Re: [time-nuts] WWVB for Time Nuts

2014-08-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 10 Aug 2014 05:39, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: (but, I gotta say that a lot of the patents that get published in the back of things like IEEE Ant and Prop Magazine seem, to me, to be pretty obvious..) I have not looked at patents recently, but most I have looked in the past are

Re: [time-nuts] Eureka, no more Cs, active or passive H-masers or GPSDOs needed

2014-09-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 10 Sep 2014 17:36, Brian Lloyd br...@lloyd.aero wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it wrote: I skimmed through the patent but did not read it in detail. There may be some nugget in there that represents something new but nothing jumped out at me.

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 Nov 2012 14:12, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I've got an HP 8720D VNA. This has been out of support from Agilent for 8 years, so its getting on a bit. There's a clock in the instrument which keeps the date and time. This is losing about 1 day per month (rough guess), so

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 12 Sep 2014 03:35, Alex Pummer a...@pcscons.com wrote: No that is to much, except if you overdrive it and you are so lucky that after it broke it is still working on a different frequency, but I would suggest check your frequency counter too, because 3% off of a clock frequency wold make the

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900-2100 GMT) On 12

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 13 Sep 2014 01:23, Alexander Pummer alex...@ieee.org wrote: just open the box, look for the wires which going to the magnet which drives the minute hand and measure the period time -- not the frequency, it is to low yes analog quarz clock slows down as the battery get old, you will be

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 13 Sep 2014 04:39, David McGaw n1...@dartmouth.edu wrote: The battery probably was going weak and the oscillator coming out of full control by the crystal. The tuning-fork crystal used in RTCs is not as high-Q as a MHz crystal. I have noticed clocks using these can go quite slow at low

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 11 Sep 2014 04:35, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I've ordered the PWM version of the PIC, and hopefully, since it's the motor control version (as opposed to the audio version) it will have much better noise performance. I don't know the PIC but I would have thought chips for audio would

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
OOPS! CORRECTION. I don't know the PIC but I would have thought chips for audio would be optimised for low noise far MOOR than one for driving motors. Ears are more sensitive to a bit of noise than motors. I assume I have misunderstood you. Dave ___

Re: [time-nuts] Homemade GPS Receiver

2014-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 17 Sep 2014 23:38, Peter Putnam n...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Greetings, The link below describes a homemade GPS receiver. It is presented in a detailed and elegant manner that is certain to appeal to this reflector's subscribers. Peter http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm I don't

Re: [time-nuts] Homemade GPS Receiver

2014-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 Sep 2014 13:01, Andrea Baldoni erm1ea...@ermione.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:07:56AM +0100, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: I don't understand the units of signal strength The L1 carrier is spread over a 2 MHz bandwidth and its strength at the Earth's

Re: [time-nuts] Homemade GPS Receiver

2014-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 September 2014 13:52, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@gmail.com wrote: From gpsinformation.net: In the frequency allocation filing the L1 C/A power is listed as 25.6 Watts. The Antenna gain is listed at 13 dBi. Thus, based on the frequency allocation filing, the power would be about

[time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
The 10 MHz high stability oscillator (option 1D5) in my HP 8720D VNA has the following specs Stability 0 to 55 deg C, +-/ 0.05 ppm Aging per year +/- 0.5 ppm What sort of oscillator is this likely to be - TCXO or OCXO? Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office:

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 03:11, Alexander Pummer alex...@ieee.org wrote: that is most likelly a TXCO, what is in the user's manual about warm up time? Two people responded - one says a OCXO and the other an TCXO!! The warmup time is I think an hour, but clearly that is not the time for an oven to warm

[time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am looking for a quick simple way to create a frequency of 200 MHz from 10 MHz. Actually 100, 200, 300 or 400 MHz would all work, but 200 MHz would be my preference. The input will be around 0 to +10 dBm and the output needs to be about +13 dBm. I did think of a x5 x4 frequency multipliers

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 11:37, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: There's a pretty excellent 10-200 MHz multiplier in your HP5370. Consider using it for an experiment to see if your idea even works... I know longer have that - I sold it to someone on this list, then later regretted selling

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 14:49, dlewis dlewis6...@austin.rr.com wrote: If you can use 90 MHz, . No, I would really like to keep it an integer multiple of 100 MHz. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 13:14, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: Dave: Check out w1ghz.org. Paul has some designs (and boards) that can lock different oscillators to a reference. He uses a long time constant to manage phase noise. Thanks, I have dropped him an email. He has one at 200 MHz,

