Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
However, I've not seen the free software movement making this kind of call to authority. Because ethics of FSF based on the ethical dogmat: freedom is the highest value Unfortunately, no-one can prove this statement. It's like a religion, you must belive in this dogmat. Your

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
Sorry for waiting, I didn't have the Internet these day. Is it because you think ... 1.You cann't trust anyone? 2. Giving is better than receiving? 3. Freedom is the highest value? 4. FLOSS fits my selfish interests? 5. Progress is important. And FLOSS is more progressive than proprietary

Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
Nobody can understand the whole system in details Sure thing. But you are missing the point. I don't want to be Mr. I-know-all ! I just want to figure out stuff I NEED to know. No more, no less. This is the most challenging part. For exampe, is it important to know how TCP/IP works?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
În 2014-01-03 10:30, aaz...@mail.ru a scris: Because ethics of FSF based on the ethical dogmat: freedom is the highest value Every movement has ethics and principles, and it promotes them. Unfortunately, no-one can prove this statement. No proof needed. Every animal strives for freedom

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread shiretoko
No proof needed. Every animal strives for freedom (even the domestic ones). Humans are no different. Freedom is definitly not the highest goal for animals. Many of them put themselves under the control of a hirarchy (in tribes, for instance) in order to increase their chances of survival.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
Every movement has ethics and principles, and it promotes them. Of course. But nobody can promote illogical principles by means of logics. You must appeal to emotions. Maybe I missing something, but I can't see this approach in FSF advocacy. It's like to use a spoon instead of a hammer. It's

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
Every movement has ethics and principles, and it promotes them. Of course. But nobody can promote illogical principles by means of logics. You must appeal to emotions. Maybe I missing something, but I can't see this approach in FSF advocacy. It's like to use a spoon instead of a hammer.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Handbrake 0.9.9 on Toutatis

2014-01-03 Thread myself600
Calling a GPLv2 licensed software non-free means, that you does not know how to differentiate free software from non-free. You can read the full GPLv2 license to better understand, how it protects the software/user. Also, take a look at the list of FSF approved free software licenses. If you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
What else am missing?? 1.It's problematic to change default search engine (DuckDuckGo). 2.It's almost impossible to uninstall DuckDuckGo package. 3.Forget about getting help with proprietary software from the community. 4.Documentation(manuals,FAQ, etc) was edited to get rid of any mention of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
În 2014-01-03 12:39, shiret...@web.de a scris: No proof needed. Every animal strives for freedom (even the domestic ones). Humans are no different. Freedom is definitly not the highest goal for animals. Many of them put themselves under the control of a hirarchy (in tribes, for instance) in

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread shiretoko
Hierarchy has nothing to do with slavery. For instance, I am not a slave of Ruben for trusting his lead of the Trisquel project. And there a lot of other examples. You're permanently defining the meaning of the word freedom so you can reach somehow the conclusion that nothing takes away your

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu

2014-01-03 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 12:15 +0100 на 03.01.2014 (пт), aaz...@mail.ru написа: 1.It's problematic to change default search engine (DuckDuckGo). Select a search engine at the top-right dedicated search engine field. Your are done. Type in the address bar or at the dedicated search field. Install a Abrowser search

Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
În 2014-01-03 14:40, shiret...@web.de a scris: real slavery (which doesn't exist anymore in most western countries) By law it's forbidden in most of the countries, not only in western ones. Nevertheless, slavery is still a practice even in western countries. It was not only once I read of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Handbrake 0.9.9 on Toutatis

2014-01-03 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Le 2014-01-02 23:05, ja...@bluehome.net a écrit : It's probably not a good idea to provide builds of non-free software, let alone advertising it here. (HandBrake uses the faac encoder, which is not free.) It would be good to determine and clarify if the Ubuntu and Debian builds being

Re: [Trisquel-users] How does Trisquel Mini work?

2014-01-03 Thread friendfx
I am trying the Mini 6.0 live CD. Same problem here - the CD boots into a CLI on my DELL Latitude E6500. I tried startx (no such program seems to exist out-of-the-box), lscpi (doesn't exist either) and trying to sudo apt-get install gdm fails with errors about inability to connect to one of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need help with GPG/Enigmail/Torbirdy

2014-01-03 Thread gnuser
Thanks for the comments. I am reading the handbook on the enigmail website and it really looks like a easy thing to do IF I was to use a personal email, instead of a Tor based one (or one that I wanted to access through Tor to protect my identity). After reading a little bit more on Tor

[Trisquel-users] Re : Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread magicbanana
6. Free software is right, proprietary software is wrong: I deserve to control my own computing. Freedom does not have to be the highest value for a user to only accept free software.

