Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert

2012-07-14 Thread Joseph Gray
Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com wrote: Joe, Cellphone frequencies are little affected by ionospheric effects, so I would be surprised if that was an effect though GPS is a different matter, or sat-phone. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com To: Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] Solar flare alert

2012-07-13 Thread Joseph Gray
I read about it yesterday. I suspect that we may already be seeing some radio interference. At work this afternoon, my cell phone lost signal entirely a few times. Although I don't get a great signal at work, it has never lost signal completely before. Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:50

[time-nuts] Leap second and Netflix

2012-07-01 Thread Joseph Gray
I cannot duplicate the minor Netflix stoppage I had yesterday at the leap second. Pausing Netflix before the top of the hour did not cause a problem. Neither did pausing it just before 00:00:00 UTC today. So, I assume that the glitch was caused by the leap second. Joe Gray W5JG

[time-nuts] OT: DC-DC switching regulators

2012-06-30 Thread Joseph Gray
You might want some extra filtering for some applications, but for lots of projects, this would be fine. I don't see how the Chinese sell this stuff so inexpensively, especially with free shipping. If you only want one, they cost about $2.00 each.

[time-nuts] Linux servers locking up because of pending leap second

2012-06-30 Thread Joseph Gray
http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today Wow, hard to believe that systems with recent kernels and updates still can't handle a leap second. It's not like no one knew this was coming. Joe Gray W5JG

Re: [time-nuts] OT: DC-DC switching regulators

2012-06-30 Thread Joseph Gray
That certainly helps :-) In any case, I ordered a few of these to use with various projects. Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Chinese sellers offer free shipping because their shipping cost is $0...   the Chinese government pays the shipping

[time-nuts] My leap second capture attempts

2012-06-30 Thread Joseph Gray
Success - Windows 7, running Meinberg NTP. Screen capture of two desktop widgets that I use. In the video, note that 00:00:00 UTC hangs for two seconds. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19599147/Leap%20Second%202012.m4v Failure - My Galaxy Tab Android tablet, running the GPS Test app. Not only did the

Re: [time-nuts] My leap second capture attempts

2012-06-30 Thread Joseph Gray
, or perhaps at midnight UTC. I'll have to experiment to see if I can reproduce it. Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Success - Windows 7, running Meinberg NTP. Screen capture of two desktop widgets that I use. In the video, note that 00:00:00 UTC hangs

[time-nuts] A book and something else

2012-06-25 Thread Joseph Gray
While looking for something else in the archives, I saw mention of the following book by a list member: Experimentation: An introduction to measurement theory and experiment design, By D.C. Baird. I found an online, limited preview and it seemed very readable, so I decided to purchase the book.

[time-nuts] 10 MHz low pass filter

2012-06-20 Thread Joseph Gray
I came across this filter design recently and thought I'd build a few. http://www.jwmeng.com/AppNote/AppNote003.html I was about to place a Mouser order when I came across someone selling filters, based on the above design.

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz low pass filter

2012-06-20 Thread Joseph Gray
filter. The output of most OCXO's already has a filter on it. Combining two filters (especially high order ones) without isolation between them is not a good idea. The resulting transfer function will not be what you expect it to be…. Bob On Jun 20, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: I

Re: [time-nuts] TimePod, cross-correlation fun and measurements

2012-06-17 Thread Joseph Gray
I also picked up my TimePod out of the hands of no other than John Miles himself. I was recently reading the manual for the TimePod. It looks quite nice. I'm curious as to the price. Or is this a case of if you have to ask, you can't afford one? Joe Gray W5JG

[time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-08 Thread Joseph Gray
Months ago, I ordered two FE-5680A units from nichgeek for my personal use. They work just fine. Recently, I ordered one for work from the same source. For the work unit, I ordered a small 15 VDC switcher and a 5 V DC-DC module from Jameco. Today, I wired it all up, using the same pinout as the

