[time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or better than the reference fed into the SR620? I see plots of ADEV for hydrogen masers, but I can't understand how this can be measured from

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 15 Mhz and 10 Mhz

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Dec 2014 03:35, "paul swed" wrote: > > OK so it was not as hard as I thought getting all of teh screws out. The > harder part is getting the actual board to slip out of the back. > After getting to the bottom I found a locked 10 Mhz signal on U206 pin 1 > somewhat of a sine wave Why do you n

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 November 2014 at 21:38, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > You *know* what’s going to happen (it always does): > > You’ll get the LTE sold and the next day another project will pop up that it > would be absolutely perfect for :) > > Bob I don't know what the warranty situation would be on a used one

Re: [time-nuts] What's best an HP 58503A, Z3805A, or Z3801A upgraded to 58503A?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Nov 2014 16:17, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > 1) Z3805A http://www.ebay.com/itm/251527236609 > > * 16 channels > > * double oven > > * dual outputs > > * $499 + free carriage > > > > 2) Z3805A http://www.ebay.com/itm/271324714268 > > > > * 8-Channels GPS Receive > > * 6-Channel GPS Parallel trackin

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 November 2014 at 15:05, fjdvr...@zonnet.nl [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: > > Dave, > > I have had a 10811 in the 5342A. Not really a problem. However the thing is > that while your counter is switched off the outside temp of the oven warms > up, no surprise here, but when you switch it on,

[time-nuts] What's best an HP 58503A, Z3805A, or Z3801A upgraded to 58503A?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I'm seriously giving consideration to getting an HP frequency standard, and are looking at some from the Chinese seller "yixunhk" on eBay. I would be interested in the views of people on the merits of these 5 quite similar items as a GPS locked frequency standard. I'm not really so bothered about p

Re: [time-nuts] Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 22:38, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) > wrote: > It was very easy to fit the 10811A oven (HP 10811-60111) and get the > oven working > With the old TCXO in the frequency counter, the indicated frequency of > the 10 GHz signal was about 48 kHz of

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Nov 2014 05:55, "Orin Eman orin.e...@gmail.com [hp_agilent_equipment]" wrote: > Weren't you looking at the LTE Lite? It should do fine as long as you can get the antenna well situated (not necessarily outdoors, some of us get along with having it in an upper floor room). I have one on ord

Re: [time-nuts] Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 22:38, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > The HP 5342A has an optional oven oscillator. I just bought one of > those counters, but mine has a TCXO and is about 50 kHz off at 10 GHz. > I'm sure I can trim it closer than that, but if possible I

Re: [time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Dr David Kirkby On 27 Nov 2014 23:27, "Brooke Clarke" wrote: > > Hi Dave: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/171504585820 > > http://www.prc68.com/I/LTE-LiteGPSDO.html > Brooke Clarke I was aware of them, and are still contemplating getting one, but the Fury from Jac

Re: [time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 23:03, Bill Dailey wrote: > Get the Fury. Plug and play. Any idea of the price? I was thinking about that, and was going to ask Said what the price is, but if you have a rough idea, I would be interested to know. I might suggest he puts them on eBay too - I could be tempte

[time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
dd a power supply etc etc, it is not going to work out a lot cheaper than buying a used OCXO device. My mind is not made up about this. There are advantages and disadvantages of both. Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Alt

Re: [time-nuts] Convert Stanford Research SR620 time-interval counter to SR625 ???

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 22:15, Brooke Clarke wrote: > Hi David: Hi Brooke > If you look just to the right of the SR620 you will see a separate box that > contains the PRS10. Ah, I missed that!!! I was thinking it fitted inside the SR620, but obviously not. > The PRS10 can work as either a Rb G

[time-nuts] Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
The HP 5342A has an optional oven oscillator. I just bought one of those counters, but mine has a TCXO and is about 50 kHz off at 10 GHz. I'm sure I can trim it closer than that, but if possible I'd like to stick an oven oscillator in it. Does anyone know what is involved? I have at least one 10811

[time-nuts] Convert Stanford Research SR620 time-interval counter to SR625 ???