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 12:40, Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com wrote: I use this for my qs1r (125MHz) and to discipline a sound card (24.576MHz). http://www.valontechnology.com/5007%20synthesizer.html http://www.valontechnology.com/3008%20divider.html I actually have one 5007 sandwiched between

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 15:52, David McGaw n1...@dartmouth.edu wrote: The temperature stability and warm-up time imply an OCXO. 0.05ppm over 0-55C is at the limit of what can be achieved with a TCXO but they do not have a long warm-up time. It would be expensive and only would be used if

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 11:37, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: There's a pretty excellent 10-200 MHz multiplier in your HP5370. Consider using it for an experiment to see if your idea even works... -- Poul-Henning Kamp This response on the Keysight forum by a VNA guru

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 September 2014 19:37, Tom Miller tmiller11...@verizon.net wrote: Looks like I am having crow for lunch today. I did find the 1D5 installation instructions and at first it looked like the standard OCXO package used in many HP instruments. But some closer reading shows that it may in fact

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 02:05, Tom Miller tmiller11...@verizon.net wrote: Dave, do you have access to a good counter? Not really. I have an HP 7 modular measurement system, which has all the bits for a 22 GHz spectrum analyzer. The analyzer has a frequency counter mode, but I have not written any

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 00:27, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: The next clue is the attached photo found at: Agilent 08753-60158 Opt. 1D5 for 8753D/E/ES http://www.ebay.com/itm/151256172424 Note that is for an 8753 (3/6 GHz) series VNA, not the 8719/20/22, which are 13.5, 20 and 40 GHz

Re: [time-nuts] Any simple way to get 200 MHz from 10 MHz?

2014-09-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Sep 2014 13:19, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: Dave: Check out w1ghz.org. Paul has some designs (and boards) that can lock different oscillators to a reference. He uses a long time constant to manage phase noise. I looked into that but it is an expensive way. PCBs are $6 each!!!

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 17:58, Bob Raker bob.ra...@gmail.com wrote: It is a low end OCXO - uses AT cut crystal. 15V @ 300 mA. Warm-up time is 6 minutes max for .1 ppm. Other specs as indicated in previous emails. Has NO EFC. Where do you get this information from? I think I am going to take the

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 Sep 2014 20:06, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uksaid: Unfortunately Keysight have now sold all the cables, but do have the front panel overlay which is arguably the most critical item. Spending £500 on 5 cables and a front panel overly is more

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Sep 2014 08:46, REEVES Paul paul.ree...@uk.thalesgroup.com wrote: David, Just a thought but have you tried Pasternack? They do 'custom' precision cabling including 2.4mm connector options. regards, Paul, G8GJA Hi Paul, I don't know how good Pasternack are - I have seen some

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 29 September 2014 22:45, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi The information came from the HP data sheet on the oscillator. They provide it to the people who manufacture the oscillators for them. Bob Can you share the data sheet? Dave On Sep 29, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Dr. David Kirkby

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Sep 2014 14:16, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 9/30/14, 12:44 AM, REEVES Paul wrote: David, Just a thought but have you tried Pasternack? They do 'custom' precision cabling including 2.4mm connector options. regards, Paul, G8GJA Rather than Pasternack, you might find

[time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Following on from my question the other day about the type of oscillator in the HP 8720D VNA, I finally got around to setting this up on the spectrum analyzer today. Luckily, some software I wrote back in 2008 for a friends HP 7 system was easy to modify to grab the save the frequency. So I

[time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Further to my question the other day about what type of oscillator was used in the HP 8720D VNA, fitted with the high stability oscillator option (1D5), here is the frequency as the instrument is switched on, after being powered off for 2-3 hours. The oscillator appears to start too high in

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 2 Oct 2014 07:10, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: David, The character of starting high/low and then stabilize some 5-30 min later is typical of oven oscillators. Underdamped ovens have been seen before, I have even seen one on the brink of oscillation. Thank you. Do you

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 October 2014 07:57, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: This answers my original curiosity now - did I have an OCXO or TCXO. With that curve it is definitely an OCXO, and my guess is that it is an SC-cut, which matches starting +40 ppm high (if I recall things correctly).

