Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
I just want to point out that this didn't come out of thin air: https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 RMS has been saying things like this for years, and only now he's being held accountable. It's about time. He's had so many chances to change already over the course of decades, and he didn't. I see this as a good thing for the libre software community as I said here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/goodbye-rms#comment-143348
Re: [Trisquel-users] pip (python-pip) doesn't work in Trisquel
I wouldn't recommend depending on executing setup.py scripts the way you show. Not all setup.py scripts have the needed shebang and even with those that do, taking advantage of it means you don't know which version of Python it's being installed for. Instead, I'd recommend: python setup.py build sudo python setup.py install or: python3 setup.py build sudo python3 setup.py install On a side note, you can also install locally in your user directory: python setup.py install --user python3 setup.py install --user
Re: [Trisquel-users] Best way to watch Youtube videos?
Why do you suppose that?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Best way to watch Youtube videos?
I just watched something on Invidious and have no cookies from googlevideo.com. I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think that a server that's merely sending a resource (a video in this case) can use cookies or see your user agent. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I think the only thing Google can see is your IP address in this case.
Re: [Trisquel-users] how to call from JMP with Trisquel 8
I had trouble trying to set up Linphone for JMP (it wasn't accepting the tilde in the SIP username), so I gave up and used Ekiga instead. Works like a charm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Persistence By Default Suggestion for Trisquel 9
Is installation on the hard drives of these computers not possible? Just wondering because if it is, I would imagine the installed systems would be separate and what bootloader each uses (or what software of any kind for that matter) shouldn't come into play.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Persistence By Default Suggestion for Trisquel 9
What's the reason for your need to switch between BIOS and UEFI, out of curiosity?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Persistence By Default Suggestion for Trisquel 9
Use the Startup Disk Creator in Trisquel, or use UNetbootin. What's your reason for using a live system instead of installing?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Printing in color adds blue ink to everything
Yes, I did try that. I just tried creating a printer profile with a different driver (I was using hplip, which seems to make sense and it's what I've always used), but that didn't change anything.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
> Ah, okay. so it happens with bsd, unix and the rest? Of course. All operating systems have bugs at some point. You've seen or at least heard about the Blue Screen of Death, right? And I seem to recall RMS suggesting that the GNU Hurd had problems crashing; I never looked into that, but I have no trouble at all believing it. And not just operating systems. Every single program I've worked on has crashed at some point, and most have also had massive bugs that broke their functionality. Programmers are human. And when you have to compile together hundreds if not thousands of programs you had no part whatsoever in developing, or that might interface in ways you never considered, it's no wonder that sometimes the software fails and crashes every once in a while. But it's worth reiterating that this particular problem seems to have been a hardware problem, not a software problem. > Out of curiosity what is your favorite desktop environment? GNOME.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Operating systems in general. It's not exclusive to GNU and Linux systems.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Leaving Trisquel over systemd Concerns, Fantastic Project Otherwise, Thanks
Operating systems are a lot more complex than "has systemd" and "doesn't have systemd". They were freezing, crashing, and just plain not working long before systemd came along, and the reasons are numerous and varied. I think there may be better ways to solve most problems than to throw away arbitrary components and hope that resolves them. I've never experienced the problem you describe, but I wonder if it might be at a higher level given that you can still move the mouse. What desktop environment are you using? MATE, LXDE, or something else? It might be worthwhile to try a different desktop environment and see if that works better.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel GNU/Linux ----> Trisquel GNU/Linux-Libre
The GNU/Linux naming controversy has nothing to do with "talking about freedom". It's about giving credit to the GNU Project. The FSF maintains that Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Debian, Gentoo, etc are all properly "GNU/Linux" systems and should be referred to as such. I personally actually think that the controversy is silly at this point, though I did side with the FSF at first. The reason I think it's silly is because despite what the FSF and RMS suggest, people don't inform their perceptions of things on their names in any real capacity. When people in the mainstream think "Linux", they think "that operating system that geeks and websites use" (or something to that effect; exactly what they'd describe it would depend on their technical knowledge). The only sense in which a name matters is when a name causes confusion. Case in point: "open source". There is a real misunderstanding in the mainstream that "open source" is about source code availability, when it's much more than that. That's why I do encourage a clearer term for that: "libre software". (But not "free software"; that term has its own problem that causes real misunderstandings.) But when it comes to the reputation of a thing, or what people think about it, the name is almost entirely insignificant in the long run. Just to prove my point, consider the term "asbestos". Hearing that word makes you think of cancer, an evil industry, etc, right? Well, "asbestos" was an industry propaganda term, coming from an ancient Greek word that means "inextinguishable", propping up the benefits of the material. But when the general public finally understood just how harmful this stuff is, "asbestos" became a really nasty word, so much so that modern pro-asbestos propaganda often prefers to use the term "chrysotile" (a name for white asbestos, the most common kind). So when it comes to the operating system typically called "Linux", I don't think it's accurate to say that people see that name and assume the whole thing was done by Linus Torvalds. Most people probably don't even know the name "Linus Torvalds", and for those who do, they associate him with Linux more because he allows himself to be associated with it, than because his name is similar to its name. I think if the FSF were to proudly exclaim that it played a key role in the development of "Linux" (rather than insisting on "GNU/Linux" and explaining a bunch of technicalities), the FSF would have a whole lot more influence on things than it currently does. Of course the concern about confusion arises too, but in practice, I've never seen anyone who was confused by the use of the term "Linux". Most people understand Linux and Android to be different things, and when talking about the kernel, the term "Linux kernel" is almost universal (the kernel is even hosted on the "kernel.org" domain, rather than "linux.org" or something similar). Overall, I don't care what term you use, but I think bickering over what to call systems in this particular category, which most people call "Linux", is unnecessary. Personally, I typically say "Linux". If the topic of the FSF were to come up, I might point out that the FSF "really started Linux" or "made a large part of Linux". I don't see much point in mixing in confusing explanations of why "Linux" is really not the most perfect term.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to completely replace MATE with GNOME?
