Re: [time-nuts] Google public NTP service

2016-11-30 Thread Mike S
On 11/30/2016 3:35 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > Not true. NTP has provision for arbitrrary extensions to an ntp packet. > > See RFC 5905. https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5905.txt section 7.3: HA! ntp (the implementation) doesn't follow the RFC, which says that ntp (the protocol) is supposed to

Re: [time-nuts] Seiko watch "leap second enabled"

2016-07-26 Thread Mike S
On 7/21/2016 12:09 AM, Mike Cook wrote: > « Seiko Astron enters the leap second data receiving mode after the > first GPS signal is received on or after June 1st and December 1st. » > (User Manual) Why 6/1 and 12/1? Leap seconds can happen any month. June and December are only a preference.

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/14/2016 5:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > For one, patents are about > commercial use only. If you don't sell it, patents don't apply > (this is a bit simplified, but not incorrect). Not sure where you are, but it's definitely incorrect for the US, where mere use, let alone making, can be

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap 5370A on eBay

2014-12-20 Thread Mike S
On 12/19/2014 10:40 PM, Mark Sims wrote: I few years back i posted on this forum how I restored a 5370A that had a missing ROM board by installing an EEPROM into the empty socket on the CPU board. Based off of that, I did similar, and documented it here: http://www.flatsurface.com/5370A/

Re: [time-nuts] NPR Story I heard this morning

2014-11-03 Thread Mike S
On 11/3/2014 3:54 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: When it comes to frequency standards the official SI second is defined only for sea level. We know time and frequency are bent by speed or gravity; According to the BIPM: At its 1997 meeting the CIPM affirmed that: This definition refers to a caesium

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system (Bob Camp)

2014-10-31 Thread Mike S
On 10/31/2014 6:14 PM, Bob Camp wrote: check a DB-9-M and DB-9-F ITYM DE-9-P and DE-9-S. Sorry, it's a pet peeve. 'taint no such thing as a DB-9, and the gender is Pin or Socket because male and female are ambiguous given the physical construction.

Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx rack mounts

2014-10-22 Thread Mike S
On 10/22/2014 4:44 PM, Dave M wrote: The Z38xx units are 11 wide (10-9/16 mounting centers) , and obviously are not suitable for a standard 19 rack cabinet. The Nortel GPSR (aka HP z3801a) was mounted vertically in a chassis which was itself rack mounted. It's 11 tall, not wide.

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-10-08 Thread Mike S
On 10/8/2014 8:46 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Other than turning the 5370A into a capable replacement for the 5370B... ? I believe the only significant difference between the A and B is that the B had a slightly more robust input module, and came standard with the 10811 OCXO. There were some

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-10-08 Thread Mike S
On 10/8/2014 9:52 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: The B is significantly faster in handling the GPIB interface, and other internal processor functions than the A... Why would that be? They use the same speed processor, and the GPIB interface is unchanged.

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPSsignalfromaGPSreceiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Mike S
On 9/15/2014 10:01 AM, Tom Miller wrote: Fast risetime pulses _are_ RF and need to be treated as such. You say that as if simply saying it provides an explanation, or even a reason. Exactly what ill effect on a triggered measurement is there if one does not terminate a PPS signal properly?

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPSsignalfromaGPSreceiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Mike S
On 9/15/2014 3:04 PM, Tom Miller wrote: So does adding ~80 pF per meter or 8 nF for 100 meters (RG58) to your output have any effect on the risetime? Because that is what it will see with an open cable. It's not nearly that simple. 8 nF distributed along 100 M is not the same as an 8 nF cap

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in snowy environment

2014-08-28 Thread Mike S
On 8/28/2014 2:15 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:00:19 -0400 Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: However, that raises a good questions, in terms of cones and shedding snow. I wonder how a straight slender vertical pipe with capped end ... But the pipe is not such a

Re: [time-nuts] Time in Phone System

2014-07-22 Thread Mike S
On 7/21/2014 11:07 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Every phone in my house that has an LCD shows the correct date time, but I have never set any of them. I expect that there's date and time information being sent in the header of every phone call, maybe even before the first ring along with the

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-15 Thread Mike S
On 7/15/2014 6:58 PM, Art Sepin wrote: A firmware update including the 8 channel @@Ea message (like the UT+) will be available in the coming months. A 6 channel @@Ba command is also being added so that users of legacy HP timing products that used the old VP Oncore will have an up-grade path.

