[time-nuts] Jackson Labs' Web-Site

2013-09-03 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello All, A little off topic maybe - is it just me or is the Jackson-Labs.com site down/offline? http://www.jackson-labs.com http://jackson-labs.com Regards, John Westmoreland ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Jackson Labs' Web-Site

2013-09-03 Thread Brian Inglis
nslookup fails and whois shows their domain registration expired yesterday On 2013-09-03 01:42, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello All, A little off topic maybe - is it just me or is the Jackson-Labs.com site down/offline? http://www.jackson-labs.com http://jackson-labs.com Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] Jackson Labs' Web-Site

2013-09-03 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Brian, I hope Said knows. I hope someone doesn't rip off their domain. Regards, John W. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: nslookup fails and whois shows their domain registration expired yesterday On 2013-09-03 01:42, John C.

Re: [time-nuts] New Member

2013-09-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The power input is fully isolated from the case. That's typical telecom practice. In addition it's run through a full wave bridge, so polarity (and wiring errors) are not as big a deal. You *could* run one off of +/- 12 volts. Anything between about 22 volts and 56 volts will run the unit.

[time-nuts] NTBW50AA Power supply

2013-09-03 Thread quartz55
Well, reading the spec sheet, it says -48VDC (-40Vdc min, -60Vdc max) at 2.8A for warm up and .6 during run time 350mv ripple, OR +24Vdc (20Vdc min, 30Vdc max) at 3.57A for warm up and 1.03A run 240mv p-p ripple. I'm assuming that after the bridge there's some sort of switcher that feeds the

[time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
It is very rare to see courts deal with time precisions less than minutes, but it seems to have happened in this case: (from: www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a1128-12.pdf) Best stopped his truck, saw the severity of the injuries, and called 911. The time of the 911 call was

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread paul swed
Hi Bill I guess technology moved along. I think of the mix type of syn like genrad made 1164 maybe. Son of a guns to keep working and I think they are noisey. Granted in the day they were not bad for what they were doing. You could emulate much in todays technology. But I think cost becomes an

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 7:07 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: It is very rare to see courts deal with time precisions less than minutes, but it seems to have happened in this case: Interesting (and of course, this case has been in the news recently).. In this case, all the messages were presumably handled by

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/2/13 7:50 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Why do we hardly ever talk about synthesizers - those boxes that turn 10 MHz into other frequencies? We do.. there's a fair amount of talk about boxes like the PTS synthesizers. And there's been talk about 866x series synths, and perhaps the 3325,

Re: [time-nuts] NTBW50AA Power supply

2013-09-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The application for all these boxes is cell tower infrastructure. Some of the world likes the old style 48 volt power (like the old ATT) and some like 24 volt power. The spec sheet is written so that either the 24 volt guys or the 48 volt guys will be happy with the part. I don't know of

Re: [time-nuts] NTBW50AA Power supply

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Berger
I have a Nortel /Trimble 45000 which appears to be the bare board that is is in the NTBW50AA and I have been running it for several months now off of the power cube for an old printer that is rated for 30VDC, it is just rectified and filtered, the output from the cube is not regulated.The

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Mike S
On 9/3/2013 10:56 AM, Jim Lux wrote: In this case, all the messages were presumably handled by the same carrier, so the issue of skew in timestamps is negligible; they're all presumably running off the same clock. But not necessarily the same time. For instance, some cell systems run on GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Jackson Labs' Web-Site

2013-09-03 Thread Said Jackson
Hi guys, Thanks for the heads up, all should be well now. The auto-renew did not work because we moved and they had an old CC address. Domains that expire stay locked for 36+ days to the old owner, so no risk there.. This brings up a good point, we have had an open req for a software engineer

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Alan Melia
I remember a lecture by an officer of the (London) Met Police about how tracable time was essential to demolishing the defence of wrong clock in accidents involving the illegal use of mobile phones when moving and even parking meter tickets. They had to argue why the cell time was more right

