Re: [Trisquel-users] How to get an opendesktop.org account?

2015-07-14 Thread abhijithb21

Thank you ssdclickofdeath and SuperTramp83.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to get an opendesktop.org account?

2015-07-14 Thread abhijithb21

Did that. Now I finally have an account.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When will trisquel update gnupg to the ecc support version?

2015-07-14 Thread tomlukeywood

https://www.gnupg.org/download/index.html

you can download the latest gnu-pg version here
and compile it from source


Re: [Trisquel-users] What kind of email services are you using and recommend and why?

2015-07-14 Thread svhaab

https://tutanota.de/ https://www.lavaboom.com/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless Problem

2015-07-14 Thread amenex
My Thinkpad T420 with a Thinkpenguin wifi usb dongle was experiencing the  
same flakiness as tdlnx a couple of months ago, but I did two things that  
appear to have cured the problem: (1) Unplug the dongle from the USB port and  
plug it in again a few times to clean off the contacts; and (2) Re-orient the  
antenna on the router. My connection went from 6kb/s to around 60kb/s, which  
isn't lightning fast but is acceptable for web browsing and for keeping my  
Trisquel 7 installation up to date. It doesn't lose connectivity any more,  
either.


[Trisquel-users] Re : When will trisquel update gnupg to the ecc support version?

2015-07-14 Thread lcerf
Debian experimental has a package for GnuPG 2.1.x:  
https://packages.debian.org/experimental/gnupg2


Use it at your own risks!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with synaptic and apt-get update

2015-07-14 Thread sadieannie1
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nutrition. Soy protein shakes your body with a choice such as fruit and  
vegetables can do wonders. We bust past your plateau, but in a healthy way to  
do it.healthy meal delivery 


[Trisquel-users] Re : Wireless Problem

2015-07-14 Thread lcerf

/usr/local/bin is intended to contain such local scripts.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Creating a license that switches between two external licenses

2015-07-14 Thread tegskywalker
Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking more in the line of keeping the  
software copyleft but if I die or a company goes under, it becomes free for  
all without restrictions to better society or something. That way, the  
copyright isn't tied to a dead entity and the software gets ignored.


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread jadedml

No, it doesn't. That warning is for the PNG file, not for SELinux itself.
It is clear to anyone that visits the URL  
(http://blag.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/File:30k-blag-install-14-firewall.png)  
that the warning is directed to the PNG file.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-07-14 Thread cooloutac
ok well,  to get the whole panel transparent,  I use compiz.   Unless you  
know of another way?


[Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread cjpaperbond

If you scroll down until you see the last two topics, you'll read this:

Firewall  SELinux

File:30k-blag-install-14-firewall.png

BLAG does not enable SELinux on install. Some legacy applications do not work  
with SELinux. If you wish to enabled it in the future, you can run


system-config-securitylevel

Link: http://blag.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/Installation

Warning: This file type may contain malicious code. By executing it, your  
system may be compromised.

http://blag.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/File:30k-blag-install-14-firewall.png

So, does it mean Blag team found something on SELinux that can threaten our  
privacy because it was developed by the NSA?






Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread tomlukeywood

png files can be execute code...?

*mind blown


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread davesamcdxv
In all fairness I don't recall sudo chmod +x hamburger-concerto.png to be  
impossible. And I guess one really never knows what, after that, would be  
triggered upon doing./hamburger-concerto.png


(after all, an extension is nothing more than an extension...)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with synaptic and apt-get update

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
 If you are trying to lose weight, there is nothing more important than proper
 nutrition.

Not to mention exercise.

 Soy protein shakes your body

Erm...

 with a choice such as fruit and vegetables can do wonders.

That sentence made no sense.

 We bust past your plateau

Now this is just comical.


[Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
Is playing Nexuiz online SaaSS? RMS seemed to think so here, in the original
version of Who Does That Server Really Serve?:
http://www.bostonreview.net/richard-stallman-free-software-DRM
Interestingly enough, the passage where he mentions games is no longer in the
current updated version on the GNU website.

