Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Since I have met Charles in person a couple of times at his office in Austin and used their microwave multiplied golden low phase noise oscillators for a project and recommended Wenzel to others, I admit my bias in favor of his projects. I was going to comment earlier in this thread about the

Re: [time-nuts] GPScon running on Raspberry Pi 3b

hol...@hotmail.com said: > The PI does have a couple of logic level serial ports on the expansion > connector you can connect a level shifter two. One port is normally the > Linux serial console which you can configure to be a general purpose serial > port (I've never used them, but others

Re: [time-nuts] GPScon running on Raspberry Pi 3b

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Mark Sims wrote: > > The PI does have a couple of logic level serial ports on the expansion > connector you can connect a level shifter two. One port is normally the > Linux serial console which you can configure to be a general purpose

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Hi … but not a Cannon connector. If you get those inserts along with a few signal leads, they are up into the $50 to $200 a pair range. They also don’t do terribly well in vibration. Bob > On Jun 22, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Arnold Tibus wrote: > > Bob, > > look to this

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Hi: A few tips on Power Poles. 1. Super Flex wire works very well. It's typically made of of 44 AWG strands. For PCB mounting a single strand can be used for mechanical rigidity. 2. There's no rule that all the current has to be carried by a single terminal The M455-1 power supply uses

[time-nuts] GPScon running on Raspberry Pi 3b

Heather only requires TXD, RXD, and GND. If you want to use the temperature control feature RTS and DTR. Most Linux distros have decent USB serial port drivers built in. I tend to use no-name Chinese PL-2303 based USB dongles... because I have them. They have worked fine on all the Linuxy

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Bob, look to this spec. data from Amphenol found @ Mouser as example: Current Rating: power Contacts: 55 Amperes (per contact) Signal Contacts: 5 Amperes (per contact) Contact Resistance: Power Contacts: .25 milliohms max Signal Contacts: 20 milliohms max Insulation Resistance: 5000 Megohms

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi: The 45 Amp terminals come in two versions, one being " Hi Détente" p/n: 201G1H that is much stronger although I've never had a pull apart problem. -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Original Message Wes,

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

A good friend of mine, sadly of blessed memory, was a lead engineer for Grumman on the comm systems of the lunar lander. He spoke of small space-rated multi-pin connectors that cost upward of $500 each. On Thursday, June 22, 2017, Arnold Tibus wrote: > > Hello, > > I can

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

I hear what you are saying and basically agree with you. In my experience however phrases such as "25 pair amphenol connector" and "2 pin Deutsch connector" have a commonly accepted meaning in the industries I have worked in over the years. Putting these terms into Google brings up the

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Hi You can get and use PP’s at 30 to 50A in a 12V circuit without frying them or the cable they are attached to. Doing the same with a “Cannon” connector is not at all easy ….You can also bump up to the larger PP’s and get into a couple of hundred amps. Bob > On Jun 22, 2017, at 6:54 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] GPScon running on Raspberry Pi 3b

Mark, Are there any special requirements for using a USB to RS-232 adapter on the Pi? Any specific features for the RS-232 adapter to get all of the features for Lady Heather? Looking at eBay, it is not clear which adapter would be best. Some don't say anything about supported pins, other list

Re: [time-nuts] How to love your Power Poles.

One thing I love about them is that you can create odd geometries. All my ham gear, and generally anything I own that's 12V has APPs in the OC Races standard. All lead acid sources are also same. I could see using a different geometry for lithium batteries and the stuff that goes with them, and

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Hello, I can second Magnus and want to throw in some more details. Cannon, Deutsch, Bendix, Souriau, Matrix, Amphenol, etc. etc. are (big) companies manufacturing all kind of connectors and are n o t connector type designations! Important are the type numbers of the manufacturer or higher

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Keep in mind that there are a large variety of power pole connectors. I first encountered them in the cables and connectors used to recharge electric forklifts. Plenty big and can handle plenty of power. > On Jun 22, 2017, at 16:06, Chris Albertson wrote: > > I

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > > A really dumb idea was this guy, I heard this story secondhand. He used > A/C extension cords for speaker cables because they work well for that > purpose, but then someone plugged a speaker into a 120vac

Re: [time-nuts] How to love your Power Poles.

My AU$0.02 worth, evidently trading less than the Greenback right now... Coloured PP shells. Yup, I'd already seen this issue, I'm using PP's on traction driver packs (totally unrelated to this list, but run with me, they're DC), the input - "hot" - would be a *red* shell, and the output -

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

I think they call these "16mm aviation plugs" in the CNC machine tool world. They are common for connecting servo or stepper motors to their controllers. they have any number of poles from 2 to 6 or more and screw rings that secure them. Usually really good quality even from Chinese eBay

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Get the "real ones" not the knock-off clones. Better plastic and better precision molding. There are lots of cheap ones on eBay. HobbyKing has the best prices for authentic, higher quality ones. Still only 80 cents. On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Brent wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] How to love your Power Poles.