If GNOME is there, choose it. Otherwise, just don't install anything. On first boot, you'll get the command-line. Just log in, "sudo apt-get install gnome", and then "sudo shutdown -r now".
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to completely replace MATE with GNOME?
? I don't know what you're talking about. Trisquel isn't Ubuntu, and it isn't Debian. It's Trisquel. The package for installing GNOME, all of it, is "gnome". I don't understand why you think it's more complicated than that. In fact the only hard part is removing MATE, since you need to know what to remove. And that's why I suggested instead just starting from scratch with a net-install if removing MATE is important to you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to completely replace MATE with GNOME?
The package is "gnome", not "gnome-desktop".
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to completely replace MATE with GNOME?
I would suggest just starting from scratch with a net-install. And I would disagree with the suggestion to use that PPA. Better to stick with the versions in the repo.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I didn't declare that I was going to do anything. I only said that stalling in this way is not really helping and a proper solution is needed. > Some of us are fighting, and you are just > staying in your cloud and despising everything that happens > below. I don't "despise" anyone. But this manner of "fighting" is not effective. It's defensive, has too little popular support, and is doomed to cave at some point or another. Everything we do has a cost: opportunity cost. Time you spend calling representatives and begging them to oppose a bill, signing petitions, and explaining this basic stuff to the public again and again is time you are not spending doing something else, possibly something much more productive. I'm not spending 100% of my time productively. I'm only human. But if I want to do something productive, I work on libre software development, or some other thing that I know is doing some long-term good. Or, I brainstorm and try to come up with better things to do.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I didn't say "begging", but yes, that's really all that's going on. Using stronger words to describe what you're doing doesn't change that. This is a desparate, pleading tone. A stronger tone would be to threaten to vote them out of office. But even a stronger tone isn't going to make it any better over the long-term, because at the end of the day it's still just a delay, because the general population still doesn't care and another opportunity to do the exact same thing will present itself. We need a real solution, not a fake one.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I don't think it's just the lobbyists. There's a deeper problem: the general population doesn't care, and representatives and corporations know this. So how do we get the general population (not just a sizable, scattered minority) to care about these issues permanently (rather than for the month it takes to stop one particular law or agreement)? I'm not entirely sure. But it's going to require a lot of hard work, and spending so much time stalling takes away from that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
Well, what does stopping this one bill with desperate pleas really accomplish? There's a core problem here, and begging your representative to vote against this isn't solving that. It's like with net neutrality. There were efforts going on for years to take net neutrality away, and all anyone was willing to do is this kind of half-assed action, stalling it. Now we've lost net neutrality, and we're already seeing the effects of that. If we want a real solution - a victory - we need to clearly identify the source of the problem, and come up with a concrete plan to address it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] September 12: Catastrophe looms over the European Parliament
I'm reminded of this article: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/ And honestly, I'm beyond sick of this kind of stuff too. So much that I kind of hope that this bill passes just so a disaster can unfold and force real change to occur.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSDG and pip
Most that I'm aware of already are, though there's sometimes a problem of them not being available for Python 3 (in particular Pygame and Pyglet; note, both of these libraries work with Python 3, so this is a packaging problem in both cases). I tend to think of my own libraries (sge, xsge_*, tmx) as important, and those aren't included, but I'm probably the only developer on the planet who uses those. ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSDG and pip
I tend to think that PyPI is less important than you might think. Yes, it's
convenient. But it's a language-specific installer, easy to install yourself
if you really want it, and even if you don't have it, it's perfectly easy to
just download the files from PyPI, extract, and do "python{2|3} setup.py
build && sudo python{2|3} setup.py install" (note: the target audience of pip
is developers, not end-users). Not to mention, important libraries should
just be included in the regular repo.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trying To Install Open Broadcaster Software Studio OBS Studio on Trisquel 8
I unfortunately haven't succeeded at compiling it, but the source code is here: https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trying To Install Open Broadcaster Software Studio OBS Studio on Trisquel 8