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-27 Thread Mike S
On 2/27/2014 6:38 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: They generally don't mount their filesystems read/write, but only read/only. I've done similar things with FreeBSD in many systems (see: nanobsd) but I don't have time or clue to figure out how to do that with Linux. The way TiVo does this is to

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-21 Thread Mike S
On 2/19/2014 8:47 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: Thanks for the suggestions, but the MFJ121 does not display the date and the Lacrosse 8055 and 8016 do not display seconds. I need hour minutes seconds day and date. You wouldn't think that would be so hard. It looks like my only choice is

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 1pps

2014-01-27 Thread Mike S
On 1/27/2014 1:33 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: I looked at this a while ago. The spec only defines transmission levels, it does NOT specify receive thresholds. It certainly does... 2.1.3 For data interchange circuits, the signal shall be considered in the marking condition when the voltage on

Re: [time-nuts] NIST off-line

2013-10-01 Thread Mike S
On 10/1/2013 4:03 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: The reason for the lack of voting in Washington in relation to any bill that requires a tax raise is because 219 House and 39 Senate members have signed a pledge that says they will not vote for any tax increases, In what way is trying to create

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061B Beam Tubes

2013-09-23 Thread Mike S
On 9/23/2013 7:32 AM, Bob Camp wrote: On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:57 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Per the following Symmetricom instructions, HP/Agilent/Symmetricom tubes or instruments with tubes are exempt from the Hazmat requirements if shipped within the USA. You still have to label them per the

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-03 Thread Mike S
On 9/3/2013 10:56 AM, Jim Lux wrote: In this case, all the messages were presumably handled by the same carrier, so the issue of skew in timestamps is negligible; they're all presumably running off the same clock. But not necessarily the same time. For instance, some cell systems run on GPS

Re: [time-nuts] B.V.A. 8600 for sale

2013-08-29 Thread Mike S
On 8/29/2013 9:01 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 29 August 2013 01:00, Mann Weltzeit mweltz...@ymail.com wrote: I offer satisfaction protection in private sale at $3000.00 USD for each unit Am I missing something, or is $3000 more than a little excessive for what a quick Google would suggest

Re: [time-nuts] PTPv2 grandmaster with a Z3805A?

2013-08-20 Thread Mike S
On 8/20/2013 1:41 PM, Wojciech Owczarek wrote: True, this will help, and needless to say, dynamic CPU frequency etc. is a no-no, On modern x86 processors, both Intel and AMD, the tsc increments at a constant rate, independent of the CPU frequency.

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB/HPIB Address 31, Talk Only

2013-08-07 Thread Mike S
On 8/7/2013 3:22 PM, stan, W1LE wrote: Is address 31, for talk only, a HP/Agilent feature only, or do tothers provide talk only on the buss ? My understanding is that 31 is illegal as a device address, used to untalk/unlisten all devices. Perhaps what you mention is something from early

Re: [time-nuts] Net4501

2013-06-05 Thread Mike S
On 6/5/2013 6:51 PM, Didier Juges wrote: without using the high stability CPU oscillator option, just the PPS from one of my Thunderbolts. Is that even worthwhile? Will the high resolution built-in counters of the Elan processor be useful without the external oscillator compared to a plain

Re: [time-nuts] Net4501

2013-06-05 Thread Mike S
On 6/5/2013 10:33 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mi...@flatsurface.com said: I haven't really looked into it further, there may be an NTP tweak which forces a shorter time constant. minpoll, maxpoll Polling interval is different than update interval. From a FAQ at ntp.org: Recent versions of ntpd

Re: [time-nuts] Net4501

2013-06-05 Thread Mike S
On 6/5/2013 11:14 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: So other than bragging rights what do you get with a picosecond level NTP server? You're posting to the wrong list. :-) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Acutime Gold PPS

2013-05-19 Thread Mike S
On 5/19/2013 5:03 PM, Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves wrote: - Port A (T+) to R+ on the converter - Port A (T-) to R- on the converter - PPS+ to T+ on the converter - PPS- to T- on the converter On the RS232 part of the converter - TXD (pin 3) to computer pin 1 (DCD) - RXD (pin 2)to computer pin 2

Re: [time-nuts] GSP clock stabilitiy, Rb vs Cs

2013-05-05 Thread Mike S
On 5/4/2013 2:40 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Can anyone shed some light on why the GPS Cs beams have a worse stability than the Rb vapor clocks? I don't know, but it makes me wonder about things like 1) How sensitive is each to C-field tuning - i.e. for the same change in C-field, by how much

Re: [time-nuts] S743 Marketplace Fariness Act - the thing that wouldn't die.