No, there are more problems. Being non-gendered that apply connections mistakes like connecting to power sources together. Could you imagine how bad it would be if all power connectors were not-gendered? then you could connect two wall AC mains outlet together. Kind of a problem if there were

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

There seem to be many variations in colloquial naming in different regions and industries. Part of the reason I prefer to deal with local vendors with a parts counter is to be able to more or less confirm that connectors match / mate properly prior to purchasing them. All the best. Mark

Re: [time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Hi, The second connect has been called "Cannon" and XLR, and is not generally recogniced as XLR, which is the product range name. Naming of the first connector as "Cannon" is at least for me and many others confusing. This is a good example how vendor name for a connector type is not a good

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

For what it's worth, I use PowerPoles extensively -- I use them for all my 12V distribution on ham gear as well as time-nuts stuff. One great advantage of the genderless design is that you can use extension cables, breakout boxes, and other tools to solve lots of problems. But they do lack

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

On 6/22/17 7:37 AM, Chris Caudle wrote: On Thu, June 22, 2017 7:40 am, Mike Seguin wrote: For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound industry. http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Neutrik make a variant specifically created for power connections instead of speaker

[time-nuts] Power connectors continued

Sorry if I have caused any un due confusion thru my perhaps incorrect use of the terms "cannon" and "XLR." The green connector with 4 separate female contacts is what I perhaps in correctly referred to as a "cannon" connector. The silver connector with 3 separate female contacts was what I

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Never seen the XT60. Thanks for the heads up - looks promising - and cheap. Brent On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > One of the problems of power poles is they are expensive. Not a > problem if you only need a few of them. I've been

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Having followed Time nuts for a bit, I guess I'll finally chime in. For the PPs, it's like all other things, knowing the goods and bads. I've been using PPs for years, starting with RC Warship Combat (Battleships that shoot and sink each other, so lots of interchangeable parts), and have seen

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

One of the problems of power poles is they are expensive. Not a problem if you only need a few of them. I've been buying DC connectors by the bag full as I've working on some battery powered mobile robots I robot does not need many but for every finish one you've build maybe four breadboard

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

These are the ones we use: AMP part # 206708-1 Standard Circular Connector PLUG 9 POSITION shell size 13 On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: > I believe the "AMP" connectors you are referring to are what I would call > a "Cannon" connector. A

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Good point and for hobby use (ie. Amateur radio, time nuts pursuits etc.) I can see this being a consideration. That being said in my prior day jobs where we had various solar panel, battery, charge controller, AC powered charger, load combinations etc.. as far as I can recall I never

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi, The ITT Cannon XLR range became known as Cannon-connector and XLR-connector, with the later as the long term name. Often the 3-pole XLR connector is being used, but many other exists, including different sizes of pins and shells. One should ba a bit careful to use the vendor name to

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

No one has brought up the issue of hermaphrodicity, so I will. Only PP's are hermaphroditic. Why does this matter? It matters in the case of a battery. A battery is both a power source and a power sink. In the PP system, you can make a 3 way connection between a power source, a power sink,

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

I believe the "AMP" connectors you are referring to are what I would call a "Cannon" connector. A good choice for that application IMHO. Mark Spencer m...@alignedsolutions.com > On Jun 22, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Bob Bownes wrote: > > Right Tool for the Job. > > I use barrel

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

This good information. Thanks Mark Spencer m...@alignedsolutions.com > On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Mike Seguin wrote: > > NL2 etc 40A > > They typically run about $3 per connector. I use them on high power Solid > State amps. (VHF and up) > > Mike > >> On

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

For amateur radio use I've never perceived power poles as offering enough of an advantage over most other power connectors to make me willing to change my other connectors for power poles. I do own some equipment that came with factory installed power pole connectors and I'm generally ok with

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi Chris, On 06/22/2017 04:37 PM, Chris Caudle wrote: On Thu, June 22, 2017 7:40 am, Mike Seguin wrote: For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound industry. http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Neutrik make a variant specifically created for power connections

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

On Thu, June 22, 2017 7:40 am, Mike Seguin wrote: > For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound > industry. > http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Neutrik make a variant specifically created for power connections instead of speaker connections. I think they are

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi, Not horribly expensive. Military circular stuff can really burn money for you. In that context, the Neutrik stuff is fairly cheap and for many purposes good enough. Cheers, Magnus On 06/22/2017 04:14 PM, Clint Jay wrote: Ooh, I forgot the Neutrik range, haven't used those for years.