I don't think that clause renders libfdk-aac proprietary. Note that it says "copyright license fees", not "fees of any kind". You're not allowed to charge "copyright license fees" with the GNU GPL either, because anyone you give a copy to is required to get full permission to use/modify/redistribute under the GNU GPL (without additional cost). The reason libfdk-aac is in "non-free", from my understanding, is that the license is GPL-incompatible and combined with FFmpeg, a GPL-licensed program. So the combination is not libre, i.e. the same sort of issue as ZFS: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Encode/AAC
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trying To Install Open Broadcaster Software Studio OBS Studio on Trisquel 8
OBS will work without it, but you need to recompile it without AAC support.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trying To Install Open Broadcaster Software Studio OBS Studio on Trisquel 8
No, OBS is not available in the Trisquel repository. It wasn't in the Ubuntu 16.04 repo either. You need to download the source code and compile it (without AAC support).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Right, if I understand correctly, the OS isn't even sent signals for them; it would just send signals for things like mouse button presses and keystrokes based on a macro.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Like those "programmable buttons" advertised on a bunch of them? I'm not familiar with them, but it seems like those are designed for macros. If I'm understanding, the OS has no idea that they even exist. If it's something else, I haven't a clue. It would depend on what they are exactly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
I meant to reply to this. Trisquel doesn't support snaps. The facility was removed because making it only libre software snaps was too much work (if I understood the reason correctly). This should serve as a reminder that just because something works in Ubuntu doesn't necessarily mean it works on Trisquel the same way.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Redshift on Trisquel 8
I tried to make the day shade about the same as dim sunlight (i.e. shade), and I tried to make the night shade similar to a campfire or fireplace (ballparking low). The Wikipedia page on color temperature shows a simple chart with a bunch of color temperatures and about what they correspond to.
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
> Removing systemd completely including library files is near impossible in debian. I don't know about that. But if so, it would only be because systemd is just so useful. > PS, what are the specfics of this? Take a look at the link MB gave: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
Wow, so some systemd haters are actually engaged in active quote-mining? I didn't expect it to be that bad.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Redshift on Trisquel 8
That's not necessary. One of the options in the gtk-redshift tray menu is "Autostart". Just check that and it starts up automatically. The only extra step necessary is tweaking the config file (~/.config/redshift.conf).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Redshift on Trisquel 8
There are two settings, one for day and one for night. What did you set them to? I use 5000 and 1500, respectively.
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
> what advantages does systemd have Lots. *Everything* about systemd is better than SysV-init, which is why no one ever planned on keeping the latter. The battle was between systemd and Upstart, and systemd won out because the Debian developer community decided that systemd was the better choice and as such, Ubuntu decided to switch to it too and abandon Upstart development. Of course systemd isn't used universally; for example GuixSD uses GNU Shepherd and Gentoo uses OpenRC. But systemd is very popular for Linux-based systems because it's very good at what it does. > I have seen more cons Such as? > it is a neverending project I should hope so! If it wasn't, that would make it unmaintained. Linux is a neverending project, that's the only reason it's safe to use.
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
> I never, have said you cannot make fun of anti-systemd inits, just don't do it in anger. No. Not inits. You. You do realize that the systemd developers are people, right? > I just don't get why at the drop of a coin I make a joke about it, and you guys go to town on me. If I may be frank, you didn't make a joke. All you did was link to a thread which had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, and made a statement about it. Is this a good joke in that same context? "They took that issue about as seriously as these vegans took my rebuttals!" Or is this a form of targeted harassment toward the vegans I've linked to? > I do the same thing with my president, donald trump, I make jokes about him for amusement purposes. Don't quit your day job.
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
> why has devuan succeeded in getting community support when fedora's and ubuntu's systemd-free forks failed? I can't say I know what you're talking about. It's been a long time since I looked, but when I did, Devuan was lagging severely behind Debian. Meanwhile, Debian continues forward exactly as before, and Fedora has been using systemd for years with no apparent drop in "community support".
Re: [Trisquel-users] VS Code is free software?
