negative "numbers game". 
The very robust TW community still has trouble there because of our low 
numbers. That makes it hard to get momentum to get it to work. So, in that 
sense, we are victims of its restrictive volume rules.
 

> * Josiah’s comments about "HERE IS THE SCREENPLAY MAKER" & "THERE IS THE 
> BRILLIANT GTD SYSTEM” suggest that we’ve not done a good job of 
> communicating the purpose of “editions” of TiddlyWiki. The intention is 
> precisely as described: a series of canned, off-the-shelf starter wikis for 
> various specific purposes. The presentation isn’t good at the moment but 
> that particular wheel has been invented...
>

I think this is quite a complex issue. I'm as much as fault as anyone for 
not ever having publicly released anything. I got touched with DIY-itis, so 
nothing I ever make is good enough--yet--yet.

It's an issue I hope we can collectively consider more. I'm convinced there 
is great work in the wings that if it were more visible would help newbies 
grasp what TW can do for them.
 

> * Josiah suggests catering for the needs of newbies to TiddlyWiki is with 
> a dedicated discussion group ... it’s even more important that we cater for 
> newbies at tiddlywiki.com. 
>

One small point on this. The BRIDGE between GG & tiddlywiki.com is perhaps 
not quite as clear as it could be on the GG end. 

For instance, the header for the group does not give the address of 
tiddlywiki.com . And there is not a single pinned thread saying WELCOME in 
the GG group that points back to tiddlywiki.com for beginners.
 

> * There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com isn’t 
> practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to 
> solve problems that should really be solved on the main site.  I’m very 
> much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have 
> to happen… 
>

Yes. I think part of this is there is no real clear BRIDGE mechanism 
between the two to clarify (a) HOW to do it; (b) WHAT is valuable to prep, 
what is NEEDED. Its pretty obvious that a LOT of things written into this 
GG daily are proto-documentation. But some mechanism is needed to point to 
the valuable ones. Its erroneous to believe people will point to 
themselves--so I think one needs a thread to PROMOTE THIS to list things 
worth working up into documentation. I just don't believe good docs arise 
from nowhere. It needs a framework of intent & need.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Again, thanks to everyone for contributing to another interesting thread.

To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups has 
been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion board. 
Part of the motivation is that I believe we could build a tool that supports 
ordinary back-and-forth threaded discussion, but also adds features to enable 
community members to refactor/reindex/retag/remix posts to make them logically 
arranged and easy to find. I parrot that the purpose of TiddlyWiki is to make 
information reusable by chopping it up into chunks and weaving those chunks 
into a multiplicity of narrative sequences, and that’s pretty much what I see 
needed here.

Josiah’s original question was whether it was worth keeping the TiddlyWikiDocs 
and TiddlyWikiDev groups because they seem peripheral. The origins are that we 
created those two groups in response to the community feeling that those topics 
were crowding out the main group, and putting off newbies due to their 
complexity.

I’m not sure that I can see any case for closing them.

Having topic-specific mailing lists is common amongst open source projects. The 
problems, such as they are, are easily understood: people can have difficulty 
picking the right group for their post, and threads can drift between topics. 
For me, a critical thing is that in a classical open source project these are 
mailing lists, and not forums. The great advantage of mailing lists is that 
they are delivered via push to a single place (my inbox); with forums users 
need to visit each one to find the latest activity (unless they are 
sophisticated enough to use an RSS reader). Thus, for people like me who prefer 
to participate with discussion groups via email there’s very little cost to 
being subscribed to a low traffic group. I do appreciate that for people 
reading via the web interface it’s a little harder, but not much; Google Groups 
shows a count of unread posts in the groups to which you are subscribed.

Beyond Josiah’s original question there were some other parts of the thread I’d 
like to pick up:

* Firstly, TiddlyDesktop isn’t dead. It’s just that I’ve lost some enthusiasm 
for it because of the feedback that it wasn’t as good as their regular browser 
(in terms of spell checking etc). My worry has been that TiddlyDesktop 
development could degenerate into endlessly chasing end user browser features. 
Then Arlen started TiddlyServer which does an awful lot of the things that I 
was interested in exploring with TiddlyDesktop...

* Nonetheless, I am preparing an update for TiddlyDesktop with the latest 
version of nw.js, so that will remain an option for Firefox refugees

* As I understand it, the TiddlyWiki Stack Exchange site couldn’t really be a 
substitute for the general TiddlyWiki discussion group because Stack Exchange 
is ruthlessly focussed on the Q format. At least when they started, they 
discouraged free-wheeling discussion and focussed on asking and answering 
questions. Unless that’s changed, Stack Exchange could only host a component of 
our online community

* Josiah’s comments about "HERE IS THE SCREENPLAY MAKER" & "THERE IS THE 
BRILLIANT GTD SYSTEM” suggest that we’ve not done a good job of communicating 
the purpose of “editions” of TiddlyWiki. The intention is precisely as 
described: a series of canned, off-the-shelf starter wikis for various specific 
purposes. The presentation isn’t good at the moment but that particular wheel 
has been invented...

