Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project?

2012-03-16 Thread michael batchelor
So, I just recently started trying to resurrect a Spectracom 8160A reference oscillator. I'm assuming this is proposed WWVB change going to bite me in the butt on this project as well. Not sure how it differs from units like the HP 117, but my understanding is that most of the old VLF receivers

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB - Response to Question posed to John Lowe

2012-03-16 Thread Peter Monta
> So I gather from this they are working on something, but no details were > given. One possibility for a workaround to keep the classical receivers happy is to leave some residual carrier. Instead of a 180-degree phase shift, make it 90 or 120, so that the signal can be regarded as the sum of a

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread gary
I lost track of who wrote this, but why is it assume a ferrite rod has non-linear phase. [Group delay error I presume). Now I assume this presumes the rod is used in a LC circuit, but if the Q is not high, the phase linearity won't necessarily be bad. Basically I'd like to hear more from whome

Re: [time-nuts] Cisco ADP-30RB Power Supply Use with TBolt

2012-03-16 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Sam Reaves wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a couple of these supplies that I plan to use with the TBolt. From > what I can gather > > from searches on the internet the RO pin between the two grounds on the > power connector is a remote turn on > which is enabled by

[time-nuts] Cisco ADP-30RB Power Supply Use with TBolt

2012-03-16 Thread Sam Reaves
Hello all, I have a couple of these supplies that I plan to use with the TBolt. From what I can gather from searches on the internet the RO pin between the two grounds on the power connector is a remote turn on which is enabled by grounding this pin. Would someone please confirm that for me? Th

[time-nuts] WWVB - Response to Question posed to John Lowe

2012-03-16 Thread Sam Reaves
I sent the following to John Lowe of the NIST regarding the WWVB change proposals. His comments follow. Dear Sir, I just read your whitepaper on the new modulation scheme proposed for WWVB. It seems that you and the other authors of this paper have addressed the concerns of people that use WWVB

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rix Seacord wrote: > Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. > In the rare event I use my credit card, Citibank supplies a program call > called virtual account numbers. > It creates for you a one time only credit card number. > On-line is not wher

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Marek Peca
Hello, thank you for your oppinion. On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , Marek Peca writes: Yes, it should work on any USB audio capable OS, ie. Linux, Windows, MacOS etc. I would like to recommend against this approach for a number of reasons. First, yes, while you

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, so it was not a coup de theatre... On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Tom Knox wrote: > > It reminds me a bit of the release of eclipse observations relating to > Einsteins theory of relativity. > > Thomas Knox > > > > > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:29:05 +0100 > > From: azelio.bori...@screen.it

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project?

2012-03-16 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 14 Mar, 2012, at 18:08 , Brooke Clarke wrote: > The WWB paper "New Improved System for WWVB Broadcast" given at the 43rd PTTI > November 2011 is at: http://jks.com/wwvb.pdf > > Part of the processing gain comes directly from the BPSK modulation and that > amounts to a little over 10 dB impr

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Tom Knox
It reminds me a bit of the release of eclipse observations relating to Einsteins theory of relativity. Thomas Knox > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:29:05 +0100 > From: azelio.bori...@screen.it > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light > > Well, I agree.

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Javier Herrero
Hello, Javier Serrano can confirm it for sure, but I think that the article with the OPERA results is based on data from 2009 to 2011, not from data taken the previous day :) Regards, Javier El 16/03/2012 23:29, Azelio Boriani escribió: Well, I agree. Then Why the OPERA results were avail

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Azelio Boriani
Well, I agree. Then Why the OPERA results were available at once? Why nobody had pointed out that there was the ICARUS data processing in progress? On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Javier Herrero wrote: > The paper is this one, dated yesterday: > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.3433.

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Javier Herrero
The paper is this one, dated yesterday: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.3433.pdf Regards, Javier El 16/03/2012 21:50, Javier Herrero escribió: I think that this is the article: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.3763.pdf It is not strange that the results are available now. These experim

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Javier Herrero
I think that this is the article: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.3763.pdf It is not strange that the results are available now. These experiments are run during months, and generates a large quantity of data. Best regards, Javier El 16/03/2012 21:19, Azelio Boriani escribió: OK, that is, are the

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, that is, are they telling us that for an experiment concluded in 9/2011 the results are available today? On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > Announcement from CERN: > > ICARUS experiment at Gran Sasso laboratory reports new measurement of > neutrino time of flight consistent

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Marvin Gozum
This is the only reason I still have a Citibank card and so far, it hasn't been cracked. I've used it nearly 10 years. I can buy fearlessly from anyone, knowing 2 things about this number: It can be used just once It expires in 1 month http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_payment_number Ala

