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If you find Tomcat hard to setup and use there are other options. Several vendors actually use Apache and Tomcat as OEM for their web application servers. One of them is Borland, who's Application Server (web server edition) http://www.borland.com/besweb/ provides a nice management GUI for start

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On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Turner, John wrote: > You're forgetting that Tomcat is a reference implementation. This is not actually true in the legal sense, or really any longer relevant in the practical sense. In the legal sense, Tomcat code is *used in* the reference implementation for J2EE, which

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> -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:43 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: I don¥t understand the objective of this open list ! > > referred to the mail archives). At least with a ven

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Chemistry is paying off...:) In a whimsical mood, Mike - Original Message - From: "Hamilton, Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective

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on´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > "Turner, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sorry, Dave. I don't use JK2, that is why I didn't reply. > I figured I > > would be wasting your time by making suggestions. I'

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"Turner, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry, Dave. I don't use JK2, that is why I didn't reply. I figured I > would be wasting your time by making suggestions. I'm sure there are > perfectly valid reasons why others did not reply. I understand that. > Sometimes you don't get a respons

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Chemistry is paying off...:) In a whimsical mood, Mike - Original Message - From: "Hamilton, Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective

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2 HOWTOs out there beyond the one from pubbitch.org. Perhaps they may be of some help. John > -Original Message- > From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective

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Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Our company has a very young, inexperienced appserver administrator > who had Tomcat up an running in a matter of minutes (literally) > without a CD library of professionally drafted set of documentation. With an Apache connector? Running as a nonprivileged user

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Oooops! This must have been sent in error! Or, are we all (Tomcat User List) going to be taken to court? -Original Message- From: micael Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:58 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! This electronic mail

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Oh, and you're welcome. John > -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:31 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > >The document

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Sent: 10. desember 2002 14:06 > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > > Something you've forgotten: you might be able to pay $1000 > and get JRUN, but could you ever, ever in your wildest dreams > o

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December 09, 2002 7:37 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta > developer). I simply chimed in when someone else expressed > dissatisfacti

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l refund: Oh well, and least all that undergraduate work in Chemistry is paying off...:) In a whimsical mood, Mike - Original Message - From: "Hamilton, Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002

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o away mad, just go away (and stop bitching)! Jim -Original Message- From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:31 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: I don?t understand the objective of this open list ! >The documentation sure does need so

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as, all for nought. John > -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:37 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > >was a private message for the

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f installs (and I am NOT a web administrator). Jim -Original Message- From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:37 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! Notice that I didn't ask a questio

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o thank you all. Regards, Drew -Original Message- From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:33 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! You're forgetting that Tomcat is a refere

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, and I have a feeling you're not that dumb. John > -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:37 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! >

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l Message- > From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: December 09, 2002 2:30 PM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > > Extra bonus points for using "superfluous"! What

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26 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > I'm brand new to this list and have noticed the lack of good > documentation available. However the docs that exist are > extremely helpful and I've found plenty of

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Dear God, Could everyone just stop the bickering, my inbox was so heavy this morning I could have sworn it was turning into a black hole. I've worked in engineering my whole life and there has been three phrases that have always stood me on solid ground. "Read the f***in manual", "If you don't k

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That's my vote. -- -Original Message- From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 4:36 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: [OT} T.O. RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! Lord, let&#

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I think that you may find, from my experience, that you are going to have to pay more than a "little" for "accountability" to get what you are asking for here. What is your problem that is Tomcat's fault anyway? At 09:43 PM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: Mark, Thank you for your candid response.