* Josiah suggests catering for the needs of newbies to TiddlyWiki is with a 
dedicated discussion group. While a dedicated group could be useful, I think 
it’s even more important that we cater for newbies at tiddlywiki.com 
. It’s actually quite a dedicated newbie who gets from 
tiddlywiki.com  to the point of finding the discussion 
groups

* There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com 
 isn’t practical, which I think is why we’re discussing 
using pinned threads to solve problems that should really be solved on the main 
site.  I’m very much open to contributions that make changes, but those 
contributions have to happen… 

* The proposal has come up of migrating from Google Groups to another bit of 
forum software. One problem is that I don’t see any forum software that really 
moves significantly beyond Google Groups. Things like Discourse are pretty 
old-fashioned and traditional. But in any event, any move needs to consider 
who’s going to host it, who’s going to pay for it, who’s going to ensure 
backups are taken etc. It is more than just choosing and deploying software to 
a server.

I have some thoughts for where we might go from here:

* We need to get to the point where a bigger team in the community can update 
tiddlywiki.com  with links to new examples, plugins etc 
so that we spread the workload

* We need to move

Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-21 Thread Lost Admin 
I didn't know there was a Reddit for tiddlywiki. I will go stealth reading 
it for a while.

I use reddit to get very specific news about very specific things. 
sub-reddits that turn into a forum (like this) I drop pretty quickly. But, 
that's just my useage pattern. I am fully away others work completely 
differently.

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 5:15:03 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Its here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ ... 
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-20 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Its here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ ... and Riz is doing a few 
posts again after his resurrection from wage slavery & pissed-offness at 
the state of the world... 

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:57:47 UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> So how do I sign up for the Reddit group and actually start using it?
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:39 PM, @TiddlyTweeter  > wrote:
>
>>  I totally agree. AND disagree. BEFORE tiddlywiki.com how about PINNING 
>> here? The problem with talking about tiddlywiki.com is its one step too 
>> far away from anyone but @Jermolene doing anything. Like its "over there 
>> that it gets done" (by who?).
>>
>> The issue, at root is about MAKING A DECISION amongst those who would do 
>> it THEN LOBBY @Jermolene to get it moved on. IMO, I think PINNED threads 
>> here in GG could be a way to develop such material in an incremental 
>> manageable fashion.
>>
>> Best wishes 
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:22:46 UTC+2, ste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:


 I can see an argument for adding more FAQ type docs to tiddlywiki.com. 
 That is the minimalist way, ie a <> or similar.

 I don't know how often this has been discussed already, but 
>>> tiddlywiki.com could also use more examples (e. g. for the usage of 
>>> macros, widgets, filters etc.) Examples are often the easiest way to 
>>> understand new concepts. Many Linux man pages suffer from the same problem, 
>>> by the way.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Stef
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-20 Thread Arlen Beiler 
So how do I sign up for the Reddit group and actually start using it?

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:39 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
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>  I totally agree. AND disagree. BEFORE tiddlywiki.com how about PINNING
> here? The problem with talking about tiddlywiki.com is its one step too
> far away from anyone but @Jermolene doing anything. Like its "over there
> that it gets done" (by who?).
>
> The issue, at root is about MAKING A DECISION amongst those who would do
> it THEN LOBBY @Jermolene to get it moved on. IMO, I think PINNED threads
> here in GG could be a way to develop such material in an incremental
> manageable fashion.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:22:46 UTC+2, ste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I can see an argument for adding more FAQ type docs to tiddlywiki.com.
>>> That is the minimalist way, ie a <> or similar.
>>>
>>> I don't know how often this has been discussed already, but
>> tiddlywiki.com could also use more examples (e. g. for the usage of
>> macros, widgets, filters etc.) Examples are often the easiest way to
>> understand new concepts. Many Linux man pages suffer from the same problem,
>> by the way.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Stef
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-20 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
EXACTLY.  We are here in this camp. Like it or lump it.

One thing I do keep pointng at is PINNING of a few threads here...  like ...

-- NEW HERE?

and 

-- WAYS TO SAVE YOUR TIDDLYWIKI.

 and maybe a few others like ...

-- SHOWCASE LINKS

and 

-- GREAT PLUGINS

But so far I never got anyone interested.

Basically we are a comfy basket that keeps itself warm :-). 

