Re: [time-nuts] HQ 5370B manual available

2011-02-25 Thread Roberto Barrios
Hello, I've modified those two pages, could you check if they reflect the intended changes? http://www.rbarrios.com/manuals/5370B_page5-8_corrected.pdf http://www.rbarrios.com/manuals/5370B_page8-113_corrected.pdf If we are 100% sure they are now correct, I will replace the old ones with the

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
That's a bit of an open question since it depends on many things. So I realize this may be a bit too generic, but hey you said "any hints ;)". Simple example that I know to work in linux, and the same principle should work in windows. 1 - make i2c interface with parallel port + couple of re

Re: [time-nuts] HQ 5370B manual available

2011-02-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/26/11 01:53 AM, paul swed wrote: Thats interesting I had no idea that you might be able to put a better copy on the agilent site. Well, it would need Agilent's permission of course - someone there would need to agree to it, and someone put it on the web site. That is probably no easy tas

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread EB4APL
Hi, Since this thread is about a PTS repair, I think this is not too much OT. I need the manual for my PTS 040, I already have one for the 160 from Didier's site and while both models are similar end employ most the same modules, I would like to have the specific one for my model. According t

Re: [time-nuts] HQ 5370B manual available

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
Thats interesting I had no idea that you might be able to put a better copy on the agilent site. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:43 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > On 22 February 2011 12:17, John Miles wrote: > > Nice scan, thanks! Same edition as David Kirkby's earlier scan, but with > full-page foldouts.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5061

2011-02-25 Thread John Miles
Sorry, thought that was going off-list. The offer stands to anyone else who might have any -60109 parts they want to get rid of. :) -- john, KE5FX > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]On > Behalf Of John Miles > Sent: Friday, February

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5061

2011-02-25 Thread John Miles
Hi, Bert -- If there's a 10811-60109 OCXO, I'd be interested in buying that from you in the $100 neighborhood. -- john > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]On > Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:54 PM > To

[time-nuts] HP 5061

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
Cleaning out an attic that I had not touched in ten years I found some HP 5061A manuals, HP 10811 manuals, AC and DC power cords, plastic feet and most the parts of a unit. If there is interest please contact me directly. Bert Kehren ___ time-nuts mai

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Obviously I'd have to be in the neighborhood (as in well under a KM away). To be bothered by a fast system, I'd also have to be there already. With a poor system, I'd be bothered further out and could track it further out. I would put a good RF filter in front of the detector to get rid of

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
That price differential is definitely a big reason why I don't use that sort of adapter board. A $5 chip in a $12 adapter is just crazy. I could be spending that same money on trying out this or that nifty part... But like Chris pointed out, for BGA it would make sense. No way am I going to try ha

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Far easier to simply replace them with modern tantalum parts than to try to find something else. Modern parts are likely to run a very long time. Bob On Feb 25, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Dave Mallery wrote: > thanks everyone. > > i found a cache of tantalum caps in the output amp module. also,

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Heh, I could care less about typos. I just honestly didn't understand what you meant. The best matches I could come up with was "bubble counter" and "doubler". And since a bubble counter made no sense in this context and a doubler did, I thought I'd go with that guess and run with it. So now with

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: [armyradios] OT: Photos of New Zealand Earthquake

2011-02-25 Thread Hal Murray
> From another list. The pics are really something! > http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/02/earthquake-in-new-zealand/100013/ Thanks. There is a good shot of the Timeball near the end: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/nzq022211/s_n51_02231709.jpg The Timeball Station is seen to

Re: [time-nuts] HQ 5370B manual available

2011-02-25 Thread David Kirkby
On 22 February 2011 12:17, John Miles wrote: > Nice scan, thanks!  Same edition as David Kirkby's earlier scan, but with > full-page foldouts.  This one goes on the iPad for sure. > > -- john, KE5FX The 5370B manual on the Agilent web site is a downsampled version of the one I produced. From wha

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
That depends on the phase of the moon and your religion. Sometimes low-ESR aluminum; other times good Tantalums (150D or CS-13s) No two people agree on this issue. -John == > thanks everyone. > > i found a cache of tantalum caps in the output amp module. also, there > isn't any o