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> > > > > > -Original Message----- > >> From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! >

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> Here is an opportunity though as I've offered my services. So if anyone > knows who I should contact about this I'm all ears. Write the docs. Use the existing XML sources to guide you, and submit new ones. Talk to John Turner, as well, who has a set of docs (IIRC). ref: http://cvs.apache.org

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> Then I may have made an error. I have been telling my business > associates that tomcat is NOT a viable commercial server. They > recently said I was wrong. In looking through the Jakarta web site I > believe I saw the term "commercial quality" in regards to Tomcat. The code is commercial qua

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>From: "Mike DiChiappari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Tomcat Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:37 PM >Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > >Notice that I didn't ask a quest

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Mark, Thank you for your candid response. I believe I understand the point of Jakarta now. We're happy not to have you use the software. If you read the documentation for other application servers, you'll quickly find that there is an equal amount of 'geek' speak. Since you say "we're" I ass

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Mike DiChiappari wrote: The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas, but it is hardly in the sad state that you claim it is in. Ok so I manage to get you to describe some of the problems you are having. I consider that an improvement from all the other mails I have seen so far

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Mike, We're happy not to have you use the software. If you read the documentation for other application servers, you'll quickly find that there is an equal amount of 'geek' speak. Sad to say, but at some point you need to understand the technology and know what you are doing in order to accompli

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was a private message for the developers. It seemed to be a blanket complaint from an apparently annoyed person. I have been disappointed and frustrated by the that is called documentation. I stopped trying to get tomcat to work properly over a year ago. Recently I looked into it agai

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The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas, but it is hardly in the sad state that you claim it is in. Okay, let me give a specific example. I will describe to you a likely standard configuration for a server that would be used in a typical commercial setting. Prove tomcat ca

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> Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta > developer). I didn't realize that: >> I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta. >> It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation >> for tomcat. was a private message for the

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At 12/9/2002 07:37 PM, you wrote: Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta developer). I simply chimed in when someone else expressed dissatisfaction with this list. I have been disappointed and frustrated by the that is called documentation. I stopped trying

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The documentation sure does need some work in certain areas, but it is hardly in the sad state that you claim it is in. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

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I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta. It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation for tomcat. Are you volunteering to write some, Mike DiChiappari? That is how things get done: someone

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Noel J. Bergman writes: I want proper user level documentation. If you are unsatisfied with the documentation: 1) contribute some time to help 2) contribute some $ to help 3) wait for someone else to do 1 or 2 4) spend even MORE money and buy IBM WebSphere. Basically the same cod

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> I want proper user level documentation. If you are unsatisfied with the documentation: 1) contribute some time to help 2) contribute some $ to help 3) wait for someone else to do 1 or 2 4) spend even MORE money and buy IBM WebSphere. Basically the same code, more docs, LOTS more mo

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> -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > I know the reason for this list - at least as it app

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What questions are you talking about? At 06:51 PM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: > Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very dificult because: > 1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and > 2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the install. I installed 4.1

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> Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very dificult because: > 1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and > 2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the install. I installed 4.1.12 in the car on my laptop. Took me all of a few minutes, and was a lot less b

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I'm brand new to this list and have noticed the lack of good documentation available. However the docs that exist are extremely helpful and I've found plenty of information on configuring Tomcat. Since this thread is getting so much publicity I might as well restate my willingness to improve u

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st' Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! Extra bonus points for using "superfluous"! What a great word. John > -Original Message- > From: Short, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM > To:

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Extra bonus points for using "superfluous"! What a great word. John > -Original Message- > From: Short, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objecti

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o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:11 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > David, > > You are a perfect case in point. I want to use tomcat, but I am not > a geek. I want proper user

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Mike, Here is information from a cursory search on Amazon. Tomcat Kick Start by Martin Bond, Debbie Law (Paperback) Usually ships in 24 hours List Price: $34.99 Buy new: $24.49 Used & new from $19.95 Mastering Tomcat Development by Peter Harrison, Ian McFarland (Paperback) Avg. Customer Rati

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iChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: December 09, 2002 2:05 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! You're correct. There is lots of documentation out there. Unfortunately, it belongs with most things that are open sourse - in the

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> -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:11 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > David, > > You are a perfect case i

