Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Unofficial Docs

2016-07-04 Thread Brad Stockdale
Hello all, After some time and some twists and turns in life, I've found time to work with my GPSDO's again. I've added two Z3815A's to my collection, after wanting to do so for a number of years. After reading through the listserv's historical posts to re-acquaint myself with the units (and

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A front panel status indicator

2016-02-27 Thread Gregory Beat
This Time-Nuts (archive) thread from January 2010 may be helpful. Some of this information came from i.fluke (eBay reseller from East Asia) https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2010-January/043928.html Originally designed by HP, and made under licence by Chongho in Korea, the Z3815A used the

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A front panel status indicator

2016-02-26 Thread Artek Manuals
On 2/26/2016 12:58 PM, Dickson Fu wrote: Hi all, A bit frustrated with my newly bought Z3815A. After power up, the "Block" indicator stays lit and no other LED turns on except Power indicator. It appears that GPS has never discipling. I cannot find any user manual for Z3815A and other hp

[time-nuts] Z3815A front panel status indicator

2016-02-26 Thread Dickson Fu
Hi all, A bit frustrated with my newly bought Z3815A. After power up, the "Block" indicator stays lit and no other LED turns on except Power indicator. It appears that GPS has never discipling. I cannot find any user manual for Z3815A and other hp smartclock does not have the same front panel

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A date problem fixed?

2014-01-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 26/01/14 02:33, Morris Odell wrote: Thanks for the reply Magnus. I know the frequency control function is unaffected by the date problem but I'm far too obsessional to ignore it :-) I contemplated the AVR solution to correct the code but once I looked at the output of the receiver with a

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A date problem fixed?

2014-01-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 24/01/14 11:59, Morris Odell wrote: Hi all, There was some consternation here 5 months ago when Z3815A GPSDOs began reporting a date 1024 weeks in the past. This was due to a storage overflow condition in the Furuno GPS receiver in the Z3915A. The designers probably never anticipated that

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A date problem fixed?

2014-01-25 Thread Morris Odell
Thanks for the reply Magnus. I know the frequency control function is unaffected by the date problem but I'm far too obsessional to ignore it :-) I contemplated the AVR solution to correct the code but once I looked at the output of the receiver with a MAX232 as suggested here, I found there were

[time-nuts] Z3815A date problem fixed?

2014-01-24 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, There was some consternation here 5 months ago when Z3815A GPSDOs began reporting a date 1024 weeks in the past. This was due to a storage overflow condition in the Furuno GPS receiver in the Z3915A. The designers probably never anticipated that they would still be in use 20 years

[time-nuts] Z3815A receiver transplant

2014-01-24 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, The Z3815A is working perfectly with the new receiver except for a persistent antenna alarm. The new receiver is reporting the antenna is OK but it must have a different self-test answer sentence to the old one. The self-test is a PFEC sentence, which is proprietary to the manufacturer

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A receiver transplant

2014-01-24 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Morris, You should be able to bridge one of the TTL to RS-232 ports on a MAX232 onto the line from the Z3815A to the GT-8031. This will let you capture the commands the Z3815A sends by using any terminal program. Similarly, if you bridge onto the line from the GT-8031 to the Z3815A you

[time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I noticed my Z3815A was show 0ns (zero) for predicted uncertainty tonight. Is there something wrong or is its predicted holdover uncertainty below measureable (displayable) value? Is there a pForth command that would give me an accurate figure for PHU? My 5 other Z3805A smartclocks are all in

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The holdover prediction is entirely dependent on the OCXO and how it's behaving. Your OCXO likely had a pair of events that caused the aging estimate to get very low. Bob On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: I noticed my Z3815A was show 0ns (zero)

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
My Z3815A has never shown a holdover prediction in the ns range... maybe it needs a very long running time (years) to adjust the SmartClock parameters. Mine has been on for only 1 year. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: marki wrote: I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Charles P. Steinmetz Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 10:26 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty marki wrote: I noticed my Z3815A was show 0ns (zero) for predicted uncertainty

