Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-13 Thread Gregory Muir
Sometimes the cone of protection simply does not exist. A couple of weeks ago I had to respons to one of my sites which contains an 800 foot tower. While there a large storm cell developed and a severe thunderstorm ensued. Shortly before leaving lighting hit the tower which was unnerving

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-13 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Greg, As I recall hearing it, the cone of protection is really just an area where the probability of a strike is much reduced. The cone of protection extends half as far as the lightning rod is high. If your rod was 800 feet high, the protection cone would extend 400 feet from the base of

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But you know what?  If you simply place an automotive puck type GPS antenna on your roof you have to do the same thing.  It must be grounded the same way, same lightening protection and

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/11/12 10:31 PM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But you know what? If you simply place an automotive puck type GPS antenna on your roof you have to do the same thing. It must be grounded the same way, same lightening protection and so on. So in the end you may as

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-12 Thread Rix Seacord
Hi gang Just to upset the apple cart a bit, high trees do not necessarily protect a large area from lightning. In my past life as a range officer at a large shooting facility, we were hit by lightning directly in front of the firing line during a storm. The tree line was about 20 to 30 ft

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I was concerned about the appearance before I did the first one. After putting several up, they all look pretty good. The mast portion looks straight from the ground and it's actually smaller than any conventional mast. The black paint does indeed help out a little in hiding the tee it's

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread Chris Wilson
10/06/2012 22:26 My Thunderbolt, PSU and antenna should arrive this week. I would like to put out it outside my shack, which is an upstairs room in a bungalow. Outside of the plasterboard walls of my room is a big empty roof space. Can I put the TB in there, with it's PSU and feed the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I was concerned about the appearance before I did the first one. After putting several up, they all look pretty good. The mast portion looks straight from the ground and it's actually smaller than any conventional mast. The

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread Bob Camp
; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions 10/06/2012 22:26 My Thunderbolt, PSU and antenna should arrive this week. I would like to put out it outside my shack, which is an upstairs room in a bungalow. Outside

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread EWKehren
In a message dated 6/11/2012 11:52:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I was concerned about the appearance before I did the first one. After putting several up, they all look pretty good.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread EWKehren
I know I repeat my self. I have done so far four sewer vents using a 4 way PVC splitter, sanding the side stubs down and glue a white GPS antenna flush on the top. 4 way so air comes in or out on the sidesRun the coax down the inside of the pipe, fish it out at the best location, seal the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-11 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But you know what? If you simply place an automotive puck type GPS antenna on your roof you have to do the same thing. It must be grounded the same way, same lightening protection and so on. So in the end you may as well put up a professional looking and

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Chris Wilson
10/06/2012 22:26 My Thunderbolt, PSU and antenna should arrive this week. I would like to put out it outside my shack, which is an upstairs room in a bungalow. Outside of the plasterboard walls of my room is a big empty roof space. Can I put the TB in there, with it's PSU and feed the antenna

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread WB6BNQ
Chris, You would be better off having the T'boldt inside and just run more coax cable to the antenna. The T'boldt is not weather protected in any way, so having it exposed to the elements is definitely not a good idea. As for the outside location, you want as much South facing clear view that

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Chris Albertson
I did about the same thing, added some long some long cables but did it differently. You can better performance if the T-bolt is in a space where the temperature is controlled. ANY place is better than an attic which has hot in the day and cold at night. My T-bolt is on the top shelf of a

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread bg
Hi Chris, Even if this is the datasheet of a later version, it gives an overall picture of what you ask about. http://trl.trimble.com/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-383329/022542-010B_Thunderbolt-E_DS_0807.pdf The Tbolt perform (even) better with stable temperature surroundings. 3m of antenna

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Get a chunk of RG-6 quad shield satellite TV coax from your local big box store. If the TBolt is 50' away from the antenna that's fine. Unless you have a very unusual home, you should be able to hit the antenna with 50' of cable. As others have said, you want the TBolt in a well controlled

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: ... 3m of antenna cable is no problem. Antenna position is more important than the exact type of antenna. I'd rather have a decent antenna at a very good site, than a very good antenna at a slightly worse antenna site 3M is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread bg
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: ... 3m of antenna cable is no problem. Antenna position is more important than the exact type of antenna. I'd rather have a decent antenna at a very good site, than a very good antenna at a slightly worse antenna site 3M is

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/10/12 4:24 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM,b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: ... 3m of antenna cable is no problem. Antenna position is more important than the exact type of antenna. I'd rather have a decent antenna at a very good site, than a very good antenna at a

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Bob Camp
On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/10/12 4:24 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM,b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: ... 3m of antenna cable is no problem. Antenna position is more important than the exact type of antenna. I'd rather have a decent antenna at

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Sorry for the blank… The easy way to mount the antenna: Head over to Home Depot and get a 1 Tee, a 1 flange, a 1 nipple, a 12 to 18 1 pipe, and a 6 long 1 pipe. The antenna goes on top of the 18 pipe. That screws into the tee. The bottom of the Tee gets the 6 pipe. Coax runs straight

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: HOWEVER, your scheme is going to be tricky to pass muster with the National Electrical Code. Two aspects need attention: You need to have a ground wire from the mast to the ground point and You need to have some form of

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Chris Albertson
I did that once and thought the bends in the pipe looked ugly. I wanted a simple vertical mast. The simple mast is also stronger because I can use U bolts to secure it to a rafter and a floor joist that are about four feet apart. Results in the very strong installation. It is build exactly

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-10 Thread Jim Lux
Totally agree On Jun 10, 2012, at 19:34, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: HOWEVER, your scheme is going to be tricky to pass muster with the National Electrical Code. Two aspects need attention: You