[time-nuts] f.s. SULZER 5A

2012-10-10 Thread Timeok
For sale a working Sulzer frequency standard 5A 5 MHz oscillator complete with power supply, rack mount. I ask 180 Euro. Location Italy. Example shipping cost: to Germany 40 Euro (via ground 10-15 Kg)no tracking nr. Other options available. Email me directly to: tim...@timeok.it Luciano

[time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread Murray Greenman
Corby, Power Basic certainly does the job. However, there's a fairly big learning curve. I use Just Basic, which is a FREE cut-down version of Liberty Basic. While there are a few limitations, and some things you need to do aren't entirely intuitive, it works very well and the serial comms

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/10/2012 06:30 AM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The satellites are in 12 hour orbits. Everything repeats every 12 hours. But the sun is on a 24 hr. period and if you did two 12 hour tests you don't want to do one at night and one in day. So start each test at the

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi! I forgot to mention, but the peak group delay of a pole pair is d_peak = 2*Q/w0 = Q / (pi * f0) Hence, the group delay increases linearly with increasing Q values. Shift the Q, and your delay vary, shift the center-frequency, and you dip off the peak. Cheers, Magnus On 10/09/2012

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi …. and if we have to go to something more exotic than simple two pole filters the group delay (and it's variation) has got to go up. At least some of the HP splitters have RF filters in them. The same is true of GPS receivers. A receiver or splitter in the attic will have many of the same

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread paul swed
Murray we offered up the same thing for pretty much the same reasons. Good to know I am in fine company. Hmmm Ham + free??? Any link? Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Murray Greenman denw...@orcon.net.nzwrote: Corby, Power Basic certainly does the job. However, there's a

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread paul swed
You know there is one other aspect of this question from Corby. How do I say this. Age. If you are using the old basics then things like the latest basic by different names are quite convoluted and distracting. They are designed for mobile phone apps. You know those crazy modern apps that sell. We

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
What aspects of USB would HP have used? Just the complexity of a USB OHCI/UHCI would have been economically prohibitive compared to an asynchronous serial UART. An OHCI/UHCI is more like an ethernet controller and those took up the space of entire expansion boards initially. What they did

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line, splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 10/10/2012 8:00 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The satellites are in 12 hour orbits. Everything repeats every 12 hours. But the sun is on a 24 hr. period and if you did two 12 hour tests you don't want to do one at night and one in day. So start

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line, splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread brooke
Hi: The reason for the GPS orbits is so that the ground track repeats. Have Fun, Brooke On 10/10/2012 8:00 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: The satellites are in 12 hour orbits. Everything repeats every 12 hours. But the sun is on a 24 hr. period

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread paul swed
David it was humor Regards On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: What aspects of USB would HP have used? Just the complexity of a USB OHCI/UHCI would have been economically prohibitive compared to an asynchronous serial UART. An OHCI/UHCI is more like an

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
Ah well, I missed it but only because I have seen other people make the same suggestion seriously in the recent past. Where is my box of 2102 DRAMs? I left it around here somewhere. On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:15:32 -0400, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: David it was humor Regards On Wed, Oct

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic???

2012-10-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Corby, Do consider John's TimeLab program: Windows, free, easy to use, wonderful live plots, phase, frequency, ADEV, etc. You will be amazed. Download from http://www.ke5fx.com/timelab/readme.htm It supports the SR620 directly as well as a number of other popular counters. For unusual

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If they had done USB instead of HPIB / GPIB, a lot of the drivers would have been out of service by the time Windows 95 came along. No chance at all of them working under Windows 7. For the complexity, it'd have been better if they used something more like Ethernet. Except in 1968, you would

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread Michael Tharp
On 10/10/2012 11:49 AM, Bob Camp wrote: No easy solution. Serial com is still with us because it's a lowest common denominator. I'm sitting here coding it into a new product right now (once the uber super compiler finishes a build). It's supported on just about every chip set in the universe. I

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Again, I'd say it's the lowest common denominator. Synchronous comm using RS-232 levels on a DB-25 came before asynchronous comm. It's long dead. Being first isn't *always* best. Same could be said of 125V / 60 ma current loops. I suspect serial will easily outlive RS-232 levels though. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread Don Latham
Commodore computers in the longago dimdark past serialized the GPIB. They started out with the GPIB as the disk drive and printer interface from the get-go. I used a Commodore as a cheap controller when Hp GPIB controllers cost a small fortune. Don David What aspects of USB would HP have used?

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line, splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/10/12 8:10 AM, bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi: The reason for the GPS orbits is so that the ground track repeats. Have Fun, Brooke and that makes it easy to predict visibility. Tomorrow will be the same as today, shifted by 4 minutes. ___

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line, splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
. Tomorrow will be the same as today, shifted by 4 minutes. Seems to work as a predictor for a lot of things :)... Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] Stanford RS620 Acting up

2012-10-10 Thread Eric Haskell
My RS620 became difficult to start some time back with me having to press the power button several times. Now it has been off a few months and will not turn on at all. The fan starts but no indicators. If I press on and off several time I saw the numeric LEDs flash briefly a few time but the

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/10/2012 01:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi …. and if we have to go to something more exotic than simple two pole filters the group delay (and it's variation) has got to go up. Yes and no. As you add pole-pairs, their group delay contributions adds up. However, as you add pole-pairs you

Re: [time-nuts] Stanford RS620 Acting up

2012-10-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The SR620 I worked on was unused for a long time, and would not turn on. Seems the power switch was oxidized and would not self-clean. Had to unmount it so I could use chemical cleaners without getting any residue on the case or PCB. IIRC the whole front panel needed to be pulled to do that

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 10/10/2012 01:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi …. and if we have to go to something more exotic than simple two pole filters the group delay (and it's variation) has got to go up. Yes and no. As you add

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/11/2012 12:03 AM, Bob Camp wrote: On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 10/10/2012 01:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi …. and if we have to go to something more exotic than simple two pole filters the group delay (and it's variation) has got to

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
On Oct 10, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 10/11/2012 12:03 AM, Bob Camp wrote: On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 10/10/2012 01:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi …. and if we have to go to something

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
I design in asynchronous serial for diagnostics all of the time. It is easy to galvanically isolate if necessary, is easy to debug, uses the fewest pins, and is well supported on both ends although if needed, USB to serial translation always seems to cause more problems than it solves. I do not

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-10 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I do know those that temperature stabilizes both the concrete pillar and cable conduct. I hadn't thought about the support pillar. CTE of concrete is 8-12 PPM/C, so a 10 C change would be 100 PPM. 10 meters would be 1000 micrometers or 1 mm. I think