Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread shiretoko
Isn't this whole "Unix Philosophy" more of a relic from a time when procedural programming was all that we had? With the merits of object oriented programming, it is possible for a program to consist of many loosely coupled components that to mainly one job and do it right, without breaking

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread onpon4
It's pretty obvious and simple why it is the case. In most languages I'm aware of, you can't easily (if at all) conditionally include libraries. You have to include the library and depend on that. So systemd offers a way to check how much of systemd is actually installed in a part of its

Re: [Trisquel-users] OK, where is it? (Trisquel 8.0)

2017-09-13 Thread ivan . baldinotti
Yep I have also the same error: The following error was encountered while trying to retrieve the URL: http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ Connection to 188.165.228.124 failed. The system returned: (111) Connection refused The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
The question is for CalmStorm then. Well, it actually is rhetorical: packages that do not use any functionality that systemd provides do not depend on it. And, of course, we are far from having "every package dependent on systemd". Of the 20k or so packages in Debian Jessie, a few depend

[Trisquel-users] OK, where is it? (Trisquel 8.0)

2017-09-13 Thread austin . green
There are claims in one or two threads that an alpha release is available, at this link: http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ However, trying to follow it leads to an error. Since there is also a thread asking for help with 8.0 release, I'm guessing that it must be available for

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread leestrobel
It was Calmstorm that suggested above that there were unnecessary dependencies: > seriously, why should every package even ones that don't require it be dependent on systemd... I then said, *if* that is the case, then it is bad and shouldn't be happening. I have no idea what specific

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
Right. But there are alternatives such as OpenRC and GNU Shepherd.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
Sure. It is only a matter of defining a variable in a configuration file (Trisquel's defaults can be different from Debian's): First of all, systemd-resolved is not used and enabled by default. If you actually do use systemd-resolved, disabling the fallback DNS server(s) is trivial. Either

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
See https://trisquel.info/fr/forum/about-systemd#comment-120790 about "deleting /": it was solved the day after the problem was reported. About user names starting with a number, they are invalid and tools in all major distributions (e.g., Debian's 'adduser') will refuse to create such a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

2017-09-13 Thread eloi . igor
Thank you very much! This was quite annoying. I had to change to Icecat in order to run around the problem.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
What program depends on systemd (probably only part of it, by the way) without using anything functionality that systemd provides?! I want a name.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
Lennart Poettering only wrote this message in the thread: I am not sure I'd consider this much of a problem. Yeah, it's a UNIX pitfall, but "rm -rf /foo/.*" will work the exact same way, no? https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644#issuecomment-290345033 Is that "hysterical"? If there

[Trisquel-users] Re : Password not recognized at login, HELP!

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
Do not reinstall Trisquel for that! Can you log in a terminal? To get such a terminal type Ctrl+Alt+F1, after the init. If you cannot, the password can still be changed through a live system and a 'chroot': https://trisquel.info/forum/locked-out-admin-log#comment-105213

[Trisquel-users] Re : What happened to the pre-release iso?

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
See https://trisquel.info/gl/forum/ongoing-issues-one-trisquel-servers

[Trisquel-users] Re : Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

2017-09-13 Thread lcerf
Thank you! Here is a command line (to copy-paste and execute in a terminal) to do the whole process, not overwriting (just appending the new rules) profile-directory/chrome/userChrome.css and profile-directory/chrome/userContent.css if they already exist: $

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread leestrobel
So, for those that don't like/want systemd, what are the viable alternatives? Seems like Upstart isn't being maintained any more, right?

[Trisquel-users] What happened to the pre-release iso?

2017-09-13 Thread dahunt
https://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ no longer works for me. Error 404. To where have they been moved?

[Trisquel-users] Free Software Foundation Europe launches "Public Money, Public Code"

2017-09-13 Thread Ignacio Agulló
Code! 31 organisations ask to improve public procurement of software https://fsfe.org/news/2017/news-20170913-01.en.html -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es

[Trisquel-users] Password not recognized at login, HELP!

2017-09-13 Thread anguriamelone
Hello to everyone! I cannot entry normally into my notebook with the password (not accepted), how can I solve in order to not reinstall the OS Trisquel?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ongoing issues with one of the Trisquel servers

2017-09-13 Thread icarolongo
Hello david. I want to install Trisquel 8 in my new HDD, is possible to upload the iso in another server? I tried install Trisquel 7 and ran dist-upgrade but failed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a libre version of Gentoo?

2017-09-13 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You're welcome! :) leestro...@gmail.com writes: > GuixSD looks interesting - I'll take a look at it. Thanks ADFENO :) >

Re: [Trisquel-users] apps

2017-09-13 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
I would suggest GNU Ring and also Tox. I know Tox can be installed using dpkg or apt (Trisquel's package managers, which are used in the "Add/Remove programs" and also by Synaptic). I have both installed in my copy of Trisquel, using GNU Guix, but I don't know if GNU Ring can be installed using

Re: [Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

2017-09-13 Thread arielgnu
UPDATE: We shouldn't use "! important" in my code, other wise font color on custom made websites would be overwritten as well :S So the code should be as follow: button, input[type="submit"], input[type="button"] { color: black; } Thank you all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

2017-09-13 Thread intheforest
>1 I'll try spending some time on #lgn :), I usually can be found on #intheforest >2 Indeed. You can sleep calmly.

[Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

2017-09-13 Thread arielgnu
Since a few updates I noticed that abrowser's default buttons font color was changed to white, making them very difficult to read with their gray background. I didn't find any post about it, so I wanted to share how I was able to change this. 1.- Open abrowser and press ALT to show the

[Trisquel-users] Ongoing issues with one of the Trisquel servers

2017-09-13 Thread david
Hello! We're having some issues with one of the servers that host some of the Trisquel project's infrastructures. As some of you have noticed, it's not currently possible to access devel.trisquel.info, our Jenkins/gitlab instance and some other development stuff. We're working to restore

Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox

2017-09-13 Thread greatgnu
> switch to Fastmail or Lavabit Lavabit for the win, mate. Ladar Levison is the king of the kings, a true hero, one of the few men who will never sell out, and one that you can really trust.

Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox

2017-09-13 Thread masonhock
Of course. I only asked because I after reading their comment I am likely to switch to Fastmail or Lavabit, and if there was something wrong with the information they gave I'd have liked to know.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread greatgnu
> So where are the horror stories? Have one -> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 Pottering, da man. He knows everything there is to know in the entire universe. You can see it clearly. He also acts like a hysterical grandma overdosed on MDMA, but then again that's because he

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

2017-09-13 Thread greatgnu
>Do You Enjoy mediagoblin? Yeah \o/ >Would you want to recreate the Internet in which everyone can share freely? I would just want to recreate Warhol but I wouldn't use some stupid Monroe; instead I'll use the prophet :P https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/mrtx/m/rms-the-beautiful/

Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox

2017-09-13 Thread greatgnu
>Could whoever downvoted FindEssential's comment explain why? Coz 'they can', obviously. Every downvoting system is inevitably prone to abuse. Ever browsed reddit?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Parabola Gnu/Linux

2017-09-13 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Nice to see people experimenting with free/libre distros. Don't forget that they also have an assistance/help mailing list: . kernelpanic2...@gmail.com writes: > Hello to all, > So it is not the appropriate forum but I wanted to know if any of

Re: [Trisquel-users] It's Software Freedom Day on Sept 16th

2017-09-13 Thread leestrobel
Cool! :-D

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread leestrobel
> A part of systemd, which is very small, has to be included so a program can determine whether or not systemd is actually available. So, you have to have systemd, before you can determine whether or not you have systemd? That sounds somewhat circular to me .. (good trick they pulled

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread onpon4
A part of systemd, which is very small, has to be included so a program can determine whether or not systemd is actually available. That's all. It's needed for a program to optionally depend on systemd rather than forcefully depend on systemd or having to build separate versions with and

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread .
On 09/13/2017 09:15 AM, you wrote: > > Oh that, and Parabola can also be run without Systemd AFAIK (Arch can, > which in turn is why Manjaro can as well). Yes, and I also forgot Hyperbola but hopefully I have not forgotten that I don't know everything there is to know about everything and that

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread davesamcdxv
"Removing systemd is beyond the scope of the Trisquel project" Not what I'm asking at all though. I am on Slackware, and I guess I do enjoy the lack of Systemd, but the reason for me being here is unrelated to Systemd :) If things happen that make me want to move to e.g. post-Upstart

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread davesamcdxv
"Likewise, I can't think of anything people complain about in systemd that there is any legitimate ethical basis to be upset about." Me neither, in many ways, I can understand that a lot of people don't like systemd but yeah, it's free, and I'm not quite of the knowledge to decide it's

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

2017-09-13 Thread .
This is looking great, nickylodeon. Did you ever get connected with "Heather Jr." on IRC? If not, he's probably about ready for mediagoblin by now so I'll send him on over in the next few days. It's good to see the community building you've been doing among the younger generation. You and my

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread leestrobel
I agree that packages shouldn't have unnecessary dependencies - that doesn't seem to be in the spirit of free software. But, why would package developers include a dependency on systemd, if it's not required? Just because they're fanboys of it? Seems to me that this software that's

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to manipulate graphics settings from CLI?

2017-09-13 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Also, I would go with the same advice given by Magic Banana (to remove nVidia graphics card), but I must contribute to it even further by saying: You can have it removed by asking a computer technician to do it for you. You don't need to do it yourself. blogst...@hushmail.com writes: > I

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread onpon4
I think the point is that the criticisms of systemd are all technically minded. For example, yeah, you could say that you think having an "X" to close the window on the top-right instead of the top-left is morally wrong because it "goes against the philosophy" of some OS you're used to, but

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread .
Systemd is, above all, one of those extremely controversial subjects like politics and infant feeding methods, that people are going to have strong opinions about. It's best not to bring it up unless you are genuinely interested in a quick survey of people's opinions, as th OP has here, or maybe

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

2017-09-13 Thread davesamcdxv
"there should be practical consequences for that supposed philosophical wrongdoing. So where are the horror stories? Why aren't distros fleeing from it? In fact it not only seems to work perfectly well, but outperform legacy software such as with boot times, and distros are flocking to it"

[Trisquel-users] It's Software Freedom Day on Sept 16th

2017-09-13 Thread trisquelforum
"Software Freedom Day (SFD) is an annual worldwide celebration of Free Software organized by Digital Freedom Foundation. SFD is a public education effort with the aim of increasing awareness of Free Software and its virtues, and encouraging its use." The FSFE is celebrating at c-base in