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-08 Thread Joseph Gray
Further information. I do get a Lock (low) indication on pin-3 and a PPS on pin-6. Nothing at all on pin-7. Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Months ago, I ordered two FE-5680A units from nichgeek for my personal use. They work just fine

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-08 Thread Joseph Gray
people in far away places drill holes and wire up SMA connectors to give them a 10 MHz output. If yours is one of those, the mod may not have been 100% effective. Maybe a loose wire …. Bob On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: Further information. I do get a Lock (low) indication

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-08 Thread Joseph Gray
different Rb's on the same card. Bob On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: This one has no SMA and hasn't been modded in any way that I can tell. It came on a cutoff circuit board, like the others. Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi

[time-nuts] FS: HP 5328A Universal Counter

2012-05-28 Thread Joseph Gray
Has Digital Voltmeter option and Universal Module option. No GPIB option. I was going to keep this for spare parts, but decided to clear out some stuff. The only testing I've done on it is to hook up my GPSDO to channel A. It reads 10,000.001 KHz from a cold start. Make me an offer. Joe Gray W5JG

[time-nuts] FS: Fluke 6060B Synthesized Signal Generator

2012-05-28 Thread Joseph Gray
I only post this on the list because I know some here would be interested. Covers 10 KHz to 1050 MHz, -127 to +13 dBm. Does AM and FM modulation of 400 Hz or 1000 Hz. Pics and specs here: http://www.testmart.com/sp.cfm/SIGSOU/FLU/6060B/1.html This unit works just fine, but the frequency and dB

Re: [time-nuts] Programming FE-5680A software‏ and wiring information.

2012-04-14 Thread Joseph Gray
Please tell us more about the program. What does it do that the currently available program doesn't do? I don't count the Chinese text as a bonus feature :-) Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Ken Kubick kenkub...@hotmail.com wrote: Here is more information on FE-5680 and a

Re: [time-nuts] Improving performance of a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-04 Thread Joseph Gray
You could cut up a military surplus RF blanket :-) For those who don't know, you cover the radome of an aircraft with this when the radar is transmitting, so you don't cook anyone nearby. I never knew how effective it was, but I didn't walk in front of the aircraft, just to be safe. Joe Gray W5JG

Re: [time-nuts] IOTECH 488 EPROM

2012-03-20 Thread Joseph Gray
Back to GPIB, in the dark ages, I used one of the ICS boxes which used a Z80 to emulate an old HP desktop computer. For me, it was heaven. I just translated the HP Basic to C. Rocky Mountain Basic is a way to describe HP Basic out of Colorado without getting sued. HP BASIC was quirky, but

[time-nuts] OT: calibration

2012-03-20 Thread Joseph Gray
Has anyone used these guys? I have this model DMM and need it calibrated. I can't afford to spend a fortune, as this is only for hobby use. http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=115pDo=DETAILHP%20-%20Agilent_3478A Joe Gray W5JG ___

Re: [time-nuts] IOTECH 488 EPROM

2012-03-19 Thread Joseph Gray
and can burn one for you as well and send it to you if needed.  I am in Northwest Florida. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:18 AM To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] IOTECH 488 EPROM

2012-03-19 Thread Joseph Gray
Joe I have never seen a NI controller as you describe. What I have seen is that NI seems to garner rabid interest even at flea markets. Paul, The NI GPIB-232CV-A is a simple serial-GPIB converter. The CT-A version is a full controller. I have used my CV-A with a terminal program just fine. As

[time-nuts] IOTECH 488 EPROM

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Gray
The text file accompanying the EPROM file on KO4BB's site mentions using this EPROM image with a NI controller. I have a NI GPIB-232CV-A. Can I use the image with this controller? If so, I assume that I then have the equivalent of an IOTECH controller? I partially disassembled my GPIB-232CV-A and