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
2013 12:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty marki wrote: My Z3805A are usually in the 1-4us range. I was pleasantly surprised to see the nanoseconds! I must ask, do you have the later Z3805A with the MTI

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 95e6ce90-5629-4a8b-900f-7f32ccc22...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: Well if the Z3815 boxes are all fakes, they did a *really* good job on making up all the HP logo's and HP stickers. They even faked the right date codes for the add on stickers. They also did a very nice job with the custom

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-06 Thread Bob Camp
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013 7:23 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout On 06/05/2013 11:16 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are two very different

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-06 Thread Mark C. Stephens
: Thursday, 6 June 2013 8:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout Hi What I'm pointing out is that there are indeed *real* HP made Z3815A's in boxes. Ones without the crud, corrosion, flying soldered leads, and the like. Bob On Jun 6

[time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, There used to be a PDF around with details of pin-out and modifications for the Z3815A. I fail to locate it at any of the usual places, including google, Didier, TVB, Brooke etc... I fail to find it in any of my archives as well. I would appreciate if someone could share a

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-05 Thread Bob Camp
to 1/3 the price of the other ones... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:59 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout Fellow time-nuts, There used

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/05/2013 11:16 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are two very different 3815's out there. One comes in a nice box with rational connectors on it. (They are expensive). The other one is the plug in card that always seems to need a good scrub down. It appears to have the same stuff but connecting

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-05 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013 7:23 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout On 06/05/2013 11:16 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are two very different 3815's out there. One comes in a nice box with rational connectors on it. (They are expensive). The other one is the plug

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-05 Thread Bob Camp
- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013 7:23 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout On 06/05/2013 11:16 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are two very different 3815's out

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout

2013-06-05 Thread Mark C. Stephens
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A pinout Hi Well if the Z3815 boxes are all fakes, they did a *really* good job on making up all the HP logo's and HP stickers. They even faked the right date codes for the add on stickers. They also did a very nice job with the custom cables

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-30 Thread Mark C. Stephens
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013 5:40 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A This is an excerpt of my Z3815A's efc_rep: efc_rep 5537.347168 680715.5 3

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-30 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013 4:14 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A I ran efc_comp and the efc table is slowly filling! p4th D efc_rep 1.115185 672147.2 1 6.721472e+05 0.00e+00 0.00e+00 2.115185 672145.6 1

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Mark C. Stephens
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 12:36 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A I believe these were all rescued from the Tip (Dump, Trash) judging by the water damage and bent cases. Mine had been

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Bob Camp
for the e1398a OCXO? -marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 12:36 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 12:36 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A I believe these were all rescued from the Tip (Dump, Trash

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Mark C. Stephens
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 12:36 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A I believe these were all rescued from the Tip

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Mark C. Stephens
: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 9:03 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Hi Well, probably as good as the manual ... we have the guy who designed it (Rick Karlquist) lurking around here somewhere. I don't think I've ever seen a manual. How long have

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A The Z3815A here has (right now) 3.4us

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 11:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A The Z3815A here has (right now) 3.4us/24h of holdover uncertainty and -7.0ns PPS relative to GPS. The health monitor

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013 12:00 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Here the figures are the same, except: start ptr is 24 and stop ptr is 23 and last efc average is 680694.8 and not 0.0 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Azelio Boriani

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Bob Camp
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:02 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Hmm, Something is awry with this particular Z3815A: e.g. p4th D efc_rep

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013 12:00 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Here the figures are the same, except: start ptr is 24 and stop ptr is 23 and last efc average is 680694.8 and not 0.0

[time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Watch Out, I got hold of one.. I have powered it up and its drawing 52W @ 24v. My question is, What is the input voltage range on the Z3815A? Also, one for those familiar with the Z3815A, Holdover Uncertainty Predict: is showing 2 dashes ( -- ) From my experience with the Z380x clocks this