I personally don't share his view. I don't think that multiplayer games are
SaaSS because (in the case of an FPS like Nexuiz or a strategy game like
FreeCiv) each user still runs her own copy of the game- the server is simply an
instance of the game that just so happens to be the centre of information
exchange for the other instances. The only information actually on the server
that would normally be on the user's own computer is arbitrary data
like the state of play and the score.

If several people decided to play Monopoly, each recording the state of play on
their own boards (the separate programs, in this allegory) and communicating
through a 'postmaster' who controlled the flow of correspondence (the server),
there is no SaaSS, because no one is doing anyone else's computing for them.
How is this SaaSS?


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread gnuser
SVG pictures are actually potentially dangerous, that's why the Tor Browser  
disables them if you move the security slider to a higher position. BUT I  
don't know about png images. As for the file extension being enough to  
prevent a file from executing code, it should be simple to test, if I could  
bother to do so :P


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
So you spend all this time trying to convince me my panel's transparency
setting is bugged, and then just back off with an 'ok well' when I prove it
isn't.

I have no idea of any other way (other than using Compiz) to force the panel
items to take their background setting from the panel transparency setting. I
never really understood the appeal of a transparent panel anyway. Or Compiz,
for that matter. My experiences with it have had me find it ugly, bloated, and
unnecessary for a decent-looking desktop.


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
1. The warning you referenced clearly refers to the potential dangers of the
PNG being an executable in disguise.

2. BLAG gave a clear reason as to why SELinux is not enabled by default- it
does not work with certain legacy applications.

3. If SELinux was actual malware then a) BLAG would not have been the first to
discover it, b) there would be massive uproar all over the GNU/Linux community,
and c) it would be nowhere near the BLAG system.

Oh wait- it's the 'NSA is everywhere' guy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread dbpalma9
I'm glad NSA developed SELinux. If openSSL had been developed by NSA,  
heartbleed would probably have been discovered sooner. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to create a mail server?

2015-07-14 Thread topopzioni

Thank you for this post very informative  30 iopzioni   30 o9ckxz on 3


Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Wireless Problem

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
Is it? I've been living a lie!

I always put my own scripts and things in /usr/bin with everything else.

Is there some practical reason behind this? Or just Unix tradition?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with synaptic and apt-get update

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
Spelling and grammar, where art thou?

 It

what?

 reduce your cost down

No.

 in the apartment can be proud of

No.

 .apartments

Spacing? Capitalisation?

 for sale harlem

This sentence is a fragment. Consider revising.

 new york luxury apartments

No.

This is some of the shittiest forum advert spamming I've ever seen- worse than
the Louis Vuitton jacket hyperlink cascade type thing. There there is no
pretence at coherence- the links are presented on the off chance someone will
follow one of them. This particular piece of spam reads horribly, offers no
details, no information, no links to follow, and will fail to convince or
even influence anyone. Since no actual specific information is provided, I
would not even have a clue how to proceed even if I did wish to partake of 'It'.

I wouldn't even mind the spam that much if it was actually decent advertising.
This just makes my blood boil.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-07-14 Thread cooloutac
well if I can't convince you thats bugged what else can I say?   Compiz fixes  
the issue for me is all I can say...


THe guy who got me started with this on the IRC help channel believed  
transparency would help limit the screen burning on his monitor,  i guess he  
has a black desktop background, or maybe worried the whole panel wasn't  
transparent not sure.   I dunno if his worries are valid but i was determined  
to get it working.


I just think it looks cool,  i'm also using compiz to make the start menu and  
context menus transparent.  and using the trailfocus plugin for transparent  
windows, snapping windows and some other things. I don't find it bloated  
since I don't notice a change in memory,   and compiz is only using about  
3-6% cpu depending,   cpu running cool still.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread dbpalma9
It's not SaSS, like software repositories and webmail services aren't. It's  
only SaSS when the server is running software you don't know with your data  
that you could be running in your own machine, like wolfram alpha for  
example.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Any Trisquel users on the Libreboot X60 have their keyboards turn off randomly?