Using a thread that has nothing to do with systemd to publicly shame a systemd developer doesn't strike me as a very nice thing to do. How would you like it if on some forum about, I don't know, turkey sausages, some random guy was linking to your posts on the Trisquel forums and making fun of you for them? Incidentally, that person would likely get a warning and have his post deleted; most forums have a policy against bringing in drama from other websites/forums.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on non-x86 systems
The SoC used by the C201 is actually a very good one, in fact it's one of the SoCs lkcl is looking at for the next EOMA68 computer card. Libreboot is not needed for Chromebooks, by the way. They come with Das U-boot installed. The only concern is how well the SoC works with Linux-libre (some SoCs need special kernel versions to work and many require proprietary firmware for various components, especially the GPU and wireless).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Redshift on Trisquel 8
You need to open the config file and change it, or create one. See: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/redshift-trisquel-8#comment-131152
Re: [Trisquel-users] Redshift on Trisquel 8
It's just listed as "Redshift" in Add/Remove. "redshift-gtk" is the package name, though, so that's what it's listed as in Synaptic and what you would put as the package to install with e.g. apt-get.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to uninstall default windows manager (Trisquel-mini)
No, not in addition, instead. MATE is found only in the regular version of Trisquel, not in Trisquel-Mini. > The question came to me about why the default desktop will not be deleted. Are you talking about the Trisquel-Mini entry in the display manager (login screen)? If you're still seeing that, it would be because you haven't removed the package that provides it. What do you get with this command? aptitude search "~i trisquel" > Given that Trisquel is a completely free operating system, so I must have the right to remove softwares that I don't need them. Please don't insinuate that Trisquel is forcing you to keep packages installed. It doesn't have the power to do that, nor does it try to. If you still see something you have no use for, that's just because you haven't removed the package that provides it. If you're so concerned about having an environment with no trace of LXDE or Trisquel-Mini, you went about your installation the wrong way. Rather than installing these things and then hunting down what packages to remove, you should have done a net-install and not installed trisquel-mini to begin with. But nothing is stopping you from hunting down the package that is providing whatever it is that you don't need. Or just deleting the files, even.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to uninstall default windows manager (Trisquel-mini)
MATE is not the DE of Trisquel-Mini. Are you trying to remove the window manager of Trisquel Mini? That would be OpenBox. Anyway, if you don't see it, there's usually no reason to remove something even if you don't need it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] free software to remove DRM from Adobe ACSM format
Any program designed to break DRM is illegal, so as a general rule, breaking DRM is not easy. The one exception I can think of is CSS (used for encrypting DVDs), but that's just because the encryption is so weak that it can be brute-forced very easily (so despite the illegality of it, all kinds of programs designed to break CSS exist; libdvdcss is just the most commonly used).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
OK, so I did a quick test, and it seems it works with buttons, but for some reason not axes (analog sticks). That's odd. In fact no mouse buttons seem to work for axes. Judging by what the dialog box says, this seems to be a design flaw or oversight rather than a bug, per se. Actually, I think I remember this problem, come to think of it. Perhaps one solution could be to assign the axis control you want to put on a mouse button to a keyboard control that does the same thing (e.g. arrow keys for scrolling). Of course, since it's libre software, the other solution would be to edit the source code to patch this shortcoming.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Yes, you can. Assign a "key", and when it tells you to press the key, hover the mouse over the box and roll the mouse wheel in the desired direction.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Good to hear. Did you just not see it in the system tray when you ran it at first?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Yes, and also pay attention to manufacturing quality. Some controllers have terrible buttons and bad d-pads are sadly extremely common. I'd steer clear of Logitech, unless they've changed recently. I've owned two controllers from them, and both of them eventually just stopped working after a couple years. And Logitech's customer service is terrible. If it weren't for that, I'd recommend the Logitech F310, because it was fantastic before it just stopped working all of a sudden one day. Maybe worthwhile if you treat your controllers like garbage, but otherwise I'd look at something else. Other than that, definitely pay attention to reviews.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Use QJoypad to make any gamepad mimic the keyboard and mouse. It's the best GNU/Linux program I know of for this task. You can set it up however you need, and you can have multiple profiles for e.g. different games and different controllers.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
The Linux joystick driver makes all controllers look the same to software (e.g. games); they're gaming controllers (sometimes called "joysticks"). No extra software is needed; the Linux joystick driver is a part of Linux. One program you might be interested in installing, though, is "jstest-gtk"; this program gives you a graphical interface for testing your gamepads, and I think for calibrating them too. Some gaming controllers advertise special features that require some sort of proprietary Windows junk, e.g. they might advertise support for binding to keys when they really just mean that they offer a proprietary program that does so on Windows (it's the same sort of program QJoypad is). But in nearly all cases, such features are optional and you can use the controllers as standard gamepads, including on Linux systems.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
These types of adapters are typically just recognized as USB-HID joysticks. No special software needed, you just use them. I have such a SNES controller adapter myself.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox Add-ons for Abrowser
Yeah, they're compatible, no problem. In fact Trisquel's addon database often just links directly to download links from the Mozilla addons database. Just check to make sure it's libre and you're good.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Gaming console type controller to use on desktop?