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Bob Camp
, the power drops quite a bit after warm up. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:58 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Z3815A Watch Out, I got hold of one.. I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 2:36 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Hi That's more power that it should be pulling. It *should* be happy on anything from about 20 to 60 volts. I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Bob Camp
] On Behalf Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:32 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Bob, Its settled down to around 1.3A @ 24V now. I'll up the volts to 28 and see wat happens then. Trying to trace where Port 1 comes out. Port 2

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Stewart Cobb
Your Z3815A may need more cooling than it's getting, especially if you have it resting horizontally as it looks like it should. I bought one of those kits from China about a year and a half ago. Powered it up, waited for it to lock ... and it was dead within a week, with the unmistakable smell

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
I'm powering my Z3815A from 48V, the telecom standard voltage. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Stewart Cobb stewart.c...@gmail.com wrote: Your Z3815A may need more cooling than it's getting, especially if you have it resting horizontally as it looks like it should. I bought one of those

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Hal Murray
I'm powering my Z3815A from 48V, the telecom standard voltage. The Z3801A is available in two ranges: 27V nominal, 19-30V, 23 starting 54V nominal, 37-60V, 46 starting Who uses 24V? What do cell phone towers use? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2013-05-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
8:13 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Your Z3815A may need more cooling than it's getting, especially if you have it resting horizontally as it looks like it should. I bought one of those kits from China about a year and a half ago. Powered it up, waited for it to lock

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread Azelio Boriani
Every GPSDO has only one 10MHz signal: the one coming from the OCXO. If there are many outputs they must always be the same. When the GPS has the 3D fix (or the position hold) and the algorithm has synchronized the OCXO, the 10MHz can be said locked but, when speaking about GPSDO, the correct word

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread GandalfG8
Not every GPSDO has a 10MHz OCXO. 5MHz is, or was, quite common, and I've come across at least one GPSDO with a 10MHz output that I assumed would use a 10MHz OCXO but that also turned out to be based on a 5MHz unit. Then there's the variant of the Trak Microwave 8821B, as just one

[time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread Arthur Dent
Not every GPSDO has a 10MHz OCXO. That is certainly true although from a time-nuts point of view, 10Mhz is certainly a very nice number. I have linked to a photo of both sides of a Trimble 1.5x5 GPSDO built about 2008 that has a 1 square Trimble branded OXCO that has a 76.80Mhz as well

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread GandalfG8
10MHz would have certainly been more useful to me as a reference source for test gear, my original intention, than the 2.048MHz I ended up with. Nice easy divide down to 1or 2 KHz though, if only I could find a use for that:-) Those photos are of a Trimble Mini-T, I didn't realise they did

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread Adrian
Nigel, you can easily divide the 16.384MHz by 16.384 (2^14) to get 1 kHz for phase locking a 10 MHz oscillator with your GPS box. Adrian gandal...@aol.com schrieb: Not every GPSDO has a 10MHz OCXO. 5MHz is, or was, quite common, and I've come across at least one GPSDO with a 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread Azelio Boriani
Not necessary in the Z3815A: it has already a 10MHz output. There are 3 SMB connectors near the rear connector, they are labelled so it should be easy for you to locate the 10MHz and the PPS output. Now I can't open my Z3815A to help, it is in use but from the picture found in Internet I see that

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Adrian Yes, I decided that too and may well try it sometime, although it's quite well down the to do pile right now, and it's even made slightly easier as it's already divided down internally to 2.048MHz:-) Ironically, when I bought the Trak unit I already had a 2.048MHz master

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-21 Thread bg
Hi Nigel, Then there's the variant of the Trak Microwave 8821B, as just one example, that uses a 16.384MHz OCXO from which they derive a 2.048MHz output without 10MHz anywhere in sight. When I bought one of those a few years ago I assumed that all 8821Bs would be 10MHz GPSDOs, or some

