Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

2015-06-08 Thread Nathaniel Bezanson
Hi Matt,
There are lots of options, and what's best for you will depend on what else 
comes across your bench. I'm a member of a hackerspace with all of these on the 
wall and more, so I have personal experience with all of the below:
I suspect this is the Radio Shack tool Brooke refers to, it's a solid performer 
and dirt cheap, but the jaws are too thick for some of the smaller stuff (JST's 
and the like):http://www.ebay.com/itm/291470824600
Slightly more expensive, but noticeably nicer, are these, all of which have 
appropriate nests for what you're doing, and the Engineer models range down to 
smaller stuff in case you work with JST connectors, 
etc:http://www.adafruit.com/search?q=crimperb=1
Towards the larger end, these start down at the size you're working with, and 
range way up to automotive-style terminals for ECU harnesses and stuff, these 
are what I personally reach for most of the 
time:http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/product_info.php/cPath/111_112_170/products_id/364
Also, George's suggestion of the AMP Service Tool is a solid choice if you can 
find one. $50 is a bit steep but it's worth keeping your eyes out at garage 
sales and pawn shops.
-Nate B-
George Dubovsky  wrote:
 Hi Matt,
 
 Any of the AMP Service Tools - I have the I and II - will work. Positions A
 and B (for the conductor and the insulation respectively) on Service Tool I
 or E and B on Service Tool II will work nicely. I suspect there are lots of
 other generic crimpers that will do the job as well. Heck, for just one
 connector, needle-nose pliers, a good magnifier, a soldering iron, and a
 dictionary of curse words will suffice... ;-)
 
 Good luck.
 
 73,
 
 geo - n4ua
 
 On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Matt Robert matt.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Guys,
 
  I am currently in the process of completing my Thunderbolt project and I
  need to find a suitable crimper to attach wires to the pins that go inside
  the power connector.
 
  The only reference I can find is on this page here (
  http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml) that talks about the official
  Molex tool which is scarily expensive, and the page also mentioned a
  Radioshack tool that I can't find any further details on.
 
  Can someone please point me in the right direction of a suitable crimper
  for the Molex 538-16-02-0103 pins.
 
  Cheers,
  Matt
  VK2LK
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Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-08 Thread David C. Partridge
I'm up for either ...  My thoughts are to try it out on a development board and 
if it works, maybe build a few for possible sale, and also release Gerbers and 
VHDL files.

Regards,
David Partridge 
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To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:23:40 +0100, David C. Partridge wrote:

 My reading so far of what's been said in this thread is that you might 
 get good results using a CPLD/FPGA as a divider but ... .
..
..
..
 Thanks again Dave

Is this going to be an open source project, or something you buy  ?

CFO

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[time-nuts] Spectracom 8195 position hold

2015-06-08 Thread Paul Davis
I'm wondering if any other Spectracom 8195 users out there can shed some light 
on this. According to the manual, the specs are related to operating in 
'position hold'. However, there seems to be no way to set position hold mode, 
or tell if it's in effect. (Well, there seems to be a RS485 command/response 
that has a bit flag for position hold, but I've not setup a 485 adapter and 
written any scripts to check it yet.)  The unit has been running for some time 
so I don't think it's a matter of finishing a automatic survey. It could just 
be entered automatically, but it's far from clear in the manual. It may be that 
using the software commands is the only way to do this, but I don't know.

Also, any pointer to software for this unit would be appreciated.

Thanks!

-Paul
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[time-nuts] Electronically Disciplined Mechanical Pendulum

2015-06-08 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Greetings,


I just want to let those who are curious about disciplining a mechanical 
pendulum that I have pretty much wrapped up playing with a 1m-long pendulum, 
which I control with PIC micro firmware and try to mainain at a constant 
temperature. Accuracy for 20-second averaging is typically better than 1 ppm. I 
have documented my work here:

On my website ( http://ve2zaz.net/Pendulum_Ctl/Pendulum_Ctl.htm ),
On Youtube ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdGX4A8W88 )

Thanks,

Bert, VE2ZAZ
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Re: [time-nuts] Electronically Disciplined Mechanical Pendulum

2015-06-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Bert,

Thanks for posting that project. What a wonderful combination of electronic and 
mechanical timing, of design and measurement, of hardware and software, of PICs 
and Python.