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
an Rb source in the SR620. Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, CM3 6DT, UK. Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892. http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel: 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900 to

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 03:06, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > Hi > > You need a good antenna setup to get a good disciplined oscillator. The bigger question is if you *need* the sort of “better” it gives you. If you are running a simple TCXO based GPSDO, you will have a number of issues to deal with compared to an

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 01:14, "Chris Albertson" wrote: > After this minimum you have th think about the probability of a strike. If > you live in Orlando Florida then it might be 100% and nearly zero in other > places and then you ask what the radio equipment cost. I paid $18 for my > Motorola Encore G

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 November 2014 at 22:14, Chris Albertson wrote: > You CAN (almost) lightening proof your system. BUT if the almost is not quite enough, one could damage a lot of expensive test kit. > Remember that Ethernet is always > gavalically isolated by transformers I lost Ethernet ports on * Sun Bl

[time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
phone. I explain that is not acceptable. MANAGER: So how do you suggest we earth it? ME: I don't know how to do it. This is not my area of expertise, but I know that what you are proposing, with 1 mm wire and poking the wire into the ground with your fingers is not acceptable. Dr. David K

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:51, S. Jackson via time-nuts wrote: > Jim, > > please remember you need proper lightning protection if you put the antenna > outside.. > > bye, > Said ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

[time-nuts] SR620 - "register as being warmed up" ????

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am hoping to buy a SR620 from a seller who is not familiar with the instrument, but who 1) Has knowledge of electronic test equipment in general. 2) Is willing to test the SR620 before an international shipment. This puts me in a somewhat better position than typicall eBay sale with comments

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 Nov 2014 23:10, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > Hi > > For a modern build, the PZT3904’s and PZT’s are a pretty good way to go with this amp. > > For normal distribution to instruments, there’s really no need to do anything this complex. > > Bob I am also thinking about the construction of a dis

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:42, Jim Miller wrote: > I'm putting it in the recommended Hammond enclosure powered by a USB cable > from my PC. I had originally planned to use the wall wart provided but I > want to get status from the unit without hacking a window in the top to see > the LEDs so I pla

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 24 November 2014 at 03:44, Said Jackson via time-nuts wrote: > On the 20MHz units there is already a strong buffer that can drive 50 Ohms > terminations so adding a buffer in front of the coax connector on that > version would have just added unnecessary phase and AM noise, parts count and >

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 23 Nov 2014 16:25, "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > For plots and photos showing performance with, and without, and with insulation see: >http://leapsecond.com/pages/LTE-Lite/ > The difference is dramatic, especially if you are used to working with OCXO where this sort of effect does not occur. Tom,

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 23 Nov 2014 17:49, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > > > In message < canx10hb0kdrnaayzgvm1gkduj7gklth0acdxczg894hxbus...@mail.gmail.com> > , "Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)" writes: > > >He installs ground source > >hea

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 23 Nov 2014 14:45, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > Hi > > If you have a basement in your house / building I do not. > —and — > it’s dry and reasonably draft free (no garage doors opening up from time to time) My lab is a room which is part of the garage! Just about everything is against me with this

[time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I would like to make a unit with multiple 10 MHz 50 Ohm outputs to feed my various bits of test equipment. I am thinking about some practical considerations. 1) It would be great if there was a circuit published which can give 50 Ohn output impedance from a 12-15 power supply, which a) Doesn't

[time-nuts] SR620 - any gotchas buying a used one?