2015-07-14 Thread nicolasmaia

You can reach libreboot folks at the #libreboot IRC channel if need be.


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas

 SVG pictures are actually potentially dangerous

Why? I'm curios about this.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas
Thanks for the info onpon4. I didn't knew this was already happening, or even  
possible. This is exactly the nightmare that I have been seeing becoming true  
over time. This, the tablets/toasters, and everything that has cloud in  
their name is pure crap. Whether we are talking from a freedom,  
philosophical, privacy or independence point of view, we can only find this  
things dangerous. There's just some minor advantages that comes with this.  
For instance you can play games with awesome graphics on toasters as long as  
you have Internet connection. But the price that you pay on freedom,  
independence and privacy is just to high. Is people's duty to completely  
reject and ignore this horrible services if we don't want to live depending  
more and more on services that we don't even need.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas
If this is actually SaaSS then being under a free license isn't enough if  
you're going to use the service anyway. You have to run it on a computer  
under your control (both server and client). So the question isn't whether  
SaaSS can be acceptable under a free license but whether using someone's else  
Quake 3 server qualify as SaaSS.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas

Multiplayer games == SaaS?
Well this is new, sort of.

A SaaS game would be more like having the whole game on the server. So the  
client only sends the input and receives the frames. Could Stallman actually  
be referring to MMO games that have an important part of the game only in the  
server, like Habbo Hotel? If that's the case then I can see why he call them  
SaaS. But I can't if he refers to any multiplayer game, like OpenArena.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread onpon4
That actually has been done before; there was a system designed for this  
called the OnLive. I don't think it ever really caught on.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Private Browsing Tor Proxy not working anymore in Abrowser

2015-07-14 Thread mtlben
Cannot edit the first message, so here's some additional information: when I  
write that the addon doesn't work, what I mean is that when a Private  
Browsing opens, I don't see the Private Browsing Tor Proxy popup message  
notifying me that the Proxy has changed.  A visit to  
http://check.torproject.org confirms that the Private session is not using  
tor.


[Trisquel-users] Private Browsing Tor Proxy not working anymore in Abrowser

2015-07-14 Thread mtlben
On my main computer, the Private Browsing Tor Proxy addon is not working  
anymore in Abrowser.  It does work in IceCat, and still works in Abrowser on  
my secondary computer.  I may have changed some setting Abrowser (although I  
can't recall I did...).  Can anyone help me fix that problem (I have no clue  
what to look for and search engines don't provide any information)?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread onpon4
It seems obvious to me that he simply changed his mind. He was probably  
referring to exactly what it looks like in the original version. Like all  
human beings, RMS is imperfect and makes mistakes.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread tegskywalker
With these games (especially the Quake 3 ones), there is a dedicated server  
for the clients to connect to. If the client is under a free license, the  
server software is probably free as well.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread onpon4
It doesn't. Multiplayer games aren't your own computing, but a shared  
activity by multiple people.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas
Then we should ask Stallman what was he referring to with multiplayer games  
before people picks the wrong idea.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Any Trisquel users on the Libreboot X60 have their keyboards turn off randomly?

2015-07-14 Thread lovexdrew
How do you know it's a libreboot problem? Like I said it problem did not  
occur under other distros.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens

moxalt wrote:

Interestingly enough, the passage where he mentions games is no
longer in the current updated version on the GNU website.


Did you ask him why the versions differ with respect to your point? If 
so, what did he say in response?



I personally don't share his view. I don't think that multiplayer
games are SaaSS because (in the case of an FPS like Nexuiz or a
strategy game like FreeCiv) each user still runs her own copy of the
game- the server is simply an instance of the game that just so
happens to be the centre of information exchange for the other
instances. The only information actually on the server that would
normally be on the user's own computer is arbitrary data like the
state of play and the score.