[time-nuts] Z3815A Internal SMA 10Mhz Output

2012-08-20 Thread Jerry
In ZL1BPU's GPSR-A User Manual, it mentions that there are internal points that provide access to regenerated system 1pps, 10MHz and 19.6608MHz square wave signals which are present even before the system is locked. After GPZ lock is the internal 10Mhz SMA connector output identical to 10MHz

[time-nuts] Z3815A Antenna Pad Query

2012-08-13 Thread Jerry
Hello, I am new to the group. Recently got a Z3815A (module type) and was looking at ZL1BPU's User Guide. Don't ask me why but before I soldered a BNC coax to the bottom antenna pads I checked them with an ohmmeter and found 2.5K across the signal pad and ground. I was surprised since there

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Antenna Pad Query

2012-08-13 Thread Azelio Boriani
Which type of ohmmeter have you used? What voltage does it use to make the measure? What polarity? If the voltage is greater than 700mV and the positive was put on ground maybe some diode has turned on... anyway 2.5K on 5V is 2mA. I have never made such a test on a GPS receiver. I can try on a

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Antenna Pad Query

2012-08-13 Thread Azelio Boriani
Well, the TBolt measures 1086OHM on the antenna connector with a test voltage of 3V (2K range on the multimeter) and open circuit when switching to 20K range with 800mV test voltage, positive on antenna and negative on GND. The Motorola M12 has 1940OHM (2K) and open on 20K. The uBlox LEA-5T is

[time-nuts] Z3815A Antenna Connection Question

2012-08-13 Thread Jerry
I am new to the group. Recently got a Z3815A (module type) and was looking at ZL1BPU's User Guide. Don't ask me why but before I soldered a BNC coax to the bottom antenna pads I checked them with an ohmmeter and found 2.5K across the signal pad and ground. I was surprised since there will

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Comm timeout

2011-02-22 Thread Maxima Hirokazu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Thanks for the reply. The mail I sent didnt come back on the mailing list, and thought there was an error. I'm sorry for the annoying repeating mails. Have you just tried using a terminal program to connect to the box to see if that also times

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Comm timeout

2011-02-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My Z3815A works fine (for weeks and weeks) with the Z8xx program. Bob On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:58 AM, Maxima Hirokazu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Thanks for the reply. The mail I sent didnt come back on the mailing list, and thought there was an error.

[time-nuts] Z3815A comm timeout

2011-02-21 Thread Maxima Hirokazu
Hi, I got my hands on a Z3815A(with hockey puck) and trying to communicate with it. It seems that Z38XX and gpscon work ok at first, then looses connection in about 30min.(error receiver timeout) If I reestablish connection, it works fine, but in another half an hour, it looses connection again.

[time-nuts] Z3815A comm timeout

2011-02-21 Thread Maxima Hirokazu
Hi, I got my hands on a Z3815A(with hockey puck) and trying to communicate with it. It seems that Z38XX and gpscon work ok at first, then looses connection in about 30min.(error receiver timeout) If I reestablish connection, it works fine, but in another half an hour, it looses connection again.

[time-nuts] Z3815A Comm timeout

2011-02-21 Thread Hirokazu Makishima
Hi, I got my hands on a Z3815A(with hockey puck) and trying to communicate with it. It seems that Z38XX and gpscon work ok at first, then looses connection in about 30min.(error receiver timeout) If I reestablish connection, it works fine, but in another half an hour, it looses connection again.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Comm timeout

2011-02-21 Thread cook michael
Le 22/02/2011 05:13, Hirokazu Makishima a écrit : Hi, I got my hands on a Z3815A(with hockey puck) and trying to communicate with it. It seems that Z38XX and gpscon work ok at first, then looses connection in about 30min.(error receiver timeout) If I reestablish connection, it works fine, but

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A and Z38xx software

2011-01-22 Thread Morris Odell
. The reverse engineered manual from Murray was all I needed to get it going. It's been on pretty well continuously for 3-4 years now and hasn't missed a beat Morris Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:39:57 -0500 From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us Subject: [time-nuts] Z3815A and Z38xx software Hi Is anybody