Lots of game controllers will work. In fact most controllers that work on Windows work with the Linux joystick driver. This is the one thing to look out for: controllers that use the DirectInput protocol (an old proprietary protocol for DirectX) only work on Windows. These controllers are uncommon today; usually controllers are either USB-HID, or XInput (the Xbox protocol) which there is support for in the Linux joystick driver. If you're asking whether you can use a controller as a mouse, I don't know if this is the best way, but there's a program called "QJoypad" (package "qjoypad" in Trisquel) which can map gamepad controls to the keyboard and mouse. You can make the analog stick to move the mouse by setting axis 1 and axis 2 to "Mouse (Hor.)" and "Mouse (Vert.)" respectively, then ticking "gradient" and turning the mouse speed down to 10 or so.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software
Yeah, I know. I'm sure it can help to work together with the Debian and Fedora communities, though. They've been really helpful when it comes to this sort of thing in the past (especially Fedora). The point is, if we only have a downstream solution, we'll be constantly patching the upstream code, and that should be avoided if possible.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software
I haven't stopped using computers, but I've progressively been removing my dependency on them. Not for freedom's sake, mind, but just because paper is much more durable than magnetic hard drives. Who knows? I might even go so far as to print my passwords and GnuPG keys on paper and then shove that in a lockbox.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software
I used Ubuntu 16.04 before switching back to Trisquel 7 recently, and it was a nightmare specifically because of the problem with Snap packages. I simply could not search for libre software in GNOME Software; every time I did a search, I would get all these Snap packages, completely unmarked, and scarcely any results from the actual software repository. So even though I'd disabled the "Multiverse" and "Restricted" repositories, it was completely useless; it was like Linux Mint all over again, with a jumbled mess of libre software I might want to install and proprietary software that I definitely don't. I ended up abandoning Software entirely and using the command-line tools exclusively. Modifying Software to fix this problem would be a very nice thing indeed. Until then, it's probably easiest to just stick to other tools. Do contribute to a solution, though, preferably as far upstream as possible.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Right click secure delete in Trisquel 8
If you're talking about "shredding" files, that's the nautilus-wipe package.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Input methods
> The input method for Japanese, "Mozc", fails. nihongo: konnichiha. 私は「Anthy」というIMEを使います。 Did you try Anthy?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are Unity shell and UbuntuWeb still broken?
Unity is no longer being developed. Ubuntu switched to GNOME as of version 17.10. I see no reason for Trisquel's developers to waste their time on a dead project like Unity. You can use extensions to add everything Unity has to GNOME Shell.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Whats your favourite video editor?
I prefer Pitivi. OpenShot is pretty nice too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Generic console?
Handheld, you say? https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Generic console?
Or software: http://onpon4.github.io/articles/gaming-trap.html I maintain a list here, by the way: http://onpon4.github.io/articles/libre-games.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] Generic console?
What does that have to do with consoles? That seems like a regular computer game.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Generic console?
Really? I've never seen even a decent libre homebrew game, and I've only ever seen one in total.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why is Ubuntu Web Browser in the repository?
I didn't say "equally bad". I said "not much better".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why is Ubuntu Web Browser in the repository?
No, if you run Windows in a virtual machine, it's entirely sandboxed from the main system. Also, it's a mistake to just assume that any sandboxed program can't do anything malicious; JavaScript can, and often does, assist in identifying you, or interfere with browser functions, or implement digital handcuffs. That's not the point, though. It's proprietary software, and Trisquel is supposed to be a system without proprietary software. It's also proprietary software that we know without a doubt people are indeed running, because we know that: 1. most people aren't aware of the JavaScript trap, and 2. nearly all websites have proprietary JavaScript on them, including all the very popular ones. And finally, it's proprietary software we could easily protect users against: just give them browsers with JavaScript disabled by default and any attempt to enable JavaScript either in the advanced settings or behind a warning message. Of course that's going to cause some people to simply abandon Trisquel and use Mint or Ubuntu or something, but they're also going to do that because their wireless card doesn't work, or because Netflix doesn't work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why is Ubuntu Web Browser in the repository?
