Hello,
For days I've hoped that this thread would end up getting better and that a
lesson could be learned from all that chaos, but I no longer think it's
possible to get anything good from letting it grow even longer.
I've moved it from the Trisquel-users forum and I've locked it, but I
@vltr Thank you.
I am not ethical, but want to be. It is in fact hard to be ethical, and this
should not be so. It should be the easiest thing. I am weak and often
compromise or participate in things when I know it causes harm, be it the
environment, sweatshop labor or other things. I ask
Ey little robot, I have been ready some of your post and just to tell you
that I really enjoy reading them ; )
You look like being a little good robot! I like good people... well in your
case good robots. Sorry ;D
That wasn't a very Lain-like comment. Lain would be a bit more constructive
in the Wired.
Besides, these laptops take time, resources, and effort to recondition and
certify.
Laptops are underpriced in general, mostly off the backs of exploited labour
and resources.
Stop shitting up the forums with petty bickering between fsf certified
companies selling overpriced laptops. Disgusting.
Hi calher,
Nice to meet an apologist for Israel.
According to UN Resolution 242, you are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
According to Amnesty International, you are wrong:
Vikings, do you offer VPSes yet?
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I didn't mean a literal waste of space, I meant that figuratively.
If you have an issue with Libreboot (and it sounds like you do) you should
either use the Libreboot site for support, or if you bought the computer from
a vendor seek support from that vendor.
Hello there,
> It's irrelevant now though
It may be not relevant to you, your initial comment about VAT was factually
wrong though and I cared to correct it. Suddenly it's "irrelevant", which
seems counterintuitive.
> Thomas, btw, you're part of that peace deal I offered Tiberiu.
Huh?
Eh, it's not a waste of space. No more than 1 MiB, surely.
I just saw this message at 13:02 Eastern Standard Time.
OK, I won't send any more messages of that nature.
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Running Trisquel on a random machine is not hard. My first Trisquel
laptop was a random laptop my mom got from Walmart, and it not only
worked with Trisquel, but even the Wi-Fi card inside the laptop was
working just fine.
Someone else I used to know got two random computers and put Trisquel on
I fixed it already a while ago, but thanks for the offer.
I'll see if it comes with Dvorak on my next order. I'll order by
encrypted email. (Not any time soon, but whenever I need an additional
computer or this one is too much of a pain to repair.)
Wait. How do I send encrypted mail if my
On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 23:23 +0100, gert.otten.1...@gmail.com wrote:
> I was joking about Spotify. And yes I'm new to the forums, but everyone has
> got to start somewhere, right? I am using Windows 10 at the moment, only
> because of the fact that Microsoft shoves it down my throat.
Yeah, I
On Fri, 2017-12-15 at 14:26 +0100, v...@protonmail.com wrote:
> I understand that you just meant what I said, but that you were trying just
> to simmer down that cat ; )
As I'm sure the person from ikhider.com will agree, we probably
shouldn't simmer down a cat, because that would be non-vegan.
I believe that it's time to blow the whistle that again the voting system of
the forum is being abused to hide posts and promote only one's view that has
been repeated over and over again in a thread. Last time this censorship has
prompted me and other colleagues to react and vote too in the
Boycott the British. They're the ones who drew those stupid borders.
Jews bought land in Palestine, fair and square, and their neighbors
still used violence and boycotts against them just for living there.
Forget those people.
If people still want to live there, great. Stay there, but under
Sorry to change the subject but, does anyone know how to turn off thinkpad
keyboard beeps on Libreboot? Thanks!
Ahhh, interesting. : - )
Flame war, smear campaign...either way my vote is to not allow self promotion
at all and tightly moderate topics before that become a 4 page long waste of
space. This is especially true when the topic of the thread has little to do
with using or building Trisquel.
