Thanks for looking into this. If I understand correctly, the Debian kernel
can't replace the NTC kernel because it does not have NAND support, but the
NTC kernel's NAND support is not proprietary; it's other drivers/firmware
that make the NTC kernel non-free. In that case, would it be
I'm trying to figure out how to run 'deblob-check'. In 'deblob-check' it says
# usage: deblob-check [-S] [-v] [-v] [-s S] [--reverse-patch] \
#[--use-...|--gen-flex] [-lDdBbCcXxPpFftVh?H] \
#*.tar* patch-* [-i prefix/] *.patch *.diff...
I've downloaded the NTC kernel via git
Try this.
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/setup
Let us know if you get stuck.
Trisquel's main repository has atheros-firmware. Debian's non-free repository
has firmware-atheros. They're different packages. Magic Banana is referring
to open-ath9k-htc-firmware, which is the free replacement for
firmware-atheros. If you would like to use open-ath9k-htc-firmware in a
If your goal is to have more modern computing without compromising freedom,
Purism seems like a non-solution, as they do compromise freedom and don't
appear genuinely interested in solving the problems they insist are
temporary. Leah and Chris contribute part of their profits to the
I'm responding to comment #46 down here because things were starting to get a
little too scrunched to read. (It would be great if the indent width of
comment replies were halved so that it would take twice as long for this to
happen.)
After making deblob-check executable, running
I might have figured it out. The reason deblob-check was only printing one
filename is that it exits once it finds a blob. By commenting out the exit
line I was able to get it to keep looking and list all files with blobs.
As expected, running deblob-check on the original kernel results in
Of course you have the right to spend your money as you choose, whether it's
on a Purism laptop or some oceanfront property in Colorado. Your right to do
something is a separate debate from whether or not it is a good idea.
The last version of deblob-* to contain
drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nvkm/subdev/pmu/fuc/gf110.fuc4 is deblob-4.2, so out
of curiosity I tried including that in the directory instead and running $
./deblob 4.2 Sure enough, the script was able find all files it was looking
for and complete
I let Enlightenment pressure me into installing connman, which uninstalls the
existing network manager. I am now struggling to connect to Ethernet or WiFi
with connman. I've attempted these instructions. When I run # ps faux | grep
connmand I get root 549 0.0 0.1 6708 2120 ? Ss 11:07 0:00
I ended up just downloading the deb file for network-manager on another
computer, transferring it over on USB stick, removing connman, and installing
network-manager via dpkg.
If you start a thread about your booting issue (what does the red "failed"
message appear next to), I'm sure someone here can help you with it.
If you are frustrated the menu bar and other interface features, then your
problem is not with Trisquel but with the desktop environment, GNOME.
Thanks for the links. Gearbest seems to only be selling the device with
Windows 10, not Ubuntu. Do you know if the bootloader supports booting into
and installing another OS from a USB drive?
Parabola is a great alternative. I'm using it on one of my machines and love
it. Assuming that the only difference between Devuan and Debian is not using
systemd, then that is also a good option as long as you don't use the
non-free and contrib repositories. However, Ubuntu and Mint are not
I think that your confusion is with copyright and copyleft work and how
licenses apply to software. You seem to be under the impression that the
license applies to only binaries, but it applies to the source code. Having
access to the source code does not allow you to use, modify, or
Great! Thanks for helping out.
TRIBOLASENSUK/Gnewbolatriruk, or as I've taken to calling it lately,
TRIBOLASENSUK+Gnewbolatriruk.
> Imagine the creators of trisquel, parabola, gnewsense and uruk would join
forces and produce one well maintained OS instead of many more or less
outdated ones.
I agree with your overall point, but Parabola isn't outdated. The only
problem I see with Parabola is that it is unsuitable for
I only ran the last Beta version live without installing and it was a little
while ago, but here's what I remember:
(1) I liked the default MATE configuration better than Trisquel's, primarily
because it had a search bar, making it easier to find the things I wanted to
change.
(2) The
I agree that the rating system is not really necessary and a little silly.
There was also that thread a few months ago (which I won't link to because it
should stay dead) in which someone intentionally abused the system with
multiple down-votes from the same IP address to hide certain
> I don't share your experience with this system
It's likely that my experience is incomplete. I only recently realized that
it only takes a couple of downvotes to hide comments. In fact, for a while I
was confused when people talked about comments being hidden because I've
never had
Maybe something like this would be better than up/down-votes.
(1) Replace the +/- with "flag as inappropriate"
(2) If you click "flag as inappropriate" the community guidelines are
displayed and you are asked to mark which ones have been broken.
(3) If you mark at least one and press submit,
(7) If someone's flags are reversed a certain number of times, they are
suspended from being able to flag comments. They should be warned about this
before pressing submit.
