Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message blu125-w32eb9626acf899c8949ffce...@phx.gbl, Mark Sims writes: Many failed electrolytic caps on PC motherboards and in PC power supplies can be traced to a case of industrial espionage gone wrong. [...] While this tale is true, the fact is that even without incompetence, electrolytics

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus, thanks for the nice comments! Regarding the case, yes, the form factor generally matches the TADD enclosure, but since that's a generic box we couldn't do much about the LEDs or the ARM switch. My thinking was that the LEDs could be mounted off-board if necessary, and I'll update the

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The code is available at http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/PIC_Code in both source and object form. The 03-2009 version is what is shipping on the current TADD-2s. The 04-2009 version is a slight update from Richard McCorkle that changes the way the ARM and SYNC LEDs work, and also allows selecting

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
John, John Ackermann N8UR skrev: Magnus, thanks for the nice comments! You are most welcome. Regarding the case, yes, the form factor generally matches the TADD enclosure, but since that's a generic box we couldn't do much about the LEDs or the ARM switch. My thinking was that the LEDs

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Didier
Tapr.org appears to be off the map this morning... Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:12 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Didier skrev: Tapr.org appears to be off the map this morning... Works great for me. Cheers, Magnus Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:12 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Batteries on aircraft

2009-05-23 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, There is a general exemption from the hazardous goods regulations for non-spillable batteries that are installed in equipment. Sealed Lead acids are also exempt if in the original packaging. There have been changes recently on the quantity of lithium in batteries aircraft. Unfortunately

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus Danielson said the following on 05/23/2009 07:45 AM: Since the TADD enclosure has two DB-9 cutouts, one nice option (which I haven't tried yet) would be to wire the LED, the 5/10 MHz jumper, and the ARM switch connections to a DB-9 and mount that in the enclosure, then mount the LEDs

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Worked for me earlier, and again just now... John Didier said the following on 05/23/2009 08:13 AM: Tapr.org appears to be off the map this morning... Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
John Ackermann N8UR skrev: Magnus Danielson said the following on 05/23/2009 07:45 AM: Since the TADD enclosure has two DB-9 cutouts, one nice option (which I haven't tried yet) would be to wire the LED, the 5/10 MHz jumper, and the ARM switch connections to a DB-9 and mount that in the

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread g4fre
I just got hit by this issue in my Dell GX270. Its the one i use for HPIB instruments/Heather. The video output disappeared. Doing a web search i found lots of posts on they used faulty capacitors. They didnt do a recall as it would lead to bad customer perception of Dells quality (they had

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
g4...@g4fre.com skrev: I just got hit by this issue in my Dell GX270. Its the one i use for HPIB instruments/Heather. The video output disappeared. Doing a web search i found lots of posts on they used faulty capacitors. They didnt do a recall as it would lead to bad customer perception of

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread John Miles
I just had a set of 3 paralleled electrolytics more or less explode on an nVidia video card. Some further poking around, however, revealed that they were damaged due to a drain-source short in the buck regulator they were supposed to filter. The three 5V caps ended up with 12V across them. So

[time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Connie Marshall
The heat sink on the back of my 5370B runs very hot. Can't touch it for more than a fraction of a second. Maybe some where around 140F. I assume this is not normal?? 73 Connie K5CM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Didier Juges
They all do that. Didier -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Connie Marshall Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:53 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] more 5370B The heat

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread Didier Juges
I think the influx of these models on eBay is because many of them now get out of maintenance contract and the businesses replace them. My GX280 has been turned on 24/7 (on a UPS) since I got it several years ago, and so far, nothing has exploded :) This one came out of maintenance contract last

Re: [time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Connie Marshall skrev: The heat sink on the back of my 5370B runs very hot. Can't touch it for more than a fraction of a second. Maybe some where around 140F. I assume this is not normal?? Sounds a little too hot (C would give me better indication). Check the regulated and unregulated

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Didier
Actually, www.tapr.org is not there, tapr.org is... Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Didier Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
www works here, but we've had some other similar reports so there may be some DNS strangeness. Thanks for letting me know, and I'll look into it. John Didier said the following on 05/23/2009 02:14 PM: Actually, www.tapr.org is not there, tapr.org is... Didier KO4BB -Original

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Didier, Didier skrev: Actually, www.tapr.org is not there, tapr.org is... But I see them both, and DNS gives me the same IP address. I think you need to look closer to home. It does not correlate to my experience and I am a far bit both in geographic distance, router-hops and ISP wise.