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think if you're using a Web browser as a proprietary JavaScript interpreter (as most people do), it's really not much better than a proprietary Web browser. After all, how much better is a libre virtual machine running Windows than a proprietary virtual machine running Windows? And furthermore, I think that sweeping issues like this under the rug out of fear of driving users away is counterproductive given the mission of a distro like this. The whole point of Trisquel is that no proprietary software is run unless you go out of your way to install that proprietary software yourself. But if Trisquel runs proprietary software any time you navigate to a Web page you heard about on TV, that objective has not been accomplished. By the way, LibreJS is a non-solution because there's also the issue that there's no mechanism to modify the JavaScript code before executing it, or choose when to execute it; and LibreJS has to trust scripts to actually tell the truth about whether or not source code is available.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why is Ubuntu Web Browser in the repository?
If that's a problem, and I tend to agree that it is, then not sending people to Google is not the solution. After all, almost the entirety of the Web has proprietary JavaScript on it, even if it's optional, and every modern Web browser executes that JavaScript code automatically. Let's take a common sense look at this: do you really think that people are going on the Web to look at Web pages with no proprietary JavaScript on them? No Google, no message boards, no YouTube, no news? No. That's an absurd expectation. People are going to websites they already know about that send them nonfree JavaScript code regardless of what websites the browser points them to. If anything, some users are probably deleting all bookmarks set up by default, changing the homepage to their preferred search engine, and adding bookmarks to the sites they know they frequent. If we actually want to solve this problem, there's only one good solution: turn off JavaScript support in all supplied browsers (and other programs that read Web pages downloaded across the Internet). Give the user a browser that doesn't interpret JavaScript (by default; the option can be hidden in about:config or in the options menu with a warning), and explain to them that if a website doesn't work, it's because it doesn't support a libre Web browser. I would actually be very much in favor of this, because GNU FSDG is supposed to present an ideal operating system, and that isn't actually the case. Any new Trisquel user is running proprietary software every day in Abrowser, and I'd bet some of them don't even know it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Play swf games in Trisquel 8
I'd just like to mention that SWF files contain software. If the SWF file is proprietary (almost always the case), then any execution of it involves running proprietary software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SuperTuxKart complaining about OpenGL
Yeah, you've got it. Of course OpenGL can be implemented in software too (and it is as a backup in Trisquel; this is done through MESA), it's just slower that way. Testing is the only way to find out whether any given game will run properly on your machine. Glad to hear the new version is playable! :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] SuperTuxKart complaining about OpenGL
Yeah, newer STK versions are better. Much better graphics in particular, but also several gameplay improvements. Just to clarify, you do have OpenGL support. The issue with STK is whether or not your GPU supports (at the hardware level) a recent enough version of OpenGL for the game's requirements. In fact OpenGL is the one standard for hardware-level graphics that works with libre software (the other standard is Direct3D, which only works on Windows), so all games that work outside of Windows and require hardware acceleration use OpenGL. This includes pretty much any 3-D game in particular. Some 2-D games use OpenGL as well, like SuperTux.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What's the most modern hardware I can use for Trisquel? Need free software graphics.
Recent Intel integrated GPUs have started requiring proprietary blobs for some (important?) features. I don't know the full details. Regarding Hexoshi, yes. Progress is slow, but that's to be expected at this point (lack of time and all that).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What's the most modern hardware I can use for Trisquel? Need free software graphics.
The problem componetns are WiFi and the GPU. For the GPU, make sure it's an Intel CPU. All Intel CPUs have Intel integrated graphics controllers, and these are the only ones that work without proprietary blobs in Linux. For wireless, you have to get something old, because that's completely screwed at the moment. Think Penguin and Technoethical sell the only wireless hardware that works with Linux-libre. Chances are high you'll have to use a wireless dongle, or just live with Ethernet. If you want the easiest route for a pretty modern desktop computer, go to Think Penguin. All their hardware is chosen to work with Linux-libre: http://libre.thinkpenguin.com
Re: [Trisquel-users] Midory outdated
No, Cinnamon is not supposed to be "light". It's based on GNOME 3.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Midory outdated
6 years old is not that old. My old laptop was a budget laptop from 2007 and it worked with MATE, Cinnamon, GNOME, etc just fine. Pretty much any x86 computer from 2012 should easily be able to handle any modern desktop environment, even KDE. In fact the newest hardware that can work with a 100% libre software stack (that is to say, the Libreboot-supported computers) are older than that. Loading speed is influenced almost entirely by how fast your hard drive is. How many seconds are you talking about with regard to loading speed? If it's more than a few seconds or so I would seriously consider replacing that hard drive since such slow operation could be an early sign that it's developing too many bad sectors. Using a lightweight DE that loads less stuff is only a band-aid solution and isn't going to protect you from the inevitable data loss. On the other hand, if it's only a few seconds that's bothering you, that's because you're using a hard drive, not because of the age of your computer. You can get faster read/write speeds with an SSD. Also, Xfce is available on Trisquel; just install the "xfce4" meta-package.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Redshift on Trisquel 8
You need to either create ~/.config/redshift.conf, or if you already have it, edit it to use the geoclue location provider. I found this page which suggests a template for that file, if you don't have one already: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Redshift
Re: [Trisquel-users] Screen garbage
That doesn't look to me like anything the GPU would do. It looks like you've changed your settings quite a bit. Is it possible you might have accidentally changed the language? What you have actually looks to me like there are some characters missing from the font you're currently using, like maybe it's a font with little or no Unicode support and you switched to a language with accented characters.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 codename "Flidas" Release Candidate is ready for testing
Hm? But this is what you said: "With the exception of Secure Boot, which requires Microsoft to sign stuff for the project so it can be trusted." Since when does Secure Boot require Microsoft's approval? That sounds like a version of Restricted Boot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Newbie trying to load Trisquel on Acer Computer.