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 October 2014 13:24, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Dave, Hi Tom Thanks for the raw data. Attached is my plot. Your data looks ok to me. Great If you're interested here are some random comments about your 8720D-1D5-oscillator-frequency.csv file: Sure - Thanks for including

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5 oscillator after switch on

2014-10-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 October 2014 23:03, John Miles j...@miles.io wrote: I just stuck an offer on a SRS 620, which is sold as seen. I'll take a chance it works if my offer is accepted. The 5370B is still the only high-performance counter that I own, personally. SR620s are fine as far as they go, Is it me,

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of frequency of HP 8720D option 1D5oscillator after switch on

2014-10-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Oct 2014 03:26, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Again, either one is fine for time nut use. One of these days I should do a detailed performance comparison among a large set of both counters. /tvb I was actually going to suggest that it would be really nice to see a comparison

[time-nuts] Yokogawa TA320 Time Interval Analyzer

2014-10-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I see this on eBay http://m.ebay.com/itm/220505574616 Note that the seller has misspelled the manufacturers name. Has anyone used one? I have never even heard of this manufacturer - I guess it is Chinese. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
There's a discussion on the ukmicrowave list about combining the power from two 10 GHz Gunn oscillators with a magic T. One might expect to get nearly double the power if the two oscillators are combined. What people are observing is getting more than double the power. To quote from

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:18, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: David the locking makes sense but the other numbers do not make sense. Combined best case would be +3 DBm also you say the current on the diodes goes down. More power for less power in is not adding up. I agree. However, the fact that

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:26, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi It’s called injection locking. The two oscillators (or what ever) lock up at exactly the same frequency and some arbitrary phase. Depending on the amplitude and phase at the sum point, the result can be anything from +6 db to zero power.

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:15, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Hi, I came across this phenomena when transmitting with two 5KW transmitters via separate parabolic antennas to a satellite. If the phase of the TXs was correct the received signal at the satellite was 6db hotter! I can explain that easy

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 00:26, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on your detector is it a Voltage or power. 3DBM or 6 DBV are the same. Paul WB8TSL You are mistaken. A 3 dB increase in signal level is a 3 dB increase - there's no need to say if power or voltage. The formula for computing

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 23:52, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: HI In the case of a magic Tee or a normal power splitter (both passive devices), the current will not be limited by the combiner or the source. With a proper combiner, the source will always be running into 50 ohms. You will indeed get 6 db in

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 22:17, Andrew Rodland and...@cleverdomain.org wrote: You pick up satellite TV with a parabolic dish that points at one spot in the sky where the geostationary satellite lives. A sun outage happens when the sun wanders into the focus and overloads the receiver with noise that

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-09 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 9 Oct 2014 23:28, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Dave: The small size of the Ku-band TV dish and that it's surface is covered with a flat type paint means there's little or no thermal heating of the receiver or feed. There were cases with the early C-band TVRO systems where

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-11 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 11 Oct 2014 16:25, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: If I could get 1200W by combining two 300W amplifiers, I would now be retired and very wealthy indeed. Unfortunately, there is no free lunch and unless somehow the Gun oscillators were delivering more power when connected to the magic

Re: [time-nuts] locking oscillators - an increase in power and/or stability ?

2014-10-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 8 Oct 2014 20:18, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: David the locking makes sense but the other numbers do not make sense. Combined best case would be +3 DBm also you say the current on the diodes goes down. More power for less power in is not adding up. I went to a users meeting

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 17 Oct 2014 19:33, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hello Jim, let me answer through Time Nuts as this may interest other parties as well. Yes, using a fast flip flop to generate 10MHz out of the 20MHz TCXO 3.0V CMOS output from the LTE-Lite module will preserve the

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am sorry, but I can't follow the circuit diagram. It is not clear to me what pins are joined, and what are not. Sometimes you have used a filled circle to indicate lines are joined, and in another case there's a semicircle to indicate that they are not. But on some of the others, I don't

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Oct 2014 04:48, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: A friend of mine is looking for an ADC that can do 5 bits at 20-40 gigasamples/second... there is a timing related component to the project. Any ideas of who makes a decent beastie? It needs to supply continuous data so things like a