Since Stallman says (in 
https://www.bostonreview.net/richard-stallman-free-software-DRM):



But where the data involved is just the state of play and the score,
the worst wrong the operator might commit is favoritism. You might
well ignore that risk, since it seems unlikely and very little is at
stake.


it seems like you don't really disagree with Stallman. Perhaps in 
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html he 
edited out the paragraph about multiplayer games for the very reason he 
said in the 
https://www.bostonreview.net/richard-stallman-free-software-DRM version 
-- [favoritism] seems unlikely and very little is at stake.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread tegskywalker
Why are you making such a big stink about this? It is software running on  
another server that you connect to and probably don't have any control of. If  
you have a problem with that, you may as well disconnect from the internet.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
Fair enough.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
But whether there is actually some grave threat or not is irrelevant. In the
same way that the issue with proprietary software is not necessarily that it is
directly abusing the user (in many cases it is not) but a matter of principle.
The issue at stake here is not what the operator could potentially do or not,
but whether the practice of using someone else's server for communicating
between instances of a game is actually SaaSS or not, and whether it should
thus be rejected on principle. I don't think it is.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas
I was trying to understand Stallman's position, but it seems he was just  
mistaking. So there's no reason to ask him now.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
That's exactly the question. I could be running Quake solely on my machine-
client and server. However, I am using someone else's server, and entrusting
them with that part of the game- acting as a hub of communication between all
instances of the game. Is this SaaSS? That is the question.


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread cooloutac
It seems there all sorts of attacks,  Lemba linked an example of a png file  
causing a memory corruption in firefox which can leak data out of memory.
There are also examples of png file causing buffer overflows in wmp and ie on  
windows which can let an attacker execute remote code.  There is an example  
png exploits in google chrome to allow for drive by downloads or browser  
search poisoning.  So I guess there are potential risks.


I'm not sure what this has to do with selinux though?  weird.



[Trisquel-users] Any Trisquel users on the Libreboot X60 have their keyboards turn off randomly?

2015-07-14 Thread lovexdrew
It probably only happens once every 1.5 months but still, my keyboard just  
seems to turn off. Trackpoint works fine! But there is no output from the  
keyboard at all. This does not seem to happen in other distros I tried on the  
Libreboot X60. I really can't tell what could cause it to happen, I just use  
this machine for a terminal and email and web stuff. I've not done any kind  
of tinkering with it or any keyboard settings. When I happens I generally  
either plug in a USB keyboard or reboot. Rebooting is the only thing that  
fixes it, currently. Could anyone help me here, please? Thanks for reading.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread danigaritarojas
You're right. This change clearly reflect that change:  
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/po/who-does-that-server-really-serve.ko-diff.html

So it's pretty much solved now, the article is just outdated.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?

2015-07-14 Thread moxalt
As well as things like AdventureQuest, which is an MMO hosted entirely in the
browser as a (*spits*) Flash game.


Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
I see two such vulnerabilities mentioned here  
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox/


Re: [Trisquel-users] What kind of email services are you using and recommend and why?

2015-07-14 Thread g . smyli
I started using hushmail before I found Trisquel and this forum. I paid for a  
years subscription but they were providing a web based only (uses javascript)  
account for free. It's Canadian, they say email is stored in encrypted form  
and my Evolution setup is using OpenPGP. It took me a long time to figure out  
how to use OpenPGP or enigmail. I wonder if there is a way to certify if my  
email really is encrypted.


I wasn't really worried about governmental mass surveillance but I would like  
my ISP to mind its own business. I'm not sure that email services outside of  
US or EU law zones don't carry other risks. I mean what is the law in Russia  
for instance, and does Putin prevent Russian hackers or even the NSA for that  
matter running supposedly secure email services?


I like the post and will spend some more time looking up all your  
recommendations.




Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag

2015-07-14 Thread tomlukeywood

well yeah but just be viewing a .png file is what i ment