[Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread aaz893
https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?34215 But: cat /usr/share/doc/alpine/copyright Copyright © 2006 University of Washington License: Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the License); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
This is exactly what I meant, if you want Debian, take Debian. It can't be recommended for newcomers, because it should not be the users job to double check if the software they use is fully without freedom issues, but then again Debian shouldn't be recommended for newcomers at all, that's

[Trisquel-users] Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread teodorescup
Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released! It is with huge pleasure that the Debian GNU/Hurd team announces the release of Debian GNU/Hurd 2013. This is a snapshot of Debian sid at the time of the Debian wheezy release (May 2013), so it is mostly based on the same sources. It is not an official Debian

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
Jxself is on this forum too, he should be able clarify the issue. Maybe he actually looked at the sourcecode and found some pieces of binary hidden in there?

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: unreadable system notifications

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
It probably has something to do with the theme you are using, did you change the desktop environment to, say, KDE or XFCE? What theme do you have selected right now?

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
Awesome, your link was broken, so here it is again: Debian GNU/Hurd released

Re: [Trisquel-users] Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread aaz893
How about software for Debian/Hurd?

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
They state they have 75% of the Debians repositories already ported and they are aiming for 100%

Re: [Trisquel-users] Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread pascal
It's the first released? Because it's been a while I wanted to test hurd and learn to use it.

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
I suggest you try it out within a virtual machine, it may still be not as stable as GNU/Linux.

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread mikko . viinamaki
nitpick: duel boot dual boot https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/duel https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dual

Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Debian GNU/Hurd 2013 released!

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:25:16 +0200 (CEST) cyberh...@lavabit.com wrote: I suggest you try it out within a virtual machine, it may still be not as stable as GNU/Linux. I will try. -- Étudier, c'est comme courir après ce qui nous échappe, tout en craignant de perdre ce qu'on a déjà.-

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread trisqit
It's my understanding that you have to go out of your way to enable the non-free repos in vanilla Deb. And that the Debian Project developers have voted several times on bumping themselves up to FSF levels of purity, though the proposal has always failed. That said, I think your first

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread cyberhawk
Certainly it's a good thing that there are programmers working on a fully free distribution. There is no arguing that it's a good thing FSF doesn't compromise their ideals for including Debian as a recommended distro. I agree with you there. FSF not including them will just mean Debian will,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread jamathis
According to the FSF list of licenses Apache 2.0 is a free software license. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2 However, it is not compatible with GPLv2 only GPLv3.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread ahj
Blatantly false. The only person I am in contorl of is myself. I can't prevent others from murdering, or using drugs, or using non-free software, etc. The whole purpose of free software is to liberate the user from the unjust yoke of the proprietary developer. With software, there are just

[Trisquel-users] Re : Free software friendly TV tuner now available (Canada, USA, Europe, etc) @ libre.ThinkPenguin.com

2013-05-22 Thread pascal
Cool. May be I will buy one.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread jason
Thanks lembas. This is precisely why you can't rely on just looking at a software license alone to know if something is free software, but also need to go spelunking through everything and looking to see what's there. As an example: If you look *only* at software licenses and nothing else

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread jason
Another reason not to rely on just the high-level copyright and license info is that it may not be accurate: roboq6, for example, points to Copyright © 2006 University of Washington and Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 but I can point to two things that show this information

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread gameboyab
I don't anarchy is even possible, except for a short time, (the dictionary definition - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy ) Anarchy is the perfect democracy. Everyone has a say and decisions take into account everyone's positions. Decisions are taken by consensus. The problem is,

[Trisquel-users] Untrusted packages

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
Hi, always when I want install a new package with aptitude, I have: Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that this is what you want to do. Once for wireshark, and another time with tshark and finger. ...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread aaz893
1. jxself, are you trying to contact with Stephen Chung? Maybe we can convince him to change the license 2.As stated in the Debian bug it's in the source code for windoze only however, so the binary is clean Is that true? If yes, we are can simply get rid of msmem.c

Re: [Trisquel-users] unreadable system notifications

2013-05-22 Thread mono
i use gnome classic, kde is not installed. xfce is installed because i was curious how it looks like. should i uninstall it? The themes selected are Window theme: Adwaita (default) Cursor theme: DMZ-White Icon theme: Trisquel GTK# theme: Trisquel

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread Jason Self
aaz...@mail.ru wrote .. 1. jxself, are you trying to contact with Stephen Chung? Maybe we can convince him to change the license I have not. Please feel free to do so. 2.As stated in the Debian bug it's in the source code for windoze only however, so the binary is clean Is that true?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:12:17 +0200 (CEST) gamebo...@lavabit.com wrote: I don't anarchy is even possible, except for a short time, (the dictionary definition - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy ) Anarchy is the perfect democracy. Everyone has a say and decisions take into

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Tue, 21 May 2013 10:35:52 -0500 Quiliro Ordóñez quil...@congresolibre.org wrote: El 21/05/13 09:37, gamebo...@lavabit.com escribió: Democracy is more like mob rule than X person bossing others around and others having to obey. That seems like anarchy. Usually, anarchy leads to tyrrany,