That makes one of us, I think this entire exchange undermines libreboot as a
project and makes me not trust either vendor. You couldn't pay me to use
their products at this point. This of course was also completely predictable
because the exact same flame war has already happened two
It is a fact that getting truly Libre and ethical hardware to run software
like Trisquel is not that easy. Granted "LibreLeah" may need to hire a PR
firm, we still learned a lot from this exchange. Some important points were
raised. Also, keep in mind that entities like TechnoEthical give
It used to be a self promotion thread.
Now, I think, it fits the definition of a smear campaign where the OP has
been reduced to defend herself against flaming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign
A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an
This thread is a self promotion flame war, it in no way advances the cause of
Trisquel. In fact it hurts it.
Right, I forgot, Trisquel and laptops running Trisquel, or buying laptops
that run Trisquel is not Libretech. Got it. Kthanxbye.
If someone advertises their products as 'ethical' or 'free', it sort of is on
topic. Sort of like buying 'fair trade' products from the Warsaw Ghetto. ; -
)
Right now we are in a thread that goes for pages without even mentioning the
topic of this forum: Trisquel. This is not a "libretech" forum, it is the
Trisquel users forum. It is a place where people come to get help using and
building Trisquel.
Being nice should be just for the sake of feeling well with oneself as well
as for the sake of willing truly to get along well with others.
I understand that you just meant what I said, but that you were trying just
to simmer down that cat ; )
As far as I am concerned, the best company I have experienced buying Libre
sofware is Technoethical, and I have already by from 3 of those companies.
Welcome to the forum. I was also registered as a new user weeks ago, and you
are right we also have a right to speak and to exist here.
>This has to stop
What has to stop? Could you explain it? Is the issue about people just
talking about true facts? Does freedom of expression about true facts hurt
you?
Think about it? I understand if you feel bad reading this thread, but the
reason you are feeling bad is not because I
"Kafkaesque" comes to mind.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/29/nyregion/the-essence-of-kafkaesque.html
"What's Kafkaesque," [...] "is when you enter a surreal world in which all
your control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which you have
configured your own behavior, begins to
This has to stop, you are making her and yourself look bad.
We should be working together to make free software more available, not
flaming each other... and frankly, Leah is trying to make peace with you...
despite everything that is happening...
Please make peace for the sake of the free
Calher,
I know you mean well, but I wish for everything to de-escalate, or otherwise
not re-escelate.
I don't think vltr meant anything particularly nasty by it. They were simply
referring to my gender. Let's not turn this into another war, please :)
The war is over.
~Leah
Godwins law aside, let's not go down that road.
Besides, it's off-topic to the thread.
Calher, I know you mean well, but please let's not re-escelate things.
This is not a war worth having. The fighting has stopped, and that's all that
matters.
On Tue, 2017-12-12 at 13:29 +0100, i...@minifree.org wrote:
> Minifree is also extremely generous in the cases where there are problems.
As a customer, I can say that this is true.
--
Caleb Herbert
OpenPGP public key: http://bluehome.net/csh/pubkey
On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 09:18 +0100, i...@minifree.org wrote:
> Indeed. As previously stated, Minifree offers a 2 year warranty on all
> orders.
The warranty is more than great.
--
Caleb Herbert
OpenPGP public key: http://bluehome.net/csh/pubkey
On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 22:02 +0100, enduz...@riseup.net wrote:
> And it's not
> Leah whose doing the bullying. It's a man's world, after all.
Tiberiu is doing the bullying, but this is not gender-related.
Please avoid saying that people always do things to a victim because of
their identity.
Haha, I want to frame this. It's hilarious.
On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 18:47 +0100, cont...@ikhider.com wrote:
> I am also a
> ThinkPenguin client and really like their wifi dongles. When I started using
> Trisquel for laptops, they really saved me.
It's too bad that most Wi-Fi hotspots require running proprietary
software to access. You
Richard Stallman says he just gets extended battery packs. It seems to
work for his long travels.
I use my boyfriend's adaptor and plug my laptop into the cigarette
lighter in the car. This is how I'm responding to email and writing
this at the moment.