190 is a very small number (there's a larger petition indicating "dissent from Darwinism", and then an even larger petition against that petition composed only of biologists named "Steve"[1]), and the opinions of scientists are irrelevant anyway. What matters is what their research shows. I note that the petition you linked to has "scientists" of all kinds including, for example: "Vânia Araújo Condessa, MSc., Electrical Engineer, Belo Horizonte, Brazil", "Prof. Klaus-Peter Ossenkopp, Ph.D., Department of Psychology (Neuroscience), University of Western Ontario, Canada", and "Prof. Girish Kumar, Ph.D., Electrical Engineering Department, Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, India", among many others. I don't see why I should trust what an electrical engineer or psychologist to understand electromagnetic radiation. It's also regrettable that the petition claims: Numerous recent scientific publications have shown that EMF affects living organisms at levels well below most international and national guidelines," and yet fails to reference a single one of these "numerous recent scientific publications". Perhaps you are familiar with them? I would split it off into the Troll Lounge, but the topic of this discussion should be a scientific paper or a collection thereof and a discussion around what that research means. This is impossible at this moment because I'm still not aware of any such research. I certainly encourage you to start the new thread with a link to that paper, though, or otherwise I would be happy to start the thread once I know what study or studies we're talking about. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_steve
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 codename "Flidas" Release Candidate is ready for testing
Is there any possibility the bootloader might have loaded the wireless card's firmware (perhaps newly so because it's using UEFI)?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 codename "Flidas" Release Candidate is ready for testing
Don't you mean Restricted Boot?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Newbie trying to load Trisquel on Acer Computer.
I haven't seen scientific research which finds that humans produce electromagnetic radiation. I was under the impression that the only interaction the human body had with electromagnetic radiation was the eyes' detection of visible light, and the use of ultroviolet light to synthesize Vitamin D. Is there any chance you could send me a link to this research? It must be quite interesting. I would also be very interested in seeing the scientific research you mention which shows that non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation affects human health; I was under the impression that non-ionizing radiation, such as radio waves and microwaves, was only capable of heating molecules up (which wouldn't be a concern given the tiny amount of such non-ionizing radiation produced by wireless technology). I'm curious to see what harmful effects the researchers found. Of course, if non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation is harmful to human health, then we have a huge problem, because everyone is bombarded with radio waves from radio and television broadcasting 24/7.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Newbie trying to load Trisquel on Acer Computer.
It's firmware, not drivers. Unfortunately, most wireless cards these days don't work without proprietary firmware, and there isn't much reverse-engineering going on. There haven't been any advancements that I'm aware of between Trisquel 7's release and now.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Newbie trying to load Trisquel on Acer Computer.
Yes, wifi is a common piece of probem hardware. The recommended solution is to buy a wireless dongle from Think Penguin or Technoethical: http://libre.thinkpenguin.com https://tehnoetic.com/ Think Penguin also has wireless cards you can install inside of a computer, but this is more complicated because you have to get the card with the right connector and form-factor. The USB dongle is much easier and doesn't have much in the way of downsides.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Newbie trying to load Trisquel on Acer Computer.
I'm s glad I don't deal with mainstream laptop manufacturers' nonsense anymore...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Newbie trying to load Trisquel on Acer Computer.
From a DDG search, it looks like the key you need to press is F2, so just shut the system off, then power it on, and keep pressing F2 until you see the setup screen. Another thing you could do is bring up the boot menu with F12 it looks like, but it looks like you have to enable that in the settings first: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104140=8261378ddf5b92927852621ab2bc2fb7=12451596#post12451596 Actually, that same thread has another interesting post a couple posts down from the person who started the thread: "I finally managed to resolve the problem myself. I knew that it must be possible to get to the boot menu, because I've seen other posts on linux forums discussing issues with this particular model of Acer Aspire. In case anybody else wants to get to the boot menu, you need to hit F2 when booting the machine. This will initially take you into the very restricted Setup menu (which doesn't enable you to change boot order). Once in the Setup menu, hit Esc to exit. The system will try to start Windows, but if you quickly hit F2 again it takes you into a full Setup menu which enables you to set the boot order."