Ha, I was just going through the troll lounge and realized that your comment
that got down-voted was in response to mine. My comment above probably seemed
really passive-aggressive. I honestly hadn't seen your comment yet.
Your comment was constructive and should not have been down-voted. I
I've only ever seen quantumgravity be helpful and constructive, so I believe
that if he received downvotes they were unjustified. But as you say it's best
to just ignore nonsense like that.
I just noticed your use of the word "we" here. That goes beyond simple
immaturity. You are fraudulently claiming to be a Trisquel developer to
create the impression that your FUD is credible. This thread needs to be
deleted.
This reminded me that when I installed Flidas via the text installer I did
not have the screen at which to select a DE like in the Belenos text
installer. After the install I had just a black screen. I didn't think to try
Ctrl+Alt+F7 so I just reinstalled using the graphical installer, after
I've never tried livestreamer, but gtk-youtube-viewer streams. Well, really
it just opens vlc or mpv with the url and the player streams it.
gtk-youtube-viewer can search, download, stream, display comments, display
the description, and search by channel.
You can view all playlists by a
Yes, that would be more convenient than having to copy/paste into the app,
but at this point I'm happy to have at least one option (gtk-youtube-viewer)
that works at all. Any solution that doesn't allow us to be tracked will
eventually be broken by Google, so it doesn't seem worth optimizing
Have Protonmail made their webmail usable without proprietary JavaScript
and/or added IMAP support so that webmail is unnecessary? I looked into using
them a few months ago, and while they seemed great in terms of privacy their
service was unfortunately incompatible with software freedom.
Suspend and hibernate work on my librebooted ThinkPad x60 running Trisquel 8.
Both worked with Trisquel 7 too.
> They're actually probably the only way you
> could legally distribute embedded JavaScript if it is under > the GNU
> General Public License.
Onpon4 makes some good points on this here:
https://onpon4.github.io/other/kill-js/
> and it limits what
> Facebook and other malicious sites can do
Patents stifle innovation by preventing one from building on the work of
others. It is inefficient to have to repeat work just because a component of
your project is NIH.
The government should break up monopolies. Patents allow it to grant them
instead. This incentivizes companies to
While we're here, would anyone like to share their thoughts on systemd or
give Purism credit for other people's work?
In order for Trisquel to run on a Raspberry Pi it would have to include
non-free firmware, infringing on user freedom and becoming ineligible for FSF
endorsement. https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers
The only libre replacement for the Raspberry Pi that I'm aware of is the
A relationship with the developer of or company controlling a piece of
proprietary software is like any other abusive relationship. Often, the
relationship is perpetuated by emotional or practical dependence on
perpetrator, sometimes to the point that the victim will defend their abuser.
Thanks for sharing this. I hope you know what a positive force you are in
this forum.
The indentation is a huge improvement. Thank you.
I've been using Trisquel 8 for weeks. It's basically ready with just a few
things to wrap up. However, if you are unwilling to use it until the official
release and want to use a similarly accessible distro in the meantime, Ubuntu
would be a better temporary compromise than Mint.
Ubuntu
If you stick to MATE everything works great except for a few minor bugs. The
only important missing/broken packages I've run into are firmware-ath9k-htc
(so some users might have to build it or download a deb file to use WiFi) and
some dependencies of Xfce. Things like this might be what is
If your only problem with Firefox is its addon policies, Abrowser is the most
similar alternative that addresses that. The version of Abrowser in the
Trisquel 8 repository has already been updated to version 57.
Icecat would be a good option if you would like some additional privacy
Installing the addon automatically was indeed a mistake. I believe that it
was an honest mistake on Mozilla's part, as I'm sure they value their
privacy-respecting image over a game, but it certainly erodes trust.
The addon in and of itself doesn't seem malicious, and because it is libre
https://xkcd.com/1508/
I'm sorry this happened again, Leah. Thanks so much for all of your hard
work. I'm glad that a variety of vendors can ethically distribute
freedom-respecting laptops that you made possible.
Forum posts do not seem to be the best medium for providing information about
products from any of
I don't know if it's the case with Trisquel Mini, but with some other live
CDs I've found that they'll make the ISO smaller by only containing what's
necessary to try out and install.
There's a $25 one,
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb
but no, your WiFi card will not work without proprietary firmware.
I'm not too familiar with LXDE (the desktop environment for Trisquel Mini)
but you might be able to find what
You really don't see $25 at the link I gave?
I was referring to whatever you see under "System Tools" in the menu. There
should be a tools for whatever you're trying to achieve. Hopefully someone
more familiar with LXDE than I will come by and be able to give you more
specific advice.
