[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO - GPS1300-10-1000 by RFX Ltd. UK

2022-03-01 Thread Wes
is just as fast. Wes  N7WS. On 3/1/2022 4:11 PM, Tom Holmes wrote: John... If you haven't already, look into the Leo Bodnar GPSDO. It is a couple hundred bucks US, and the people I know who have them are pretty happy with them. Not sure off the top of my head if they make a PPS, however. And, he

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Wes
of a foul up, my security clearance wasn't received so instead of being in the indoor VIP viewing area I was relegated to some outdoor bleachers in the hinderlands where the countdown was from some distant speakers. By the time I heard it, the missile was long gone. Wes

[time-nuts] Re: Thunderbolts

2021-07-20 Thread Wes
https://v3.airspy.us/product/lb-gpsdo-mini/ I've been considering ordering a Bodnar just for frequency agility, but have been holding off out of concern for the complications of dealing with a foreign supplier. Dana ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] Re: Thunderbolts ...

2021-07-20 Thread Wes
. The Chinese unit has an OCXO.  I had it apart once and noted what parts were used, but I've misplaced those notes.  I have no good method(s), equipment wise, to compare these. Wes  N7WS On 7/20/2021 10:42 AM, John Ackermann wrote: The Bodnar GPSDO is great for what it is, and has the great advantages

[time-nuts] Re: Thunderbolts ...

2021-07-20 Thread Wes
I wrote Tom, at the address he gave, on Saturday with a query.  So far, no reply. Wes  N7WS  On 7/19/2021 4:59 PM, John Miles wrote: If you're looking for a low cost surplus GPSDO, the ones Tom mentioned in his post on Saturday are the ones you want. Not a Thunderbolt-E, and not something

[time-nuts] Test

2021-04-22 Thread Wes
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[time-nuts] Re: Best frequency to start for GHz synth ?

2021-04-01 Thread Wes
radio (never figured out why they didn't use one of their own) to come up with a fix that entailed bonding a 1/8" thick aluminum stiffener to the circuit card.  This found it's way into production and a retrofit kit was offered for others. Wes  N7WS On 4/1/2021 11:16 AM, Richard

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread Wes
On 3/30/2021 4:33 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: On 3/30/21 2:56 PM, Wes wrote: You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. 70m. Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. Wes It's all about EIRP, baby. I know they're talking about half a megawatt for GB, but I don't see

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Wes
You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. 70m. Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. Wes On 3/30/2021 2:00 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: On 3/30/21 6:40 AM, Wes wrote: Was a pity.  China's FAST is receive only.  I believe that leaves Green Bank as the biggest

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Wes
then a blower on a receive amplifier was unusual :-) Wes Stewart N7WS On 3/30/2021 4:06 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote: GOOD Morning Tom                                                                                                                                                       Thank you

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Wes
of a Cadillac V8. Wes  N7WS On 2/6/2021 1:23 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > ptti/1981papers/Vol%2013_30.pdf Note the dialog on the last page. Dave Wineland went on to win the 2012 Nobel prize in Physics: ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.

Re: [time-nuts] 20th year of time nuts mailing list

2020-12-31 Thread Wes
Congratulations Tom!  Happy, prosperous and healthy New Year to you and all of the other nuts. Wes Stewart,  N7WS On 12/31/2020 10:02 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hello time nuts, Ah, it is 2021-01-01 (JD 2459215.5, MJD 59215) which is nice because that means it's not 2020 anymore. One reason

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of traditional phase noise analyzers

2020-12-17 Thread Wes
The paper "Choosing a Phase Noise Measurement Technique", available on John Miles' site might be of interest. BTW, I worked with one of the authors, Terry Decker, for some years at Hughes.  Sharp lady. Wes On 12/17/2020 4:02 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Good afternoon, In t

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-23 Thread Wes
+to+quartz+crystal+unit+design Wes  N7WS On 10/23/2020 2:11 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, I'm again hunting for some old stuff. Quite a few older papers, books and technotes (including an article by Bernd Neubig from 1978) reference V.Bottom's "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal U

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz BVA has been sold. Thank you all who expressed an interest.