2013-04-24 Thread Mike S
Can we admit that this is completely off-topic for this list, and move on to appropriate topics? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions

Re: [time-nuts] NIST DSS5 - Info

2013-04-23 Thread Mike S
On 4/23/2013 10:31 AM, cfo wrote: I don't expect NIST to keep the commandset (manuals) a secret , but doesn't have any contacts at NIST. Can you read the ROM(s), and do a strings on them? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A OCXO p/n 3505A09422?

2013-04-18 Thread Mike S
On 4/18/2013 5:41 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: It has an OCXO that I haven't seen before with a paper sticker with it's p/n: 3505A09422 The A normally means made in America. It's a double oven HP 10811A, you're looking at the serial number sticker. ___

Re: [time-nuts] Connectors

2013-04-12 Thread Mike S
On 4/12/2013 1:58 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: What are you referring to as scotchguard? I thought that was a discontinued waterproofing spray for fabric. You must be talking about something else. He may have meant Scotchkote, as in Scotchkote Electrical Coating FD. BTW, Scotchgard is used for

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread Mike S
On 3/30/2013 7:48 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: So far, i figured out that PIN photodiodes can go up to several 100MHz transition frequency and avalanche photodiodes are available up to 2GHz. The only photodiodes that go higher are those for the telecom range at 1-1.5um, which is a bit low for my

Re: [time-nuts] HP53132A vs SR625

2013-03-17 Thread Mike S
On 3/17/2013 1:56 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: On 3/17/2013 10:41 AM, Said Jackson wrote: The acceptable specs are pretty crappy in tim-nuts terms: +/-350pico * frequency with a 1s gate time. Thats straight from the user manual and assuming no reference error. From the manual: Frequency Accuracy: ±

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage on antennas

2013-03-14 Thread Mike S
On 3/13/2013 7:36 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: You can also put a 5-volt GPS on port 1 to match your 5-volt antenna and GPSs with other voltages, e.g. 3.3 or even 12 volts, on the other ports. This way, you don't lose the use of one port. That's the last thing I'd want to do, literally, since that

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage on antennas

2013-03-13 Thread Mike S
On 3/13/2013 6:40 PM, lstosk...@cox.net wrote: Some of the little magnetic attached antennas on eBay will operate on 3-5V. More problematic is using the older antennas which require 5V with the newer chips such as the LEA-5,6,7 series which run on 3.3V. Some distribution amps will all you to

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt antenna

2013-03-10 Thread Mike S
On 3/10/2013 12:04 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: RG-5910.4 dB/100 ft RG-68.4 dB/100 ft Heliax 7.4 dB/100 ft FSJ1-50A RG-11 5.7 dB/100 ft (Yes, I'm aware of the impedance differences) I used LMR-400. 5.1 dB @1.5 GHz /100 ft, 90 dB shield. And, it's

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-21 Thread Mike S
On 2/21/2013 10:05 PM, Martin A Flynn wrote: Hi folks, I picked up a used TS-2100L for use at a local technology museum. Unit powers up, locks, and syncs. (all three front panel LED are green) Using wire shark I can see traffic to the device on 192.168.56.99, however I can't connect to the

Re: [time-nuts] Possibly off topic - Jitter on Ethernet over power adapters

2013-02-12 Thread Mike S
On 2/10/2013 6:04 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: You should read TCP/IP as Internet Protocols (notice plural form here). It points to the stack of protocols, Actually, no. IP is Internet Protocol, singular, and is the L3 (mostly - IP predates the ISO/OSI model layers, so IP suite protocols don't

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-01-29 Thread Mike S
On 1/29/2013 1:55 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Note that this is higher than the older GPS would support, due to the new Wassenaar speed/altitude limits. What are the current limits? UBlox is Swiss, and therefore subject to Wassenaar. Are there any GPS chip makers in China (or ?), who wouldn't

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble TB PCB board gpsdo question

2013-01-25 Thread Mike S
On 1/25/2013 9:00 AM, Erno Peres wrote: it has a second frequency output 9,830400 MHz. What is the purpose for this freq in the GSM base station... None that I can think of. But it is 8 times the CDMA chip rate of 1.2288 MHz, so would be useful in a CDMA base station.