(BTW, email > forums. Offline > online.)
OK. For once, I'm going to make an SJW rant rather than protest one.
On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 03:03 +0100, v...@protonmail.com wrote:
> I think it is better
> just to create a whole thread for people for people being able to speaks
> openly about their experiences with Minifree without them
I wonder if all this thread is just a game meant to distract and delay
Minifree. :(
Hi calher,
I apologize for this oversight.
If this issue still affects you, here's how to rectify it:
* dump the ROM using flashrom
* extract grub.cfg using cbfstool
* change "keymap ukqwerty" in grub.cfg to "keymap ukdvorak" (I recall that I
shipped you UK Dvorak)
* reinsert the grub.cfg
I was joking about Spotify. And yes I'm new to the forums, but everyone has
got to start somewhere, right? I am using Windows 10 at the moment, only
because of the fact that Microsoft shoves it down my throat. Once the Nouveau
driver is decent enough to work with my GTX 1050, I'll make the
The fifth rule is, one flash chip at a time
The best revenge is to be nice, so that everyone wins.
@calher To help you out a little, because it does not seem to getting
through, that fellow's image you use for an avantar says to pick the ethical
choice over the convenient choice. While certainly convenience may be easy in
the short term, in the long term it does more damage.
If that
Oh wait! I get it! The First Rule of Free Soft and Free Hardware. YOU DO NOT
TALK ABOUT FREE SOFT AND FREE HARDWARE!
How is offering Libretech running Libresoft off topic?
They threatened me also legally, multiple times.
They're threatening a lot...
On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 03:32 +0100, v...@protonmail.com wrote:
> When I read things like this from Leah, I just get amazed... Honestly I have
> no words. Do you think you are Angela Channing in a Falcon Crest episode?
Can you provide clips/episodes of the reference you are making?
--
Caleb
On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 11:46 +0100, i...@minifree.org wrote:
> This is why I try to get people to review
> elsewhere.
Review of Minifree:
The laptop came in good condition, and replacement parts have always
been provided with technical support on installation. Sometimes, I'd
get a bigger hard
Ya, that isn't a solution. Never mind that this shouldn't be an problem in
the first place. You wouldn't go to a car dealer to buy soap, it makes
equally no sense to entertain many of the very off topic threads here in this
forum.
The Third Reich also made great strides in cancer research. IBM also worked
with the Third Reich to help with computer development and data processing. I
am sure someone like you said the exact same thing when all that went down.
: - ) Or is it that some humans are more equal than others
I understand and I know your intentions are all good.
They are not interested in "peace", not with you. They want make you look
bad. Stop giving them ammo by replying to trollish posts that are aimed at
tilting your healthy mental state of mind.
You must keep up the good work, only reply
On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 10:37 +0100, i...@technoethical.com wrote:
> It's also probably why you don't have reviews on your website,
> nor accept payment by card. PayPal could confirm this, but not without a
> court order.
It is not good to have PayPal on a web store. It is a proprietary
The purpose of my peace offer is to prevent such incidences as in this thread
in the future.
Free software requires free manuals. There are no ifs, ands or buts
about it.
If you think the software that prepares GNU manuals for publication is
too inhumane, then I encourage you to write a more humane replacement.
Leah, I hope you do realize that you cannot bargain with them. Their goal is
to remove you.
It has all and everything to do with this:
...being involved in this important movement means having to deal with a
leader that has a record of instability. But it doesn't have to continue to
be
bandicooty98 I put an end to it all. See end of thread. I offered a deal with
the other companies so that we don't be hostile towards each other, and
instead compete in a friendly manner more or less, instead of attacking each
other.
I am sure these vendors will be drowned out once Trisquel 8 comes out.
Says a brand new member of some three hours. Good going.
Why bother registering here if all you have to say is endorse Spotify?