One side experiment that would be interesting is to collect a couple of days of 
data using a fixed drive and then compare that with the same number of days 
using your adaptive FLL drive. The resulting phase or rate or ADEV plots would 
be amazing.

/tvb

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To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: [time-nuts] Electronically Disciplined Mechanical Pendulum


 Greetings,
 
 
 I just want to let those who are curious about disciplining a mechanical 
 pendulum that I have pretty much wrapped up playing with a 1m-long pendulum, 
 which I control with PIC micro firmware and try to mainain at a constant 
 temperature. Accuracy for 20-second averaging is typically better than 1 ppm. 
 I have documented my work here:
 
 On my website ( http://ve2zaz.net/Pendulum_Ctl/Pendulum_Ctl.htm ),
 On Youtube ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdGX4A8W88 )
 
 Thanks,
 
 Bert, VE2ZAZ

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Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 and the 1995 GPS issue

2015-06-08 Thread Gerhard Wittreich
I just received the Heol Design N024 Trimble ACE III clone to resolve the
week rollover problem we have been experiencing in the TS-2100's with the
original Trimble ACE III gps units.  Installation was very straight forward
taking about 5 minutes.  On a cold restart I had Tracking within 40
seconds with the correct date and time (Leap second issue also resolved)
and Locked with my new OCXO in ~20 minutes.  Once locked I did notice
something interesting but maybe not important.  The control voltage to the
oscillator (timing  util  tfp 0) went from a very consistent 0xba6f to a
0xbb02.  That's about 0.2% of scale.  I'll watch it over the next few days
to see where it settles in.

Gerhard R Wittreich, P.E.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Sean Gallagher s...@wetstonetech.com
wrote:

 Hey everyone,

 Just wanted to send this out.

 It is The documentation that Heol has sent me regarding the GPS
 replacement boards in the 2100. According to them so far they were able to
 correct the issues with some fancy firmware on their N024 board. He also
 told me they are going to support firmware updates up to 2035 in case more
 issues arise.

 He is sending me one of these new units and should arrive within the next
 2 weeks and I'll let you know if it works in my 2100's and my
 Datum/Symmetricom BC635pci cards.

 Respectfully,

 Sean Gallagher
 Malware Analyst
 571-340-3475

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Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-08 Thread cfo
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:27:26 +0100, David C. Partridge wrote:

 I'm up for either ...  My thoughts are to try it out on a development
 board and if it works, maybe build a few for possible sale, and also
 release Gerbers and VHDL files.
 
 Regards,
 David Partridge 

I have these cheap cards , that might be a nice start.

CPLD Altera EPM240 (make sure you get the blue board)
Ebay: 271520142479  

Fpga (2 onboard PLL's) older Cyclone2 , but prob ok.
Ebay: 400630255386


Programmer: 
Ebay: 200943750380

If they could be the heart of the system, then everybody could get 
started cheap.

I'm using Quartus2 on Linux (Mint17) , works ok.
But Modelsim needs some extra libs to function.


CFO

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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 Error 04

2015-06-08 Thread John Allen
Hello Matthias - I had this problem on my 5370B - it turned out that the fan 
wasn't running, which resulted in overheating.

I hope this helps.

Regards, John K1AE

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Subject: [time-nuts] HP5370 Error 04


Hello!
 
I´ve got a question to the 5370 experts on the list.
 
I just received my new (old...) HP5370a. It performed fine for abt. one hour, 
then it started to display error 04 which means PLL out of lock.
 
A look in the service manual revealed that there are several reasons for this. 
I checked the VCO voltage on both interpolator cards, and indeed, one of them 
is out of the specified -6V..-3V, it runs to the rail (-12V). Even if the error 
is not there, the voltage is at abt. -7 V, so I guess it´s just on the edge. 
The other card is fine.
 