Re: [time-nuts] IOTECH 488 EPROM

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Gray
-10 chips and can burn one for you as well and send it to you if needed.  I am in Northwest Florida. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:18 AM To: Discussion of precise

[time-nuts] Rockland 5110

2012-03-17 Thread Joseph Gray
Since you guys know about and use this stuff, what can anyone tell me about a Rockland 5110-37 programmable synthesizer? All I can find on the net are references to a 5110-06, which is supposed to go up to 2 MHz. It obviously is programed via a large Amphenol connector on the back. The are no

Re: [time-nuts] New atomic clock

2012-03-14 Thread Joseph Gray
If neutrinos can have mass, then I guess neutrons can have orbits. But what do I know? It's all Greek (letters) to me :-) Joe Gray W5JG       If you google nuclear shell model you'll find a good Wikipedia article on the nuclear energy levels. Oddly enough, there is a similarity between the

[time-nuts] New atomic clock

2012-03-13 Thread Joseph Gray
http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/nucelar-clock-100-times-more-accurate-than-atomic-clock/story-fn5fsgyc-1226297068083#ixzz1osFDYtyb I didn't see a link to a more detailed article. This one tells you almost nothing. Joe Gray W5JG ___

Re: [time-nuts] New atomic clock

2012-03-13 Thread Joseph Gray
Yes, I caught that, too. I just chalked it up to the average non-technical journalist, considering where this article was published. Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Michael Costolo michael.cost...@gmail.com wrote: I'll admit to being a bit rusty in my particle physics, but since

Re: [time-nuts] New atomic clock

2012-03-13 Thread Joseph Gray
, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:37:02 -0600 Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/nucelar-clock-100-times-more-accurate-than-atomic-clock/story-fn5fsgyc-1226297068083#ixzz1osFDYtyb I didn't see a link to a more detailed article

[time-nuts] Austron 1201A

2012-03-11 Thread Joseph Gray
Is an Austron 1201A of any use? I may be able to get one. What is a rational price? How difficult is it to get an analog output, so I don't have to use the chart recorder? I didn't see any output connectors on it. Any chance of documentation? Googling found nothing. Joe Gray W5JG

Re: [time-nuts] PTS synthesizers

2012-02-09 Thread Joseph Gray
I don't have any PTS gear, but the Internet Archive has this old page: http://web.archive.org/web/20080821140147/http://www.xertech.net/Tech/PTS.html And a quick Google turned up these links: http://w8bl.com/page/5 http://www.artisan-scientific.com/info/pts_3200_manual.pdf I don't expect

[time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
I know it has been a while since the boards were sent out, but I finally placed an order with Mouser to populate the two boards I bought. I already have the unobtainium chips and can program the PICs, so no problems there. The question is, how do I use the PICTIC II after I've assembled it? I

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
John, I appreciate your help. Among other things, I'm not sure what to do with the adjustment pots after I finish building the board. Speaking of software, I was wondering if anyone had written a program for controlling the PICTIC II and logging the data. Using a serial terminal can be tedious.

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
John, Would using the 50 MHz XO option be something I should consider? Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
I know the resolution can be enhanced by swapping out some parts, but it's been too long to recall the details. On the schematic is a list of alternate XOs. For 50 MHz, the 1000 pf cap is changed to 180 pf. This is stated to give 25 ps maximum resolution. If this simple change is all that is

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread Joseph Gray
Set up to measure an interval that is more or less ramdon or granteed to cover the full range of the interpters. The idea is to adjust each pair the stop and start sides to cover the full range of possible of numbers without overlap or loss of resolution. What source would I use to

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-11 Thread Joseph Gray
without damage, and, amazingly, very promptly. Not sure what, exactly, I will do with them yet, but they will certainly have many possible roles. Joe WB4BPP -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent

Re: [time-nuts] Adding adjustment pot to 5680

2012-01-11 Thread Joseph Gray
Just one data point: Last night, I taped a thermocouple to the top case of a unit and read 50C. Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote: Arthur, 800mW will give you a 52C rise in junction temperature over ambient when not mounted to anything.  

