Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Watson
Hi folks, OK, have found the manual and it's not as bad as I remembered; there are six 17x11 fold out sheets. The schematics are dated August 12th 1999 and are for Revsion H. I'll scan the schematics and the parts list in case that helps folks with non rev. H units. There are no copies of the

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-23 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: I think GPS can help by using it to control the transmitter and to set the receiver frequencies but the phase of the frequency hop clock is determined by the time of flight of the signal, something a receiver can't know in advance Right. But how big is the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for info about first true radio controlled clock

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:53 PM, jimlux wrote: On 2/22/11 12:12 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Jim! On 02/22/2011 02:34 PM, jimlux wrote: On 2/21/11 10:12 PM, Michael Lombardi wrote: I'm trying to determine the first product that could automatically decode and display a digital time code.

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Hop rates below 1,000 per second are far more common in simple systems than anything faster than that. At VHF, you are looking at a everybody being within one hop of each other. That makes the idea of a GPS based code start fairly reasonable. Bob On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:03 AM, Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for info about first true radio controlled clock

2011-02-23 Thread Javier Herrero
El 23/02/2011 05:53, jimlux escribió: CCSDS time codes reference NASA 36 bit.. maybe a reference it's in the back of the CCSDS standard. First CCSDS.301 issue seems to be January 1987, and references (on the 4th issue, Nov 2010) listed at last page seems not very old. CUC recommended epoch,

[time-nuts] OT: NZ Christchurch member

2011-02-23 Thread Raj
Anyone hear from Time-Nut Steve Rooke from Christchurch ? Cheers -- Raj, VU2ZAP Bangalore, India. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-23 Thread jimlux
On 2/23/11 4:48 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Hop rates below 1,000 per second are far more common in simple systems than anything faster than that. At VHF, you are looking at a everybody being within one hop of each other. That makes the idea of a GPS based code start fairly reasonable. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Watson
OK, Here is the result of my lunch-break scanning session. I had to use a desktop A4 sized scanner so you might need scissors and tape to make sense. The 17x11 sheets are split onto overlapping two letter sized pages (Rb lamp driver is on last couple of pages). Don't have time to tidy it at this

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for info about first true radio controlled clock

2011-02-23 Thread jimlux
On 2/23/11 5:09 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 23/02/2011 05:53, jimlux escribió: CCSDS time codes reference NASA 36 bit.. maybe a reference it's in the back of the CCSDS standard. First CCSDS.301 issue seems to be January 1987, and references (on the 4th issue, Nov 2010) listed at last page

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-23 Thread Had
Robert, THANK YOU Had, K7MLR At 07:29 AM 2/23/2011, you wrote: OK, Here is the result of my lunch-break scanning session. I had to use a desktop A4 sized scanner so you might need scissors and tape to make sense. The 17x11 sheets are split onto overlapping two letter sized pages (Rb lamp

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Joe S. Borovetz
On 10/30/2010 11:58 PM, Robert Darlington wrote: I finally got around to asking this question..I have been working on my 4501 timeserver for the past year. Bought the parts a year ago...finally put things together with all of the TAPR boards connected to the 4501. I copied your Ghost

[time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Pete Lancashire
I will soon have my 11 th piece of equipment that I want to feed 10 MHz (and some oldies 5 and 1). What is the current though on making one's own distribution box ? -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How good a 10 MHz do you need noise wise? If the stuff is common lab gear, there are a bunch of ways to go. If you are driving dual mixer setups then your choices narrow down a bit. Having stuff on one bench (and ground) is easier than running cables hundreds of feet. Assuming it's normal

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-23 Thread Arnold Tibus
Robert, as well from my side a big THANK YOU! Arnold Am 23.02.2011 16:29, schrieb Robert Watson: OK, Here is the result of my lunch-break scanning session. (...) http://people.bath.ac.uk/eesrjw/prs10/PRS10_revH_BoM_schematics.pdf ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Joe S. Borovetz wa5...@tapr.org wrote: On 10/30/2010 11:58 PM, Robert Darlington wrote: I copied your Ghost image to a 4 GB San Disk CF Card (used Windows to do the install) I don't have a 4501 so I'm guessing: A common problem is that the memory card is to

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The format of the CF card matters a *LOT* to the 4501. A normal Windows install can recognize more format variations than the 4501 can at boot time. Some cards work with the 4501 and some cards don't. I've had cards from the same vendor / same name / same size / same part number come in. The

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Pete Lancashire
was thinking along the lines of this (now discontinued) http://www.tapr.org/kits_tadd-1.html On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi How good a 10 MHz do you need noise wise? If the stuff is common lab gear, there are a bunch of ways to go. If you are driving

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Pete Lancashire
Initial destinations are HP 8665A, 5345A, 3325B, 5370B, 5372A, etc. for the critical stuff and for some oldies like a GR 1161A and HP 5110A at 1 and 5 MHz. then at some point I'll want it for projects of my own but first want to get the back of the benches first.. -pete On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That would be the video amp alternative. Works fine at some level. I don't have one so I'm only guessing that it's in the 2x10^-11 at 1 second range. I would be very surprised if it's not though. Is that good enough for the gear you have? I certainly have not seen much stuff that would be

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Pete Lancashire
just to get going until can 'upgrade' to something better. The TAPR was pretty cheap, but quite well though out like most of their stuff. -pete On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi That would be the video amp alternative. Works fine at some level. I don't have

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I don't believe most of that stuff is going to need a super standard as far as short term or phase noise is concerned. The only exception might be the 5370B. I haven't looked at it's clock setup / PLL in a while. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Since it's in the no longer available category, it may not be much of a solution. Not much need to upgrade for most of what you will be running. Another question would be weather you local standard is good to 1x10^-11 at 1 second. If it's not, then that might be the place to put your money.

