Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[shiretoko]

Isn't this whole "Unix Philosophy" more of a relic from a time when  
procedural programming was all that we had?
With the merits of object oriented programming, it is possible for a program  
to consist of many loosely coupled components that to mainly one job and do  
it right, without breaking the whole thing.
It seems to me that this is what the Unix Philosophy tried to achieve in  
between different programs, rather than inside of each program (because it  
was not possible back then or at least hard to do).
Just my guess. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[onpon4]

It's pretty obvious and simple why it is the case. In most languages I'm  
aware of, you can't easily (if at all) conditionally include libraries. You  
have to include the library and depend on that. So systemd offers a way to  
check how much of systemd is actually installed in a part of its API. Very  
useful. And what's the cost? Not very big. You have to download a tiny part  
of systemd because you're running programs that optionally depend on it.


Why does this need to be explained, anyway? We're talking technical details  
of how a non-specific program functions. I think these kinds of technical  
issues should be left to those who are doing the technical work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] OK, where is it? (Trisquel 8.0)

[ivan . baldinotti]

Yep I have also the same error:

The following error was encountered while trying to retrieve the URL:  
http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/


Connection to 188.165.228.124 failed.

The system returned: (111) Connection refused

The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again.


It seems the server with the jenkins is down.
Last week was working and I downloaded a trisquel 8 iso and tried.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

[lcerf]

The question is for CalmStorm then.  Well, it actually is rhetorical:  
packages that do not use any functionality that systemd provides do not  
depend on it.


And, of course, we are far from having "every package dependent on systemd".   
Of the 20k or so packages in Debian Jessie, a few depend on systemd, more  
depend on libsystemd0.  In fact, 67 directly depend on "libsystemd0"  
according to 'apt-cache showpkg libsystemd0':
weston, transmission-daemon, tor, tgt, systemd-dbg, systemd, libsystemd-dev,  
syslog-ng-core, stunnel4, sssd-krb5-common, sssd-common, spice-vdagent, sddm,  
sane-utils, rsyslog, remctl-server, realmd, python3-systemd, pulseaudio,  
libpulse0, libprocps4, php5-fpm, packagekit, openvpn, onak, nsca-ng-server,  
network-manager, libmutter0f, monopd, mate-system-monitor,  
mate-session-manager, mate-screensaver, mate-accountsdialog, light-locker,  
libvirt0, libvirt-daemon-system, libvirt-daemon, libguestfs0, guestfsd, lbcd,  
kde-config-systemd, iodine, inn, gvfs-daemons, gnome-system-monitor,  
gnome-shell, gnome-session-bin, gnome-screensaver, gnome-logs,  
gnome-disk-utility, libgdm1, gdm3, fcgiwrap, erlang-base-hipe, erlang-base,  
dnscrypt-proxy, cups-daemon, clamav-daemon, cinnamon-settings-daemon,  
cinnamon-session, cinnamon-screensaver, cgminer, beanstalkd, apt-cacher-ng,  
acpi-fakekey, libaccountsservice0, mpd

[Trisquel-users] OK, where is it? (Trisquel 8.0)

[austin . green]

There are claims in one or two threads that an alpha release is available, at  
this link:

http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/
However, trying to follow it leads to an error.

Since there is also a thread asking for help with 8.0 release, I'm guessing  
that it must be available for download somewhere ... please, just a small  
clue?

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[leestrobel]

It was Calmstorm that suggested above that there were unnecessary  
dependencies:


> seriously, why should every package even ones that don't require it be  
dependent on systemd...


I then said, *if* that is the case, then it is bad and shouldn't be  
happening. I have no idea what specific packages he was referring to.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

[lcerf]

Right.  But there are alternatives such as OpenRC and GNU Shepherd.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

[lcerf]

Sure.  It is only a matter of defining a variable in a configuration file  
(Trisquel's defaults can be different from Debian's):


First of all, systemd-resolved is not used and enabled by default.
If you actually do use systemd-resolved, disabling the
fallback DNS server(s) is trivial.
Either edit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and set
FallbackDNS=
or create a drop-in snippet like this:
mkdir /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/
echo -e "[Resolve]\nFallbackDNS=" >  
/etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/no-fallback.conf

Then run systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=0;bug=761658;msg=216

Notice that the fallback DNS server is only used when no DNS server is  
configured.  When you connect to Internet, a DHCP server administrated by  
your Internet provider should send you the addresses of DNS servers (usually  
its own) and the fallback is never used.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

[lcerf]

See https://trisquel.info/fr/forum/about-systemd#comment-120790 about  
"deleting /": it was solved the day after the problem was reported.