[time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-10 Thread Joseph Gray
With all the talk on the list about these things, and considering the price, I could no longer resist temptation and ordered two from nichegeek. First, I was amazed at the speed at which I received these units. The order was placed last Friday, the shipment went out late Saturday and I received

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-10 Thread Joseph Gray
on the main PCB (visible by removing the bottom cover) - this seems to be the PCBA build date. Regards, Pete On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: With all the talk on the list about these things, and considering the price, I could no longer resist temptation

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-10 Thread Joseph Gray
The first power supply I used couldn't provide enough current for the startup of the heater, so I had to dig out another. After fixing that issue, the first rubidium unit locked very quickly. For initial testing, I'm using a scope, triggered on my HP Z3801A. After several minutes of warm up (I

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NI PXI chassis

2011-09-05 Thread Joseph Gray
Sold. Thanks to all who inquired. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] OT: NI PXI chassis

2011-09-02 Thread Joseph Gray
I thought this might be of interest to the T.N. folks. Someone has offered me a National Instruments PXI chassis with the following cards in it: PXI-8186 Embedded Controller PXI-5600 2.7 GHz RF Downconverter PXI-5620 56 MS/s Digitizer If there is anyone who is interested in this unit, let me

[time-nuts] Fluke 6060B

2011-09-02 Thread Joseph Gray
Does anyone have any experience or comments on a Fluke 6060B? I was offered one and it looks like something that I might find useful on the bench. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] FS: HP Z3801A

2011-08-28 Thread Joseph Gray
Sold. Thanks to all who inquired. Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: I am getting rid of some extra stuff. I have a Z3801A for sale. This unit is original and unmodified. It has been on the shelf for a while, but worked just fine the last time

[time-nuts] FS: HP Z3801A

2011-08-26 Thread Joseph Gray
I am getting rid of some extra stuff. I have a Z3801A for sale. This unit is original and unmodified. It has been on the shelf for a while, but worked just fine the last time it was used. You guys know how much these go for, so make me an offer. Joe Gray W5JG

Re: [time-nuts] Garmin 18x, new firmware Ver 3.60, NOT recommended for Time Nuts!

2011-06-16 Thread Joseph Gray
Thanks for letting us know. Joe Gray W5JG On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:19 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Folks, The new Garmin 3.70 firmware which corrects the problem is now available here:  

Re: [time-nuts] Softpal VLF software?

2011-05-18 Thread Joseph Gray
I've never heard of it, but Google quickly turns up this web page, where you can download it. http://www.lfsoftpal.com/ Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote: Does anyone know if the lsoftpal softpal package is available?  This is a

Re: [time-nuts] Softpal VLF software?

2011-05-18 Thread Joseph Gray
There is a download link at the bottom of the right hand column. Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Google found this http://www.lfsoftpal.com/ it was everything but the software. I had the idea too that I could monitor some

[time-nuts] Power supply noise

2011-04-28 Thread Joseph Gray
Power supply noise and ripple has been mentioned before, in relation to OCXO's and rubidiums. So, what is considered acceptable in these applications? Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A pinout

2011-04-20 Thread Joseph Gray
I know that several list members have bought FE-5680A rubidiums. Of all the various ebay sellers that you have bought this model from, who would you recommend? If I wanted a straight 10MHz unit vs a frequency agile unit, would you recommend a different seller? Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, Apr 20, 2011

Re: [time-nuts] Extron distribution Amp on EBay

2011-04-18 Thread Joseph Gray
I recently picked up a GBC video DA that seems to do a good job. Like you said, the NTSC stuff isn't wanted any more. Joe Gray W5JG On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Used an extron for years. Now use Grass Valley video DAs. Purchased a tray of 10-12 DAs like