[time-nuts] video amplifiers at Skycrafter in Orlando

2011-02-23 Thread Joe Leikhim
I was at Skycrafter yesterday and noticed about a half dozen 4 channel video amplifiers about the size of a small book for sale $15 each. These looked new and sorry, I did not note the make or model. They might be suitable for timebase freq distribution. They have BNC connectors, likely 75

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread dave powis
Have a look at http://g4hup.com/DA/DA.htm These are still available! 73, Dave, G4HUP From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011 18:11:16 Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- I hesitate to make pre-announcements, but TAPR plans to produce a very high performance replacement for the TADD-1, as well as a single-channel version for buffer/isolation amp use. I'm just on the verge of ordering alpha boards for the single channel version. I really can't hazard

[time-nuts] Earthquake meets time ball

2011-02-23 Thread Murray Greenman
Hi, You may recall we discussed here some time back about how time was disseminated in days gone past, and mentioned Time Balls at various locations from Greenwich onward. I'd forgotten that there was (and still is) one at Lyttleton, NZ, right at the epicentre of the big earthquake. This

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Darlington
Did you copy it? or did you burn the image using ghost? Sorry for the question, I just don't want to assume it's on there correctly. The card format doesn't matter at all if you're using ghost to apply the image since it will just extend whatever filesystem is in the image to the rest of the

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt

2011-02-23 Thread Brad Dye
Sorry if I missed this before, but is there a utility that will allow me control my PC's time from my Thunderbolt GPS-DO? 73s Brad Dye, K9IQY ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi guys, need some help with a cal on my SR-620 counter. In frequency measurement mode the unit always has an offset of up to +/-2E-010 after auto-cal when feeding the same 10MHz to the (A) input and to the external reference. It should not have any offset of course. Stanford says the

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Definitely time to scrap the counter. To save you the excessive landfill charge I'll take care of the disposal for you. Unfortunately for my future disposal business, the answer to your question is indeed, yes you can likely fix it yourself. The answer to the other question is also yes, this

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
Stanford Research is a rip-off any way you turn. Their support ethic is just crap. YMMV, -John Hi guys, need some help with a cal on my SR-620 counter. In frequency measurement mode the unit always has an offset of up to +/-2E-010 after auto-cal when feeding the same

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread Dave M
From: Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com Subject: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ? I will soon have my 11 th piece of equipment that I want to feed 10 MHz (and some oldies 5 and 1). What is the current though on making one's own distribution box ? -pete

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Joe S. Borovetz
At 02:58 PM 2/23/2011, you wrote: Did you copy it? or did you burn the image using ghost? Sorry for the question, I just don't want to assume it's on there correctly. I used Ghost to burn the image using Ghost32.exe from you web site. Joe d

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bob, John, Yeah, getting a we take $500 no matter if we fix the issue or not response is not what I had hoped for.. I don't have the time to learn about and tweak registers myself unfortunately, but at least there seems to be some hope now that this can be improved.. bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Darlington
I tested it before posting and it did work for me. I'm no longer setup for doing this again though. Your CF card should be able to boot (at least partially) in your PC assuming you're using a IDE - CF adapter like I had. Try burning the image again. If it still doesn't work and if another

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
The point is that SRS customer support is a sham. It might be OK for a Fortune 100 customer or National Lab, but they clearly do not want or care about support for anybody else. If their attitude is screw you, I believe in returning the favor. Companies like HP generally make most support

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My offer to take it to the land fill for you still stands. They are indeed unique counters. We have a mix of different brands and models. It's rare to find anybody who actually prefers the SR620. Bob On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:09 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Bob, John, Yeah, getting a

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi SRS is a tiny little outfit making a handful of niche products. I'm amazed they can make what they do, let alone support any of it. Rather than product lines they have something here and something else over there. Very hard to train people on. That's not to excuse any of this, it just is

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
Sorry Bob, That does not wash. They already have HC manuals with schematics. Dave at ArtekMedia is small too. If he can scan a manual and put it on-line for $25, so can SRS. And SRS probably already has it as a .pdf. As the the trade secret rubrick, it's nonsense. If some Chinese outfit wanted

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread Bob Camp
HI Simply put - they are so small they have to make money any way they can. Their setup is not very efficient. That leads to high costs and trouble on the balance sheet. Bob On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:11 PM, J. Forster wrote: Sorry Bob, That does not wash. They already have HC manuals with

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
I look forward to their demise then. Then Artek can make available what SRS won't. Pissing off users is not the way to attract more. YMMV, -John HI Simply put - they are so small they have to make money any way they can. Their setup is not very efficient. That leads to

Re: [time-nuts] My latest Net4501 NTP Server

2011-02-23 Thread Joe S. Borovetz
At 07:13 PM 2/23/2011, you wrote: I tested it before posting and it did work for me. I'm no longer setup for doing this again though. Your CF card should be able to boot (at least partially) in your PC assuming you're using a IDE - CF adapter like I had. Try burning the image again. If it

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread John Miles
Having done some early prototype testing on this upcoming amplifier (no financial involvement) I'll suggest that it may be worth waiting for. The isolation at 10 MHz is better than 90 dB, the PN floor is better than -170 dBc/Hz, and the cost will -- as usual for TAPR -- be much less than what