About user names starting with a number, they are invalid and tools in all  
major distributions (e.g., Debian's 'adduser') will refuse to create such a  
user.  If, in the configuration of a service, the "User" does not exist, the  
service fails on start (and the issue is logged).  So, to face the problem,  
you need to create a user with an invalid user name, bypassing the normal  
ways to do so.  It does not look absurd to ignore such a problem.  Lennart  
Poettering calmly explained that in several messages in the thread.  Here  
they are (all):


https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-311900864
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-312479534
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-312481714
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-314389275

Re: [Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

[eloi . igor]

Thank you very much! This was quite annoying. I had to change to Icecat in  
order to run around the problem. 

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

[lcerf]

What program depends on systemd (probably only part of it, by the way)  
without using anything functionality that systemd provides?!  I want a name.

[Trisquel-users] Re : About systemd

[lcerf]

Lennart Poettering only wrote this message in the thread:

I am not sure I'd consider this much of a problem. Yeah, it's a UNIX pitfall,  
but "rm -rf /foo/.*" will work the exact same way, no?

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644#issuecomment-290345033

Is that "hysterical"?  If there must be "hysterical grandmas" in that thread,  
they are the haters finding outrageous that Lennart Poettering ask a question  
on the behavior of 'rm -rf /foo/.*' (notice the "no?" at the end of his  
message):


For some people it's advisable to never miss a chance to stay silent. (...)  
Way to highlight how little consideration is being given to issues reported  
by systemd users. Bodes well for the whole project!..

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644#issuecomment-294384461

shocking to hear. no, and you REALLY should know that as many others do or AT  
LEAST test it before pretend such nonsense - frankly

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644#issuecomment-294414802

Moreover, Lennart Poeterring is actually right since he was talking about  
UNIX, not GNU/Linux.


Finally, the problem in question was solved the day after it was reported:  
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/ab883125704b9310dcdfcf7451a27e85609da76c


But the solution was improved the day after because Lennart Poeterring  
proposed a better fix:  
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/5653#issuecomment-290346072


In the end, if there is a "horror story" here, it must have to do with  
Lennart Poettering constantly suffering from haters who do not lose an  
occasion to attack/insult him because he does *not* know everything or for no  
reason at all...

[Trisquel-users] Re : Password not recognized at login, HELP!

[lcerf]

Do not reinstall Trisquel for that!  Can you log in a terminal?  To get such  
a terminal type Ctrl+Alt+F1, after the init.  If you cannot, the password can  
still be changed through a live system and a 'chroot':  
https://trisquel.info/forum/locked-out-admin-log#comment-105213

[Trisquel-users] Re : What happened to the pre-release iso?

[lcerf]

See https://trisquel.info/gl/forum/ongoing-issues-one-trisquel-servers

[Trisquel-users] Re : Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

[lcerf]

Thank you!

Here is a command line (to copy-paste and execute in a terminal) to do the  
whole process, not overwriting (just appending the new rules)  
profile-directory/chrome/userChrome.css and  
profile-directory/chrome/userContent.css if they already exist:
$ chrome=~/.mozilla/abrowser/$(grep Path= ~/.mozilla/abrowser/profiles.ini |  
cut -d = -f 2)/chrome; mkdir -p $chrome; echo 'button, input[type="submit"],  
input[type="button"] {color: black;}' | tee -a $chrome/userChrome.css >>  
$chrome/userContent.css

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[leestrobel]

So, for those that don't like/want systemd, what are the viable alternatives?  
Seems like Upstart isn't being maintained any more, right?

[Trisquel-users] What happened to the pre-release iso?

[dahunt]

https://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ no longer works for me.  Error  
404.  To where have they been moved?  

[Trisquel-users] Free Software Foundation Europe launches "Public Money, Public Code"

[Ignacio Agulló]

 The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) launched today the
campaing "Public Money, Public Code.  The title says it all: if we the
public are paying for the code, why isn't it released under a free license?

 This is the campaigns site:

Public Money, Public Code
http://publiccode.eu/

  These are the 31 organizations that signed the Open Letter, which
2718 people have already signed (myself included): April, Associação
Ensino Livre, Associação Nacional para o Software Livre (ANSOL), Chaos
Computer Club (CCC), Courage Foundation, D3-Defesa dos Direitos
Digitais, Digitalcourage, Digitale Gesellschaft, Dyne.org Foundation,
ePaństwo Foundation, European Digital Rights (EDRi), Expose Facts, Free
Software Foundation Europe (FSFE), GFOSS, HackYourPhD, KDE, Linux User
Group Of Slovenia (LUGOS), Linuxwochen, Modern Poland Foundation,
quintessenz, Open Knowledge Foundation Deutschland, Open Labs, Open
Rights Group, Open Source Business Alliance, Open Source Initiative
(OSI), openSUSE, Public Software CIC, Software Liberty Association
Taiwan, The Document Foundation, Wikimedia Deutschland, Xnet.