[time-nuts] Neutrinos not faster than light

2012-03-16 Thread Hal Murray
Announcement from CERN: ICARUS experiment at Gran Sasso laboratory reports new measurement of neutrino time of flight consistent with the speed of light http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR19.11E.html -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spa

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi With a reasonable sized data set, I suspect we would learn some things about the phase shift process. The better we can model the process, the better we can anticipate it and correct for it in the code. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@

Re: [time-nuts] Xtendwave

2012-03-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/16/12 5:35 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: I was of the understanding that SBIR's results are in the public domain that however, doesn't mean that a patented receiver that uses the SBIR results cannot be had. You too can use the results of this SBIR and patent your receiver's special features.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Tom Van Baak
Bob, To address that diurnal phase issue, for fun, we could set up a cloud-based time-nuts WWVB common view network. With a couple of sites in each state, imagine the wonderful daily or hourly animated plots that would result. /tvb Hi My main concern on short averages is the relatively long p

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Bob Camp" writes: >My main concern on short averages is the relatively long path from WWVB to >most of the target audience. The day / night phase shift is fairly >significant over a long path. So do I relative to DCF77 which I used for my experiments. The point about having 8 buffe

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My main concern on short averages is the relatively long path from WWVB to most of the target audience. The day / night phase shift is fairly significant over a long path. That's something I would want to process out. Since it (hopefully) is predictable, it's just another thing to feed into the

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <34c510bb3c6449b89ac4f7fbc20f4...@vectron.com>, "Bob Camp" writes: >One assumption is that you will indeed be capturing / averaging for several >days. I'd include some sort of model for sunrise / sunset shifts (might be >just "ignore for the next hour"). Some of my best results had 8

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Rix Seacord
Luckily, I use PayPal for most of my online purchases. In the rare event I use my credit card, Citibank supplies a program call called virtual account numbers. It creates for you a one time only credit card number. This guarantees no one can grab your number and use it. From what I've seen its a

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One assumption is that you will indeed be capturing / averaging for several days. I'd include some sort of model for sunrise / sunset shifts (might be just "ignore for the next hour"). Another assumption is that your local reference is close enough and stable enough to make a multi day average

Re: [time-nuts] broadband MPX signal stereo

2012-03-16 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Dave Brown wrote: > EMU 0202 or 2020? I know what an 0202 is but what is a 2020? > It was a typo, you guessed correctly. But it seem this is not the interface you want and it may even be discontinued. I'm happy with my Presonus interface box but it is Firewir

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on low power CPU/Linux?

2012-03-16 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
I use this on Linux: cd ~klotz/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files"/Heather wine heather.exe /IP=localhost:45000 /TW=250 I use Ralph Smith's tboltd so heather connects to a TCP port, but you can also just give a COM port to connect on the line above. The /TW=250 gives reasonable performance without

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. > An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. > > If you bought something on eBay there is no way the seller gets your CC info. You can

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Graham / KE9H
All: To get hit with charges on your credit card from either China or Africa, you do not have to have made purchase with your card there. There are some groups in both those areas that are doing "brute force" search attacks on credit card numbers. They generate small charges, typically less t

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Raj
I second that Jim, Block your card quick! I am sure you would have already. At 16-03-2012, you wrote: > Paypal doesn't send through your CC info so there is likely no > correlation. Your CC info could have been captured anywhere, or even > hacked from an online site. The charges could have

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Paypal doesn't send through your CC info so there is likely no correlation. Your CC info could have been captured anywhere, or even hacked from an online site. The charges could have been anywhere, in any country, including the USA. Over the years I have had card numbers stolen an

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread jim s
I paypal'ed what I did, and have only seen the direct charges to my paypal for the chinese purchases. I don't know if credit card works thru the ebay stuff I've bought, or the other sites when you use paypal / credit card option. Obviously if you go via credit card checkout, all bets are off.

Re: [time-nuts] broadband MPX signal stereo

2012-03-16 Thread ehydra
Demian Martin schrieb: I have tested a number of soundcards and while the EMU 2020 has issues (serious jitter and noise from the USB interface) I can recommend the ESI Juli@ as having flat response and good SNR up to 90 KHz. It's a PCI card, no USB. I have measured the performance of FM MPX adapt

Re: [time-nuts] broadband MPX signal stereo

2012-03-16 Thread ehydra
I own a EMU0202 and when I use it with my laptop running on battery I can see in spectrum lab FFT the DCF77 at 77.5KHz and the GB time-code transmitter at 60KHz easily. The antenna is 1 meter of wire. Not bad for 100 bucks. I'm around 450km from DCF77 and maybe 800km from GB transmitter. If I

