[time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Joseph Gray
Sorry for the newbie question, but with two Z3801A's, what use would I find for a rubidium unit? I see lots of them on ebay from the Chinese sellers. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Hal Murray
Sorry for the newbie question, but with two Z3801A's, what use would I find for a rubidium unit? I see lots of them on ebay from the Chinese sellers. Better holdover for when your antenna gets zapped by lightning. :) That probably assumes your Z3801As are running off a UPS and that you have

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Joseph Gray
Considering that the GPS antenna is presently mounted inside, if I get a lightning strike on it, I've got real problems :-) On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Sorry for the newbie question, but with two Z3801A's, what use would I find for a rubidium unit?

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread J. L. Trantham
, October 05, 2009 2:09 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium Sorry for the newbie question, but with two Z3801A's, what use would I find for a rubidium unit? I see lots of them on ebay from the Chinese sellers

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread J. Forster
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:09 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium Sorry for the newbie question, but with two Z3801A's, what use would I find

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Joseph Gray
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium Sorry for the newbie question, but with two Z3801A's, what use would I find for a rubidium unit? I see lots of them on ebay from the Chinese sellers

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Richard W. Solomon
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium I know I don't need any of this stuff. I was just wondering what I could do with a rubidium vs what I already have. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: From

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's a reason why you might want (as opposed to need!) another standard beyond the GPSDO. An Rb or Cs is self-contained. The GPSDO relies on an external factor, the presence of GPS. Holdover mode may be good to keep thing close for a while, but over the long term the GPSDO without GPS is

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Joseph Gray
Thanks, John. That was the type of information I was looking for. Joe Gray KA5ZEC On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: Here's a reason why you might want (as opposed to need!) another standard beyond the GPSDO. An Rb or Cs is self-contained.  The GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Hal Murray
I know I don't need any of this stuff. I was just wondering what I could do with a rubidium vs what I already have. Get one and try to compare it to your GPSDO. Then you will have a good excuse to get better test gear. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread J. Forster
A GOOD crystal oscillator will stay w/in parts in 10E10 for days at least. And I don't mean a DO. Just run it with a continuous comparison to LORAN or WWVB or GPS and MANUALLY tweek it as needed. A benefit is that you KNOW when you made an adjustment and not have to worry about random changes from

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2009-10-05 Thread J. Forster
I neglected to mention there are very, very good reasons to have a single master frequency standard and distribution amp for a lab. IMO, that is far more important than the standard's absolute accuracy. -John == A GOOD crystal oscillator will stay w/in parts in 10E10 for days at least.

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2009-10-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1406.12.6.201.38.1254771700.squir...@popacctsnew.quik.com, J. For ster writes: I neglected to mention there are very, very good reasons to have a single master frequency standard and distribution amp for a lab. IMO, that is far more important than the standard's absolute accuracy. You

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2009-10-05 Thread J. Forster
I have a pair of good quartz oscillators, an HP and an Oscilloquartz. They are compared to each other w/ a Tracor Frequency Difference Meter. The HP Oscillator drives an HP Distribution amp and thence other things, including an Austron LORAN. I have but to look at the LORAN occasiuonally to see

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2009-10-05 Thread bg
In message 1406.12.6.201.38.1254771700.squir...@popacctsnew.quik.com, J. For ster writes: I neglected to mention there are very, very good reasons to have a single master frequency standard and distribution amp for a lab. IMO, that is far more important than the standard's absolute accuracy.

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread David I. Emery
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 12:35:17PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: My main gripe w/ Rb and especially Cs is they have very limited lives. IMO, it's just not worth paying extra money for stability I don't need. If I ever do need their capabilities, there are several on the shelf, but until then they

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread Joseph Gray
I know I don't need any of this stuff. I was just wondering what I could do with a rubidium vs what I already have. Get one and try to compare it to your GPSDO. Then you will have a good excuse to get better test gear. Hal, I like the way you think :-) Actually, I am very slowly