Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II

2003-02-10 Thread ttxpress
(How) did JC keep the Law whileworkingduring the Sabbath? On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:27:31 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I can tell, there is no relationship between keeping the Law and breaking it.

Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II

2003-02-10 Thread Marlin Halverson
Where do you find Jesus doing carpentry on the Sabbath? What bible do you read? Followers of Judaism went to great lengths to accuse Him of working on the Sabbath. The best they could do is accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath by healing on that day. Jesusused the law of freeing an ox

RE: [TruthTalk] For the Record II

2003-02-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
What work was that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II (How) did JC keep the Law whileworkingduring

RE: [TruthTalk] For the Record II

2003-02-10 Thread michael douglas
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by “required”? If you mean “Will you go to hell if you don’t?”, the answer is not any more than if you violate any other Commandment. Do you mean, “Does God want you to do this?”—the answer is yes, if the 4th Commandment still means

RE: [TruthTalk] For the record II

2003-02-10 Thread michael douglas
Michael D: Izzy, I agree with all of those scriptures (of course). But scripture must be lined up with scripture... Won't you agree? I will assume that you do. Which will mean we have to understand all of those in the light of all that the NT says about the law. Would you agree with that? When God

[TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread GJTabor
1. I am not a prophet, the son of a prophet, nor do I come from Tekoa. Almost all people I have met claiming to be prophets are not prophets. 2. Heresy is mixing law with salvation. 3. I have never met a perfect person. DavidM has convinced me there is no such animal. Bye. PS. TT is guilty

Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread ttxpress
Hello, Glenn. Welcome back:-) "Almost all"--eh(?)...interesting...and we know you haven't met JS...so who are you talkin' about, Oral Roberts?? Benny Hinn?? On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:41:59 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. I am not a prophet, the son of a prophet, nor do I come from

Re: [TruthTalk] For the Record II

2003-02-10 Thread ttxpress
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:38:15 -0500 "Marlin Halverson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where do you find Jesus doing carpentry on the Sabbath? In the darkness of their sight Lovewas floodingLaw with Light Every nailhammered tight while He wasbuilding©them a new house

Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread Charles P. Locke
Glen, Glad you dropped by. Please come back when you can stay longer. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:41:59 EST 1. I am not a prophet, the son of a prophet, nor

Re: [TruthTalk] Understanding comes through obedience

2003-02-10 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: I just don't understand what you are inferring from this scripture. Apparently you see it as meaning we don't have to observe the Sabbath anymore. No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the Sabbath means something much more than sanctifying Saturday (the day of Saturn,

RE: [TruthTalk] For the record II

2003-02-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Michael D, I have no idea what you are talking about. Izzy It should not surprise us that obedience to Gods law is a major part of loving Him. After all, Jesus said, Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. ~ Jerry Bridges in Discipline of Grace

RE: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ha! I knew you couldnt resist!!! Feel free to drop in and scold us for heresy anytime, Glenn. J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

RE: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Who is JS? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn Hello, Glenn. Welcome back:-) Almost

RE: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread Charles P. Locke
Izzy, JS is a reference from a long time ago, to Joseph Smith, founder and non-prophet of the Mormon Church. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:05:49 -0600 Who

Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: The law is a curse ... Gal. 3:13 Men and brethren, It grieves me to hear someone claim that the law is a curse. This was the testimony of false witnesses against men of God, claiming that they blasphemed the law and taught against the law (Acts 6:13). Nowhere in the Bible does it

Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread CHamm56114
Glenn is right here - Galations 3:13 makes that clear. Have you bothered to read it! Glenn wrote: The law is a curse ... Gal. 3:13 Men and brethren, It grieves me to hear someone claim that the law is a curse. This was the testimony of false witnesses against men of God, claiming that they

RE: [TruthTalk] For the record II

2003-02-10 Thread michael douglas
Michael D: OK.WhatI am trying to point outis that the passages quoted don't mention the law. Commandments are anything God tells us to do or not to do. They are not restricted to what was in the law. Also, commandments in the OT don't necessarily equate to commandments in the NT. Most people

Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Nowhere in the Bible does it teach us that the law is a curse. Rather, the testimony of Scripture is as follows: Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just,and good. Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the

Re: [TruthTalk] Just a clarification from Glenn

2003-02-10 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 2/10/2003 3:59:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are redeemed from the law's curse, not from the law. The way Glenn talks, people need to be saved from the law. The way Glenn talks, the law and sin are the same thing. The law is a curse; the law is bad

Re: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin

2003-02-10 Thread Marlin Halverson
When was the Sabbath created? - Original Message - From: Charles P. Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Yes, to claim the law is not a curse is to sin I posted this some time ago, and thought some who have