I
I was also confused when I started using GUIX. ADEFNO provided a very helpful
answer: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/guix-usage#comment-119341
Perhaps they would be satisfied with you carrying a portable device with a
SIP and Jabber client for JMP. When I began to use JMP it was my plan to use
such a device in place of a cell phone. It has become a lower priority as
I've come to realize that I never really needed a cell phone that
> the forum as a place for free and open discussions gets ruined by this
shitty feature
I'd hardly say "ruined." No one's speech is censored by down-votes.
Everyone's posts can still be read with one click or zero depending on
whether or not JavaScript is enabled. All that down-voting does
Magic Banana is one of the most consistently helpful and valuable resources
on this forum. You show up occasionally to take everything personally (to the
point that you still haven't gotten over an argument from almost two months
ago), become hostile, and derail the conversation. Even when
Gnewb stands for "Gnewb's Not Even Worth the Bother."
olatriruk is just the kernel.
"Add/Remove Applications" is gnome-app-install, which depends on
app-install-data, which includes a bunch of files in
/usr/share/app-install/desktop named "[package]:[name].desktop". For example,
there is "3dchess:3dchess.desktop" which contains[Desktop Entry]
X-AppInstall-Package=3dchess
You might want to start a new thread about the specific issue you ran into.
The people who will give you technical advice are more likely to click on a
thread asking for such advice than a 3-week old thread with an unrelated
subject line.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxicity "an extremely harsh,
malicious, or harmful quality"
You describe your own language as harsh. It also is harmful and malicious.
It is harmful to make use insipid or irrelevant comments as a distraction.
You make many statements that are
Will Uruk use the Trisquel repository or will it have its own?
When using Belenos I always had frequent crackling when using headphones. I
don't recall noticing it while I was briefly using Arch, but it's definitely
there after switching to Flidas. Searching online, I can find a lot of
threads about crackling when using pulseaudio, but not a lot of
Yay! Do you think Tor Browser will use this as its new base?
Do the versions of QupZilla in Trisquel and Parabola have these non-free
components?
So... I wrote that in evening-of-archer-and-scotch-mode, not
problem-solving-mode. I realized today that I've always kept one set of
headphones with my x60 and another with the x230 and only used Trisquel on my
x60 and Arch my x230. I just tried the other headphones with Trisquel and the
Meaning that it includes all packages from Flidas plus a second repository
containing its own packages?
SuperTramp tried to purge me, Morty!
https://media.giphy.com/media/iBNpknFpmhspa/giphy.gif
Everyone here is correct that no one has the right to force you to do
anything. That said, I know that it is hard not to let that happen in certain
relationships. While I've started using JMP recently, I still have a cell
phone that I leave at home but use to communicate with my family. I
Yes, gtk-youtube-viewer can load comments.
Yes, that works great for downloading. As far as I know it can't stream or do
most of the other features you suggest in your initial post. My usage of it
is limited, though, so I could easily be wrong.
Guix does have a package called youtube-dl-gui. I haven't tried it but it
might be worth
That made me feel good. Thank you.
> Why do you think that I am mocking the people?
Don't act obtuse, and lose the feigned interest and concern. You are mocking
the only path to freedom for the majority of desktop users. You are
attempting to undermine morale in a community. You are doing it for fun. You
know it.
When I'm
Thanks, ADEFNO.
I actually manged to get it to work by using$ sudo dd if=/path/to/image.iso
of=/dev/sdX bs=8M;sync instead of Startup Disc Creator. I meant to update
this thread but forgot.
You could download Trisquel 8 alpha and help test it,
http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/
reporting any bugs you encounter here:
https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues
I've been using it as my main OS for about a week and it's pretty great so
far. I had a little trouble installing it
Sorry, once you start paying attention to a thread it's tempting to ask Guix
questions there. I'll repost to help-guix where it belongs. Thanks.
Guix seems to be building everything from source, which can take a while. As
per these instructions I tried# cd [prefix]/share/guix/hydra.gnu.org.pub
# guix archive --authorize < hydra.gnu.org.puband got
guile: warning: failed to install locale
warning: failed to install locale: Invalid
> As a result, you feel as if the whole community is just shouting "shut up!"
right into your face, while actually three votes are not representative at
all.
Exactly. It's because the voting system is stupid that it isn't worth taking
personally. I find this community to be a generally
I believe that you are being sincere in your posts on this forum and
genuinely care about software freedom. It also seems like English is not your
first language, in which case miscommunications are very understandable.
However, I agree with onpon4 that many of your posts make assumptions
I attempted to liberate the CHIP (which is only $9) a while back. I got stuck
due to my lack of knowledge of compiling a kernel, but maybe you can get
further with that than I did. You’ll need
- the CHIP
https://nextthing.co/pages/chip
- a USB WiFi adapter
> Actually we have official variants beyond Gnome with LXDE, Openbox,and
Sugar.