Okay... No FSF-Approved system for me. I thought the free software community
was one of the few places on this damn planet that hadn't gone bad yet. I'll
just go with the flow: I've bought a shiny new Windows 10 laptop. I seriously
had plans on buying a libre system... But this kind of
I am not saying that many of these off topic threads lack value, I am simply
saying this isn't the right place to have them. Specifically the community
around Libreboot (including vendors) should have their own forum at this
point, their users/customers are not getting the support they need
@findessential
Some good things came out of this, though. I learned a bit more about
technoethical and minifree's offerings. Minifree may now consider other forms
of laptops rather than just Intel CPU's. Both Minifree and Technoethical are
vying to work harder than the other for the
Minifree is VAT registered and I understand the mechanics.
Yes, but import tax in many countries is lower than VAT in the typical EU
country. From what I've seen, countries typically charge something like 10%,
or less, sometimes slightly higher. VAT is relatively high in the EU.
Leah, everybody who follows the forum knows exactly what kind of people
technoethical are, so you can completely relax.
We saw what steps they are willing to take, and it's frightening, to say the
least.
It's amusing for me to watch this thread with those "mysterious" customers
and forum
I have seen such sub-forums and it could be a good revenue stream for
Trisquel eventually, I'd be open to that. Currently though this place is a
free for all and it seriously undermines the forums usefulness to actual
Trisquel users. We need to establish norms before entertaining some formal
On many other forums, businesses can only advocate their presence and
products under dedicated subforums. This usually involves paying or
sponsoring the site where the said advertizing takes place.
On these subforums, only the business owners have the right to post messages.
Airing dealer
I really hope Tiberiu accepts it. Even if he doesn't, I'm sure as heck going
to stay out of his way from now on.
All this fighting has been completely pointless. It alienates our customer
base, which then hurts both of our companies. Not to mention, we were both
being completely
Thank you, Leah. I accept your apology, and honestly I am very happy to read
this latter post from you :)
Hi vltr,
My offer to Tiberiu and Technoethical is a genuine one. I'm not going to
argue with you on anything that you've said in your post, for I am waiting on
Tiberiu's response to my offer.
And yes, I apologize for my previous hostilities towards you. As stated in
another reply to you
I do actually try to provide the best possible service. But yes, I apologize
fully for me behaviour towards you in this thread.
Once again, I take full responsibility. If you wish your order be refunded,
then I'm happy to provide one (as I always have been). Please send me your
wiring
This thread is a great example of why self promotion should not be allowed
here and that there should be a off topic lounge where threads can be
banished to/purged from if they have nothing to do with Trisquel or receiving
support for Trisquel users. This forum needs rules that are strictly
Not true, you called that thing to yourself:
>It's obvious to me that Tiberiu asked you to do this. The timing is too
perfect. I mean call me paranoid but... yeah.
>I demand an apology.
Well, I also would like to have an apology from you. If you have treated me
with due respect in this
Is it not too late for trying to become friend of people that you have tried
to hurt?
I have been reading Trisquel forums for long and you always do the same with
Tiberiu, you try to say the worst about him and Technoethical but later when
things are evident and facts become to get against
Another idea: why not do a Christmas Giving Guide on libreboot.org, every
year? Similar to the FSF one, but focused entirely on Libreboot (FSF one also
covers other devices).
It's probably too late to do one this year, but we could do it next year.
Tiberiu, I'm serious. I believe we would
If the deal is agreed on, I'm going to call it the united federation of
libreboot suppliers, in my head.
Literally.
I just want to focus on my work, and not fight with anyone.
> So you can either stay small and not register for VAT, or get big and have
to register for VAT - and charge more to your EU customers - or lower your
price. Tough call.
Oh dear, that's not how it works. If you register for VAT because you have to
or because you voluntarily do doesn't
I'm amazed that Leah is still trying to reason with them, negotiate.
You should pay them no attention. All they are ever going to do is take your
words, twist them and throw them back at you in some awfully garbled form
that bears no semblance to the meaning of your message.
