Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 11 Jul 2015 03:28, "GandalfG8--- via time-nuts" wrote: > > This is a reply to the topic "Loran-C reception in the UK" with specific > emphasis on the Stanford Research FS700. > Points to note. > > All three of my units seem to have the Option 01 oscillator fitted, > although only one state

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <10c4f9.7d4eacfb.42d19...@aol.com>, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts write s: >All three of my units seem to have the Option 01 oscillator fitted, >although only one states this on the option label, I belive option 01 doesn't mean "has an OCXO" but rather "has a better OCXO" --

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Iain Young
On 10/07/15 21:46, ken hartman wrote: from: http://gpsworld.com/eloran-progresses-toward-gps-back-up-role-in-u-s-europe/ “Both Norway and France have declared an intention to cease Loran transmissions at the end of 2015. Moreover, France intends to dismantle its Loran infrastructure in 2016. A

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Iain Young
On 10/07/15 22:39, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: This is a reply to the topic "Loran-C reception in the UK" with specific emphasis on the Stanford Research FS700. Apologies for starting a fresh topic but I'm still not able to take emails from the list due to incompatibility problems with AOL

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Iain I was also expecting a separate chain and GRI, but yes, 63710 seems to be all there is. Had me scratching my head for a while but for timing purposes at least it's just "business as usual":-) Those extra stations provide the localised corrections that are then transmitted via th

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Poul-Henning I agree that option 01 is stated to just mean a "better" oscillator, and I was a bit confused by what I found, but my second and third units, neither marked as option 01, have exactly the same oscillator fitted, according to the SRS label on the oscillator, as my first unit

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Björn
I think Denmark will also cease operation of their one station in line with Norway and France.  What is the plan for Germany and the UK - not enough stations for a full chain? New  controlling station - since Lessay leaves? --      Björn Originalmeddelande Från: ken hartman

[time-nuts] Isolation and insertion loss of Minicircuits ZFSC-16-3 and ZFSC-16-3 16-way splitters @ 10 MHz

2015-07-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Some time ago I mentioned I'd bought a couple of Minicircuits 16-way power splitters with the intention of making a 10 MHz distribution amplifier by amplifying 10 MHz from a GPS receiver and then splitting it 16 ways. Some had some concerns about that method, but I'd already bought the splitters. I

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <12d5cf.69a88993.42d22...@aol.com>, gandal...@aol.com writes: >Another possibility of course is that the first unit was incorrectly >marked and none of them have the option 01 oscillator:-) I wouldn't trust selected OCXO's to be marked systematically in that case. -- Poul

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi > On Jul 11, 2015, at 1:02 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) > wrote: > > On 11 Jul 2015 03:28, "GandalfG8--- via time-nuts" > wrote: >> >> This is a reply to the topic "Loran-C reception in the UK" with specific >> emphasis on the Stanford Research FS700. > >> Points to not

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , ken hartman writes: >the European Radio Navigation Plan having twice been drafted >but never published. The view seems to bee that the introduction of Galileo >will achieve resilient PNT, which it will not.” The reason the ERNP wasn't published, was that it concluded that 4

[time-nuts] Any other useful purpose for Austron 2100F or SRS FS700 receivers in US

2015-07-11 Thread James Robbins
Does anyone know of any other genuinely useful purpose to which the Austron 2100F, SRS FS700, etc receivers can be put in the US since the demise of Loran? Inquiring minds would like to know. Jim Robbins, N1JR ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@f

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One thing to be careful about: GPS runs at a level that is (depending on the measure) > 10 to > 1000X better than Loran. Both ultimately trace back to a national standard over very long time periods. Eventually that is the limit rather than the accuracy of the transmission medium. Having

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread paul swed
Nigel I have a FS700 and would like a copy of the software. I enjoyed the use of LORAN C when it existed and even in some of the test runs. The runs have been pretty quite or I have missed them. But LORAN C made a really nice alternate to GPS and I tended to use it as the absolute. I do here LORAN

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 07/11/2015 03:18 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , ken hartman writes: the European Radio Navigation Plan having twice been drafted but never published. The view seems to bee that the introduction of Galileo will achieve resilient PNT, which it will not.” The reason

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
The FS700 data sheet specifies the standard oscillator to be be an ovenised oscillator using an AT cut crystal, and the option 01 oscillator to be an ovenised oscillator using an SC cut crystal. The SC10 data sheet specifies it to be a "10MHz high stability oscillator using an SC cut crysta

Re: [time-nuts] Any other useful purpose for Austron 2100F or SRS FS700 receivers in US

2015-07-11 Thread paul swed
They can be useful as a comparator between two references as long as you have a LORAN C simulator to drive the system. I built up a unit 3 years ago may still be in the time-nuts archives. It was fairly simple to accomplish. I took the reference and drove the simulator. Then the simulator feeds the

Re: [time-nuts] Any other useful purpose for Austron 2100F or SRS FS700 receivers in US

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <264cf93f-7b18-4106-901a-0edfd93c1...@earthlink.net>, James Robbins writes: >Does anyone know of any other genuinely useful purpose to which >the Austron 2100F, SRS FS700, etc receivers can be put in the US >since the demise of Loran? Inquiring minds would like to know. The

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <55a13dab.2030...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >> The reason the ERNP wasn't published, was that it concluded that 40% of >> *all* benefits came from Loran-C, at a yearly cost only a fraction of >> a single Galileo launch vehicle. > >Someone should have dreame

Re: [time-nuts] Any other useful purpose for Austron 2100F or SRS FS700 receivers in US

2015-07-11 Thread Dan Rae
On 7/11/2015 8:14 AM, James Robbins wrote: Does anyone know of any other genuinely useful purpose to which the Austron 2100F, SRS FS700, etc receivers can be put in the US since the demise of Loran? Inquiring minds would like to know. Jim Robbins, N1JR Jim, I gave my Austron to a friend in th

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Björn
Did you check the jamming radius?  Originalmeddelande Från: Magnus Danielson Datum:2015-07-11 18:00 (GMT+01:00) Till: time-nuts@febo.com Kopia: mag...@rubidium.se Rubrik: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK Hi, On 07/11/2015 03:18 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > ---

Re: [time-nuts] Any other useful purpose for Austron 2100F or SRS FS700 receivers in US

2015-07-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One “use” - Hang on to them and see if the new incarnation of Loran takes hold in the US. Second use - Sell them off to the guys in Europe and China while they still have signals on the air …. Third - Drive them off some form of synthetic waveform out of a GPSDO. Bob > On Jul 11, 2015, a

Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Björn
Are not Excelis and UrsaNav doing test transmissions again? Originalmeddelande Från: paul swed Datum:2015-07-11 17:23 (GMT+01:00) Till: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Rubrik: Re: [time-nuts] Loran and SRS FS700 in the UK Nigel I have a FS700 and woul

Re: [time-nuts] Any other useful purpose for Austron 2100F or SRS FS700 receivers in US

2015-07-11 Thread D W
I saw in an article that there is an eLoran site online in NJ. Is that true? And if so, is there any backwards compatibility for the old Loran-C units? Dan > On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:14 AM, James Robbins wrote: > > Does anyone know of any other genuinely useful purpose to which the Austron > 21