2020-09-25 Thread Wes
hurt that they are based here in Tucson :-) Wes  N7WS On 9/25/2020 11:25 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I've had good luck with Iota brand chargers for 12 and 24 volt... I think they are "DCL" series or something similar.  They are available in various amperage and include a smart-

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5316B External Reference

2020-07-13 Thread Wes
Thanks again for your insight Rick. I'll be passing on acquiring one of these. Wes  N7WS On 7/13/2020 9:02 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 7/13/2020 6:26 AM, Wes wrote: Hi Magnus, I did have the manual when I posed the original question but I had not delved into the cal procedure

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5316B External Reference

2020-07-11 Thread Wes
Thank you Paul. On 7/11/2020 6:59 PM, paul swed wrote: Wes many of the HP sig gens and counters use that method I might guess starting in the 70s. They all lock very well to the external reference and are as good as the external reference is. One gotcha. It seems some people pull

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5316B External Reference

2020-07-11 Thread Wes
ff-the-air frequency measurements where the unknown is mixed down to audio. Wes  N7WS On 7/11/2020 6:46 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 7/11/2020 3:51 PM, Wes wrote: As I understand it this counter has an external reference input that isn't used directly as the time base but injection locks th

[time-nuts] HP 5316B External Reference

2020-07-11 Thread Wes
As I understand it this counter has an external reference input that isn't used directly as the time base but injection locks the internal time base.  Does anyone here know how well this works. Is using a GPSDO as a reference a worthwhile accuracy improvement? Wes Stewart  N7WS

Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-28 Thread Wes
olished as part of a "modernization" of downtown (it's still a vacant lot) and I wondered how surprised they were when they went to remove the slab. Wes  N7WS On 6/28/2020 8:05 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Dr David Kirkby Ph.D C.Eng MIET Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web: https://

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt question

2020-06-06 Thread Wes
in a rural area outside of Tucson so hopefully Ligado won't be an issue. We'll have to see if their technical expertise is as good as the PR and lobby lawyers are. Wes On 6/6/2020 8:49 AM, Dana Whitlow wrote: Wes, it sounds like you're in pretty good shape with one thing that concerns me. Unless your

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt question

2020-06-06 Thread Wes
m guessing it's for NF optimization.  So is the spec the nominal output Z (s21) of the internal amplifier or is it the load the amplifier needs to be presented with to deliver advertised gain?  Who knows?  Either way, my 75 ohm coax is within limits. Wes  N7WS On 6/5/2020 4:56 PM, DON MUR

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt question

2020-06-05 Thread Wes
A 1.5:1 SWR = ~14 dB return loss. On 6/5/2020 6:42 PM, Tom Holmes wrote: Dana... I think that you are neglecting two important mitigating factors. 1. the cable loss at 1575MHz, even for a 25' run of RG-6, reduces those reflections quite a lot from one end to the other. It amounts to 2 -

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread Wes
You talked me in to it. Wes  N7WS On 5/23/2020 8:19 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote: Sufficiently interesting that I bought a paper copy through Abebooks. Looks like a somewhat later version, author given as Douglas Mudgway, title “ Uplink-Downlink: A History of the Deep Space Network 1957-1997

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Support Board

2020-05-13 Thread Wes
I can remember "wiring" up some X-band test equipment with WR90 waveguide, flanges and a brazing torch. We "miniaturized" the missile hardware by using 1/4 height W/G. Circa 1966. Wes On 5/13/2020 9:12 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote: You give away your age, was there did

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Support Board

2020-05-13 Thread Wes
AC0XU (Jim) I responded to your email address and it bounced.  I would be happy to get a board from you. Let me know how to proceed. Thanks, Wes ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Support Board

2020-05-13 Thread Wes
by an order of magnitude since then it seems.  (I can remember laying out boards by hand, taping up the artwork 4:1, reducing it photographically, exposing and etching boards.  So today's technology is magical.) Many of you are doing some awesome work.  Well done. Wes  N7WS

[time-nuts] OCXO Support Board

2020-05-12 Thread Wes
Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little. Thanks Wes N7WS