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Michael Mehrazar
On 5/22/2013 2:44 PM, Pascal Diogo Antunes wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:12:17 +0200 (CEST) gamebo...@lavabit.com wrote: I don't anarchy is even possible, except for a short time, (the dictionary definition - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy ) Anarchy is the perfect democracy.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:54:09 +0200 (CEST) aaz...@mail.ru wrote: But it's still a democracy, not a totalitarian regime. IMHO, most of countries are authoritarian regimes, like USA. There are only a few countries, who isn't authoritarian. They are totalitarian, like North Korea. USA is not

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread aaz893
Indeed Then why are you removed Alpine from gNewSense?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:45:46 +0200 (CEST) onp...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't go so far as to say that the U.S. is not a democracy. Democracy is a very vague term: it means that everyone has a say in decisions that affect them. It's not as good as it should be, but people in the U.S. do

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread aaz893
A true democracy is a direct democracy. And no country is one. Yes, I agree.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread john . wilkins21
a prevailing army (of criminals) dominates citizens, effectively becoming a government In My opinion that sounds like the Government of the UK,witness the recent expenses scandal. I'm not a student of U.S.A. politics but it seems to me that they have a better system than the U.K. where we

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread gameboyab
Anarchy is freedom and only freedom - certainly not a simily democraty. Anarchy is no laws, no properties, no states : only freedom. The problem is that someone [unscrupulous] individual may try to take away your freedom, that is what government is for. If a government is too large, it will

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread ejectmail
I didn't know that, but now I really agree with Cyberhawk. You don't need an outdated version of a distribution that's mostly free anyway, you want one of the most popular distributions with all the non-free stuff stripped out...I wonder if there's one like that... :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:20:47 +0200 (CEST) gamebo...@lavabit.com wrote: Anarchy is freedom and only freedom - certainly not a simily democraty. Anarchy is no laws, no properties, no states : only freedom. The problem is that someone [unscrupulous] individual may try to take away your

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread icarolongo
In 2016: gNewSense 4 based on Debian 7 Wheezy :-P gNewSense 3 based on Debian Squeeze? With GNOME 2.30 and others softwares from 2009-2010 in 2013-2014? I agree with Cyberhawk.

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread icarolongo
Why gNewSense chose OpenOffice instead LibreOffice?

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread Michał Masłowski
Squeeze has OpenOffice.org, no choice was done by gNewSense. Next releases will have LibreOffice, since Debian Wheezy has it and it doesn't need patching to not recommend nonfree extensions. pgpYlOBgxyi9f.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread Dave Hunt
I think I've heard of one like that--something like try skull, or tree skell, or something? LOL, Dave H On 05/22/2013 03:23 PM, ejectm...@me.com wrote: I didn't know that, but now I really agree with Cyberhawk. You don't need an outdated version of a distribution that's mostly free

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread Dave Hunt
Who is the intended user of Gnewsense? What does it offer that Trisquel and Parabola do not, that is, except for old software?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Authentication error while upgrading to 6.0

2013-05-22 Thread Bob Ham
On 2013-04-21 22:48, leny2...@member.fsf.org wrote: $ sudo do-release-upgrade -s This fails: 2013-05-22 20:17:39,773 ERROR Failed to mount rw aufs overlay for '/bin' 2013-05-22 20:17:39,773 ERROR aufs setup failed 2013-05-22 20:17:39,774 ERROR self.prepared() failed Log attached. -- Bob

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread onpon4
Anarchy doesn't mean no laws. It simply means no state. Any further views vary widely among anarchists. No state doesn't necessarily mean no government, either. I think most anarchists support government, but by the people rather than a state.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:24:41 +0200 (CEST) onp...@gmail.com wrote: Anarchy doesn't mean no laws. It simply means no state. Any further views vary widely among anarchists. No state doesn't necessarily mean no government, either. I think most anarchists support government, but by the

Re: [Trisquel-users] gNewSense 3.0 beta 1

2013-05-22 Thread silemmo
Ok I've tested, it's fast and the DE is gnome 2. The distro is rebooting so I understand that they are going slowly. But a totally free debian is necessary in my opinion. You take the top 10 in Distrowatch, we have our ubnuntu-based totally free, our arch-based totally free. And now soon our

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-22 Thread nospamhere
ahj Only a fool would tell himself that using a proprietary version of a program, rather than not using a program at all is a better solution. In virtually every instance it is better to be inconvenienced by not using a proprietary program at all than using it. Then you agree the smart

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Alpine non-free software?

2013-05-22 Thread jason
I am not sure that I understand your question. While wearing my freedom verifier hat I only report what I find to the distro. What happens after that is up to them.

[Trisquel-users] Bad news for WebM and FLOSS

2013-05-22 Thread tegskywalker
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/VP8-WebM-cross-licence-incompatible-with-open-source-1867383.html

[Trisquel-users] Privacy Security Tech to Watchful of: vPro

2013-05-22 Thread chris
I just wanted to make the regulars here aware of another potential security and privacy threat from Intel called vPro. The more people who avoid this technology the better. Most people probably know of Intel's Trusted Execution Technology which is part of the Trusted Computing initiative.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Privacy Security Tech to Watchful of: vPro

2013-05-22 Thread mono
thank you Chris for pointing this out! Half a year ago i bought the i7 3770K, because of the free driver graphics and at the same time the absence of Intel Trusted Execution technology. Possibly i read about it in this forum. am glad it also does not have vPro!