Whoops, you're totally right and I totally knew that. I wasn't thinking.
What you're describing would be great for people who already know what they
want. People who are migrating from a Micro$oft or crApple OS
Trisquel is almost entirely usable without a terminal or other tool with
which beginners would be uncomfortable, which is why it is the ideal distro
for ordinary desktop users. However, I've noticed in Belenos that some useful
programs do not appear in "Add/Remove Applications" such as
Thanks for this post. Your solution resolved the issue I was having.
What's wrong with SMTube? (That's not a rhetorical question. I actually don't
understand the issue well enough to know if there is something wrong with
SMTube.)
Try smplayer.
Okay, I think I screwed up and accidentally recommended proprietary software.
I should have looked at it more closely before suggesting it. I'll see
tomorrow if I can find a libre replacement but for now ignore everything I've
said.
How did you burn the ISO? I had the same issue (Uruk 2.0 Beta worked on my
Thinkpad x60 but Flidas wouldn't) when I used Startup Disc Creator, but it
worked after using $ sudo dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M;sync
where sdX is the USB drive.
SMTube is in Debian main (as of Jessie), but Parabola finds it non-free and
it seems like Trisquel does too. I trust their judgment over Debian's so I
have stopped using it.
I just tried gtk-youtube-viewer in Flidas and it does almost everything you
describe in your initial post. The only
I agree that beginners shouldn't be overwhelmed with options. The distinction
between the DE and the OS needs to be presented in the simplest terms
possible, or they will judge the distro (and GNU/Linux in general) by the
first screenshot they see. When I show Belenos to someone used to/by
Yes, there are really two separate issues here. I feel like including
something like Icecat is pretty clearly a good idea, but including DEs is
less obvious. However, I do think that it is important for beginners to be
able to easily try out different DEs.
It doesn't surprise me that
I hope that this thread hasn't left you feeling rejected by this community. I
would not have the courage to attempt to communicate publicly in a language
other than English, and it is unfortunate that none of the forums here are in
your native language. That said, there have been some great
> Could you suggest to me a system I could use to track and understand my own
thought processes?
You're in luck! With the new Amazon Mind(tm) service you can store all of
your thoughts and memories in the cloud, to be streamed back at your
convenience! Get ready for more relevant ads and a
I've seen several blank posts from you lately. Did you post this from the
mailing list? Maybe there's a problem with the mirroring between the mailing
list and the forum.
The NSA is just as capable of intercepting a shipment from Technoethical. If
you believe that you are a target of the NSA, you should be the laptop in
person or at minimum have it shipped to a location outside the States.
Technoethical and Minifree are both reliable vendors who respect your
Good to know. Thanks Leah. I look forward to buying from you when my X60
finally dies. X60's seem to be immortal though.
Libreboot is working on the X220, right? Is there an ETA for that?
I only had this problem with Trisquel. Uruk Beta 2 worked fine on my x60 with
Startup Disk Creator.
Yes, that's why I suspect it came from the mailing list.
I used Startup Disk Creator. DD seems to work better, but I wanted to see if
SDC worked as well, which it does.
With Trisquel 7, Trisquel 8, and Uruk, my ThinkPad X60 has had trouble making
it through the installation without freezing when I use the graphical
installer. It may have
Installation took multiple tries (as has Trisquel's graphical installer on my
machine. A text installer like Trisquel has would be great.) but worked in
the end. The screen reader was enabled by default as in Flidas, but was
easily removed from startup applications. During #
But the CIA has confirmed that Uruk's repository contains Weapons of Mass
Destruction(tm)! MSNBC told me!
Intel is certainly bad and buying from them is not ideal. It's unfortunate
that there are so few options for libre hardware that as of now it is
difficult to avoid using their hardware. I hope that this changes. I'm
optimistic about EOMA68.
linux-lowlatency can't be installed in Flidas because it depends on
linux-image-lowlatency which depends on linux-firmware and linux-firmware
isn't in the repository. If I understand correctly, linux-firmware is not
included because some of its code is proprietary. Is there a way of
> I installed the full version and then changed to LXDE from Gnome
LXDE doesn't work in Trisquel 8 yet. It still has some missing/broken
dependencies. Did you have any other DEs or WMs installed alongside LXDE?
That worked. Thanks!
In general I have been reporting missing or broken packages as bugs. I asked
about this in the forum because the package linux-firmware might be non-free,
in which case its exclusion is not a bug. If it is non-free there is likely a
libre replacement, and if so I'd like to know what it is so
Nice. I just started with the default, shrunk and added to the panel, and
installed Synapse.
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