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5225f8af.60...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: In this case, all the messages were presumably handled by the same carrier, so the issue of skew in timestamps is negligible; Anything but. The text-messages are likely stamped by the SS7-message-gateway and the 911 call by the countys

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Tim Shoppa
You can find (for better or worse) NTSB analysis of various recorder timestamps relative to cell phone timestamp. http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/summary/RAR1001.html 6 In this report, all times associated with the sending or receiving of calls and text messages are from Verizon records. In

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
Nowhere does the opinion mention if the timestamps were taken on the same clock or if the two clocks were synchronized. PHK, Correct. This is an age-old problem, whether its minutes or nanoseconds. Time-stamps are inherently relative to a local oscillator's time and rate offset, and affected

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/03/2013 11:47 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Nowhere does the opinion mention if the timestamps were taken on the same clock or if the two clocks were synchronized. PHK, Correct. This is an age-old problem, whether its minutes or nanoseconds. Time-stamps are inherently relative to a local

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
The one mix and match synth I've not got working is my HP 5100B/5110B. It came to me for the price of about 15 gallons of gas, and day on the road. Was stored in a unheated shop for at least two decades, if not three. Why have one ? .. Goes with the GR1161, 1162, (No 1164 or 68 yet), PTS 160,

[time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-03 Thread John Seamons
Somewhat off-topic but it might help someone out: I've had a tough time finding, and using, files on the net containing raw GPS signal samples to be used with the various software-only (or software-mostly) GPS receivers out there. I finally got a file of data that works and have have posted it

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/04/2013 12:19 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Yeah, the question is even if you have a legal support for what correct time or even traceable time actually is or means. I know countries that does not even legally accept UTC. It could be better, way better. Cheers, Magnus Still, imagine

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, Did you ever reset that thing to the correct time?  =) Bob From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute

Re: [time-nuts] Jackson Labs' Web-Site

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 10:20 AM, Said Jackson wrote: Hi guys, Thanks for the heads up, all should be well now. The auto-renew did not work because we moved and they had an old CC address. Domains that expire stay locked for 36+ days to the old owner, so no risk there.. This brings up a good point, we

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread J. L. Trantham
There was a recent, fairly long, 'conversation' about the 3325A and resurrecting it from a failed EPROM (and other problems, I think) that ultimately was resolved by replacing the four Synertek 32K EPROM's with two MCM68766 64K EPROM's. From what I have been told, it was a simple matter of

Re: [time-nuts] Jackson Labs' Web-Site

2013-09-03 Thread Said Jackson
Jim, It must have been the 223ps and 32 part per trillion spike at the end of the plot: http://www.jackson-labs.com/images/gpsstat.htm :) Sent From iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 16:22, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 9/3/13 10:20 AM, Said Jackson wrote: Hi guys, Thanks for the heads

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread paul swed
Pete A shame we did not meet a few years ago I had 2 1164s. Both working and cranky. Often thought about using modern technology per decade. Anyhow you could have been the proud owner of both of them for that magical box we send back and forth. As it was I darnear gave them a way for a song at a

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread paul swed
Joe On the 3325 I will also bet they had to change a jumper next to each socket. HP was quite good about that. I just did sort of teh same fix on my HP54100d that simply forgot. Lucky for me after 3 years of hunting someone finally put a good set on Diddiers site. Regards Paul. On Tue, Sep 3,

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
Who among you has volunteered to do the research for this? I don't have a camera in my cell phone, and I avoid market research masquerading as insecure social networks. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- Tom Van Baak said, For extra credit, further photos can be sent each hour for hours

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 11:21 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 5225f8af.60...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: In this case, all the messages were presumably handled by the same carrier, so the issue of skew in timestamps is negligible; Anything but. The text-messages are likely stamped by the

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 2:47 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Nowhere does the opinion mention if the timestamps were taken on the same clock or if the two clocks were synchronized. PHK, Correct. This is an age-old problem, whether its minutes or nanoseconds. Time-stamps are inherently relative to a local