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread shiretoko
If the leadership or the hierarchy is denying him freedoms, he can choose to overthrow that leadership or he can break from the group, Many hierarchies deny freedoms. Only because you can re-gain your freedom doesn't make you more free at the moment. If you see it that way, I could argue that

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need help with GPG/Enigmail/Torbirdy

2014-01-03 Thread gnuser
After doing some more reading it seems that Seahorse will be the tool for the job. At least from what I have seen so far :) One thing that bothers me is the fact that to create a new PGP key, it will always ask for the email address... Since I don't want to connect to the internet, and do

Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
În 2014-01-03 16:11, shiret...@web.de a scris: If the leadership or the hierarchy is denying him freedoms, he can choose to overthrow that leadership or he can break from the group, Many hierarchies deny freedoms. That doesn't make hierarchy wrong, that doesn't mean all hierarchies deny

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
1.When I installed Trisquel, I couldn't figure out how to change default search engine without lost of Trisquel's customizations. 2. It is xul-ext-ubufox. Because this package sets DuckDuckGo as default search engine.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
Yes, I know. But, there is a problem. After restart these settings will be overridden by default.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu

2014-01-03 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 16:12 +0100 на 03.01.2014 (пт), aaz893@ написа: After restart these settings will be overridden by default. I can't confirm that. I've tested with a new profile (abrowser --ProfileManager). The only way to duplicate this is to kill the browser (kill, killall, Ctrl+C if ran from terminal).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Handbrake 0.9.9 on Toutatis

2014-01-03 Thread jason
Calling a GPLv2 licensed software non-free means, that you does not know how to differentiate free software from non-free. You can read the full GPLv2 license to better understand, how it protects the software/user. Also, take a look at the list of FSF approved free software licenses. If you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
their campaigning seems effective to me. I don't want shatter your sweet dreams, but can you tell me percentage of computer users who use Trisquel? Put one in a leash and then unleash him. You will see the difference in his attitude. You dodged the answer. Maybe I need to repeat my

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
Freedom does not have to be the highest value for a user to only accept free software. Are you sure? Because if freedom isn't the highest value, then user can start to use proprietary software because of more important things. Example: Joe has the highest value and it is his nerves. He

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread onpon4
Freedom isn't natural at all. Most sentient life (putting aside non-sentient organisms that can't make decisions at all) is too busy surviving to think about freedom; freedom is a luxury to life in general, a result of having much more than you need to survive. That doesn't mean we

Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.

2014-01-03 Thread aaz893
How are *we* supposed to know what are *your* needs to have sense of control over [your] computer? You can't. But maybe you can help me to figure out that I need to know if I tell you my needs. Let's begin with minimum minimorum. If I have the Internet then I can solve the most of my

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
În 2014-01-03 18:26, aaz...@mail.ru a scris: their campaigning seems effective to me. I don't want shatter your sweet dreams, but can you tell me percentage of computer users who use Trisquel? I haven't made any statement regarding the users of GNU GPL-licensed software, GNU software or

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?

2014-01-03 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
În 2014-01-03 18:54, onp...@riseup.net a scris: Freedom isn't natural at all. Most sentient life (putting aside non-sentient organisms that can't make decisions at all) is too busy surviving to think about freedom; freedom is a luxury to life in general, a result of having much more than you

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I add articles and blog posts to Trisquel blog?

2014-01-03 Thread cya
@antiesnob The Trisquel Blog is the first actual text body on the Home page, and is located below the three different banner headers. The last article was submitted March, 2013. Directly below that, and still on the left side, is the Planet feed (it is blank on my screen) that should

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are fonts software?

2014-01-03 Thread antiesnob
@armworm a) Was your question a philosophical one? b) Was your question to know how are treated/licensed in Trisquel community? or c) Was your question to add arguments to make your mind to decide if they are software o not? I thought you were asking in philosophical way but everyone is

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I add articles and blog posts to Trisquel blog?

2014-01-03 Thread antiesnob
I'm reallly I help you in some way. Thanks to you, now I know that Trisquel blog it's not part of a news but a section. As far as I know you can't post there. Webmaster, Rubén, etc are the ones that can do that. Nevertheless, if you post something on the forum recently and it has replies

Re: [Trisquel-users] Handbrake 0.9.9 on Toutatis

2014-01-03 Thread myself600
Frankly, I wasn't aware about any of your work outside Linux-libre, which is licensed under GPLv2 too, therefore calling such software non-free was quite unexpected from you. I thought that the reason to rebuild HandBrake from source, while there is an official Launchpad PPA for it that does

[Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread 1451526
The HP Chromebook 14 utilizes Coreboot+Seabios and an Atheros AR5B22 which is, at least somewhat, compatible with ath9k. It comes with a huawei mu736 3g/hspa module that I personally do not trust (thus, is disconnected), and requires non-free firmware, as far as I can tell. I have found

