Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?

2013-10-30 Thread Tom Knox
John the problem is the NIST does not endorse one brand vs another. They go to great lengths to stay neutral. But if knowledge of the products used sheds light on the research it is not a usually a problem. I would say an educated guess the 6 and 8 channel receivers were oncores, and the

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I believe that Jim is more or less right. There seems to be an agreement not to name names. I’m sure it’s partly to keep everybody happy when the paper is presented. It also does relate to some sort of rules and regs. Bob On Oct 30, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a *lot* of SMT OCXO’s out there. A J lead part is SMT, but identical to it’s through hole counterpart. It will mount pretty much same / same…. Bob On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:18 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if I

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Graham / KE9H
John: All SMT OCXO's will either have a recommended PCB footprint in the spec sheet or will refer you to a recommended footprint in another document. Some don't care about a ground plane under the part, some require it with no crossing signals, some require an open thermal hole underneath the

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?

2013-10-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, They have learned the hard way that they can't do that easily. They can, if they add the necessary mentioning of vendor X and their product Y does in no way means an endorsement. I've seen presentations starting with a non-endorsement statement so that they can then say Oh, this is the boxes

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?

2013-10-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/30/13 3:46 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, They have learned the hard way that they can't do that easily. They can, if they add the necessary mentioning of vendor X and their product Y does in no way means an endorsement. I've seen presentations starting with a non-endorsement statement

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone Know What The Models Were In This NIST Paper?

2013-10-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/31/2013 12:14 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 10/30/13 3:46 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, They have learned the hard way that they can't do that easily. They can, if they add the necessary mentioning of vendor X and their product Y does in no way means an endorsement. I've seen presentations

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Graham and Time Nuts, (thanks for the answers.) I have another question - I am looking at a part from MTI. I wanted to use one of their 3.3V parts. They are telling me to use the 12V part because the 3.3V part can have an issue with ground loops due to the higher current requirements at that

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Consider that microvolts matter on the EFC. Unless you have a separate return for the oven current it’s going to be tough to keep everything separate. One might ask “why no separate return”. Well when you design one in, and then go look at people’s layouts - you might as well not have

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Bob, OK - that makes sense. If you follow good analog/digital layout rules then this may not be a problem. But your point about the EFC sensitivity is well taken. But, that is always a problem. Yes, do a lot of people violate good analog/digital layout rules, especially on the ground planes -

[time-nuts] GPSDO choices

2013-10-30 Thread quartz55
Is this JL LC_XO at around $300 going to supress the used Trimble/Zwhatever market price? I hope so. I think I would have put out the $ for this one rather than a 10 or more year old used piece of equipment. I still may do it. I just need to justify it somehow. Dave N3DT

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-10-30 Thread quartz55
I've been living with this Nortel unit for over a month now and moved the antenna all over the place, plus made a different antenna and nothing seems to change as far as the Osc ppt/div. So I'm giving up and just going to install the antenna where it seems to get the best signal strength. I

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO choices

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Dave, I have an LC_XO and a GPSDO, both from Jackson Labs. There are more than just a few of us also that are a part of the OpenHPSDR effort that have evaluated the units (GPSDO) for over 1 year now (I have a project that is a bit overdue...but that is another story...) But, I haven't seen one

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You may have a good layout on your board, but they have to get the current to that pin / pad somehow. In all likelihood the amps of current through the pad it’s self are going to cause issues. Also remember that the ground is likely an RF return as well. Multiple rules and layout issues all

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO choices

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Jackson Labs part has been around for a while. It seems to have no impact at all on the auction market prices for GPSDO’s. They seem to simply be driven by supply and demand for this or that very specific box. Even the availability of the NTBW parts at $135 has had no noticeable impact

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Graham / KE9H
John: Look at the ppm (or however they express it) as to the sensitivity of the frequency stability of the OCXO relative to Voltage input. Say the oven power drops from 3 watts to 1 Watt as the oven comes up to temperature. At 3 Volts, relative to 12 Volts, for a given resistance, it is four

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Graham, Good points - yes, I have this part currently in the design: TPS75833KTTT (LDO from TI) - putting another one down (just) for the OCXO isn't a problem. And a nice 12V rail isn't a problem either since this is for a radio with a nice 12V source. Could I boost the 3.3V rail to 12V or