2014-11-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
that in the 5370B manual. Were these available with a Rb oscillator? I see a seller on eBay that he has some Rb ones for $1500 extra, but I don't see it as an option on the SRS web site. Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd,

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 5342A (18 GHz) vs 5352B (40 GHz) frequency counters

2014-11-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 21 Nov 2014 23:24, "Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net [hp_agilent_equipment]" wrote: > > On 11/21/2014 04:51 PM, 'Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)' drkir...@gmail.com [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: > > I am looking for a microwave frequency counter and wo

[time-nuts] HP 5342A (18 GHz) vs 5352B (40 GHz) frequency counters

2014-11-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am looking for a microwave frequency counter and won an auction for an 18 GHz 5342A with the GPIB option today @ £200 (GBP). I have just paid for that. I also have the chance to get a 5352B 40 GHz counter for £500. That has GPIB as standard. In the short/medium term I don't see much use for a 4

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
ve Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, CM3 6DT, UK. Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892. http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel: 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900 to 2100 GMT only please) On 20 Nov

Re: [time-nuts] Yet another GPSDO

2014-11-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 18 Nov 2014 23:39, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > Hi > > Assuming that the number that looks like a date on the front panel is indeed a date, the gizmo was designed about 3 months ago. The OCXO looks a *lot* like a surplus Morion part. I think I’ll let somebody else go first on doing all the ADEV and ph

Re: [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 6 November 2014 18:09, xaos wrote: > I just cant figure out what it is ;) > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5071A-Primary-Frequency-Standard-/191386439159?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c8f854df7 > > One obvious question: Are the leftover parts worth anything close to the > opening bid ?

Re: [time-nuts] Mercury Ion Clock

2014-11-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 3 November 2014 12:58, Bert Kehren via time-nuts wrote: > Do not want to get off list subject but again have to disagree. Lets's leave it there. > Just checked my buys > and on July 1st 2012 I bought a Wiltron 6740B 40 GHz excellent condition > for $332 total cost. That was good. > You co

Re: [time-nuts] Mercury Ion Clock

2014-11-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 3 Nov 2014 02:59, "Bert Kehren via time-nuts" wrote: > > I respectfully disagree. Before getting totally submerged in time nuts > issues I did extensive work on signal sources up to 40 GHz as a hobby. So I > have since the early 90's sweeper, synthesizer, power meter, mixer for the HP > 7

Re: [time-nuts] Mercury Ion Clock

2014-11-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Nov 2014 16:50, "Jim Lux" wrote: behind a scintillator) > > The 40 GHz stuff these days is not nearly as exotic as it used to be. The challenge might be test equipment when you're debugging your 40 GHz synthesis chain. There's a fair amount of test equipment around to 40.0 GHz, but it is not

[time-nuts] BBC TV program "Click" has material about GPS jamming and e Loran

2014-11-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
interested, although I am not sure if those outside the UK can see it - you might need to use a proxy server in the UK, since I have no idea if they block access based on IP. Also more on the BBC in the last 24 hours or so about this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29758872 Dr. Da

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Oct 2014 04:48, "Mark Sims" wrote: > > A friend of mine is looking for an ADC that can do 5 bits at 20-40 gigasamples/second... there is a timing related component to the project. Any ideas of who makes a decent beastie? It needs to supply continuous data so things like a fancy scope won't

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am sorry, but I can't follow the circuit diagram. It is not clear to me what pins are joined, and what are not. Sometimes you have used a filled circle to indicate lines are joined, and in another case there's a semicircle to indicate that they are not. But on some of the others, I don't know

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 17 Oct 2014 19:33, "S. Jackson via time-nuts" wrote: > > > Hello Jim, > let me answer through Time Nuts as this may interest other parties as > well. > Yes, using a fast flip flop to generate 10MHz out of the 20MHz TCXO 3.0V > CMOS output from the LTE-Lite module will preserve the phase nois

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:18, "paul swed" wrote: > > David the locking makes sense but the other numbers do not make sense. > Combined best case would be +3 DBm also you say the current on the diodes > goes down. More power for less power in is not adding up. I went to a users meeting yesterday at Keysigh