Re: [time-nuts] Xtendwave

2012-03-16 Thread ehydra
At least in the USA one can "patent pending" even the neigboor's cat. It looks in Germany we go now the same way. About 100 years ago one has to be shown a functional device for patenting it. I think this was a really good idea. - Henry Chuck Harris schrieb: I was of the understanding that

Re: [time-nuts] broadband MPX signal stereo

2012-03-16 Thread ehydra
Azelio Boriani schrieb: Yes, there is people who have what in the past was expensive test equipment and now can be bought by 1/10 of the original price. The problem is that you need someone who can record 2 seconds of a signal that is slightly beyond the actual sound card sampling capability. A s

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20120316141539.d8305feaa33c99781667e...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali w rites: >Hmm.. i someday have to look for a good introdcution into this stuff >that doesn't rely on a lot of math. All the books i have rely at least >on Laplace.. often on z-transformation as well. And that math isn't

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:08:47 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > p...@phk.freebsd.dk said: > >> Hmm... do you mean you want to store all samples of an hour and then > >> avarage over it? > > > That would be the ideal way to do it, since it would make one heck of a comb > > filter and eliminate pretty m

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Bob Camp" writes: >Could you generate a "lead" and a "lag" estimate of the signal (in addition >to your "center") and integrate against each of them on the fly? If so you >would need a *lot* less memory. I seem to recall you tried something like >this on the one of the Loran receiver

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Could you generate a "lead" and a "lag" estimate of the signal (in addition to your "center") and integrate against each of them on the fly? If so you would need a *lot* less memory. I seem to recall you tried something like this on the one of the Loran receivers. Bob -Original Message--

Re: [time-nuts] Xtendwave

2012-03-16 Thread Chuck Harris
I was of the understanding that SBIR's results are in the public domain that however, doesn't mean that a patented receiver that uses the SBIR results cannot be had. You too can use the results of this SBIR and patent your receiver's special features. -Chuck Harris Cliff Sojourner wrote: O

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Raj
Did you buy anything directly from China with your card ? Raj, vu2zap At 16-03-2012, you wrote: >Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. >An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. > >FYI. Vigilance advised. > >-- >Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R

[time-nuts] Chinese credit card fraud

2012-03-16 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Early this week I noticed two strange charges to my credit card account. An investigation indicates these charges were made in China. FYI. Vigilance advised. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Tech

Re: [time-nuts] broadband MPX signal stereo

2012-03-16 Thread Azelio Boriani
Interesting the ESI sound card, I'll check where to buy one. Useful to sample VLF time and frequency signals directly. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Dave Brown wrote: > EMU 0202 or 2020? I know what an 0202 is but what is a 2020? > DaveB,NZ > > - Original Message - From: "Demian Marti

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Hal Murray
p...@phk.freebsd.dk said: >> Hmm... do you mean you want to store all samples of an hour and then >> avarage over it? > That would be the ideal way to do it, since it would make one heck of a comb > filter and eliminate pretty much anything else. That only works if your reference clock is stabl

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20120316085256.9e25deaeee4f7f8617989...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali w rites: >Hmm... do you mean you want to store all samples of an hour and then >avarage over it? That would be the ideal way to do it, since it would make one heck of a comb filter and eliminate pretty much anything els

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin! On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:09:05 + "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > In message <20120315234624.a2da94430a247d235ca68...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali > writes: > >On the other hand, if you dont have to support an OS and work on the > >bare metal, you can get away with very little RAM. 128k is a

[time-nuts] WWVB phase plots

2012-03-16 Thread Peter Monta
Attached are some more renderings of John Seamons' WWVB data. This is what one might expect from a receiver that knows when the phase reversals happen and takes them out noiselessly---re-reversing the out-of-phase bursts to recover an approximation of the usual WWVB signal. The first plot shows t

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project?

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Chris Albertson writes: >But you are right in that using dttsp [...] GNU Radio If the objective here is time-nuttery, both of these are badly suited because they are built to extract the rapidly changing information, not for long averages of carrier phase. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project?

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Chris Albertson writes: >That would be big expensive filter. All you really need is the >average of the last N samples. Expensive ? 2kB of memory ? Not even close to expensive. > But with a 24b-t ADC you may not need AGC 16 bits has meant that I never needed AGC. -- Poul-Hen

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project?

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Azelio Boriani writes: >I'm interested in your circular averaging buffer: suppose 1K long, the 1st >sample goes into position 0, the 2nd into 1 ... the 1000th into 999 or, the >1st gets scaled and then summed with that already present in position 0 >then the result back in position

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Receiver Project? (fwd)

2012-03-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20120315234624.a2da94430a247d235ca68...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali w rites: >How good would that DAC need to be? Depends on the level of ambition ? >> 1-4MB RAM > >over a 256kB RAM it's get pretty thin if you want to stay in the uC >busines. Unless you want to use an ARM9 or better wi