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice on BG7TBL DO

2020-05-04 Thread Wes
last night. The receiver is amazing.  I'm receiving 10 birds with the puck antenna inside.  The Motorola Oncore sees 5 or 6 as does a Garmin GPSMAP60. Wes On 5/3/2020 6:56 AM, Bill Notfaded wrote: Wes- A great resource for info is the BG7TBL master thread at eevblog. We track everything we know about t

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-05-03 Thread Wes
eeks.  It's continued to drift for over two hours and now has approached 10 MHz but is still wandering around 4-5 mHz with respect to the Bodnar.  Which is correct is anyone's guess. I guess the next project should be to get the external antenna mounted and splitter installed so everything i

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-05-02 Thread Wes
Good question and the answer is, I don't know.  The photo shows June 2018, but who know whether that's representative.  Being antsy, I opted to buy from a seller in the US with quick shipping, rather than waiting six weeks for one from Asia. On 5/1/2020 8:37 PM, Bill Notfaded wrote: Did you

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-05-01 Thread Wes
Hi Bob, According to the USPS tracking number I'll have a BG7TBL GPSDO on Monday :-) I really wanted to "Buy American" but a 10 dB price difference is worth taking the risk. Wes On 5/1/2020 7:29 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi I would guess that the vast majority of folks on the list a

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-05-01 Thread Wes
clearly didn't want to sell me anything, as exemplified by a fee of $47 to use a credit card. As much as I would like to be more nutty, I can't justify spending this kind of money just to participate in ARRL FMTs where the only direction I have to go is down. Wes  N7WS On 4/24/2020 11:56 AM

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-04-24 Thread Wes
Hi Bob, Honestly, I don't have any particular holdover requirements in mind, just that it has some :-)  This is just one of those nutty things.  You must understand. Wes  N7WS On 4/24/2020 10:14 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Wes wrote: No, I'm not looking

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-04-24 Thread Wes
Taking some of the advice offered, I've emailed them for P  I'll let you know if I hear back. Wes On 4/24/2020 10:45 AM, Kevin Rowett wrote: On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Mark Spencer wrote: Speaking both as an amateur radio operator and some one who modestly pursues precision time

[time-nuts] GPSDO advice

2020-04-24 Thread Wes
, with better performance (holdover). The Jackson Lab FireFly-IIA  and the lookalike Symmetricom GPS-2500 both look interesting.  But, price and availability are elusive.  Any advice on these or alternatives will be appreciated. Wes   N7WS ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 performance

2020-01-05 Thread Wes
to tweak whatever it was. I was forever grateful that we never fired any of these in anger. Wes  N7WS On 1/5/2020 7:50 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Well, back in the 1970’s the orders went out for most government labs that they *must* power gear down at night. They had to re-wire so that the

Re: [time-nuts] FA2 Programming

2019-10-05 Thread Wes
Thank you, Mark. That worked beautifully.  BTW, for my unit and taste, a value of 45 was the best compromise between contrast and viewing angle.  The latter changes with contrast. Wes On 10/3/2019 3:54 PM, Mark Sims wrote: The command $Cxx* will set the contrast. xx can be 00 to 63

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-05 Thread Wes
On 10/4/2019 12:17 PM, MLewis wrote: With audio signals, a soldered crimp is one of the worst possible connections.  Please explain. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] FA2 Programming

2019-10-03 Thread Wes
done any programming? Wes  N7WS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] FA2 counter

2019-09-27 Thread Wes
An impedance sweep of the input might give a clue about the LPF.  When I get mine I'll measure it. On 9/27/2019 11:43 AM, Mark Sims wrote: A list member did some experimenting with the unit and came up with this very useful information: "press and hold RST button, then MODE toggles LPF (low

Re: [time-nuts] FA2 counter

2019-09-27 Thread Wes
Thanks for the input.  I just ordered one. (My 78th birthday will be next month. I should be downsizing but here I am buying more stuff.) Wes  N7WS On 9/26/2019 6:25 PM, Mark Sims wrote: Miy FA2 came in today. A very quick test shows that it works. It does not appear to have the -0.0002