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 11 Oct 2014 16:25, "Didier Juges" wrote: > If I could get 1200W by combining two 300W amplifiers, I would now be retired and very wealthy indeed. > > Unfortunately, there is no free lunch and unless somehow the Gun oscillators were delivering more power when connected to the magic T (maybe beca

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 23:28, "Brooke Clarke" wrote: > > Hi Dave: > > The small size of the Ku-band TV dish and that it's surface is covered with a "flat" type paint means there's little or no thermal heating of the receiver or feed. > There were cases with the early C-band TVRO systems where they did melt

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 22:17, "Andrew Rodland" wrote: > > You pick up satellite TV with a parabolic dish that points at one spot > in the sky where the geostationary satellite lives. A sun outage > happens when the sun wanders into the focus and overloads the receiver > with noise that drowns out the satel

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 23:52, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > HI > > In the case of a magic Tee or a normal power splitter (both passive devices), the current will not be limited by the combiner or the source. With a proper combiner, the source will always be running into 50 ohms. You will indeed get 6 db in the in

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 00:26, "paul swed" wrote: > > Depends on your detector is it a Voltage or power. 3DBM or 6 DBV are the > same. > Paul > WB8TSL You are mistaken. A 3 dB increase in signal level is a 3 dB increase - there's no need to say if power or voltage. The formula for computing an increase i

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:15, wrote: > > Hi, > > I came across this phenomena when transmitting with two 5KW transmitters > via separate parabolic antennas to a satellite. > > If the phase of the TXs was correct the received signal at the satellite > was 6db hotter! I can explain that easy enough. 1) Two

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:26, "Bob Camp" wrote: > > Hi > > It’s called injection locking. The two oscillators (or what ever) lock up at exactly the same frequency and some arbitrary phase. Depending on the amplitude and phase at the sum point, the result can be anything from +6 db to zero power. Anything t

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:18, "paul swed" wrote: > > David the locking makes sense but the other numbers do not make sense. > Combined best case would be +3 DBm also you say the current on the diodes > goes down. More power for less power in is not adding up. I agree. However, the fact that the current go

[time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
ho just tried it says the current in the diodes goes down about a mA when combined, so the input power to the devices go down very slightly. Typically these things run at a few hundred mA, so 1 mA is likely to be less than 1 %. Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office:

[time-nuts] Yokogawa TA320 Time Interval Analyzer

2014-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I see this on eBay http://m.ebay.com/itm/220505574616 Note that the seller has misspelled the manufacturers name. Has anyone used one? I have never even heard of this manufacturer - I guess it is Chinese. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Oct 2014 03:26, "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > > Again, either one is fine for time nut use. One of these days I should do a detailed performance comparison among a large set of both counters. > > /tvb I was actually going to suggest that it would be really nice to see a comparison of the various

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 October 2014 23:03, John Miles wrote: >> I just stuck an offer on a SRS 620, which is sold as seen. I'll take a >> chance it works if my offer is accepted. > > The 5370B is still the only high-performance counter that I own, personally. > SR620s are fine as far as they go, Is it me, or do

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 October 2014 13:24, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Dave, Hi Tom > Thanks for the raw data. Attached is my plot. Your data looks ok to me. Great > If you're interested here are some random comments about your > 8720D-1D5-oscillator-frequency.csv file: Sure > - Thanks for including the descriptio

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 October 2014 07:57, Magnus Danielson wrote: >> This answers my original curiosity now - did I have an OCXO or TCXO. > > > With that curve it is definitely an OCXO, and my guess is that it is an > SC-cut, which matches starting +40 ppm high (if I recall things correctly). > It is also typical

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 2 Oct 2014 07:10, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > > David, > > The character of starting high/low and then stabilize some 5-30 min later is typical of oven oscillators. Underdamped ovens have been seen before, I have even seen one on the brink of oscillation. Thank you. Do you know the likely caus