Best wishes
Josiah


Ste Wilson wrote:
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> Aren't we just circling the drain? Riz campaigned for a Reddit group 
> worked hard to set it up and then watched as nothing happened.. We have 
> that other thing that still needs votes (stack exchange?) which is going 
> nowhere fast but we do have yet another thread calling for better 
> documentation, newbie friendliness, better links to mature tiddlywiky's and 
> here we are... On Google groups. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-20 Thread Ste Wilson 
Aren't we just circling the drain? Riz campaigned for a Reddit group worked 
hard to set it up and then watched as nothing happened.. We have that other 
thing that still needs votes (stack exchange?) which is going nowhere fast but 
we do have yet another thread calling for better documentation, newbie 
friendliness, better links to mature tiddlywiky's and here we are... On Google 
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-16 Thread Danielo Rodríguez 
What about trying a forum ? We can easily bring up a forum on any free tier, 
for example an heroku app and if it suceeds we can port it to whatever paid 
plan fits out needs, and maybe Jeremy could create an a record like 
forum.tiddlywiki.com for it. All are very straightforward and small steps 

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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-16 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Ciao dg

I agree with you that many *SEARCHES for TiddlyWiki bring up both Classic & 
TW5*. Since TW5 is NOT fully downwardly compatible *it can create confusion* 
having those results. *Different names should have been used, really* as 
they are different things. They weren't named so differently, so newbies 
can form the IMPRESSION TWC should be subsumed by & auto-supported by TW5. 
That is not the case in any straightforward way. 

It has left a CONFUSING legacy. It is too late to put it right now.

Regarding PINNING for beginners*. For reasons I don't understand there was 
resounding SILENCE. *It may be this group is in a Catch 22. There are not 
that many active people here and (rightly) the small numbers don't want to 
get involved in stuff like supporting beginners explicitly because its a 
BIG commitment to do it properly. 

*On the other hand, nobody here is against beginners*.

IN SHORT --- IF you have CHUTZPA as a newbie you will do okay. You may well 
be appreciated. 

But there is NO pinned HAND-HOLDING SECTION section yet. There should be, 
but there isn't. So the beginning of really utilizing TW *IS* tough.

Best wishes 
Josiah

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> Pinned threads would be very helpful! 
>
> great TW tutorial sites are for TWC, sorting out what works for the 
> current incarnation is a real problem. I don't know how applicable that 
> material is, so I stay away from it. 
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> A source of current, curated content would help a lot.
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-11 Thread Dave Goggin 
Pinned threads would be very helpful!

Since most of the great TW tutorial sites are for TWC, sorting out what
works for the current incarnation is a real problem. I don't know how
applicable that material is, so I stay away from it.

A source of current, curated content would help a lot. TiddlyWiki.com only
gets you so far.

-- dg

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM @TiddlyTweeter 
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> Ciao Mat
>
> Actually, I agree. Not least because its pretty obvious TW currently does
> not have enough active uses to maintain yet more Groups. That was partly my
> point in the first place "Get rid of all redundancy".
>
> One thing I think you overlook is people are ALSO looking here, not just
> at passive sites. They also look to THIS discussion group. Looking for
> relevant INTERACTION.
>
> I think whatever aids NEWBIES in some minimalist way should ALSO be PINNED
> threads HERE. So that a Newbie visiting this group could FIND THEIR FEET.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What is MISSING is a MINIMALIST way forward when you start. A place to
>>> ASK about real basics.
>>>
>>
>
>> Mat wrote:
>> I can see an argument for adding more FAQ type docs to tiddlywiki.com.
>> That is the minimalist way, ie a <> or similar.
>>
>> *Beyond that, I don't see what another forum than this one would bring to
>> beginners.*
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-06 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Ciao Arlen

One of the pains with StackExchange is the hoops you have to go through. I 
thought I voted already? Now I have to do it AGAIN? This process is slower 
than a snail with a heavy weight on its back :-).

Best wishes
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Re: [tw] Re: Home Sweet Home ... are TiddlyWikiDev & TiddlyWikiDocs worth keeping?

2017-09-05 Thread Arlen Beiler 
I feel like putting a plug in here for the Area51 proposal for a dedicated
TiddlyWiki Stack Exchange site. It's in the commit stage now, so all you
have to do is sign in and commit. It will help the proposal if you use the
same account you use on the rest of the stack exchange network if you have
200+ rep on another site.

https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2

Not to get off topic, though. Just a reminder. Keep going. But hey, that
would be one solution :)


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> These 2 groups experience periodic spurts of activity when clever folks
> get into really deep discussions that are off the general topic
>
> >>START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners
> Because TiddlyWiki is such a complex and functional product, making a
> distinction between newbie and "not newbie" questions is very hard since
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