Hi everyone. In the interest of transparency, I will publish this email I
have just now sent to Technoethical, in an attempt to de-escelate and end all
of these hostilities:
To: Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
From: Leah Rowe
Subject: peace deal
Cc: Vikings , i...@libiquity.com,
Free Software
I'm about to send you an email. I'm also going to announce the email on this
thread.
I got tired of Leah underestimating everyone's capacity to judge for
themselves if something is true or not, based on facts.
It's ridiculous how she considers that we're all morons and that we'll simply
take her word despite what we see with our own eyes.
I'm also tired of having to come
Alternatively, I'm right, and your response is - and vltr's supporting
comment - is a desperate attempt at denial.
You two are in perfect sync, both in the timing of your posts, and in the
things you say, and the attitudes that you have.
This is mere speculation. It's impossible to prove
Just for the record, for clarity, I want to say what happened:
* Technoethical tried to trash Minifree in this thread, suggesting that
Minifree provides poor quality service/products
* One of my customers, whose order I did genuinely screw up - yes, mistakes
happen, sometimes. they are none
Yes, this ^
This former customer of mine does not appreciate the great lengths I've gone
to to make things right, with their order, one of those few rare ones I mess
up on - which I've admitted I messed up several times.
Instead of being happy, they went an an angry crusade against me
Actually, no. It's just you and Tiberiu against me. Nobody else.
But you've tried to turn others against me, by painting Minifree as being
worse than it is. You've repeatedly spread FUD against my company, and I hope
that the negative effect of everything you and Tiberiu have done in this
>I'll be very aggressively shipping my X200s this week, as many of them as I
can, and I'll be bringing people here to write positive reviews about their
laptops that they've bought.
When I read things like this from Leah, I just get amazed... Honestly I have
no words. Do you think you are
I'm sorry this happened again, Leah. Thanks so much for all of your hard
work. I'm glad that a variety of vendors can ethically distribute
freedom-respecting laptops that you made possible.
Forum posts do not seem to be the best medium for providing information about
products from any of
>Get real. The history of events:
I also share the view that everything happened in the way that Tiberiu said.
>Oh Leah, I read the kinds of you like open books. Stop this nonsense, get
real and do better job for the customers that trust you. Don't wait for them
to complain (request to
Zotis, I completely share your appreciation about Minifree business model
just caring about making profit.
I am not agaisnt that. But business can be made and should be made with nice
manners and not with bad business practices and as far as I am concerned, I
do not see any of them present
This is getting totally out of hand. Ridiculously predictable, though.
You call refund and free replacement "buying silence"?
A business has no other obligation. Leah has gone to great lengths to amend
her mistake and yet you fail to appreciate anything that she's been doing to
set things
Of course you did not refunded me and we do not want a refund now. We just
wanted to tell our experience. Are you able to deal with that once and for
all?
Stop misleading people who just read one post and not the whole thread
inventing constantly the facts of the case.
I have made
Why should I answer you whenever you want about whatever you want having into
account that you did not reply the emails we sent you nor to the calls we
made you for over 12 days?
Even more, how are you able to manage a business if you are not able to bring
back to you the facts of the
Have to disagree on that policy, the whole point is Libre tech. If a company
is making false claims, such as they are Libre, and then turn out to be not
so Libre, we need to know. If someone is using blood CPU's. that is pretty
important. Remember, Richard Stallman got arrested by ATI (now a
Yes, this is really silly. If people have a customer grievance, then they
should really take it up in private.
It's not healthy for the free-software community to be backbiting each other
like this :-(
I literally do not defraud or deceive my customers.
I literally ship every order, or refund when requested.
The comments by this person and Tiberiu in this thread are blatant,
consistent, concentrated attacks against me.
I ship almost every order, in good time, and the products that I sell
No, I'm not and you are right, I'm sort of new in this forum (not first time
in a public forum, though). I just have been getting more and more nervous
about this conversation going nowhere and getting harmful, while at the same
time the conversation stopped being respectful at some point.
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