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi, The Powerkon variant, which does not mate with Speakon, is what is good for AC, and found use in the medicine world, as it does not self-disconnect like IEC-outlets tend to do (yeah, I know about securing them and I've seen it missused many times but I made sure we have such securing on

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

NL2 etc 40A They typically run about $3 per connector. I use them on high power Solid State amps. (VHF and up) Mike On 6/22/2017 10:10 AM, Clay Autery wrote: OK I was wrong... Attila was right. IF we are going to talk alternatives and not simply bash PP cons, then I'm in. Always up

[time-nuts] How to love your DC Barrel connectors

I forgot to mention in my last post that Switchcraft offers barrel connectors with a screw collar which will mate with their female jacks and holds the connector fast to the chassis. No pulling out. Of course, you would need to change the plug on the power supply to that one and replace the

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Ooh, I forgot the Neutrik range, haven't used those for years. Excellent quality and not horrifically expensive On 22 Jun 2017 3:11 pm, "Clay Autery" wrote: > OK I was wrong... Attila was right. IF we are going to talk > alternatives and not simply bash PP cons, then

[time-nuts] How to love your Power Poles.

I’ve used Power Poles for some years. I have a proper crimper intended for PP. Color coding is very useful. I think the complaints about them are due to two things: (1) improper crimping of the contacts and (2) heavy gauge wire. The PP15/30/45 use the same plastic housing while changing

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

OK I was wrong... Attila was right. IF we are going to talk alternatives and not simply bash PP cons, then I'm in. Always up for a bit of over-engineering. The speakon connectors are interesting... Do you have a favorite series/model, Mike? __ Clay Autery, KY5G On

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Right Tool for the Job. I use barrel connectors when I _want_ the cord to come out when the unit falls off the shelf rather than dangle by the power cable. Locking Molex, or, far better, locking AMP connections when I want the unit to hang by the cord when necessary. We've gone to 9 pin

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi There are some really nice aircraft grade connectors that only cost about $250 each (as in $500 a pair) that take care of all sorts of issues :) For my money, Power Poles do just fine. Bob > On Jun 22, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > > Wes, Don, > > I am

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Heh, I was thinking just that when I typed it. They're almost inverted, the pegs are on the plug and the slots are on the socket, the ones I've seen aren't spiral slots, you have to fully engage the plug before you twist. I like PowerPoles, I like barrel connections, as with so many things it's

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Hi Tom, I said I use PPs but I don't really like them. If you use a pair as a cable splice then yes, you can tie them together, but in the specific case I referred to, the connection on Elecraft radios, the mate is sticking out the back of a panel and it's impossible to knot the cable or use

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound industry. http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Mike On 6/22/2017 8:29 AM, Clint Jay wrote: It is possible to get hold of locking barrel connectors, they insert as normal and a quarter twist fastens them in place. The

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Locking barrel connectors... Aren't those called BNCs? ;) In one of my other lives, I see Power Poles used in a very life critical application. They are used to connect pads to Automatic External Defibrillators. In that application, the two poles (15A, red & white) are glued together rather

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

It is possible to get hold of locking barrel connectors, they insert as normal and a quarter twist fastens them in place. The plugs and sockets are compatible with non locking equivalents too. Of course they're not great for applications that need a decent amount of current and other

[time-nuts] Power Pole connectors, was =>Re: Charles Wenzel GPSDO

I first ran into Power Pole connectors over 20 years ago. They were marketed by someone (I forget who) to the fledgling radio control electric plane/car/boat communities. The advertisements had some wording to the effect of "triple silver plated" and other techno babel. They worked well in

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Moin, On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:20:27 -0500 Clay Autery wrote: > TVB for the win! > > Can we please let it go here? > Do we REALLY need to have the same PPcon discussion yet again? Actually, I read it with interest. I am designing quite a bit of electronics. A lot of it is

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Whoops. Since Tom invited us to this off topic discussion, my two minor complaints about PowerPoles: 1: No make-first for ground. This is actually alleviated by other Anderson connector styles - in the 15A range they have a make first pin (which breaks the hermaphodicity). And in the big-boy

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Not sure how "idiot proof" became a desirable engineering goal. I've always favored allowing the natural self-cleaning of the gene pool to progress normally. We are protecting the species to death. __ Clay Autery, KY5G On 6/22/2017 3:07 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > They

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

TVB for the win! Can we please let it go here? Do we REALLY need to have the same PPcon discussion yet again? I vote no. __ Clay Autery, KY5G On 6/22/2017 2:19 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Wes, Don, > > I am quite surprised at the negative reaction to Anderson Power Pole >

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:19:33AM -0700, Tom Van Baak wrote: > What on earth are you doing with them that causes them to disconnect? > I mean, they are not meant for towing or lifting or rappelling. For > critical applications there is a plastic gizmo that keeps them mated; > or just use a

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

They aren't idiot proof though. I've seen them assembled backwards so that the contact occurred on the flat springs with predictable results. Bruce > > On 22 June 2017 at 19:19 Tom Van Baak wrote: > > Wes, Don, > > I am quite surprised at the negative

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

Wes, Don, I am quite surprised at the negative reaction to Anderson Power Pole connectors. I have found them the best DC connector out there. I have used them for a decade or two for all my DC feeds and have never had a problem: in my home lab, my car, even for my laptop charger. They are