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Mike S
On 1/23/2013 3:34 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 01/23/2013 02:32 AM, Mike S wrote: Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric units are derived from the definition of the second, are any primary

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Mike S
On 1/24/2013 10:38 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/24/13 7:24 AM, Mike S wrote: On 1/23/2013 3:34 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 01/23/2013 02:32 AM, Mike S wrote: Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-22 Thread Mike S
On 1/22/2013 3:30 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: But can the number and type of atoms in such a standard be counted? Otherwise its not a primary standard. Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Mike S
On 12/7/2012 4:08 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: that was my point code is open source means open for inspection by end-user. The tool chain is irrelevant unless it comes from GPL or similar licenses. Back in the mainframe days most code was proprietary but distributed to customer in the form of

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Mike S
On 12/7/2012 5:26 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: Well the GPL crowd has kind of conflated open source with code licensed under the GPL. And yes I have met Richard Stallman on many occasions. And I'm sure he would also disagree on my definition of open source You're confusing the two. Stallman

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-26 Thread Mike S
On 11/26/2012 8:51 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: The antenna I got fron Nichegeek on ebay uses British Pipe Threads! Just can't get anything here that matches it. Perhaps I should just get a unit with regular NPT size threads? Why not just get a pipe nipple of close size, and grind off enough of

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Problem

2012-11-06 Thread Mike S
On 11/6/2012 2:59 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: But if this is a firmware issue, shouldn't there be lots of Z3801As with this problem? I suspect that there's a fault with my unit, but I can't imagine what. Does your unit by chance have an 8 channel Oncore VP instead of the stock 6 channel one?

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
On 10/18/2012 6:17 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Take care that the 1 satellite timing mode comes after having seens more than 4 satellites for at least 1 seconds (usually, or greater). You can't start a timing mode receiver with 1 satellite. Yes, you can. You only need to tell it its own

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 Replacement GPS Receiver Card

2012-09-16 Thread Mike S
On 9/15/2012 2:11 PM, paul swed wrote: Then respond back with whatever the response might be and then simply pass through in both direction whatever comes next. Could an updated rcvr be used. Is this init command really the only gotcha? It's more than just the init command. The z3801a also

Re: [time-nuts] Reducing lab noise with LED lighting.

2012-09-16 Thread Mike S
On 9/16/2012 8:09 PM, Tom Knox wrote: In this green era here in the USA there is a big push toward CFL lighting. Problem is I can see my CFL lighting on my PN measurements and other equipment. I am finding it is very noisy Run 12 VDC lighting, or hydrocarbon (NG/propane/naptha, which is noisy

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 Replacement GPS Receiver Card

2012-09-13 Thread Mike S
On 9/13/2012 1:39 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:22 AM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: The GPS receiver in my Z3801 has died and I need to replace it. Go to ebay and type oncore in the search box. There are MANY available starting at just about $20. Search for oncore vp

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 Replacement GPS Receiver Card

2012-09-13 Thread Mike S
On 9/13/2012 2:00 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: Search for oncore vp (which is what a z3801a needs), and you won't find ANY, at any price. Really? It can't use the newer UT? I thought the UT is identical except for better

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-13 Thread Mike S
On 9/13/2012 4:45 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: OK, listening to the 32KHz EM field, not to the acoustic 32KHz. I'm impressed by your special powers. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

2012-09-11 Thread Mike S
On 9/11/2012 11:58 AM, David McGaw wrote: Curious. Civil time is based on UTC, not GPS. Shouldn't the smart phones account for the difference from GPS time? We have the technology. The problem is, Google doesn't have a clue. The issue was first reported to them almost 3 years ago -

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

2012-09-10 Thread Mike S
On 9/10/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Smither wrote: May not be redundant for time nuts! I have an NTP client on my Android and it shows the network time (Sprint in my case) is often as much as 2 seconds behind UTC. So that makes it, what, 21 seconds off? It should be 19 seconds ahead of UTC, since

Re: [time-nuts] What size graphs do people like? (How big is yourscreen?)