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Joseph Gwinn
Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 110, Issue 13 On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:52:17 -0400, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 00:27:18 +0200 From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Martin A Flynn
Re the PSAP timekeeping Requirement: See NENA 04-002, Traceable UTC Source, Master Clock Specification http://www.nena.org/resource/collection/6EE32917-37BD-4FA0-838C-026931F702A6/NENA_04-002-v4_PSAP_Master_Clock.pdf On 9/3/2013 7:59 PM, Jim Lux wrote: I was assuming (with no real basis, I

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread ken hartman
This precisely why I stopped wearing a watch years ago Stranger: What time is it? Me: When? Stranger: What 'when'? - now of course! Me: Now - where? - Now you? or Now me? (Hint ~ 3 nsec dt) and so forth and so on. better a watch don't have - no questions On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Tom

[time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
I'm looking for an easy way to get current lat lon, when you've got a GPS-18 hooked up for NTP. That is, the GPS receiver is there doing it's NTP thing, so presumably it knows where it is. If NTP is decoding the GPRMC message, it has the lat/lon in it, so how can I get that info out (in a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 5:35 PM, Jim Lux wrote: I'm looking for an easy way to get current lat lon, when you've got a GPS-18 hooked up for NTP. That is, the GPS receiver is there doing it's NTP thing, so presumably it knows where it is. If NTP is decoding the GPRMC message, it has the lat/lon in it, so how

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread J. L. Trantham
Paul, Actually, I don't know about the jumper issue. I think it worked with the jumpers 'as they were'. The thread was on the HP/Agilent group. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, September

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Tom Miller
- Original Message - From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I'm looking for an easy way to get current lat lon, when you've got a GPS-18 hooked up for NTP. That is, the GPS receiver is there doing it's NTP thing, so presumably it knows where it is. If NTP is decoding the GPRMC

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Bob Stewart
One very direct way is to find some software to sniff the com port where the GPS receiver is.  I'm a Linux guy, so I can't help you on that one. Bob - AE6RV From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Brian Alsop
How about a serial port spy/monitor program. There are some free ones like: http://www.serial-port-monitor.com/ Brian On 9/4/2013 01:30, Bob Stewart wrote: One very direct way is to find some software to sniff the com port where the GPS receiver is. I'm a Linux guy, so I can't help you on

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread brent evers
Wouldn't turning off ntp drive it nuts? At the risk of throwing out the bone head answer and assuming this isn't going on your next space craft, you could just split the GPS serial (my quick google showed the 18 to be the serial unit vs usb) signal and run a copy to another comm port.. Yeah -

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
Ah the 8660's Image 22 8660A's in two racks, was an fun tax payer, paid project :-) We where never told what the master clock was. Have S/N suffix 0009 in the garage. For you time nuts, a side hobby should be frequency nuts. How to produce the cleanest synth'ed signal but be able to change it

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 6:47 PM, brent evers wrote: Wouldn't turning off ntp drive it nuts? At the risk of throwing out the bone head answer and assuming this isn't going on your next space craft, you could just split the GPS serial (my quick google showed the 18 to be the serial unit vs usb) signal and run

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/3/13 7:14 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: Ah the 8660's Image 22 8660A's in two racks, was an fun tax payer, paid project :-) We where never told what the master clock was. Have S/N suffix 0009 in the garage. For you time nuts, a side hobby should be frequency nuts. How to produce the

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-03 Thread Don Latham
I have four PTS synthesizers. They're the bees knees... fixed up an Arduino interface to control 3 of them. The fourth is a special that I got through careless ebay picture and text analysis; good for some parts. Don Jim Lux On 9/3/13 7:14 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: Ah the 8660's Image 22

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-03 Thread Brian Inglis
This question might be more appropriate for the NTP list at questi...@lists.ntp.org. Assuming you are using GPS 18 NMEA output and NMEA driver 20, set the statsdir either using the startup command line option -s or the conf command statsdir, as shown below, and enable clockstats: appends the

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Does it help if we both have GPS? Both have cesium(s) in the back seat? Since the GPS communicates over Radio Frequencies, please ensure it is capable of hands-free operation while you are operating the vehicle. Next,