[time-nuts] BBC TV program Click has material about GPS jamming and e Loran

2014-11-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Click is a short TV program produced by the BBC about tech related things. Anyway, the issue I see today (1/11/2014) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04p21jv had a bit about GPS failure, GPS jamming, and use of eLORAN as a backup. *Hopefully* you can see it on the BBC iPlayer if interested,

Re: [time-nuts] Mercury Ion Clock

2014-11-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Nov 2014 16:50, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: behind a scintillator) The 40 GHz stuff these days is not nearly as exotic as it used to be. The challenge might be test equipment when you're debugging your 40 GHz synthesis chain. There's a fair amount of test equipment around to 40.0

Re: [time-nuts] Mercury Ion Clock

2014-11-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 3 Nov 2014 02:59, Bert Kehren via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: I respectfully disagree. Before getting totally submerged in time nuts issues I did extensive work on signal sources up to 40 GHz as a hobby. So I have since the early 90's sweeper, synthesizer, power meter, mixer for

Re: [time-nuts] Mercury Ion Clock

2014-11-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 3 November 2014 12:58, Bert Kehren via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Do not want to get off list subject but again have to disagree. Lets's leave it there. Just checked my buys and on July 1st 2012 I bought a Wiltron 6740B 40 GHz excellent condition for $332 total cost. That was

Re: [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 6 November 2014 18:09, xaos x...@darksmile.net wrote: I just cant figure out what it is ;) http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5071A-Primary-Frequency-Standard-/191386439159?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c8f854df7 One obvious question: Are the leftover parts worth anything close to the

Re: [time-nuts] Yet another GPSDO

2014-11-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 18 Nov 2014 23:39, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Assuming that the number that looks like a date on the front panel is indeed a date, the gizmo was designed about 3 months ago. The OCXO looks a *lot* like a surplus Morion part. I think I’ll let somebody else go first on doing all the

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Said, For a general purpose lab source, to feed things like * 22 GHz spectrum analyzer * 4.5 and 20 GHz signal generators * 3 and 20 GHz VNAs * 20 or 40 GHz frequency counter (I'm just looking to buy one) what would you think is the best one to get - 10 or 20 MHz ? Or toss a coin? Dave Dr.

[time-nuts] HP 5342A (18 GHz) vs 5352B (40 GHz) frequency counters

2014-11-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am looking for a microwave frequency counter and won an auction for an 18 GHz 5342A with the GPIB option today @ £200 (GBP). I have just paid for that. I also have the chance to get a 5352B 40 GHz counter for £500. That has GPIB as standard. In the short/medium term I don't see much use for a

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] HP 5342A (18 GHz) vs 5352B (40 GHz) frequency counters

2014-11-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 21 Nov 2014 23:24, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net [hp_agilent_equipment] hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 11/21/2014 04:51 PM, 'Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)' drkir...@gmail.com [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote: I am looking for a microwave frequency counter and won

[time-nuts] SR620 - any gotchas buying a used one?

2014-11-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
After regrettably selling my 5370B a few years ago, I decided to look for a used SR620. Are there any particular issues with these that could be tested by the seller prior to shipping it? I have not downloaded the manual yet, but I assume there's a basic test in there - probably similar to that

[time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I would like to make a unit with multiple 10 MHz 50 Ohm outputs to feed my various bits of test equipment. I am thinking about some practical considerations. 1) It would be great if there was a circuit published which can give 50 Ohn output impedance from a 12-15 power supply, which a) Doesn't

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 23 Nov 2014 14:45, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi If you have a basement in your house / building I do not. —and — it’s dry and reasonably draft free (no garage doors opening up from time to time) My lab is a room which is part of the garage! Just about everything is against me with

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 23 Nov 2014 17:49, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message canx10hb0kdrnaayzgvm1gkduj7gklth0acdxczg894hxbus...@mail.gmail.com , Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) writes: He installs ground source heat pumps for the geothermal energy. He says

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 23 Nov 2014 16:25, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: For plots and photos showing performance with, and without, and with insulation see: http://leapsecond.com/pages/LTE-Lite/ The difference is dramatic, especially if you are used to working with OCXO where this sort of effect does not

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-11-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 24 November 2014 at 03:44, Said Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: On the 20MHz units there is already a strong buffer that can drive 50 Ohms terminations so adding a buffer in front of the coax connector on that version would have just added unnecessary phase and AM noise,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:42, Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote: I'm putting it in the recommended Hammond enclosure powered by a USB cable from my PC. I had originally planned to use the wall wart provided but I want to get status from the unit without hacking a window in the top to see the

Re: [time-nuts] NIST isolation amplifiers

2014-11-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 Nov 2014 23:10, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi For a modern build, the PZT3904’s and PZT’s are a pretty good way to go with this amp. For normal distribution to instruments, there’s really no need to do anything this complex. Bob I am also thinking about the construction of a

[time-nuts] SR620 - register as being warmed up ????