2012-08-08 Thread Mike S
On 8/8/2012 1:41 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: ps and pdf, at least the way I see them, are not in the same boat as SVG. SVG is an image format that can easily be included in a html page. ps and pdf are stand alone.

Re: [time-nuts] web presentation of data

2012-08-07 Thread Mike S
On 8/6/2012 12:57 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: IMG SRC=image.big WIDTH=50% HEIGHT=50% The viewer can then right-click on the image and via the view image or similar menu open up the full-sized version for the fine detail. That worked on my browser and monitor, but apparently not on some

Re: [time-nuts] Tag Heuer Mikrogirder

2012-08-01 Thread Mike S
On 8/1/2012 12:19 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: What's the claim for the Tag Heuer Mikrogirder? Their timekeeping can't be very good, as their alarms obviously don't work - their SSL certificate (*.tagheuer.com) expired 1/4/2012 11:59:00 PM GMT. ___

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt mounting

2012-07-11 Thread Mike S
On 7/11/2012 8:15 PM, Chris Wilson wrote: Does anyone know if there's a means to log max and min temps for these things? I was going to make a crude box for mine out of 2 inch cavity wall insulation hard foam, The TB reports it's own temperature. Lady Heather will track it. I'm surprised no

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-02 Thread Mike S
On 7/2/2012 9:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: I know this is hard for you Mike, try and pay attention. Are insults really a necessary part of your argument? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-02 Thread Mike S
On 7/2/2012 9:28 AM, Jim Lux wrote: but if we ARE going to establish artificial connections between wall clock time (work hours, store opening times, bar closing times, etc.) and the sun, why not do it gradually. Time and the sun are certainly a _natural_ connection, not an artificial one.

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-02 Thread Mike S
On 7/2/2012 1:04 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: Clearly when you called me a Luddite you were passing me a complement? I called you no such thing. I asked if you were arguing from that point of view, since you were arguing against using technology because of the risk. That seems to be characterized

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-01 Thread Mike S
On 7/1/2012 8:24 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Thoughts? UTC was specifically defined/specified to closely track the other UTx timescales. Breaking that link penalizes those who use it as it was intended. If being close to solar time isn't important for some applications, and they don't want

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-30 Thread Mike S
On 6/29/2012 11:15 PM, Said Jackson wrote: This is one day not to be flying in a commercial airplane when it happens.. Who knows if the gps units crash, if their designers never checked mid-year leapseconds.. ? GPS uses GPS time, which doesn't have leap seconds. And, it's not like this is the

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second coming...

2012-06-29 Thread Mike S
On 6/29/2012 2:46 AM, Hal Murray wrote: That's Friday, the 29th. The leap second doesn't happen until Sat, 30th. I think 23:59:59 UTC is 16:59:59 PST. UTC is 7 hours earlier than PST. For a time-nuts list, there sure seems to be a lot of confusion. He was off a day, you're off an hour.

[time-nuts] NTP leap second status...

2012-06-29 Thread Mike S
OK, less than a day to go. At this point, properly configured NTP servers should show leap_add_sec, leap=01, and possibly leapsec=20120701. To check, do an ntpq -crv. ntpq -crv ipaddress to check a remote host (if it allows it). ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Spoofing GPS

2012-06-26 Thread Mike S
On 6/26/2012 7:57 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: If the GPS is jammed, the UAV goes into a failsafe mode. If the GPS _knows_ it has been jammed, the UAV goes into a failsafe mode. There, fixed that for you. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Spoofing GPS

2012-06-26 Thread Mike S
On 6/26/2012 9:53 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I have been around military jamming. The GPS goes to zilch. It isn't a soft degradation. Whoosh. The (off-topic) discussion is about civilian GPS, as used by civilian drones. I take it you didn't read the linked article from the OP, which

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS rollover

2012-06-08 Thread Mike S
On 6/7/2012 9:45 PM, k4...@aol.com wrote: believe me, there is no fool proof solution to this. I don't believe you. One need only provide a command to allow manually setting the checkpoint date. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS rollover

2012-06-07 Thread Mike S
On 6/7/2012 8:02 PM, Bob Camp wrote: One could put in a routine that looks at the date the software was written and fix any date that shows up as being in the past. After all the issues seen after the last rollover, I'd think receivers would have been made robust against this. One obvious