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f you at least stated specifically what was missing in order to answer your questions. Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics >-Original Message- >From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:48 PM >To: 'Tomcat Users List' >Subj

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ng in their power to make sure their software tucks you in at night and guarantees you and yours are safe, warm, and content. John > -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:05 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Su

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David, You are a perfect case in point. I want to use tomcat, but I am not a geek. I want proper user level documentation. I should not have to know about how a damn java app server works internally (nor how to build it) in order to setup one up and use it. Is the point of Jarkata to keep g

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You're correct. There is lots of documentation out there. Unfortunately, it belongs with most things that are open sourse - in the trash. Jakarata/tomcat is particularly bad. The people that manage it should be ashamed of themselves (I hope they are not building software I have to rely on in

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Jim Henderson writes: I think it an opportunity to sell updated books! ;) -Original Message- From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:48 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list !

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I think it an opportunity to sell updated books! ;) -Original Message- From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:48 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! I disagree. There

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to them. John > -Original Message- > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > I know the reason for this list - at least a

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I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies to Jakarta. It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation for tomcat. Of course, nobody can answer your questions. The purpose of Jakarta is not to build useful software for "the rest of us". It is to keep geeks happy

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You have all the rights to have your own impressions, but I'd like to share with you about this list. I have subscribed many lists in many years, but this is one of the most friendly lists I ever seen. This is just FYI. Pae -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For addition

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Well, you have lots of answers now. At 08:40 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and NEVER i found help. I hope that the people that participates of this list, don´t have damages about other people that don´t belong´s at your countries. Thank´s

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> To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > I still don't understand the question. If it's so easy maybe > it's because > people are sick of answering simple questions where people > don't read t

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ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 09 December 2002 14:29 > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > Dear Jhon, > Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very > dificult because: > 1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4

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Hi, Maybe this will help. I'll describe my rationale when I saw your question. As you summarized them: >1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and >2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the >install. Obviously, people (including myself) have done this before. Howev

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spend a little time there first and come back if you have a real problem. Donie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 14:29 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! Dear Jhon, Thank´s

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om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:29 AM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > Dear Jhon, > Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very > dificult because: &g

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with vinegar. -Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! Dear Jhon, Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very

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if you don't get answers i suggest you to take a look at this great text http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html it's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" by Eric Steven Raymond and i think it does apply here regards mw > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailt

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Dear Jhon, Thank´s for your answer. Yes, maybe my questions is very dificult because: 1. Nobody has to installed tomcat 4.1.12 and 2. Nobody has to run the simple examples of tomcat 4.1.12 after the install. Jhon, this questions are very easy. Please, i give you excuses for this, but i don´t und

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ou nowhere. Post you question in a form that is answerable and you just might get some use from the list. Donie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 14:20 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open lis

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Hmm, let me help... The note you were responding to was meant in good humor. Notice the smiley face at the end. That means that the comment was meant as a joke. I'm sorry if you aren't in that kind of mood right now. Why don't you try stating the problem(s) you are having, including OS/jdk/tom

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Sorry, buy your words don´t give me fear. I only search technical help for something. i don´t have interest in to obtain enemies, I´d like friends that can help me. Only friends. I don´t need your threats. Thank´s. Mensaje citado por: Donie Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You're defiantly blackli

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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:14 AM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > > what curious that is the first time that someone here

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is Success > What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared > to > what lies within us - Emerson > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Donie Kelly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:16 PM

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Would you rather that people who can't help you waste your time sending you on wild goose chases that don't help at all? If you're not getting a response to your post, it's because nobody can help you. That's not our fault. Deal with it. John > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTE

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[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:16 PM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! > > You're defiantly blacklisted now :) > > > > -Original Message- > From

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You're defiantly blacklisted now :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 December 2002 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I don´t understand the objective of this open list ! In 3 opportunities i wrote to this stuped (sorry) list, and NEVER i