 This is the announcement at the FSFEs website:

Public Money? Public Code! 31 organisations ask to improve public
procurement of software
https://fsfe.org/news/2017/news-20170913-01.en.html

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es

[Trisquel-users] Password not recognized at login, HELP!

[anguriamelone]

Hello to everyone!

I cannot entry normally into my notebook with the password (not accepted),  
how can I solve in order to not reinstall the OS Trisquel?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ongoing issues with one of the Trisquel servers

[icarolongo]

Hello david.
I want to install Trisquel 8 in my new HDD, is possible to upload the iso in  
another server? I tried install Trisquel 7 and ran dist-upgrade but failed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a libre version of Gentoo?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

You're welcome! :)

leestro...@gmail.com writes:

> GuixSD looks interesting - I'll take a look at it. Thanks ADFENO :)
>

Re: [Trisquel-users] apps

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I would suggest GNU Ring and also Tox.

I know Tox can be installed using dpkg or apt (Trisquel's package
managers, which are used in the "Add/Remove programs" and also by
Synaptic).

I have both installed in my copy of Trisquel, using GNU Guix, but I
don't know if GNU Ring can be installed using dpkg/apt (Trisquel's
package managers) --- although it's been a while since I don't do this
so I don't if the dependency issues still exist.

If you want to install GNU Ring using GNU Guix, the related package
recipes are still under test, and are available in [1]. They are not
official packages as of yet because various patches still need to be
sent to --- and accepted by --- the affected projects.

[1]
.

sigd...@gmail.com writes:

> Messaging apps like Telegram in Trisquel. Which?
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

[arielgnu]

UPDATE: We shouldn't use "! important" in my code, other wise font color on  
custom made websites would be overwritten as well :S


So the code should be as follow:

button, input[type="submit"], input[type="button"] {
color: black;
}

Thank you all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

[intheforest]

>1

I'll try spending some time on #lgn :), I usually can be found on  
#intheforest


>2

Indeed. You can sleep calmly.

[Trisquel-users] Changing abrowser's buttons font color (SOLVED)

[arielgnu]

Since a few updates I noticed that abrowser's default buttons font color was  
changed to white, making them very difficult to read with their gray  
background.


I didn't find any post about it, so I wanted to share how I was able to  
change this.


1.- Open abrowser and press ALT to show the top menu, then click on Help →  
Troubleshooting Information


2.- Click the Show Folder button beside the Profile Folder entry.

3.- Once there, look for and open your abrowser's profile directory. If you  
haven't create any other profile, that will be the one that ends in  
".default"


4.- Create a directory and name it "chrome".

5.- Go into the recently created directory "chrome" and create two files with  
the following names: "userChrome.css" and "userContent.css".


6.- Copy and paste the following in the two files and save.

button, input[type="submit"], input[type="button"] {
color: black ! important;
}

7.- Finally restart abrowser.

Maybe some one can come up with a better code.

Another thing that can be appreciated is that the buttons seem to be a little  
small. Apparently they lack upper and bottom paddings. This could be solved  
with a little extra css code, but for now, I think I'll leave them as they  
are as they don't bother me too much and I'm hopping this will be solved in  
future updates.


I believe this is an abrowser bug so I might file a bug report if others are  
having the same problem.


Thank you all.

[Trisquel-users] Ongoing issues with one of the Trisquel servers

[david]

Hello!

We're having some issues with one of the servers that host some of the  
Trisquel project's infrastructures. As some of you have noticed, it's not  
currently possible to access devel.trisquel.info, our Jenkins/gitlab instance  
and some other development stuff.


We're working to restore these services as soon as possible but what we  
expected to take just some hours of downtime is getting more complicated and  
we're sorry we can't give an ETA yet.


Since we had been intending for some time to renew several infrastructures to  
provide a better environment to the project, we're also working on that plan.


Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for all your help, we'll make sure to  
make you all proud of being a part of the project in the near future.

Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox

[greatgnu]

> switch to Fastmail or Lavabit

Lavabit for the win, mate. Ladar Levison is the king of the kings, a true  
hero, one of the few men who will never sell out, and one that you can really  
trust.

Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox

[masonhock]

Of course. I only asked because I after reading their comment I am likely to  
switch to Fastmail or Lavabit, and if there was something wrong with the  
information they gave I'd have liked to know.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[greatgnu]

> So where are the horror stories?

Have one -> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644


Pottering, da man. He knows everything there is to know in the entire  
universe. You can see it clearly. He also acts like a hysterical grandma  
overdosed on MDMA, but then again that's because he knows everything. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

[greatgnu]

>Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

Yeah \o/

>Would you want to recreate the Internet in which everyone can share freely?

I would just want to recreate Warhol but I wouldn't use some stupid Monroe;  
instead I'll use the prophet :P



https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/mrtx/m/rms-the-beautiful/

Re: [Trisquel-users] What service do you recommend to replace OpenMailBox

[greatgnu]

>Could whoever downvoted FindEssential's comment explain why?

Coz 'they can', obviously. Every downvoting system is inevitably prone to  
abuse. Ever browsed reddit? 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Parabola Gnu/Linux

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Nice to see people experimenting with free/libre distros.

Don't forget that they also have an assistance/help mailing list:
.

kernelpanic2...@gmail.com writes:

> Hello to all,
> So it is not the appropriate forum but I wanted to know if any of you
> used Gnu / Linux Parabola.
> Last night pushed by the curiosity of trying it I downloaded the iso
> and I created a bootable usb.
> Well, as long as the system is in live it works perfectly but as soon
> as I finish the setup I get a lot of errors and the system does not
> start.
> Unfortunately I can not tell you the error messages because last night
> I did not save them but if someone who actually uses it is able to
> help me tonight puts the screenshots post installation.
> Thank you all
> Have a good day
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] It's Software Freedom Day on Sept 16th

[leestrobel]

Cool! :-D

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[leestrobel]

> A part of systemd, which is very small, has to be included so a program can  
determine whether or not systemd is actually available.


So, you have to have systemd, before you can determine whether or not you  
have systemd? That sounds somewhat circular to me .. (good trick they pulled  
there! ;-) )

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[onpon4]

A part of systemd, which is very small, has to be included so a program can  
determine whether or not systemd is actually available. That's all. It's  
needed for a program to optionally depend on systemd rather than forcefully  
depend on systemd or having to build separate versions with and without.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[.]

On 09/13/2017 09:15 AM, you wrote:
>
> Oh that, and Parabola can also be run without Systemd AFAIK (Arch can,
> which in turn is why Manjaro can as well).

Yes, and I also forgot Hyperbola but hopefully I have not forgotten that
I don't know everything there is to know about everything and that if
things do happen that make me want to adopt systemd in the future, my
mentors and homies will still welcome me back and be willing to take
five or ten minutes out of their busy lives to answer my questions.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[davesamcdxv]

"Removing systemd is beyond the scope of the Trisquel project" Not what I'm  
asking at all though. I am on Slackware, and I guess I do enjoy the lack of  
Systemd, but the reason for me being here is unrelated to Systemd :)


If things happen that make me want to move to e.g. post-Upstart Trisquel, I  
will, and Systemd won't (at least for *objective* reasons) stop me.


Oh that, and Parabola can also be run without Systemd AFAIK (Arch can, which  
in turn is why Manjaro can as well).

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[davesamcdxv]

"Likewise, I can't think of anything people complain about in systemd that  
there is any legitimate ethical basis to be upset about." Me neither, in many  
ways, I can understand that a lot of people don't like systemd but yeah, it's  
free, and I'm not quite of the knowledge to decide it's otherwise not the  
better way to go anyway, so I'm not arguing there at all.


But OTOH simply saying that people will flock to the "better" thing thereby  
correctly determining whether a philosophical issue is there (something you  
totally didn't, but IrishUSA IMO did) would put into question why Trisquel,  
etc bother existing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do You Enjoy mediagoblin?

[.]

This is looking great, nickylodeon.  Did you ever get connected with
"Heather Jr." on IRC? If not, he's probably about ready for mediagoblin
by now so I'll send him on over in the next few days.

It's good to see the community building you've been doing among the
younger generation. You and my youngest son are a force for good in the
universe and on the internet. I feel much safer knowing that you are out
there to spin the world for me when I am too old.

Much respect and please keep up the good work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[leestrobel]

I agree that packages shouldn't have unnecessary dependencies - that doesn't  
seem to be in the spirit of free software. But, why would package developers  
include a dependency on systemd, if it's not required? Just because they're  
fanboys of it?


