Indeed, you are right when affirming that free/libre software existed
long before RMS, GNU and FSF... However, these key
people/projects/organizations were the first ones to actually document
the philosophy (before that, there were free/libre software, but they
didn't exactly prove
and... the echo chamber echoes forever
> She endorses free software, but she hates RMS. It´s like being christian
but hating jesus.
Free software existed before Free Software Foundation and Richard Stallman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software
https://libreboot.org/why-not-gnu/
"Your project will become associated with all of this, even if you personally
dislike Richard Stallman."
She endorses free software, but she hates RMS. It´s like being christian but
hating jesus. You are free to follow him, or not. In life not everybody
really? this is more ridiculous than hating GNU and developing free software,
like Rowe. The most stupid thing is that all this problem is not about sth.
that affected her. Involving feelings with the work may not be a good
combination, specially is those feelings are negative.
tx mate, I feel better now :)
If you ever need someone to lean on SuperTramp, I'm here for you buddy.
Hahaha
You're absolutely right! For some reason, I read over your comment multiple
times yesterday morning, and, for some reason, thought that you were taking
pretty much the opposite position. I read it again yesterday afternoon, and
realized that we pretty much agreed on everything. Sorry about
"I would not call RMS an extremist, I would call him persistent."
I agree. Also, I would not call RMS an opponent of "intellectual property", I
could call him an opponent of proprietary software, because like the term
"extremist", the phrase "intellectual property" is NewSpeak, has no
That's a given with the harassment claims against Ruben and Trisquel being
his side project.
Calling people "extremists" implies they are willing to use violence to
achieve their goals.
I don´t think that it necessarily means that an extremist will use
violence, I think it means that the person will do everything to achieve its
goal. But I don´t think Stallman would do sth.
> extremism
You wanna know what extremism is? Putting ketchup on effing spaghetti! I saw
it with my own two eyes, I kid you not, to this day I have still not managed
to recover.
ketchup on spaghetty.. I mean, gee, what's next, pourin' cocacola in your
soup?
My god, people are goofy.
Extremism does not equal violence; an extreme action is any excessive action,
meaning any action that goes beyond what is necessary to achieve one's stated
goal, and the actions taken by the founder of Libreboot are definitely
extreme, by that definition. Firstly, because we have not yet
"Extremism" boils down to "ideas and action we really don't like". In other
words, it's a meaningless propaganda phrase much like "intellectual
property". I remember someone demonstrating just how meaningless it is to
call someone an "extremist" by saying something like, "I'll use whatever
*BSD, Debian, Parabola.
> What is "extremism"? Having a Libreboot computer with Trisquel or Parabola?
Leah´s overreacting, but seems that no one cares.
Yea, like she's one to talk. :p
Most people consider Free Software extremism to be running a libre BIOS (I
consider it to be the natural progression)... I wonder
It seems that she recommends Debian now.
I agree. I think the position that GFDL works without invariant sections are
free, but those with invariant sections are nonfree, is a sane position. I
think this is also the position taken by Debian.
Look, she deleted all references to Trisquel from the Libreboot repo:
https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot/commit/ec6f90a90fed3e3bdf841d56a3f9ded7ae7b3f66
https://jxself.org/the-gfdl.shtml
As above, I'll cede she has a few valid points. Invariant sections should not
block changes which are clearly indicated as not being the author's own
words, and allowing some variation in documentation formats would be nice.
But seriously, "extremism"? The people who changed the world were
What a bunch of crap. I agree with onpon4´s points, and that the rest is
nonsense. She "endorses" free software, she maintains THE fully-free BIOS
replacement in the world, and she sends to the hell to the pioneers of the
free software movement, the ones that we should be thank of. I have
Funny enough, I actually agree with some points in this one:
1. I agree that the GNU FDL is non-libre when invariant sections are used,
and I think it should be abandoned in favor of CC BY-SA or possibly the GNU
GPL.
2. I agree that the insistence of documentation format hegemony for all
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