Normally, I´d try the alignment procedure, but I´m missing the exotic HP pulse 
generator used for the alignment and I have no clue how I could easily 
substitute this one.
 
Did anyone encounter this problem before? Is there a cure for this problem 
known to the experts? Any hints are highly appreciated...
 
Thanks a lot,
 
Matthias, DK4YJ
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Re: [time-nuts] Performance of 74LVC series ICs

2015-06-08 Thread Dan Watson
I have something of a follow up question. How good is the isolation inside
these devices (74LVC, SOT-23 package) between gates?

Let's say I have a 20MHz TCXO. I want to square up the output signal and
divide by two. Easy, just a buffer or inverter and a flip flop. But looking
at the pinout of the 74LVC1G175 (D flip flop) it doesn't have a Q not
output. So now I need a second inverter to make it toggle. The 74LVC2G14
includes two schmitt inverters in the package, but will isolation inside
the device be good enough to use it for two separate functions at 20 and 10
MHz?

Just from a layout perspective using three devices instead of two would be
easier. However the thing will be battery powered, so I'd like to save the
power if possible.


Thanks

Dan

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Andy ai.egrps...@gmail.com wrote:

 The gates on that page

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electronic/trangate.html

 use bipolar transistors.  The 74LVC parts are CMOS.  There are various
 effects caused by that difference.

 And those examples have vastly inferior control over input switching
 levels, compared to just about any well made digital IC from the last half
 century.  (Funny to think that it has been half of a century!)

 2N type transistors might have switching delays upwards of 100 ns
 (depending on load), whereas the LVC parts switch in the 1-5 ns range.

On the other hand: A well designed discrete circuit can beat a general
 purpose integrated circuit in almost all performance measures.

 Some performance metrics would be hard to beat with even a well designed
 discrete circuit.  On-die capacitance and inductance tends to be much
 smaller than any discrete circuit can achieve.

 Andy
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Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8195 position hold

2015-06-08 Thread paul swed
As I remember
For rs422 receive plus to ground and rs232 to minus.
For rs422 xmit take the minus to the rs232 line.
This has to be a modern rs232 port that will work on 0-3V or greater.
As Hal says it works over 3-10 ft. May go further but it is a hack. the
price is right.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:

  but I've not setup a 485 adapter and written any scripts to check it yet

 The KS-24361 discussions pointed out that you can just wire things across
 if
 you pick the right polarity on the 485 side.  It works for me.  I wouldn't
 want to count on it for use with long cables, but it's quick worth a try
 for
 a one-off setup.


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Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8195 position hold

2015-06-08 Thread Hal Murray
 but I've not setup a 485 adapter and written any scripts to check it yet

The KS-24361 discussions pointed out that you can just wire things across if 
you pick the right polarity on the 485 side.  It works for me.  I wouldn't 
want to count on it for use with long cables, but it's quick worth a try for 
a one-off setup.


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[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Power Supply Suggestions

2015-06-08 Thread skipp Isaham via time-nuts
Hello fellow Time Nuts... 

I've obtained a Trimble Thunderbolt (from Ebay) and I'm in the process of 
searching out a practical power supply option. I've got the proper plug and 
pins already on order from Mouser. 

I've identified the Meanwell T-30B as a decent power supply. I like Meanwell 
power supply products quite a bit. 

Anyone have pro or con comments or alternative supply suggestions, else I 
go with the t-30b unless something else crosses my radar screen. 

Thank you in advance for your replies 

regards, 

skipp 

skipp025 at ya who period com 
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[time-nuts] Trimble 65256 OCXO info?

2015-06-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Does anyone have any information about the Trimble 65256 OCXO?  I bought one 
recently and hooked it up to 12V per the vendor.  (Yeah, I know.)  Although it 
worked, it set off such a stench: the usual electronics burning up, give you a 
sore throat smell.  So, I got a replacement and same thing.  For fun, I hooked 
it up to +5V.  It seems to work, it drives the counter, but I haven't measured 
the output waveform yet.  So, does anyone know whether these are +12V devices, 
+5V, or something else?  The VRef output was somewhere around +2.5V, IIRC.