Re: [time-nuts] FA-2 Precision Frequency Counter BG7TBL 20190622

2019-09-04 Thread Wes
I saw that too a few days ago and was intrigued.  It sort of looks like an FA1 with some smarts and a display.  I'm also interested in others' experience. Wes On 9/4/2019 9:53 AM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote: Yo Bubba Dudes!, While looking on ebay at the BG7TBL FA1 analyzer I looked

Re: [time-nuts] FSA3011 Frequency Stability Analyzer, HP 8405A or TAPR TIC

2019-07-30 Thread Wes
no failures, but I did repair another one many years ago. (See: http://www.peakbagging.com/Electronic/HP8405A%20repair.pdf) One can digitize the analog outputs which I did for some test or another about 40 years ago. Wes  N7WS On 7/30/2019 5:30 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi The 8405 is a fine

Re: [time-nuts] Garmin GPS12XL V3.51

2019-04-06 Thread Wes
Mine had the batteries out for about a year.  Put some fresh ones in, turned it on and set it outside for several minutes. It located position and is showing today's date and time just fine.  Software version on mine is 4.58. Wes   It had to On 4/6/2019 12:10 AM, David J Taylor via time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-23 Thread Wes
I have a Fluke 87V that I bought from a fellow on one of these reflectors for about a third the price of new.  It does more than I need. A lesser model would be fine for general purpose use.  As we used to say in the lab at work, "If it works, it's a Fluke." Wes  N7WS On 3/23/20

Re: [time-nuts] HP History with Dymec: "Becoming Hewlett Packard. Why Strategic Leadership Matters"

2019-01-24 Thread Wes
It does have a couple of Timenuts stories:  "The High-Speed Frequency Counter---A new Solution to an Old Problem", which describes the HP 524 from January 1951 and  "A New Performance of the "Flying Clock" Experiment" from July 1964. Wes  N7WS On 1/23/2019 6:41 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Modern signal generators

2018-12-13 Thread Wes
and then closed the door.  The isolation dropped over 20 dB. Wes  N7WS On 12/12/2018 10:56 AM, jimlux wrote: At JPL we regularly do measurements of signals at <-150 dBm into sensitive deep space receivers, and we're obsessive about phase (since that's how we measure the distance to spacecr

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Board

2018-10-26 Thread Wes
I'm not up to doing the whole project, but I would certain be interested in 2 or 3 boards for sure. Wes  Stewart  N7WS On 10/26/2018 5:51 AM, Bob Martin wrote: Bert,   That looks like a useful board. Certainly some of the oscillators I'm giving away would fit nicely on it.  Since it looks

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Wes
I'd look for the appropriate crystals. If it will help, I have a 250.00 kHz one you can have. Wes  N7WS On 9/14/2018 9:14 AM, lstosk...@cox.net wrote: Off topic for this list, but you guys are experts in oscillator noise! Playing with some mechanical filters. Need USB and LSB crystals

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

2018-08-30 Thread Wes
Before retiring I did some field work on the Tomahawk AGR (https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/gps_anti-jam) Wes  N7WS  On 8/30/2018 4:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: However, the short wavelengths of GPS make beam forming a reasonable countermeasure against jamming

Re: [time-nuts] Loss of NIST transmitters at Colorado and Hawaii

2018-08-12 Thread Wes
here and the gate is unlocked.  If you were to come in you could look at the antennas, but please stay in your car."  So we did. Wes On 8/12/2018 4:05 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Group, This subject needs some additional detail. I found an article with comments at https://swling.com/blog/20

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

2018-08-12 Thread Wes
which have immediate effect on lots of people. What are the effects on the budget of running WWV/WWVB?  The electric bill I would guess.  When John Q. Public's "atomic clock" stops working, they'll find a way to pay the bill. Wes On 8/12/2018 11:58 AM, djl wrote: Just a word:   When budge

[time-nuts] OCXO Support board

2018-07-02 Thread Wes
/AnalysIR/10mhz-ocxo-frequency-standard-module-or-kit/?pt=ac_prod_search with a footprint that will accept the MV80. Does anyone know of such a source? Thanks, Wes ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http