Re: [time-nuts] Effects on GPS antenna performance due to installation proximity of second antenna

2019-11-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Most of what you see suggests > 10’ / 3M between GPS antennas. They seem to be concerned about a variety of things. Exactly how those concerns translates into the magic distance has always been a bit obscure. Bob > On Nov 23, 2019, at 7:07 PM, JAMES ROBBINS wrote: > > I would

Re: [time-nuts] Effects on GPS antenna performance due to installation proximity of second antenna

2019-11-23 Thread Jeremy Nichols
I have two identical GPS antennas mounted side by side about a foot apart feeding two different receivers with no observed problems. Jeremy On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 4:12 PM JAMES ROBBINS wrote: > I would appreciate feedback on the question of the ill effects (if any) of > mounting two GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Spark timer.

2019-11-23 Thread paul swed
Peter will believe we both have purchased items from the same person at MIT. Always has interesting bits of old gear. I did indeed pick up a gen-rad tuning fork reference/standard at MIT Type 723 c and 1000 hertz. It works well and cleaned up even better. If I had seen the item you picked I will

[time-nuts] Effects on GPS antenna performance due to installation proximity of second antenna

2019-11-23 Thread JAMES ROBBINS
I would appreciate feedback on the question of the ill effects (if any) of mounting two GPS antennas in proximity to one another. I am intending to mount a 58532A L1 antenna and a L1/L2 antenna on the same mast on my roof separated by around 1-2 feet. I have attached a photo to show the

Re: [time-nuts] tracking position & orientation

2019-11-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Sorry, I read it as "NRCAN wil *only* do L1" -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Re: [time-nuts] tracking position & orientation

2019-11-23 Thread Björn
No... NRCAN is one of the few that do not require both L1 and L2 observables. It also accepts only L1. /Björn Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Nov 2019, at 08:22, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > In message > , > Mark Sims writes: > >> NRCAN / csrs-ppp will do L1 only data. Typical

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2019-11-23T09:29:09+0100 Jean-Louis Rault hath writ: > I'm wondering why the largest hand is used for minutes, and the smaller > hands for hours and seconds If the purpose of the clock was to determine what time it was from an astronomical observation then a second hand was not sufficient.

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Jean-Louis Rault
I like your rather poetic point of view :o) Jean-Louis Le 23/11/2019 à 14:27, Matt Osborn a écrit : Pretty nice, I've always wondered why clocks weren't designed this way. Hours last too long and estimating minutes from the hour hand is minimally useful while seconds are too fast and mostly

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Jean-Louis Rault
Hi Iain There are different institutions on the observatory site in Uccle near Brussels (the planetarium is somewhere else) See https://www.astro.oma.be/en/. I have regularly some meetings with peoples of the Belgium Institute for Space Aeronomy there, so i'm going to ask them if there is

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
My idea is that for the time this was built and used, there was little or no need for really accurate time keeping in most astronomy work. The high accuracy/precision needs really didn't arise until the beginning of what I'll call "modern astronomy", which I'll loosely define as the discovery of

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
Celestial navigation users might object to the notion that seconds are not important. That is, if you can find anybody still exercising that art. In that arena, folks are taught to read seconds first, then minutes, then hours. Depending on the latitude, one second can lead to something like 1/4

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Iain Young
Hi Marcus On 23/11/19 14:31,You wrote: On a related note, some trivia that might be of interest. The master pendelum clocks is still in their basement in Observatoire Royal de Belgique, I've seen them. They have their dedicated heating-system to help control the temperature, ovenizing the

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On a related note, some trivia that might be of interest. The master pendelum clocks is still in their basement in Observatoire Royal de Belgique, I've seen them. They have their dedicated heating-system to help control the temperature, ovenizing the whole basement building (the clocks are

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi That’s a very unique piece of history. Hopefully you were able to get it. Bob > On Nov 23, 2019, at 3:29 AM, Jean-Louis Rault wrote: > > Hi all > > A friend of mine offered me a secondary electric clock that was in use at > Observatoire Royal de Belgique, in Brussels, at the end of the

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Matt Osborn
Pretty nice, I've always wondered why clocks weren't designed this way. Hours last too long and estimating minutes from the hour hand is minimally useful while seconds are too fast and mostly irrelevant for human use. Reading the time as so many minutes past whichever hour is very natural and

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Neville Michie
The clock is of a type known as a regulator. This style of design minimises all factors that could reduce performance. One method is to reduce the number of moving parts to a minimum, so there is a wheel for the escapement with the seconds hand on it (bottom), a wheel for minutes, (middle), and a

[time-nuts] Looking for HP8566A or HP8568A eprom content

2019-11-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I know this is a little bit off-topic, but I am looking for the EPROM content of the HP8566A or HP8568A spectrum analyzers for a computer archaeology project. Direct email reply, please. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: [time-nuts] tracking position & orientation

2019-11-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Mark Sims writes: >NRCAN / csrs-ppp will do L1 only data. Typical results have errror ellipses >in the 300-500 mm range. Then your RINEX files must have some flaw in them. NRCAN process both L1 and L2: OBS G L1C L2C C1C C2C I get horizongal uncertainties of

[time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Jean-Louis Rault
Hi all A friend of mine offered me a secondary electric clock that was in use at Observatoire Royal de Belgique, in Brussels, at the end of the 19th century. The manufacturer is Peyer Favarger & Co, Neuchatel, Switzerland. I'm wondering why the largest hand is used for minutes, and the