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
On 11 June 2010 07:24, Murray Greenman murray.green...@rakon.com wrote: If you have one of the earlier Z3815A units, you will find the superb HP E1938A 10MHz reference oscillator inside. There were manufacturing problems with these units, I understand, and later ones (like mine) have a

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 260's are better for environmental than a 10811, same / worse than a 1938. The typical 260 beats the typical 10811 or 1938 on short term / medium term stability. There are some 10811's and 1938's that will indeed beat some 260's for short term stability. Bob On Jun 11, 2010, at

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
Thanks Bob. On 12 June 2010 01:24, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi The 260's are better for environmental than a 10811, same / worse than a 1938. The typical 260 beats the typical 10811 or 1938 on short term / medium term stability. There are some 10811's and 1938's that will indeed beat

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread EWKehren
I have not seen any plots on the 260 or E1938A on this site, I have only been on for a year, how ever I have a few 10811s that Corby Dawson ran for me all below 1 E-12 one as low as 4 E -13 in the 1 to 100 sec. range. My problem is that Corby's file size is 900K and I have not found a way to

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Your 10811's are likely a result of someone going through a *lot* of 10811's to pick those out. I believe that the 260 part in the Z3815 is specified for a maximum ADEV of 1x10^-12 at one second. They show a part like that on their standard spec sheet. It's certainly quite possible to hit

[time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Arthur Dent
Hi The 260's are better for  environmental  than a 10811, same / worse than a 1938. The  typical 260 beats the typical 10811 or 1938 on short term / medium  term stability. There are some 10811's and 1938's that will indeed   beat some 260's for short term stability.   Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread John Allen
: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:20 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A I have not seen any plots on the 260 or E1938A on this site, I have only been on for a year, how ever I have a few 10811s that Corby Dawson ran for me all below 1 E-12 one as low as 4 E -13 in the 1 to 100 sec

[time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-10 Thread Murray Greenman
Magnus, The Agilent Z3815A is a very nice unit, and fairly easy to get going. The main problem is software, which we had to specially write, although some versions of Ulrich's Z38XX work with it quite well. (The problem is subtle differences in the SCPI syntax). Yes, the backplane carries all

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-01-25 Thread Steve Rooke
Murray, 2010/1/19 Murray Greenman murray.green...@rakon.com: There are at least 20 Z3815A units in ZL Amateur hands that I know of, and many more in VK. They were 'rescued' by a friend in VK, and have been distributed with firmware and manual that we've worked out for them. As far as I can

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A vs Z3816A [Z3805A]

2010-01-18 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi John, 2010/1/18 John Allen j...@pcsupportsolutions.com: 2.it come with the 16 channels GPS module (made by furuno  in japan ) Hp I've tried in vein to find information about the Furuno GPS, even contacting the manufacturers directly :-( But My Z3805A come with Two 10mhz and Two 1PPS Two

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A vs Z3816A [Z3805A]

2010-01-18 Thread Hal Murray
It actually has two RS232 connections, one tat seems to function similar to the Z3801A/Z3816A and another which I have no clue as to what it does? Some GPS units have a second serial port. I think the idea was that you could feed them data similar to what they now get from WAAS. There

[time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-01-18 Thread Murray Greenman
Steve, There are at least 20 Z3815A units in ZL Amateur hands that I know of, and many more in VK. They were 'rescued' by a friend in VK, and have been distributed with firmware and manual that we've worked out for them. As far as I can make out, they were not used in cellular systems here.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-01-18 Thread paul swed
That makes a lot of sense for T1/E1 applications across a country. I know VK had put in an early extensive glass phone network. Wonder if these were for smaller offices? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Murray Greenman murray.green...@rakon.com wrote: Steve, There are at least 20 Z3815A

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
paul swed wrote: That makes a lot of sense for T1/E1 applications across a country. I know VK had put in an early extensive glass phone network. Wonder if these were for smaller offices? Well, providing T1/E1 output with SSM codes makes sense for a number of telecom equipments so it is a