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread Dave Mallery
thanks everyone. i found a cache of tantalum caps in the output amp module. also, there isn't any output any more. struggling to get all those @#@ screws out so i can get to them. should i find new tantalum caps, or is there a better substitute? dave On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, wrote:

[time-nuts] Fwd: [armyradios] OT: Photos of New Zealand Earthquake

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
>From another list. The pics are really something! -John = Original Message Subject: [armyradios] OT: Photos of New Zealand earthquake From:"David McLendon" Date:Fri, February 25, 2011 3:16 pm To: "armyradio

Re: [time-nuts] AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L

2011-02-25 Thread Dave M
From: John Raymond Dore Subject: [time-nuts] AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L Has anyone got an instruction manual or service manual? I have the Phase Meter and now need some information. John GW3XPK johnrd...@gmail.com -

Re: [time-nuts] Nerd facts - 45 years since Allan variance article

2011-02-25 Thread jimlux
On 2/25/11 1:28 PM, paul swed wrote: seems the first document doesn't work. Any other way to get it? Just tried it, and it worked for me... you could probably find it by googling the title or the document number (NASA SP-80) it's probably also in NTRS (NASA Technical Report Server) alth

Re: [time-nuts] HQ 5370B manual available

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
Thank you for the scan Roberto On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Roberto Barrios > write > s: > > Beautiful job Roberto! > > Thanks a lot! > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP sin

Re: [time-nuts] Nerd facts - 45 years since Allan variance article

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
seems the first document doesn't work. Any other way to get it? On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Magnus Danielson < mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > Fellow time-nuts, > > I thought that a small blip on the screen to alert you on historical > context was appropriate. > > In 1964 NASA and IEEE

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread ehydra
Hm. Concerning the CS2x00. Is there a PC software available to program it via i2c? I mean without this IDT monster software. Any hint is welcome! - Henry ewkeh...@aol.com schrieb: Thanks for the info Fred The problem is the package. Looking at the Cirrus Logic CS 2300-CP and use a bub

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
Boy even though they are $12 for larger packages I would need them. It is so easy to create solder bridges. I can get away with direct connections to 14 pin or less and honestly have to say about 10. It seems crazy because the micro as an example might be $5. But thats the reality. regards Paul On

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Tijd Dingen wrote: > Hello Chris, > > No I didn't know SchmartBoards, thanks for the tip. > > Although maybe I am missing something... I just checked their site, and > watched the videos, but I couldn't find anything I'd spend $12 on. > > When you say that it is "

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
English and fingers are not perfect and I did not check before I send it sorry about that Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/25/2011 10:50:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tijddin...@yahoo.com writes: Pardon my ignorance, but what is a bubbler? Is that time-nut speak for a frequency doubler

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread David C. Partridge
If you want RF sewer - look at ethernet over power (e.g. Devolo) - it's horrid. Regards, David Partridge ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the inst

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Hello Chris, No I didn't know SchmartBoards, thanks for the tip. Although maybe I am missing something... I just checked their site, and watched the videos, but I couldn't find anything I'd spend $12 on. When you say that it is "expensive at $12 each, but you need only one", do you mean that as

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Of course. A simple field strength meter comes to mind. But how are you going to know that you want to stand at my mailbox and look? And with a direct sequence system, the power is going to be smeared so thin over a wide band that you really won't have anything to see, other than a bulk reading

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Joe Leikhim
Moving beyond part 97 and ahead to some new potentially authorized applications. The FCC has mandated a narrowbanding initiative for land mobile frequencies from 150-512 MHz. This frees up 12.5 KHz bandwidth channels BETWEEN the current incumbent allocations. A frequency hopped technique could

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 25/02/2011 17:13:01 GMT Standard Time, dave.mall...@gmail.com writes: i tried another more robust 5v supply, but that goes to 4.5v and ng output. i removed each of the plug-in decades, one at a time, looking for the guilty one. no joy. i also removed the left rear mod

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are putting out > 20 watts and I'm close enough to see your mailbox, I'll detect you with some pretty simple stuff. Bob On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: > I guess that is why I mentioned something about doing it competently. > > The FCC so seriously winged the metho

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Chuck Harris
I guess that is why I mentioned something about doing it competently. The FCC so seriously winged the methods usable by hams as to render them effectively useless. A nice direct sequence spread spectrum system with a couple of MHz spread would be well below the background noise of any narrow ban