[time-nuts] HP 3314A ROMs

2011-04-17 Thread Joseph Gray
As promised in another thread, I'm trying to read the ROMs on my working 3314A. The six ROMs are Mostek MK36000, a 24-pin 8K x 8 part. My programmer doesn't list these. A little Googling shows that this part should be pin compatible with both the 2364 ROM and the 68766 EPROM. Neither one of these

Re: [time-nuts] Selecting a used HP sweep/frequency generator

2011-04-14 Thread Joseph Gray
The Easter egg plays fine on mine :-) It's rather lengthy, too. Mine is in need of cal. I just replaced a dead lithium in it and when I have time, I'm going to attempt the cal. I would love to be able to sync it to my GPSDO if anyone knows how to add this feature. Someone mentioned the EPROMS on

[time-nuts] Ovenaire oscillator

2011-04-12 Thread Joseph Gray
I have an Ovenaire 10 MHz oscillator that was pulled from some junked equipment. Just for fun, I put it on the bench and hooked it up to a variable power supply. Watching the frequency output with a counter, I powered it up. According to the schematic, the onboard voltage regulator circuit

Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire OCXOs

2011-04-12 Thread Joseph Gray
After running overnight, the current draw has stabileized at 160 mA. I tweaked the trim pot to set the frequency to 10,000,000.00 Hz, which is the resolution of my counter. The counter is synced to the Z3801A. The Ovenaire is exposed to ambient air, so I expect things to change as the day warms

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 board needed

2011-04-12 Thread Joseph Gray
-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: martedì 12 aprile 2011 17.37 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire OCXOs After running overnight, the current draw has stabileized at 160 mA. I tweaked

Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire OCXOs

2011-04-12 Thread Joseph Gray
Bill and Magnus, Thanks for the tips. At this point I was mostly curious to see if the oscillator worked and if it was reasonably stable. To let it cook for a while, I will definitely have to put everything in a box. I am getting a battery and putting the pieces together to run it off battery or

Re: [time-nuts] BNC question

2011-04-10 Thread Joseph Gray
Thanks for all the input. I looked closely at the connectors and they seem to match some 50 Ohm connectors that I have. I have removed them from the board and now have eight isolated BNC connectors for my project. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Realhamradio Forum

2011-04-09 Thread Joseph Gray
For those interested, Bill put the forum back online. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] BNC question

2011-04-09 Thread Joseph Gray
I have an old Arcnet hub that I want to salvage the isolated BNC connectors from. Arcnet used 93 Ohm coax. I know that there are 50 Ohm and 75 Ohm versions of BNC connectors, but the ones from the hub look like a 50 Ohm BNC to me. I want to use these isolated BNC connectors for a frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Realhamradio Forum

2011-04-08 Thread Joseph Gray
...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 04/07/2011 09:44 AM, Joseph Gray wrote: Does anyone know what happened to the forum at http://realhamradio.com? It has been in maintenance mode for quite some time. I know that the other web pages are still available, but the forum had additional information

[time-nuts] Realhamradio Forum

2011-04-07 Thread Joseph Gray
Does anyone know what happened to the forum at http://realhamradio.com? It has been in maintenance mode for quite some time. I know that the other web pages are still available, but the forum had additional information and discussion. Even if no new posts are allowed, I hope the forum comes back.

[time-nuts] Portable standard

2011-04-06 Thread Joseph Gray
If I were to buy an HP 10811A OCXO to use as a portable, battery powered frequency standard, how would you recommend that it be powered and packaged? Assume that the final package would be powered 24/7 and sitting on a shelf most of the time. Prior to portable use, it would be checked against my

Re: [time-nuts] Portable standard

2011-04-06 Thread Joseph Gray
As usual, lots of good replies and more links to things for me to read :-) On the topic of rubidiums, I see three different brands on ebay. The FE units sell for much more. What are the differences between the three brands? Is the FE brand worth the price? Considering that these are all used