Re: [time-nuts] zero crossing of venus

2012-06-06 Thread Mike S
On 6/6/2012 9:09 AM, Jim Lux wrote: does anyone have a reference to the math and process used to measure distance from earth to sun using transit of venus? http://transitofvenus.nl/wp/getting-involved/measure-the-suns-distance/ ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-22 Thread Mike S
On 5/22/2012 3:39 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: I've played with a Lantronix single port server and a Digi 16 port server with no problems for simple COM port emulation. But I wonder if they would work well with an NTP server. Has anyone tested that? Is the network delay a problem due to either amount of

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/15/2012 2:45 PM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: The narrow pulses are easily filtered by the power supply because the frequency distribution of the power consumption has a much smaller component at 1Hz. But, since PPS is the leading edge, if the power draw for a longer pulse width causes

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/15/2012 3:59 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: seeing into the future for doing? Equalize the amplitude? Injecting/reducing the current to adjust the dV/dt? Can you explain? Once the leading edge has occurred, the only information of significance has been transmitted. What happens after doesn't

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/15/2012 4:19 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: If the PPS pulse is short, it contains very little energy, which means the energy can be supplied by the small capacitors at the output driver. The longer the pulse gets, the more energy it needs. The pulse is meaningless. It's only the leading edge

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/15/2012 5:14 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: it is the effect of what follows after that leading edge, and propagates down the power supplies to cause side effects that is being discussed here. I'm asking What side effects? I haven't seen any mentioned. And really, if an increase in power

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/15/2012 8:58 PM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, here is the effect of the A/C cycling on and off during a warm spring day on the delay through a piece of RG-8 cable maybe 3 feet long: You're comparing the effect of voltage droop due to a 10W load on a 120V (or 240V, for Euros) AC feed

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Mike S
On 5/14/2012 8:21 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: one day during an experiment where I was comparing a large set of clocks I noticed my lab's digital AC power meter was jumping by tens of watts every second. The last thing you want in a precision timing lab is to load your AC line down exactly once a

Re: [time-nuts] Faster than light of a different type

2012-05-07 Thread Mike S
On 5/7/2012 7:22 PM, Cliff Sojourner wrote: one more thing, people need to learn to hit the delete key if they don't like a particular email. I prefer to simply subscribe to low noise sources, where I'm not required to get manually intervene. get over it. Don't tell me what to do. Get

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA, better than Thunderbolt

2012-05-03 Thread Mike S
On 5/3/2012 4:16 PM, Dan Rae wrote: Yes, he did. Unfortunately I didn't check since I still had the page open from earlier, and didn't find out till I went to Paypal... He certainly isn't getting positive feedback from me. You'd let your own oversight affect the feedback you leave? It's not

Re: [time-nuts] Setting up PRS10 with M12+T GPS

2012-05-02 Thread Mike S
On 5/2/2012 5:18 PM, Tom Knox wrote: I cannot believe my Guidetech GT4000 was left off your list. No worries. He didn't list the HP 5370A, either. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-05 Thread Mike S
On 4/5/2012 2:51 AM, David J Taylor wrote: Mike, have you tried FreeBSD instead? Does it show the same problems? I have a couple of Soekris Net 4501s running FreeBSD and NTP. They don't have much jitter, but they're a very different architecture. The machine with the jitter is my home do

[time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Mike S
I asked this on an NTP list, got some guesses, but no knowledgeable responses. I've got a Trimble Thunderbolt PPS source for NTP, Linux 2.6.35, on a quad core CPU. PPS source is coming into a multiport serial card, which /proc/interrupts shows is sharing IRQ with some inactive USB ports (IRQ

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Mike S
On 4/4/2012 6:51 PM, Eric Williams wrote: Could the CPU be reducing its clock rate when it's not being loaded? Just a guess, most multi-core processors these days have power saving features like that. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Mike Smi...@flatsurface.com wrote: I've played around

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread Mike S
On 4/4/2012 10:41 PM, Steve . wrote: breaking the 1pps down as far as 10micro seconds,The most obviously problem is that you are trying to use an inaccurate clock source(the pc) Your reply ignores the simple fact that it _does_ track within a couple of microseconds, as long as the processor

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna for t-bolt

2012-04-02 Thread Mike S
On 4/2/2012 5:39 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Question is that I am looking for suggestions for GPS antenna for t-bolt. I use an Andrew GPS-QBW-26N (quadrifilar). 26 db amp + 4 db antenna gain, through an HP 58516 distribution amp. Works well for me.