Seems to me that this software that's 'bootstrapping the user space' should  
be pretty much transparent to the higher-level packages.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to manipulate graphics settings from CLI?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Also, I would go with the same advice given by Magic Banana (to remove
nVidia graphics card), but I must contribute to it even further by
saying:

You can have it removed by asking a computer technician to do it for
you. You don't need to do it yourself.

blogst...@hushmail.com writes:

> I couldn't sit idle on this problem, so my internet search found:
> https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA
>
> That looks to address a similar problem or solution approach as I
> thought up; QUOTE:
> Configuration
>
> Display
>
> This is no longer necessary, starting with kernel version 4.1.
>
> Intel Graphics using i915 driver. X.org works flawlessly.
>
> It might be needed to manually force the brightness level, which seems
> to default to a very low value (390 out of a maximum of 7812). There
> are several ways to do this, but a simple solution is to add this line
> in /etc/sysfs.conf (make sure you have the package sysfsutils
> installed) :
>
> # Set brightness level, maximum is 7812, needed for Linux Kernel < 4.1
> class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness = 5000
>
> -END QUOTE-
>
> THE STORM WINDS HAVE ARRIVED - I'll log out and turn off/unplug my
> computer for protection.
> Ciao!
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[onpon4]

I think the point is that the criticisms of systemd are all technically  
minded. For example, yeah, you could say that you think having an "X" to  
close the window on the top-right instead of the top-left is morally wrong  
because it "goes against the philosophy" of some OS you're used to, but it  
doesn't hold water because there isn't any legitimate basis for an ethical  
concern there. Likewise, I can't think of anything people complain about in  
systemd that there is any legitimate ethical basis to be upset about. For  
example:


* Going against "Unix philosophy": just a design preference, or does that  
mean that any OS that isn't a Unix system is unethical somehow?


* The way logs, scripts, etc are done: so you don't like it done that way.  
What, is C++ unethical because I don't like it?


* The way the developer develops it: so you don't trust him. Or maybe you  
just don't like him personally. Ergo, you have to like everyone who develops  
a program you use? On what basis? Certainly not any ethical one I can think  
of. Last I checked it wasn't unethical to be unpopular.


This is an issue of pragmatism and personal preference, not ethics. So I  
think it does logically follow that people will flock over to the better  
option. The only exception would be if you think copyleft is unethical (like  
the BSD developers do), in which case the only problem you face is that  
systemd is a popular copylefted collection of software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[.]

Systemd is, above all, one of those extremely controversial subjects
like politics and infant feeding methods, that people are going to have
strong opinions about. It's best not to bring it up unless you are
genuinely interested in a quick survey of people's opinions, as th OP
has here, or maybe once in awhile as a tongue-in-cheek analogy for
politics, infant feeding methods, etc.

Trisquel 8 will have systemd. That is a fact and we have all known it
for some time. It took two years for Devuan Jessie to be ready enough
for the "average Joe". Removing systemd is beyond the scope of the
Trisquel project, which is downstream to Ubuntu Xenial Xeres which is
downstream to Debian Jessie.

Trisquel 7 uses upstart and is systemd-free to the best of my knowledge.
It is still supported with security updates, isn't particularly buggy
any more, and fits like a comfortable old shoe. There's no sense in
harshing that mellow instead of enjoying this great distro and this
amazing community while it lasts.

If you are looking for systemd-free alternatives, there are Devuan, Free
Slack (64 bit only), Guix, Void, Funtoo, Alpine, Manjaro and probably
many others I am unaware of.

Re: [Trisquel-users] About systemd

[davesamcdxv]

"there should be practical consequences for that supposed philosophical  
wrongdoing. So where are the horror stories? Why aren't distros fleeing from  
it? In fact it not only seems to work perfectly well, but outperform legacy  
software such as with boot times, and distros are flocking to it"


Which is what everyone does to nonfree software in our OS. They don't flee,  
they embrace it. It seems to not only work perfectly well, but outperform  
free software in many things.


I'm not a staunch anti-systemd guy at all (despite my being on Slackware),  
but I don't see how that's a very good argument personally.

[Trisquel-users] It's Software Freedom Day on Sept 16th

[trisquelforum]

"Software Freedom Day (SFD) is an annual worldwide celebration of Free  
Software organized by Digital Freedom Foundation. SFD is a public education  
effort with the aim of increasing awareness of Free Software and its virtues,  
and encouraging its use."


The FSFE is celebrating at c-base in Berlin:  
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2017/Germany/Berlin/JointSFDBerlin
The FSF has an open house at their Boston office:  
http://www.fsf.org/events/fsf-open-house-for-software-freedom-day

(so far no news from the other FSF's AFAIK)

Main link: https://www.softwarefreedomday.org/