[time-nuts] Oncore battery backup

2011-04-06 Thread Joseph Gray
Recently, the local area had an extended power outage. I have the Z3801A on a UPS, but the outage lasted over an hour and the UPS didn't. I have the information about adding a battery to the Oncore to allow for faster startup. Is it safe to use a supercap instead of a battery? Joe Gray W5JG

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore battery backup

2011-04-06 Thread Joseph Gray
Isn't your real problem going to be that the oven on the oscillator has cooled off?  Or does the GPS lose the whole almanac, so the time to first fix is forever? Yes, the Oncore looses the almanac. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Portable standard - Rb query

2011-04-06 Thread Joseph Gray
Murray, Do you have any details on the DDS? How difficult is it to change on the fly if I wanted to? Is the FE-5680A that you like +15V only? Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Murray Greenman murray.green...@rakon.com wrote: Joe, I have several of the FEI units. You pay more

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread Joseph Gray
You must work for the Department of Redundancy Department. Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Greg Broburg semif...@comcast.net wrote: Don't forget LCD Display - Liquid Crystal Display Display Alternative to LED Display - Light Emitting Diode Display Greg On 4/5/2011 4:07 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-04 Thread Joseph Gray
Hal, Here are the results I got using your suggestion. The numbers may be a bit different than last night as I'm not sure I'm using the same cable. A+, B+ = 18.9 ns A-, B- = 19.4 ns Obviously there is some difference in delay between the A and B channels. Otherwise, the two numbers would have

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-04 Thread Joseph Gray
. How do I know which one is correct? Joe Gray W5JG On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Hal, Here are the results I got using your suggestion. The numbers may be a bit different than last night as I'm not sure I'm using the same cable. A+, B+ = 18.9 ns A-, B

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-04 Thread Joseph Gray
John, Yes, they both do. However, only one has the DVM option that lets me measure the voltage trigger levels. When I turned off preset and set the levels manually to match, I got similar numbers to using preset. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: Does the counter

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-04 Thread Joseph Gray
Hal, replies inline. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Here are the results I got using your suggestion. The numbers may be a bit different than last night as I'm not sure I'm using the same cable. A+, B+ = 18.9 ns A-, B- = 19.4 ns Obviously there

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-03 Thread Joseph Gray
Thanks again to everyone who replied. I obviously have much more to learn about this topic. I will do some reading and more experimenting. The comments so far have put me on the right track. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-03 Thread Joseph Gray
That's an interesting question. Does temperature have an effect on the dielectric that changes the VOP? I'll have to try your experiment. Is that worth ten extra credit points? :-) The copper in the coax has a positive temperature coefficient, which will contribute to an increased impedance

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-03 Thread Joseph Gray
I assume you mean that impedance has an effect on VOP? Can you point to any internet sources that explain this effect? Preferably something not overly technical. Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: It does change vop

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-03 Thread Joseph Gray
John, I wasn't expecting the coax to be a precision standard. However, since you bring it up, can you recommend something that I could use as a precision standard to test a T.I. counter? Preferably something that is inexpensive and easy to make. Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 6:11 PM, J.

[time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
I have a borrowed HP 5328A with the Universal Module. I'm using averaging mode and auto triggering. Counter does not have the OCXO option. I'm using the internal oscillator, not locking to my GPSDO. I was just messing around with a length of Belden 9273 and the 100 KHz square wave output from my

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
Interesting followup. With the exact same setup, but replacing the tee with a Wenzel power divider, I get 18.6 ns. On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: I have a borrowed HP 5328A with the Universal Module. I'm using averaging mode and auto triggering. Counter does

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Resistive or rf power divider? Using the latter may result in significant reflections. RF divider. Perhaps I should make a resistive divider. Joe Gray W5JG ___

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
Thanks for the input. I'll try a bit more experimenting and see what I get. As for the measured cable length, do I include the BNC connectors or not? Joe Gray W5JG On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: The measured delay