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> Ah, Okay then.. welp I am confused... you said it had proprietary binaries in it I thought. No, it doesn't. I'm not sure what part of my posts you got that impression from, but PlayOnLinux is libre. What it has is installation recipes for proprietary software, since that's the job it's designed to do. > Well either way, I still find it good to use playonlinux or winetricks rather then use straight forward windows or other proprietary oses. I agree. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> Since PlayOnLinux itself is already libre, the only way to make it "more" libre would be to remove support for proprietary games. onpon4's point is that since the only use for PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games, removing support for proprietary games would make it useless. Exactly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Spam definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> You see. My favorite game, the game I grew up with and I love is DotA 1. This game is a game inside the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne. This game is proprietary and it is made for a proprietary OS. And what's going to help you install that is PlayOnLinux. Not a "libre" version that strips out the information about it; the normal PlayOnLinux. See my reply to CalmStorm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
> What I mean by a libre playonlinux or winetricks-libre, is an effort to make it possible to play windows games without any blobs or anything proprietary at all. Don't you see the contradiction in this? You want to make it possible to play proprietary games "without... anything proprietary". That is literally speaking impossible. If X is a subset of Y, you can't have X with no Y. Note: I'm not aware of any libre games that use DirectX or the Windows API, but if such games exist, they can be recompiled using Winelib and packaged with the standard package manager, like the XM Solitaire example I mentioned above. There is no need for anything like PlayOnLinux for any libre game. What exactly do you think it means for there to be a libre version of PlayOnLinux? Are you under the impression that PlayOnLinux itself is proprietary? If so, you're wrong; PlayOnLinux is licensed under the GNU GPL. You can check here for yourself: https://github.com/PlayOnLinux/POL-POM-4 The only thing non-libre is its listing of proprietary software (along with parameters to run those programs correctly), but that information is the entire point of PlayOnLinux's existence. Why would you want PlayOnLinux without its most important feature?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
On a side note, I know this has been said a hundred times, but whoever used the downvote button on my posts, stop doing that. That button was added to mark spam and rule-breaking posts, not disagreement. I disagree with its existence, but as long as it's there, please do not abuse it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Please do not ignore context. I said there's no use for a *libre version* of PlayOnLinux, because the whole point of it is to play proprietary games. If PlayOnLinux doesn't have its installation recipes and configuration values for proprietary Windows-only games, it does nothing for you, because that's the whole point of using it. If you're only playing libre games, PlayOnLinux does nothing for you, because you can just use a repository.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
Probably because the software that removes HTML tags interprets it as one (since an HTML tag begins with a less-than sign).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
No, PlayOnLinux uses Wine. PlayOnLinux is literally just designed to give proper configuration values for particular proprietary programs people want to install. Wine is just a Windows API compatibility layer; it's useful for running proprietary programs that aren't available for GNU/Linux, but it could also be used to run a libre program that uses the Windows API or DirectX, for example. Such libre programs do exist, although they are uncommon. One example is a program called "XM Solitaire", which has actually been ported to the OpenPandora using Wine: http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail=xmsol-ptitseb
Re: [Trisquel-users] Does PlayOnLinux work with Trisquel 8?
There's no use for it. The whole point of PlayOnLinux is to play proprietary games that are only available for Windows.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 9 Needs A Name
I see I haven't been very diplomatic with my posts. To all involved parties, I apologize, and I'll try to do better next time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 9 Needs A Name
This is what you said: > I don't have a particular preference, but I think it should definitely be a *female* name. > > That would be a small but significant sign of not following the dominant patriarchy in technology (and in society in general). You offered no suggestion for a name to use. You just said that it "should" be female, which implies that it "should" not be male, i.e. that you are categorically opposed to all male name suggestions. This is a female supremacist attitude, and your justification for this is the vague "patriarchy", the typical female supremacist excuse. You being male has no bearing on whether or not what you are championing is female supremacy. > I just dropped down my own two cents, simply put. I have no intention to turn this thread into any discussion of any kind In other words, you're willing to spread propaganda to support your bigoted ideology where it doesn't belong, but you aren't willing to actually defend it in a discussion. A word of advice: if you aren't willing to follow up on something, such as by answering to the fact that Trisquel has exactly equal representation of the sexes as of Trisquel 8 and therefore doesn't fit into your "patriarchy" narrative, don't post it in the first place.