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What ever it is, it's getting *HOT* while it does it. You should just about be able to see smoke off of it. A touch test (with the possibility of a burn) is the fast way to track this down. Bob On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:58 PM, paul swed wrote: > Thats my suggestion also you have a cap somepl

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
Thats my suggestion also you have a cap someplace giving you trouble. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:15 PM, J. Forster wrote: > Look for a shorted Tantalum decoupling capacitor on the DC power line(s). > > -John > > = > > > > hi > > > > i recently bought a pts160. when first turned on,

Re: [time-nuts] AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
AFAIK there are no groups for that unit. AD-YU is pretty much an orphan, although the meters are fairly common. Try BAMA and Dave at ArtekMedia. FWIW, -John === > AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L > Has anyone got an instruction manual or service manual? > I have t

[time-nuts] AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L

2011-02-25 Thread John Raymond Dore
AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L Has anyone got an instruction manual or service manual? I have the Phase Meter and now need some information. John GW3XPK johnrd...@gmail.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
Look for a shorted Tantalum decoupling capacitor on the DC power line(s). -John = > hi > > i recently bought a pts160. when first turned on, the 5v was pulled quite > low: < 3v. after an hour or so, the condition cured, the 5v = 5.1v and > the > output matched the decades. > then,

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Chris Albertson
> assumes you don't mind QFN packages. You know, the  little buggers with 0.5 > mm pitch and no  pins. Have you seen "SchmartBoards" I think with one of those you could solder QFM with eyes closed, literally. Hard to describe how they work but the board is milled so the chip fits in sort of like

[time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread Dave Mallery
hi i recently bought a pts160. when first turned on, the 5v was pulled quite low: < 3v. after an hour or so, the condition cured, the 5v = 5.1v and the output matched the decades. then, it died again. so i know there is a unit worth saving. i tried another more robust 5v supply, but that goes

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Remember that this started out running a sequence that was 127 hops long. With something that short, it's pretty likely you will be rude to somebody. Even if you are running a massive hop rate, I can likely walk around and track you down within the average neighborhood. A diode detector behind

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NZ Christchurch member

2011-02-25 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The Richter method of analyzing earthquakes is based on what can be learned from a simple seismometer. For example by looking at the time difference between the P wave and the main shaking you can determine how far away the epicenter is located. The Richter number depends on the peak of

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NZ Christchurch member

2011-02-25 Thread Bob Bownes
The last 'modern' seismometers I worked with (as an undergrad in the early 80's) were all three axis laser interferometry based. I'm sure they've gotten a bit better since then. Not only could we pick up a shuttle launch from 1,400 miles away, we could pick up frat parties from across town on the

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NZ Christchurch member

2011-02-25 Thread jimlux
On 2/25/11 7:55 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message, "Wil liam H. Fite" writes: Me: You're saying that the Richter is a poor predictor of surface disruption? For damage assement you really need a vector-version of richter, vertical does a lot more damage than horizontal on average. Y

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread jimlux
On 2/25/11 7:13 AM, scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking as a ham, if this is tried you will have hams complaining and DF'ing the offending signal. Speaking as a ham, and as someone who used to build (and attempt to detect and jam) systems like this for a living.. The odds that a OO would se

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NZ Christchurch member

2011-02-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Wil liam H. Fite" writes: >Me: You're saying that the Richter is a poor predictor of surface >disruption? For damage assement you really need a vector-version of richter, vertical does a lot more damage than horizontal on average. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeu

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586A/B/C entirely referenced to 10MHz: A solution

2011-02-25 Thread paul swed
OK here is the place I get myself in trouble. Because I have really not gone through the math though I certainly did play with the total LSB to USB diff of 3700 Hz etc. Simple thought. Why not preset counters down that loop and reset at zero as an example. Preload them with the usb/lsb number grant

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NZ Christchurch member

2011-02-25 Thread William H. Fite
For meteorologists and geologists, the Richter scale has a carefully defined meaning and is used only for purposes where that definition fits. This per a friend of mine who does seismic stuff for NOAA: Him: The Richter number means something very specific to us and something quite different to th