[time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Further to my question the other day about what type of oscillator was used in the HP 8720D VNA, fitted with the high stability oscillator option (1D5), here is the frequency as the instrument is switched on, after being powered off for 2-3 hours. The oscillator appears to start too high in freque

[time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Following on from my question the other day about the type of oscillator in the HP 8720D VNA, I finally got around to setting this up on the spectrum analyzer today. Luckily, some software I wrote back in 2008 for a friends HP 7 system was easy to modify to grab the save the frequency. So I can

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Sep 2014 14:16, "Jim Lux" wrote: > > On 9/30/14, 12:44 AM, REEVES Paul wrote: >> >> David, >> >> Just a thought but have you tried Pasternack? They do 'custom' precision cabling including 2.4mm connector options. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul, G8GJA >> > Rather than Pasternack, you might find

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 September 2014 22:45, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The information came from the HP data sheet on the oscillator. They provide > it to the people who manufacture the oscillators for them. > > Bob Can you share the data sheet? Dave > On Sep 29, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Dr.

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Sep 2014 08:46, "REEVES Paul" wrote: > > David, > > Just a thought but have you tried Pasternack? They do 'custom' precision cabling including 2.4mm connector options. > > regards, > > Paul, G8GJA Hi Paul, I don't know how good Pasternack are - I have seen some rather dubious connectors

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 20:06, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > >drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uksaid: > > Unfortunately Keysight have now sold all the cables, but do have the front > > panel overlay which is arguably the most critical item. > > > Spending £500 on 5 cables and a front panel overly is more attractive

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 17:58, "Bob Raker" wrote: > > It is a low end OCXO - uses AT cut crystal. 15V @ 300 mA. Warm-up time is > 6 minutes max for .1 ppm. Other specs as indicated in previous emails. > > Has NO EFC. Where do you get this information from? I think I am going to take the covers off thi

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 13:19, "Jim Sanford" wrote: > > Dave: > Check out w1ghz.org. > > Paul has some designs (and boards) that can lock different oscillators to a reference. He uses a long time constant to manage phase noise. I looked into that but it is an expensive way. PCBs are $6 each!!! I am going

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 00:27, "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > The next clue is the attached photo found at: > > "Agilent 08753-60158 Opt. 1D5 for 8753D/E/ES" > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/151256172424 Note that is for an 8753 (3/6 GHz) series VNA, not the 8719/20/22, which are 13.5, 20 and 40 GHz respectively. I

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 02:05, "Tom Miller" wrote: > > Dave, do you have access to a good counter? Not really. I have an HP 7 modular measurement system, which has all the bits for a 22 GHz spectrum analyzer. The analyzer has a frequency counter mode, but I have not written any software to grab data

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 19:37, Tom Miller wrote: > Looks like I am having crow for lunch today. I did find the 1D5 > installation instructions and at first it looked like the standard OCXO > package used in many HP instruments. But some closer reading shows that it > may in fact be a 50 MHz TCXO. > >

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 11:37, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > There's a pretty excellent 10->200 MHz multiplier in your HP5370. > > Consider using it for an experiment to see if your idea even works... > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp This response on the Keysight forum by a VNA guru http://www.keysight.com/owc_

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 15:52, David McGaw wrote: > The temperature stability and warm-up time imply an OCXO. 0.05ppm over > 0-55C is at the limit of what can be achieved with a TCXO but they do not > have a long warm-up time. It would be expensive and only would be used if > warm-up time was criti

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 12:40, Bill Dailey wrote: > I use this for my qs1r (125MHz) and to discipline a sound card (24.576MHz). > > http://www.valontechnology.com/5007%20synthesizer.html > http://www.valontechnology.com/3008%20divider.html > > I actually have one 5007 sandwiched between two 3008's wi