Re: [Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread myself600
I have found that the HP Chromebook 14 is just as free as the Gluglug X60 laptop AFAIK, the Gluglug X60 model has a completely free BIOS, except the Embedded Controller, which may be a part of the BIOS or not. Chromebooks from Google have microcode blobs in Coreboot (the BIOS) included,

Re: [Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread Michał Masłowski
Gluglug removes the nonfree microcode update that coreboot normally has. HP Chromebook 14 (codenamed Butterfly) has these and other blobs: http://review.coreboot.org/gitweb?p=blobs.git;a=tree;f=mainboard/google/butterfly;h=8b288bd915906a18379718be4b6080a3fd2cc554;hb=HEAD me.bin is the signed PCH

Re: [Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread myself600
Can be the Lenovo X201 flashed with Coreboot that does not need me.bin for its work, if the processor does not include vPro/TXT?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need help with GPG/Enigmail/Torbirdy

2014-01-03 Thread gnuser
Guess I'm back at square one -.- So, after lots of testing... seahorse: is useless, for some reason the window that I get is totally different from the ones that I saw at the tutorials online, so most actions are not there. For some reason I can barely do anything at all with this one.

Re: [Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread myself600
Thank you for the explanation. So, the Management Engine binary is needed regardless if the processor does support vPro/TXT or not. Am I right?

Re: [Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread 1451526
thank you for showing me those files. just to clarify, is codename Butterfly the same as codename Falco? This is the exact model name: HP Chromebook 14-q070nr WWAN 4G (ENERGY STAR)

Re: [Trisquel-users] HP Chromebook 14

2014-01-03 Thread 1451526
thank you everyone for the explanations. 3 better questions to ask are: (1) What is non-free about the Gluglug laptops? (So far, I have noted: Management Engine blob and the Embedded Controller blob; is this all?) (2) What are potential security privacy vulnerabilities with a user running

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are fonts software?

2014-01-03 Thread LDrumbler
My question was to add arguments to make up my mind to decide whether they are software or not. I believe that means I was asking philosophically. I haven't really been following the discussion since I was convinced (fonts are works of practical use and need to carry the freedoms of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need help with GPG/Enigmail/Torbirdy

2014-01-03 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez Baca
I really don't understand what your problem is. But what I did was: - install thunderbird, thunderbird-locale-es enigmail - OpenPGP - Configuration Wizard And followed the steps. (Perhaps the names of the menus are not the same in English.)

[Trisquel-users] BT backdoors

2014-01-03 Thread stask
A paper released earlier this month [December 2013] by a group of security researchers has outlined the technical details behind a potential Computer Network Exploitation (CNE) program likely used by the U.K. Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and their American counterpart, the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless laptop

2014-01-03 Thread jeanlabour
I think @StevinDM was trying to point at an issue similar to the one I've got. During installation, Trisquel was able to connect to wireless, but once I booted Triquel the normal way (via Grub), AND logged in, Trisquel acts just as if it doesn't recognize my wireless hardware. I've been

Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.

2014-01-03 Thread portocultural
When you don't have internet, just try take a look at /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/info directories. And read the man pages with man at terminal. (The tkinfo, xman, and dwww(runs at localhost) programs are alternatives and you can expand that documentation, installing docs available

Re: [Trisquel-users] Handbrake 0.9.9 on Toutatis

2014-01-03 Thread jason
Frankly, I wasn't aware about any of your work outside Linux-libre, which is licensed under GPLv2 too, therefore calling such software non-free was quite unexpected from you. I never said that the GPL was non-free. Please don't put words in my mouth. In the case of Linux-libre there are no

Re: [Trisquel-users] New User Problems

2014-01-03 Thread hamptondav
To those of you who tried to help. Thanks. To those of you who had a laugh at the expense of a 71 year old trying a new thing, get a life!! I reloaded my Windows and restored my system (which I completely backed up before this misadventure). I am back to normal and will leave the new

Re: [Trisquel-users] How does Trisquel Mini work?

2014-01-03 Thread silvibus
To install X11, sudo apt-get install xinit xorg --no-install-recommends You can omit the '--no-install-recommends' option, if you want. But i'm assuming you installed Trisquel-mini for the reason of not having all those extra unecessary applications. execute: xinit X11 might not permit you to

Re: [Trisquel-users] New User Problems

2014-01-03 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez Baca
El 03/01/14 22:58, hampton...@gmail.com escribió: To those of you who tried to help. Thanks. To those of you who had a laugh at the expense of a 71 year old trying a new thing, get a life!! I reloaded my Windows and restored my system (which I completely backed up before this misadventure).