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a bubbler? Is that time-nut speak for a frequency doubler of some sort? Guessing at a doubler since you mention needing a 100 MHz output, and the CS2300 only has a 6-75 MHz output range. Just thinking aloud here... IF (big if ;) you are considering doubling, y

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Scott, Speaking as a ham, I can tell you that no one will even notice that you are there. Frequency hop SS signals, when done correctly, only land for a few milliseconds at seemingly random frequencies within their band. Because their PN sequence makes them appear random, there aren't any id

Re: [time-nuts] PN sequence generation using GPS

2011-02-25 Thread scmcgrath
Speaking as a ham, if this is tried you will have hams complaining and DF'ing the offending signal. Chuck, you are correct in that no one but the hams care but the reason behind this is that policing the ham bands has been delegated to the hams and specifically certified 'Official Observers

[time-nuts] Low-cost GPS for NTP server (from Sure Electronics)

2011-02-25 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, Just to let you know I got the Sure GPS module: http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=99 working as a source for an NTP server. I added a couple of wire links to get the PPS signal flowing down the DCD line of the 9-pin RS-232 connector. It seems to be a very sensitive unit, a

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
I need to multiply by 10 and 20, 670-2 can not multiply by 20.Thanks. Bert In a message dated 2/25/2011 8:03:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tijddin...@yahoo.com writes: Well, I know Geraldo Lino de Campos on this list is using an ICS670-03 for this purpose. For me personally that part

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
Thanks for the input, do not forget the total system cost has to be $200, the latest version has a simple VCO but I would like to eliminate component selection, may stay with the present design, but the Cirrus CS 2300 followed by a bubbler may be the answer. Maybe there is something like the

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread jimlux
On 2/25/11 3:05 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: As part of the D/M project the counter uses a 100 MHz VCO with an AD 4001 PLL. To simplify further I would like to consider a very simple VCXO, easily available components, no tuning, any ideas out there. For once phase noise is of no concern. Bert K

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bert, first of all I'm really happy you're digging into this -- it's been on my list of "projects for someday" for a long time! One thing working in your favor is that the actual BFO frequency is way down at audio; the BFO crystals at around 2 MHz are divided by 1000 before hitting the mixer.

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Well, I know Geraldo Lino de Campos on this list is using an ICS670-03 for this purpose. For me personally that part is too jittery by about a decade, but for your purpose it might just be the right compromise. Certainly has a friendlier package. datasheet: http://www.idt.com/products/

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
Thanks for the info Fred The problem is the package. Looking at the Cirrus Logic CS 2300-CP and use a bubbler. Since I start out with 5 or 10 MHz there must be something out there that can be soldered. In a message dated 2/25/2011 7:17:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tijddin...@yahoo.com w

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread ehydra
A circuit design? Look for 96MHz variants. Many out there. Example: http://www.qsl.net/dk1ag/96mhz_e.pdf - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info ewkeh...@aol.com schrieb: As part of the D/M project the counter uses a 100 MHz VCO with an AD 4001 PLL. To simplify further I would like to consider a very

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread Tijd Dingen
Hello Bert, That rationale sounds suspiciously familiar. The quest for an ever simpler VCO, that is. At the expense of some additional phase noise compared to VCXO+PLL, you could use an ADF4360-9. It is readily available at for example digikey, currently for $6.26. For my fpga based counter pro

[time-nuts] Vectron 229-5657 pin out

2011-02-25 Thread n1jez
Anyone have the pin out on a Vectron 229-5657 oscillator? I have several in the 100 MHz range. Tnx! 73, Mike, N1JEZ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-

[time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread EWKehren
As part of the D/M project the counter uses a 100 MHz VCO with an AD 4001 PLL. To simplify further I would like to consider a very simple VCXO, easily available components, no tuning, any ideas out there. For once phase noise is of no concern. Bert Kehren _

Re: [time-nuts] Earthquake meets time ball

2011-02-25 Thread Steve Rooke
Thanks and perhaps your right :) At least time seems to ticking by OK even if I no longer have anything locked to it. Cheers, Steve On 25/02/2011, Rob Kimberley wrote: > Glad to hear you are safe Steve - Time Nuts wouldn't quite be the same > without you! > Good luck down there mate. > > Rob >