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 13:14, Jim Sanford wrote: > Dave: > Check out w1ghz.org. > Paul has some designs (and boards) that can lock different oscillators to a > reference. He uses a long time constant to manage phase noise. Thanks, I have dropped him an email. He has one at 200 MHz, which is what I

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 14:49, dlewis wrote: > If you can use 90 MHz, . No, I would really like to keep it an integer multiple of 100 MHz. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 11:37, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > There's a pretty excellent 10->200 MHz multiplier in your HP5370. > > Consider using it for an experiment to see if your idea even works... I know longer have that - I sold it to someone on this list, then later regretted selling it! But I do ha

[time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am looking for a quick & simple way to create a frequency of 200 MHz from 10 MHz. Actually 100, 200, 300 or 400 MHz would all work, but 200 MHz would be my preference. The input will be around 0 to +10 dBm and the output needs to be about +13 dBm. I did think of a x5 & x4 frequency multiplier

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 03:11, "Alexander Pummer" wrote: > > that is most likelly a TXCO, what is in the user's manual about warm up time? Two people responded - one says a OCXO and the other an TCXO!! The warmup time is I think an hour, but clearly that is not the time for an oven to warm up. If it wa

[time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
The 10 MHz high stability oscillator (option 1D5) in my HP 8720D VNA has the following specs Stability 0 to 55 deg C, +-/ 0.05 ppm Aging per year +/- 0.5 ppm What sort of oscillator is this likely to be - TCXO or OCXO? Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office

Re: [time-nuts] Homemade GPS Receiver

2014-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 September 2014 13:52, Azelio Boriani wrote: > From gpsinformation.net: > > In the frequency allocation filing the L1 C/A power is listed as 25.6 > Watts. The Antenna gain is listed at 13 dBi. Thus, based on the > frequency allocation filing, the power would be about 500 Watts (27 > dBW).

Re: [time-nuts] Homemade GPS Receiver

2014-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 Sep 2014 13:01, "Andrea Baldoni" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:07:56AM +0100, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: > > > I don't understand the units of signal strength > > > > "The L1 carrier is spread over a 2 MHz bandwidth

Re: [time-nuts] Homemade GPS Receiver

2014-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 17 Sep 2014 23:38, "Peter Putnam" wrote: > > Greetings, > > The link below describes a homemade GPS receiver. > > It is presented in a detailed and elegant manner that is certain to appeal to this reflector's subscribers. > > Peter > > > http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm I don't understand

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
OOPS! CORRECTION. I don't know the PIC but I would have thought chips for audio would be optimised for low noise far MOOR than one for driving motors. Ears are more sensitive to a bit of noise than motors. I assume I have misunderstood you. Dave ___ t

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
ght chips for audio would be optimised for low noise far less than one for driving motors. Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 http://ww

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 13 Sep 2014 04:39, "David McGaw" wrote: > > The battery probably was going weak and the oscillator coming out of full control by the crystal. The tuning-fork crystal used in RTCs is not as high-Q as a MHz crystal. I have noticed clocks using these can go quite slow at low voltage. The crysta

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 13 Sep 2014 01:23, "Alexander Pummer" wrote: > > just open the box, look for the wires which going to the magnet which drives the minute hand and measure the period time -- not the frequency, it is to low > yes analog quarz clock slows down as the battery get old, you will be surprised, that t

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900-2100 GMT) On 12

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 12 Sep 2014 03:35, "Alex Pummer" wrote: > > No that is to much, except if you overdrive it and you are so lucky that after it broke it is still working on a different frequency, but I would suggest check your frequency counter too, because 3% off of a clock frequency wold make the clock almost

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 Nov 2012 14:12, "David Kirkby" wrote: > > I've got an HP 8720D VNA. This has been out of support from Agilent > for 8 years, so its getting on a bit. There's a clock in the > instrument which keeps the date and time. This is losing about 1 day > per month