Re: [time-nuts] Yahoo group not receiving emal

2012-03-29 Thread Mike S
On 3/29/2012 3:16 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: If you are using yahoo as your webmail, change! quickly! They're not called yahoos for nothing. But, Microsoft and Google aren't far behind in Internet cluelessness. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yahoo

Re: [time-nuts] Best reason

2012-03-28 Thread Mike S
On 3/28/2012 1:42 PM, David McGaw wrote: I never have considered quartz watches to be better unless they can be adjusted, which most cannot. Most decent ones can be. I've got some Citizens and Seikos, which have a small trimmer cap you can adjust. There's usually a test point nearby with a

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Mike S
On 3/25/2012 9:54 PM, gary wrote: MMBD914 !=1n914. 1n914BWTm i.e. using a suffix, is something I haven't seen before, but technically 1N914BWT != 1n914. That is, in the strict sense, the 1n914 has to be a diode in that glass package. As long as we're being pedantic, you're wrong. What you say

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Mike S
On 3/26/2012 10:10 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: The glass used to make the body of the diode melts at something like 1500C! I think they're sintered, not melted, and it's more like 700 C - http://www.us.schott.com/epackaging/english/glass/technical_powder/passivation.html#

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Mike S
On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html

Re: [time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-09 Thread Mike S
On 2/9/12 4:51 AM, WarrenS wrote: Indeed, ADEV is for random freq variation not easily measured by other means. Temperature fluctuations do not cause random freq changes and the temperature's effect should be removed if one wants accurate long term ADEV numbers. Why? Unless the unit is

Re: [time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-09 Thread Mike S
On 2/9/2012 11:34 PM, ws at Yahoo wrote: You can of course use the ADEV math function for anything, but MY definition of true and accurate ADEV numbers must include a set up that gives repeatable results. If you test is done over different or unknown temperature changes that have major effects,

Re: [time-nuts] (OT) linkedin spam

2012-02-04 Thread Mike S
On 2/3/2012 3:40 PM, J. Forster wrote: In theory only. I have been on both FaceBook and LinkedIn Do Not Contact lists, and I got another spam within the last two days. That may merely be phishing. I've seen quite a few lately, which are made to look like they originate from LinkedIn, but

Re: [time-nuts] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2012-01-25 Thread Mike S
On 1/25/2012 5:02 PM, J. Forster wrote: This is intolerable data mining by LinkedIn. FaceBook does the same thing. It is spread either by malware or purposeful deception by those companies. I don't think so. AIR, when you sign up for LinkedIn, it offers to harvest your address book for

Re: [time-nuts] hijacking threads

2012-01-23 Thread Mike S
On 1/23/2012 4:41 AM, Hal Murray wrote: You didn't cleanup the headers. Your message contained: References:cabbxvhtj3b3kbzshesqqzca_do8fak2fxnam4foekttokfw...@mail.gmail.co That's not really his fault. Thunderbird does it wrong. RFC 1036: 2.2.5. References - This field lists the

Re: [time-nuts] hijacking threads

2012-01-23 Thread Mike S
On 1/23/2012 9:58 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: I don't think it is clear that editing the Subject line is the same as raising a new subject. In the context of the References header, as was being discussed in the RFC, that's all it _can_ be (editing the subject line). When creating a message from

Re: [time-nuts] finding time astronomically.

2012-01-23 Thread Mike S
On 1/23/2012 3:02 PM, Jim Lux wrote: How well could you do with something like the camera in the iPhone4 facing up. The front camera is VGA resolution A lower bound can be estimated. A cell phone (iPhone 4 rear camera) camera sensor has a resolution of what? ~2600 pixels wide with a 45

Re: [time-nuts] 15 Seconds error...??

2012-01-18 Thread Mike S
On 1/18/2012 4:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Use of TAI is fine, as long as you won't tell anyone near the timelords, as obvious TAI is supposed to be hands off. You said something similar a couple of times. Where does that come from? Who says you're not supposed to use TAI, and why not?

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