Bob - AE6RV

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[time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

2015-06-08 Thread Matt Robert
Hi Guys,

I am currently in the process of completing my Thunderbolt project and I
need to find a suitable crimper to attach wires to the pins that go inside
the power connector.

The only reference I can find is on this page here (
http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml) that talks about the official
Molex tool which is scarily expensive, and the page also mentioned a
Radioshack tool that I can't find any further details on.

Can someone please point me in the right direction of a suitable crimper
for the Molex 538-16-02-0103 pins.

Cheers,
Matt
VK2LK
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

2015-06-08 Thread George Dubovsky
Hi Matt,

Any of the AMP Service Tools - I have the I and II - will work. Positions A
and B (for the conductor and the insulation respectively) on Service Tool I
or E and B on Service Tool II will work nicely. I suspect there are lots of
other generic crimpers that will do the job as well. Heck, for just one
connector, needle-nose pliers, a good magnifier, a soldering iron, and a
dictionary of curse words will suffice... ;-)

Good luck.

73,

geo - n4ua

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Matt Robert matt.rob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 I am currently in the process of completing my Thunderbolt project and I
 need to find a suitable crimper to attach wires to the pins that go inside
 the power connector.

 The only reference I can find is on this page here (
 http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml) that talks about the official
 Molex tool which is scarily expensive, and the page also mentioned a
 Radioshack tool that I can't find any further details on.

 Can someone please point me in the right direction of a suitable crimper
 for the Molex 538-16-02-0103 pins.

 Cheers,
 Matt
 VK2LK
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

2015-06-08 Thread George Dubovsky
I had not realized that those ubiquitous AMP crimpers of yore were now ebay
curiosities, but this is what I was referring to in my earlier e-mail:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amp-Engineer-Service-Tool-II-Crimper-/231586917342?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35eba7ebde


73,

geo - n4ua

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 7:44 AM, George Dubovsky n4ua...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Matt,

 Any of the AMP Service Tools - I have the I and II - will work. Positions
 A and B (for the conductor and the insulation respectively) on Service Tool
 I or E and B on Service Tool II will work nicely. I suspect there are lots
 of other generic crimpers that will do the job as well. Heck, for just
 one connector, needle-nose pliers, a good magnifier, a soldering iron, and
 a dictionary of curse words will suffice... ;-)

 Good luck.

 73,

 geo - n4ua

 On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Matt Robert matt.rob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 I am currently in the process of completing my Thunderbolt project and I
 need to find a suitable crimper to attach wires to the pins that go inside
 the power connector.

 The only reference I can find is on this page here (
 http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml) that talks about the official
 Molex tool which is scarily expensive, and the page also mentioned a
 Radioshack tool that I can't find any further details on.

 Can someone please point me in the right direction of a suitable crimper
 for the Molex 538-16-02-0103 pins.

 Cheers,
 Matt
 VK2LK
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Re: [time-nuts] Regenerative divider

2015-06-08 Thread timeok
Hi Magnus,

I have done this experience. You can find my project here:  

http://www.timeok.it/files/low_noise_regenerative_divider.pdf

An important goal was to have a  range as input level to be used with several 
source. 
When the oscillation are is engaged, the amplifier reaches immediately  the 
saturation and so the regenerative divider was unable to handle a level range 
as input signals, say from +6 to + 17dBm, as was my target. Wanting to avoid an 
AGC, I opted for a diode limiter who achieves a good compromise.
The harmonic Distortion is very low and there is some gain as you require.

Hope this can help you

Luciano




On Sun 07/06/15 22:36 , Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote:

 Fellow time-nuts,
 
 I want to tap into the practical knowledge relating to regenerative 
 dividers. What is the issues to consider in building one?
 
 It would seem logical that one would like to keep phase aligned up as 
 you go through the loop.
 
 There should be selection of the 1/2 frequency and there should be gain.
 