[time-nuts] Z3815A vs Z3816A

2010-01-17 Thread Murray Greenman
Alberto, The Z3815A is certainly less common - except down here in VK/ZL. I have one, and can try to answer your questions. The oscillator used in the Z3815A is generally the HP E1938A, although mine is a more recent Symmetricom version with a Milliren 260 OCXO adaptation. Power supply is 20 -

[time-nuts] Z3815a

2009-05-31 Thread Stuart Williams
I recently aquired one of these units Z3815a and am searching for any software and/or manual that must be avaliable somewhere. Stu _ Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more

[time-nuts] Z3815A connectors

2007-10-25 Thread jsternmd
K1JOS Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:30:34 +1000 From: Morris Odell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] Z3815A connectors To: time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi all, Thanks

[time-nuts] Z3815A connectors

2007-10-23 Thread Morris Odell
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi all, Thanks to a friend's investigative skills, I have found the maker of the unusual coaxial connector block on the HP Z3815A GPSDO. See:

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-08 Thread Rob Kimberley
May 2007 04:27 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where? I was thinking that myself, but this connector has four rows, and the VME only has three. (There's also P1 and P2). VXI is similar to VME. Having just worked

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-08 Thread Rob Kimberley
Correction - sold to Telecom Solutions before they became Symmetricom. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: 08 May 2007 08:58 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

[time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Murray Greenman
TFers, Further to Kit's post a week or two back, we've started to make some ground regarding understanding and using these excellent little GPSDO units. I have working DOS software, and they also work OK with SATSTAT. I have also sussed the GPS module comms and written a display application for

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Murray Greenman wrote: TFers, Further to Kit's post a week or two back, we've started to make some ground regarding understanding and using these excellent little GPSDO units. I have working DOS software, and they also work OK with SATSTAT. I have also sussed the GPS module comms and written

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Jason Rabel
I'm just silently following along. I have never heard of that model before you guys mentioned it. I too would like to see pictures. Jason TFers, Further to Kit's post a week or two back, we've started to make some ground regarding understanding and using these excellent little GPSDO units.

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Bill Jones, K8CU
Gents, I first noticed the Z3815A in January 2004 on eBay. I captured some pictures then. Moments ago I posted them here: http://www.realhamradio.com/z3815/z3815.gif http://www.realhamradio.com/z3815/z3815-front.gif http://www.realhamradio.com/z3815/z3815-rear.gif Bill, K8CU

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Didier Juges
Murray Greenman wrote: TFers, Further to Kit's post a week or two back, we've started to make some ground regarding understanding and using these excellent little GPSDO units. I have working DOS software, and they also work OK with SATSTAT. I have also sussed the GPS module comms and written

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Jones, K8CU Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where? Gents, I first noticed the Z3815A in January 2004 on eBay. I captured some pictures then. Moments ago

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Didier Juges
This connector looks like a VME backplane connector. They cost a fortune. Didier KO4BB Bill Hawkins wrote: The pictures show why the 3815 never became popular. Matching that monstrous connector would be a problem. The project is impractical without the matching card file. And what is that

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Daun Yeagley
: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where? This connector looks like a VME backplane connector. They cost a fortune. Didier KO4BB Bill Hawkins wrote: The pictures show why the 3815 never became popular. Matching that monstrous connector would be a problem. The project is impractical without

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Hal Murray
I was thinking that myself, but this connector has four rows, and the VME only has three. (There's also P1 and P2). VXI is similar to VME. Having just worked on a project with VME cards, I know that those connectors are quite expensive. These are similar but unique, so I can't imagine

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Gents, I first noticed the Z3815A in January 2004 on eBay. I captured some pictures then. ... Bill, K8CU Bill, That eBay unit was missing its E1938A OCXO; that's why it looks odd. For photos of a Z3815A with its mounted oscillator see: http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/z3815a/ For more