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread Didier Juges
They are both back here now. For a while, I could not even ping www.tapr.org, but tapr.org went fine, so it was not the browser. Just an Internet gremlin I am sure... I have been moving the laptop between two wireless routers this morning, but it does not normally do that, unless I did it at

[time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Mark Sims
I measured one of my units. Room temp is 23.5C, hottest spot on the heat sink is 58.5C. A rise of 35C over ambient. Your 140F temperature reading is, unfortunately, quite normal. I have considered adding a small fan to the heat sink. These numbers might just prompt me to get off my

Re: [time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Don Latham
I had a similar heat problem with another hp of the same vintage. i clamped another heatsink on with some cheap 1 in c-clamps. cooled it off pretty well. don Mark Sims I measured one of my units. Room temp is 23.5C, hottest spot on the heat sink is 58.5C. A rise of 35C over ambient. Your

Re: [time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Connie Marshall
Roger Roger I was thinking of doing the same thing. After noticing this yesterday, I already have a temporary fan positioned on the heat sink. It's not bad in the shack today, but on some days the temp approaches 89F (32C). It was around 82F (27.7C) when I made the measurment. This will

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread Robert Atkinson
I'm not sure if the espionage story is true. However there is a problem with electrolytics. the modern ones have got a lot smaller and run hotter due to incresed PSU switching frequencies. A detailed look at datasheets can be revealing. Many electrolytics have suprisingly short lifes quoted.

Re: [time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Connie Marshall
That would be a lot quiter than a fan may have to give that a try. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:48 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re:

[time-nuts] more 5370B

2009-05-23 Thread Mark Sims
Results from a quick test. A very quiet 12V, 150mA, 5 inch fan placed 2 inches from the heat sink dropped that 58C spot down to 40C. Not as much as I had expected. That hot spot is near the center of the outside fin of the heat sink. Those inner fins between the transistors are quite a

[time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread Mark Sims
The capacitor espionage story is quite true and well known to just about everybody in the computer industry. Google capacitor corporate espionage for a start. First hit is: http://www.burtonsys.com/bad_BP6/story1.html from IEEE Spectrum. More than one cap maker got the bad juice...

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually electrolytics)

2009-05-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 980094.92979...@web27105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com, Robert Atkinson write s: I'm not sure if the espionage story is true. It is: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/06/stolen_formula_torpedos_big_brand/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

[time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually capacitors)

2009-05-23 Thread Tom Clifton
The word we got from our Dell National Accounts rep was that there was a run of contaminated electrolyte affectring several capacitor manufactures. Gee, go figure QC issues in a country still painting toys with lead based paint... Any way, I recently purchased a pile of low ESR caps from

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually capacitors)

2009-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Tom Clifton skrev: The word we got from our Dell National Accounts rep was that there was a run of contaminated electrolyte affectring several capacitor manufactures. Gee, go figure QC issues in a country still painting toys with lead based paint... Any way, I recently purchased a pile of low

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually capacitors)

2009-05-23 Thread Stanley Reynolds
I've done the repair pulling the caps off the board leaving the leads which is what I solder too, not petty but no need to remove the motherboard. May need to clean up the leads if some aluminum foil is left behind. Also add hot glue for support under and around the new capacitor. Stanley

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually capacitors)

2009-05-23 Thread Mike S
At 07:38 PM 5/23/2009, Tom Clifton wrote... Turned out being a lot harder than I had anticipated as the internal ground planes on the Dell Motherboards made the old caps dogs to remove, and the new ones very hard to solder back in without cold joints. Get some Chipquik (