 What else?
 
 Cheers,
 Magnus
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[time-nuts] HP5370 Error 04

2015-06-08 Thread Matthias Jelen

Hello!
 
I´ve got a question to the 5370 experts on the list.
 
I just received my new (old...) HP5370a. It performed fine for abt. one hour, 
then it started to display error 04 which means PLL out of lock.
 
A look in the service manual revealed that there are several reasons for this. 
I checked the VCO voltage on both interpolator cards, and indeed, one of them 
is out of the specified -6V..-3V, it runs to the rail (-12V). Even if the error 
is not there, the voltage is at abt. -7 V, so I guess it´s just on the edge. 
The other card is fine.
 
Normally, I´d try the alignment procedure, but I´m missing the exotic HP pulse 
generator used for the alignment and I have no clue how I could easily 
substitute this one.
 
Did anyone encounter this problem before? Is there a cure for this problem 
known to the experts? Any hints are highly appreciated...
 
Thanks a lot,
 
Matthias, DK4YJ
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Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-08 Thread cfo
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:23:40 +0100, David C. Partridge wrote:

 My reading so far of what's been said in this thread is that you might
 get good results using a CPLD/FPGA as a divider but ... .
..
..
..
 Thanks again Dave

Is this going to be an open source project, or something you buy  ?

CFO

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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Feher
I forget the size of the pins on the Thunderbolt, but, I bought a crimper tool 
for Molex pins a while ago for a rather good price and really like it. This 
will crimp multiple gauge Molex pins and as I mentioned is very reasonably 
priced.. Shipping to Oz is another matter :).. 73 - Mike

http://www.powerwerx.com/search.asp?q=ct-oem 

Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc.
89 Arnold Blvd.
Howell, NJ, 07731
732-886-5960 office
908-902-3831 cell

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 6:29 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

Hi Guys,

I am currently in the process of completing my Thunderbolt project and I need 
to find a suitable crimper to attach wires to the pins that go inside the power 
connector.

The only reference I can find is on this page here (
http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml) that talks about the official Molex 
tool which is scarily expensive, and the page also mentioned a Radioshack tool 
that I can't find any further details on.

Can someone please point me in the right direction of a suitable crimper for 
the Molex 538-16-02-0103 pins.

Cheers,
Matt
VK2LK
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power connector crimper

2015-06-08 Thread Adrian Godwin
The PA-09 crimp tool will do a lot of smaller crimps, even the small JST
sizes. There's also a bigger one available.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261046260247?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_nkw%3D261046260247%26_rdc%3D1

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:53 PM, George Dubovsky n4ua...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had not realized that those ubiquitous AMP crimpers of yore were now ebay
 curiosities, but this is what I was referring to in my earlier e-mail:

 

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amp-Engineer-Service-Tool-II-Crimper-/231586917342?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35eba7ebde
 

 73,

 geo - n4ua

 On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 7:44 AM, George Dubovsky n4ua...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Matt,
 
  Any of the AMP Service Tools - I have the I and II - will work. Positions
  A and B (for the conductor and the insulation respectively) on Service
 Tool
  I or E and B on Service Tool II will work nicely. I suspect there are
 lots
  of other generic crimpers that will do the job as well. Heck, for just
  one connector, needle-nose pliers, a good magnifier, a soldering iron,
 and
  a dictionary of curse words will suffice... ;-)
 
  Good luck.
 
  73,
 
  geo - n4ua
 
  On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Matt Robert matt.rob...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Guys,
 
  I am currently in the process of completing my Thunderbolt project and I
  need to find a suitable crimper to attach wires to the pins that go
 inside
  the power connector.
 
  The only reference I can find is on this page here (
  http://www.prc68.com/I/ThunderBolt.shtml) that talks about the official
  Molex tool which is scarily expensive, and the page also mentioned a
  Radioshack tool that I can't find any further details on.
 
  Can someone please point me in the right direction of a suitable crimper
  for the Molex 538-16-02-0103 pins.
 
  Cheers,
  Matt
  VK2LK
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