Re: [time-nuts] Eureka, no more Cs, active or passive H-masers or GPSDOs needed

2014-09-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 10 Sep 2014 17:36, "Brian Lloyd" wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Azelio Boriani > wrote: > I skimmed through the patent but did not read it in > detail. There may be some nugget in there that represents something new but > nothing jumped out at me. Maybe that is the trick to make

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB for Time Nuts

2014-08-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 10 Aug 2014 05:39, "Jim Lux" wrote: > (but, I gotta say that a lot of the patents that get published in the back of things like IEEE Ant and Prop Magazine seem, to me, to be pretty obvious..) I have not looked at patents recently, but most I have looked in the past are fairly obvious to som

Re: [time-nuts] National Standards labs worldwide - specifically Australia

2014-07-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 2 Jul 2014 07:55, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > The authoritative source is BIPM: > http://www.bipm.org/en/practical_info/useful_links/nmi.html Thank you. That is a useful resource to know of. > which points to: > http://www.measurement.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx Thanks, that is probably what

[time-nuts] National Standards labs worldwide - specifically Australia

2014-06-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
re superior, but I'd like to find a reference. 2) Who in Australia would be best at measuring the reflection coefficient of a 50 Ohm termination? -- Dr. David Kirkby G8WRB http://www.vnacalibration.co.uk/ Economical & accurate VNA calibration kits. Coefficients available for HP, Agilen

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 3 June 2014 19:22, paul swed wrote: > Great comment by Dave on the fact that someone > will give out some of the old options. Now I have to figure out what on > earth that might actually mean. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL There are a few options for those VNAs. These are basically generic, but ch

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 3 June 2014 16:54, Scott McGrath wrote: > Where are the software options for the 8753 coming from. Agilent will not > even talk about a VNA that's older than the PNA series This has been discussed on the HP/Agilent mailing list. Basically a couple of people that work at Agilent, one of whom

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 2 Jun 2014 19:07, "Alexander Pummer" wrote: > > I do not wanted to discourage any body, but building the hardware of a network analyzer is not a simple task, and requires substantial instrumentation, software could solve hardware problems to certain limit only > 73 > KJ6UHN VERY TRUE The larg

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 2 Jun 2014 18:14, "Thomas S. Knutsen" wrote: > > The design of an VNA is an interesting thing. It requires quite high focus > on good RF practices and screening. > > In the range 0-3GHz there is no low cost devices avaible, not counting the > copper mountain tech boxes ( http://www.coppermounta

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 2 Jun 2014 17:33, "Ed Palmer" wrote: > > There's a DIY project to build a spectrum analyzer at http://scottyspectrumanalyzer.com . Since it's modular, one version of the project is to add a couple of modules that change it into a network analyzer. But I think a VNA is an order of magnitude mo

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 2 Jun 2014 15:50, "Attila Kinali" wrote: > > I recently got introduced into the usefullness of a VNA. But these > things are horribly expensive for home use, even if bought from ebay > (before you say anything, remember i live in europe, where every > boat anchor hast to travel a long way). But

Re: [time-nuts] Boeing 787 GPS reception trouble

2014-06-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 2 Jun 2014 10:03, "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > Now I have never had a problem with reception in the terminal, walkway, or even while seated inside a plane. I figured the aluminum frame of the plane was thin enough that photons at cell, GPS, and gamma frequencies easily pass through the outer shell

Re: [time-nuts] New tide gauge uses GPS signals to measure sea level change

2014-05-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 28 May 2014 14:06, "Tom Holmes" wrote: > > Which begs the question: just where the heck, exactly, is the center of the > Earth given that it is in the 'middle' of a molten and dynamic core. I always thought that the centre was molten. There was something on the TV in the UK a couple of weeks a

Re: [time-nuts] 2014 Million £ Longitude Prize

2014-05-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 20 May 2014 21:19, paul swed wrote: > Boy this is really off target I guess. To get it back on topic, if one of the options was going to be "time" related, what would it be? Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

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