Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread luke . leighton
conformance to standard nand management (formatting etc.) tools, and direct communication with mtd-aware filesystems such as jffs2 and ubifs.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Conflicting packages and libqt4-opengl-dev

2016-07-31 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
Have you tried apt-get with --no-install-recommends? Sometimes the recommends get in the way in surprising ways.

Re: [Trisquel-users] So Linux-Libre Kernel 4.7 fails to boot properly

2016-07-31 Thread czech
hmmm... well i can only tell you, that this is a quite virgin trisquel installation, and i did not mess with any package repo settings (other then adding your repo to sources.list). it seems like it is looking for "freesh-keyring:i386", and while "freesh-keyring(:all)" is available (and i

Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread pinmaritim
@AFENO thanks that’s nice of you to help out on the bug*issues

Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread pinmaritim
Muchas Gracias Ruben ;-)

[Trisquel-users] Re : Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread lcerf
I would like to remember the associate membership program for whoever wants to monthly donate to the Trisquel project: https://trisquel.info/member

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre storage device?

2016-07-31 Thread dguthrie
I have no idea which devices this is compatible with. It could be dodgy...

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-07-31 Thread dguthrie
Some people have mentioned security updates, or rather seemingly lack of them. As far as I can tell you synchronise the packages with Ubuntu according to templates you have created which gets rid of the nonfree packages. However, it isn't clear how often this is done. Another concern is that

Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread jatsi
I followed jxself's example and threw a portion of my income at trisquel. It's a fixed %, not a fixed amount. It depends on my income, before expenses. And yes, I have to budget this in. But there are both gratis and libre software to do so. So I save my rights and money through Free

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre storage device?

2016-07-31 Thread dguthrie
I wonder if exploiting the firmware in some USB device could be used to create a so-called "Bad USB" attack, without the victim knowing their USB drive has been turned into a zombie. Stranger things have happened...

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread dguthrie
I read that modern SSDs are just as resilient as HDDs. In fact, in many cases they have a lower failure rate than an HDD used for the same tasks. What is best is to use SSD for frequently-written files such as the programs while storing and backing up to an HDD that isn't used often. To be

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread mcz
If it's possible to separate parts of the OS that get written often on the SD-card, that would be really cool. Of course, most of the 8Gib would remain unused, which would be a waste of real-estate. But at least, it would possibly keep it usable for a really long time. I don't know for

[Trisquel-users] Re : can't restore bookmarks with .json file

2016-07-31 Thread lcerf
The normal way to "export" the bookmarks (through the related window that one can get from the "Bookmarks" menu or with Ctrl+Shift+O) gives an HTML file, not a JSON file.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread lcerf
It was tried in the past: https://trisquel.info/en/tasks I do not know why the suggested amounts were so small, neither why the idea was abandoned.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread jadedml
Maybe some of the OS-- parts of it that are hardly moved, often read? (I assume that copying to and from is what kills NAND, and not reading from...?)

Re: [Trisquel-users] So Linux-Libre Kernel 4.7 fails to boot properly

2016-07-31 Thread jason
Ah ha! Good to know, thanks!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You're welcome! :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread mcz
Thanks guys. I don't understand much of what a lot of writes on disk involves exactly (changing location of files, things like that?), but looking for it on the web, I found this (https://askleo.com/can_a_usb_thumbdrive_wear_out/): The best use of USB thumb drives and other flash

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread luke . leighton
yay! https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/07/31/0323255/new-crowdfunding-campaign-offers-modular-eoma68-computing-devices

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread onpon4
I think you misunderstand the problem with flash memory. It's not random failures, but the inevitability of successfully writing to a bit on the flash memory for the last time (since each bit can only be written to a particular number of times), after which the flash memory becomes useless.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-07-31 Thread gromobir
Interesting! Thank you for that link. I'm also wondering why this has been abandoned.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread luke . leighton
it's full source code available, for both versions (all GPLv2 compliant). the first version from allwinner is... odd. they didn't do an MTD design, and they extended the block size beyond that of a normal NAND write-block... very weird. anyway it works. the second is a rewrite to

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread luke . leighton
argh there was a guy who did some research on the mailing list about USB-SSD drives a while ago, he found some reaaally good ones that had dual USB and SATA interfaces, those he said were superb. one of the main problems with USB flash drive firmware is they do cacheing of the first few

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread luke . leighton
don't EVER get anything other an an Intel S3500 series drive (or anything else with INTEL ssd controllers) - watch out for the S3700 series they use a 3rd party totally-shit SSD controller - or now you *might* be okay with Samsung EVO Pro, i haven't tested them though. report here:

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread onpon4
You can run an OS on flash memory, but you will have to replace it eventually; it's not about "failure rate" with flash memory so much as failure time, because all flash memory has a definite number of writes that can be performed on it. Intelligent wear leveling tries to maximize this

Re: [Trisquel-users] can't restore bookmarks with .json file

2016-07-31 Thread greatgnu
Eh, mybe the Magique is onto something there. Try converting the json to html http://json.bloople.net/

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread dguthrie
I have a Samsung SSD. It works pretty well. But I definitely wouldn't buy a no-name generic drive. But I back up to my old HDD just for safety...

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-07-31 Thread mcz
I'm not sure I understand : "universe" repo appears in Synaptic in Trisquel while "main" is the one updated in Ubuntu? And you can't know how often the packages are updated? So what? I mean, what's the big deal?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread mcz
Exactly, I'd rather wear out a "disposable" and replaceable part rather than the part physically unmovable. Also, the OS most will most likely occupy a small fraction of the available space. And considering the OS on the NAND as a backup OS is a really nice idea. But thinking of the

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread onpon4
> Wait, what if the NAND part wears out and becomes unuseable? Is an SD-card still useable? Yeah, based on what lkcl has said, support for booting from a microSD card is in the boot ROM. The NAND doesn't have to be used at all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread mcz
So MTD is an abstraction layer for raw flash storage? According to this, it's needed in order for the CPU to access the NAND (http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1187102=5). Or am I missing something?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-07-31 Thread mcz
Cool, so the only downside being that it's not replaceable, then using it minimally should be the best. and worst case, it's like there's never been any NAND. No big deal :) Thanks for the info!