Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-19 Thread Jess Holle
Overall, JAXP is a very painful thing to those deploying any intensive XML or XSLT that might care what implementation is used and not having the luxury of dictating this implementation to everything else in the JVM. For instance, JAXP requires a separate classloader to change the XML or XSLT

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-19 Thread Jess Holle
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote: [back from vacation :-)] Costin Manolache wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-16 Thread Jeanfrancois Arcand
[back from vacation :-)] Costin Manolache wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing up for JDK 1.5, we might

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-16 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Costin Manolache wrote: - jdk1.3 - it'll work if you add your own parser in common/lib or jre/lib/ext or classpath - jdk1.4 - because the parser in jdk1.4 is an old xerces, xml schema validation might fail, everything else should work. - jdk1.5 - AFAIK everything should work. The reason

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-16 Thread Costin Manolache
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing up for JDK 1.5, we might want to make 1.4 the

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Rainer Jung
We are using it also and it is very helpful. It is one of the standard product features of a container to be able to seperate container product installation from runtime instance specific files. It works very nicely with tomcat. We can even allow instance admins to extend TC by changing to an

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hola, OK, feedback well put. Thanks, Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics -Original Message- From: Rainer Jung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 4:10 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release We are using it also and it is very

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Petr Jiricka
Costin Manolache wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing up for JDK 1.5, we might want to make 1.4 the

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hola, I must say I don't fully understand the above. So what exactly will happen if the common/endorsed directory is removed? What will stop working and on which platform(s)? Are there any specific pointers to bug ids or discussions, that would explain why the endorsed directory was added in the

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Costin Manolache
Petr Jiricka wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing up for JDK 1.5, we might want to

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Costin Manolache
To clarify: I wasn't proposing to remove the separate product installation and runtime, but the contrary - to make that the default. Right now tomcat operates in 2 modes - one where CATALINA_HOME is identical with CATALINA_BASE, and one where you have them separate ( like you use ). I think it

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-13 Thread Remy Maucherat
Costin Manolache wrote: If you remove common/endorsed: - jdk1.3 - it'll work if you add your own parser in common/lib or jre/lib/ext or classpath - jdk1.4 - because the parser in jdk1.4 is an old xerces, xml schema validation might fail, everything else should work. - jdk1.5 - AFAIK everything

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-12 Thread Petr Jiricka
FYI - progress on the 5.0.28 changes: Petr Jiricka wrote: - The Sun Developer Tools group would like to include into this release several bug fixes in the Jasper area, that are currently available in the trunk (5.1.x codebase), and that affect NetBeans 4.0 functionality, such as JSP debugging

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-12 Thread George Sexton
How about stopping support for that scenario? I mean drop the CATALINA_BASE versus CATALINA_HOME feature, (or set them to always equal each other, if we want to leave them in the code base), and don't allow users to share installations except by the user home directory valve. I am

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Costin Manolache
I'm sorry, but can't remember - why do we still need the endorsed ? I tought they were a temporary solution for JDK1.4 and some validation problems - tomcat should work fine with any SAX/DOM parser, including the one in JDK1.4. The only problem is JDK1.3 - and I agree that it would be better to

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Petr Jiricka
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, A TOMCAT_5_0 branch was created at the time 5.0.27 was released. I'm not gung-ho about making significant Tomcat 5.0 additions and enhancements, given the advanced state of Tomcat 5.1 development. If there's a showstopper, security, or spec-compliance bug than of course

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Petr Jiricka
Remy Maucherat wrote: Petr Jiricka wrote: - Continue to deliver a stable release of Tomcat in roughly 1 month intervals. One of the reasons why Tomcat is so highly valued in the community is because the time between finding a bug and deliveing the fix is very short, thanks to the short release

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Petr Jiricka
Costin Manolache wrote: I'm sorry, but can't remember - why do we still need the endorsed ? I tought they were a temporary solution for JDK1.4 and some validation problems - tomcat should work fine with any SAX/DOM parser, including the one in JDK1.4. This would be good, if it's indeed

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing up for JDK 1.5, we might want to make 1.4 the minimum. I'm +0.5 on this. As for the nature of

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Marx, Mitchell E \(Mitch\), ALABS
I for one use the CATALINA_BASE vs CATALINA_HOME Mitchell Marx -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Jess Holle
I would have to agree with the gentlemen from Sun and NetBeans that it is preferable to have a standard stable version bundled with other products as opposed to some other file set which one cannot independently reproduce. Why? Users of NetBeans, etc, would like to know that they can reproduce

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Costin Manolache
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I have a couple of only-slightly-related comments, but related nonetheless so I'll put them here. Re: endorsed directories. Do we still want to support JDK 1.3 in Tomcat 5.1? Since we're gearing up for JDK 1.5, we might want to make 1.4 the minimum. I'm +0.5 on this.

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-10 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hola, I'm using JDK1.3 most of the time, and I think a lot of other people and companies are still using it. I don't mind having the default distribution built for 1.4+ ( no xerces ), with instructions on how to get the additional jars for 1.3. But I think it would be very bad to not be able to

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-09 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi, A TOMCAT_5_0 branch was created at the time 5.0.27 was released. I'm not gung-ho about making significant Tomcat 5.0 additions and enhancements, given the advanced state of Tomcat 5.1 development. If there's a showstopper, security, or spec-compliance bug than of course it will be fixed and

RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-09 Thread Shapira, Yoav
, 2004 1:05 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: Tomcat 5.0.28 release Hi, A TOMCAT_5_0 branch was created at the time 5.0.27 was released. I'm not gung-ho about making significant Tomcat 5.0 additions and enhancements, given the advanced state of Tomcat 5.1 development. If there's

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-09 Thread Remy Maucherat
Petr Jiricka wrote: - Continue to deliver a stable release of Tomcat in roughly 1 month intervals. One of the reasons why Tomcat is so highly valued in the community is because the time between finding a bug and deliveing the fix is very short, thanks to the short release cycles. The community

Re: Tomcat 5.0.28 release

2004-08-09 Thread Tim Funk
Didn't we already try that with the tomcat 4 LE edition? -Tim Remy Maucherat wrote: My current idea for the new branch is to ship a JDK 1.5 bundle with a separate zip/tar.gz to easily install the additional binaries when using JDK 1.4-. This will be smaller (no JMX, no Xerces) and maybe higher