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
Yes, that is a better way of phrasing my question. If you are correct, then that would make about 14 mm difference in my measured length, which would bring me even closer to my calculated length. And the tee may also be adding to my error margin. Time for more experiments :-) Joe Gray W5JG On

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
If I understand you correctly, then I did not have things setup symetrically. Now I have a tee on each of the A and B inputs. The unused port on the B tee has a 50 Ohm terminator. Is this what you mean? With the above setup, using the shortest cable I have gives me 1.5 ns. Adding the longer cable

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
Speaking of the 5328A, for strictly T.I. use, would having the OCXO option be better? I have a different frequency counter that is much better for that purpose. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
Oops. I just noticed that I had previously punched the wrong button and had the wrong frequency out of the Spectracom. Using the loweset frequency of 100 KHz (as I thought I was using before), the T.I. readings are much more stable. Using these new numbers gets me even closer to the measured cable

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. experimenting - newbie question

2011-04-02 Thread Joseph Gray
John, the intent was not to precisely measure the VOP, although I would expect Belden cable to be fairly close. I'm just messing around with a piece of equipment that I haven't used before and doing simple experiments to see if I get reasonable results. I used to own a 5370A, but it had something

[time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
Months ago a bought an old Delorme Tripmate for $5 (for that price, why not?). Tonight I finally got around to fooling with it. After finding out that it was designed to talk only to Delorme software without some finagling, I got it to spit out NMEA data to Teraterm and other programs. I

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:06, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Months ago a bought an old Delorme Tripmate for $5 (for that price, why not?). Tonight I finally got around to fooling with it. After finding out that it was designed to talk only to Delorme software without some finagling, I

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:07 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] NMEA time off Months ago a bought an old Delorme Tripmate for $5 (for that price, why

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
I turned off all sentences except RMC. It is still showing about 2s behind UTC. This model was made in the mid 90's. How many leap seconds have we had since? Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook

2011-02-04 Thread Joseph Gray
The most recent Facebook incident involved 1/4 million Facebook accounts that got listed on a new dating site without the user's permission. That's one way to kickstart your dating site membership (not). Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread Joseph Gray
Reading the article, it sure smells like something is going on and it doesn't smell good. What's the going price for an FCC official, a Congressman, Senator, etc.? Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-14 Thread Joseph Gray
I think any pure alkali metal basically has to be handled in a good vacuum and moved around by distillation. It's easy enough as you are concerned with grams, at most, not pounds of the stuff. -John You obviously didn't see the Myth Busters episode where they used several pounds of sodium to

[time-nuts] New Japanese GPS accuracy

2011-01-04 Thread Joseph Gray
No details on how the extra Japanese satellite is making it possible to get this accuracy. http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/04/new-gps-system-boosts-accuracy-to-3cm/ Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] New Japanese GPS accuracy

2011-01-04 Thread Joseph Gray
reading that they want your cell phone to guide you to a shop's front door in a multistory building.   There will be ceiling mounted pseudo satellites using the same L1C signal to make that work. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Joseph Gray wrote: No details on how the extra

Re: [time-nuts] New Japanese GPS accuracy

2011-01-04 Thread Joseph Gray
I was just impressed with the claimed accuracy for a civilian product. Especially without having to do post processing. Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2011-01-04 Thread Joseph Gray
Geoff, Thanks a lot for comparing firmwares. That hard information helps tremendously. Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Kiwi Geoff geof...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph Gray wrote: If I am using the NMEA data (as in the Garmin is the only time source), what firmware is recommended

Re: [time-nuts] My Garmin 18x, Ver 3.50, currently 1 second slow to UTC

2010-12-31 Thread Joseph Gray
If I am using the NMEA data (as in the Garmin is the only time source), what firmware is recommended by all those using a GPS18x-LVC? Joe Gray W5JG On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:52 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: So, what is the final consensus as to which is the best

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