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I am hoping to buy a SR620 from a seller who is not familiar with the instrument, but who 1) Has knowledge of electronic test equipment in general. 2) Is willing to test the SR620 before an international shipment. This puts me in a somewhat better position than typicall eBay sale with comments

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:51, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Jim, please remember you need proper lightning protection if you put the antenna outside.. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

[time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Said mentioned on an earlier thread that if a GPS antenna is used outside, lightening protection should be used. This immediately reminded me of something that happened about 10 years ago to me 1) Lightening damaged my ADSL modem. It because totally dead. 2) Every computer and a printer connected

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 26 November 2014 at 22:14, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: You CAN (almost) lightening proof your system. BUT if the almost is not quite enough, one could damage a lot of expensive test kit. Remember that Ethernet is always gavalically isolated by transformers I lost

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 01:14, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: After this minimum you have th think about the probability of a strike. If you live in Orlando Florida then it might be 100% and nearly zero in other places and then you ask what the radio equipment cost. I paid $18 for

[time-nuts] Convert Stanford Research SR620 time-interval counter to SR625 ???

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I finally paid for a used SR620 http://www.thinksrs.com/products/SR620.htm today, after the seller has done quite a few tests on it, so hopefully I should have a good one. I note Stanford Research also do an SR625 http://www.thinksrs.com/products/SR625.htm which seems to have two differences

[time-nuts] Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
The HP 5342A has an optional oven oscillator. I just bought one of those counters, but mine has a TCXO and is about 50 kHz off at 10 GHz. I'm sure I can trim it closer than that, but if possible I'd like to stick an oven oscillator in it. Does anyone know what is involved? I have at least one

Re: [time-nuts] Convert Stanford Research SR620 time-interval counter to SR625 ???

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 22:15, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi David: Hi Brooke If you look just to the right of the SR620 you will see a separate box that contains the PRS10. Ah, I missed that!!! I was thinking it fitted inside the SR620, but obviously not. The PRS10 can work

[time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
There's a seller on eBay selling what he says is Z3801A upgraded to 58503A. One or two things have made me a bit suspicious of that seller - nothing to do with his GPS things. Does anyone know what he does? He also have an 58503A, but that's a couple of hundred $'s more than an upgraded Z3801A.

Re: [time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 23:03, Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com wrote: Get the Fury. Plug and play. Any idea of the price? I was thinking about that, and was going to ask Said what the price is, but if you have a rough idea, I would be interested to know. I might suggest he puts them on eBay too

Re: [time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Dr David Kirkby On 27 Nov 2014 23:27, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Dave: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171504585820 http://www.prc68.com/I/LTE-LiteGPSDO.html Brooke Clarke I was aware of them, and are still contemplating getting one, but the Fury from Jackson Labs uses an OCXO,

Re: [time-nuts] Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 22:38, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: The HP 5342A has an optional oven oscillator. I just bought one of those counters, but mine has a TCXO and is about 50 kHz off at 10 GHz. I'm sure I can trim it closer than

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Nov 2014 05:55, Orin Eman orin.e...@gmail.com [hp_agilent_equipment] hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Weren't you looking at the LTE Lite? It should do fine as long as you can get the antenna well situated (not necessarily outdoors, some of us get along with having it in an

Re: [time-nuts] Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 November 2014 at 22:38, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: It was very easy to fit the 10811A oven (HP 10811-60111) and get the oven working snip With the old TCXO in the frequency counter, the indicated frequency of the 10 GHz signal

[time-nuts] What's best an HP 58503A, Z3805A, or Z3801A upgraded to 58503A?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I'm seriously giving consideration to getting an HP frequency standard, and are looking at some from the Chinese seller yixunhk on eBay. I would be interested in the views of people on the merits of these 5 quite similar items as a GPS locked frequency standard. I'm not really so bothered about

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 November 2014 at 15:05, fjdvr...@zonnet.nl [hp_agilent_equipment] hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dave, I have had a 10811 in the 5342A. Not really a problem. However the thing is that while your counter is switched off the outside temp of the oven warms up, no surprise

Re: [time-nuts] What's best an HP 58503A, Z3805A, or Z3801A upgraded to 58503A?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Nov 2014 16:17, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: 1) Z3805A http://www.ebay.com/itm/251527236609 * 16 channels * double oven * dual outputs * $499 + free carriage 2) Z3805A http://www.ebay.com/itm/271324714268 * 8-Channels GPS Receive * 6-Channel GPS Parallel tracking *

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 November 2014 at 21:38, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi You *know* what’s going to happen (it always does): You’ll get the LTE sold and the next day another project will pop up that it would be absolutely perfect for :) Bob I don't know what the warranty situation would be on a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 15 Mhz and 10 Mhz

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Dec 2014 03:35, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: OK so it was not as hard as I thought getting all of teh screws out. The harder part is getting the actual board to slip out of the back. After getting to the bottom I found a locked 10 Mhz signal on U206 pin 1 somewhat of a sine wave

[time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or better than the reference fed into the SR620? I see plots of ADEV for hydrogen masers, but I can't understand how this can be measured from

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 December 2014 at 16:54, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I've just won a Symmetricom / Datum PRS45A PRS45-0001K - Single Cesium PRS-45 DS1 on ebay from a guy in the Netherlands. $900 seems cheap. I'm surprised you made an offer when it was $975. I bet you would have been sick if you

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-12-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 2 Dec 2014 03:10, wb6dgn_...@att.net[hp_agilent_equipment] hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Isn't the 10811 a double oven oscillator (an oven within an oven)? I also believe it has anticipator circuitry to predict changes based on environmental parameters. Or...am I confusing

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A: How to correct a 1024 week date error?

2014-12-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 3 Dec 2014 02:08, James Robbins jsrobb...@earthlink.net wrote: Brief update: This receiver (whatever it is) refuses to forget 1995 despite un-powering, etc. I will learn to live with it, I think. You could report it to the seller as a fault. He must have quite a bit of experience on

Re: [time-nuts] Convert Stanford Research SR620 time-interval counter to SR625 ???

2014-12-03 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 28 Nov 2014 02:06, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I’ve just replaced the SR620 oxco option 01 with a Morion, by simply adding a 7812 to the 15 v heater Did the SR620 have option 01 before you did the mod? In other words, did you change to the Moxen because you believe it is better than

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 07:05, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: David it always does a survey. Though even while doing that the frequency output is fine after its had a bit to stabilize. I wanted to bring the survey lamp out to a front panel LED however that appeared to be more work

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 13:56, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Time to stock up on those transformers, mixers, amplifiersgrin Throughout the month of December, all online orders of any quantity of any Mini-Circuits catalog model from our web store on minicircuits.com will receive a 10% *discount!

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 12:23, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Shipping across the atlantic has become silly expensive over the last decade. There are a *lot* of organizations that are behind the curve on figuring out how to do it cheaply. Bob I ship VNA calibration kits across the Atlantic almost every

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 13:19, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: I think the name light pipe has been supplanted by fiber-optic. -Chuck Harris Technically I agree that they have a lot in common. But I think the large devices, which are often not cylindrical, are usually called light pipes.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 20:05, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel. I Googled flexible light pipe (no quotes in the Google search) and got loads of hits for them.

[time-nuts] Did a member of time-nuts buy this?

2014-12-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I see this cesium reference on eBay, where apparently someone returned it due to the fact it had a bad tube. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5061A-Cesium-Beam-Frequency-Standard-FOR-PARTS-REPAIR-/141483787108 I'm wondering if it was someone on this list. It is likely to be practical to

Re: [time-nuts] Did a member of time-nuts buy this?

2014-12-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 6 Dec 2014 17:58, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Well a bad tube is a bad tube and thats been my story. Though for $125 how can I complain. But for $999 plus $79 shipping no interest at all. When the tubes used up its used up. Generally. Regards Paul WB8TSL I have never looked a

Re: [time-nuts] Did a member of time-nuts buy this?

2014-12-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 6 Dec 2014 18:33, Bert Kehren via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: be done, the real issue who would buy one people that need Cesium will pay the price for a new one and time nuts would not spend the money for a working rebuild tube. Where is the market? There's a professional market

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