Michael D: Izzy, I agree with all of those scriptures (of course). But scripture must be lined up with scripture... Won't you agree? I will assume that you do. Which will mean we have to understand all of those in the light of all that the NT says about the law. Would you agree with that?
When God says don't put the law on the Gentiles, that's a very definitive statement. James emphasizes that this came from the Holy Ghost. Paul says that we are dead to the law... etc, etc. This tells me I have to reconcile the need to keep God's commandments with the fact that I am dead to the law, and the fact that the law was till Jesus came, and now is no longer for me.
How do I do that? Well, alll of the scriptures below, tell us to obey God's commandments, but none tell us about the law. Can you see that? If we say they speak about the law, then we are reading something into them that is not there. Can we agree on that?
Even if they were to mean the law, we could not determine that from the literal scriptures quoted, can you see that?
My point is that we have to understand commandments in the terms that the NT employs, and not the OT scriptures which command us to keep the commandments under the law. For those scriptures were written with regard to the law. And the Holy Ghost said that that is not for the Gentiles. (Acts 15)
What then are the commandments in the NT that we must obey? I Jn says it specifically: ...This is His commandment, that we believe in His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another as He (Jesus) gave us commandment....
Here John agrees with Paul, that what is required of us is: ... Faith which worketh by love... Gal 5.
ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael,
As you can see from the New Testament scriptures below, there is NO question that we are still to keep God�s commandments. The only question in my mind is this: Which commandments are still in effect, and which (if any) are no longer in effect? Obviously SOME are still in effect. Agreed? If so, which commandments do you think are still in effect?
Izzy
"[John 14:21, 23; 15:10; 1 John 5:3; 2 John 6] If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21
"[John 14:15, 23; 15:10; 1 John 5:3; 2 John 6] He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and [John 14:23; 16:27] he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will [Ex 33:18f; Prov 8:17] disclose Myself to him."John 15:10
"[John 14:15] If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as [John 8:29] I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(Whole Chapter: John 15 In context: John 15:9-11)1 Corinthians 7:19
[Rom 2:27, 29; Gal 3:28; 5:6; 6:15; Col 3:11] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is [Rom 2:25] the keeping of the commandments of God.1 Thessalonians 4:2
For you know what commandments we gave you [Lit through the Lord] by the authority of the Lord Jesus.Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish [1 Tim 1:4] myths and [Col 2:22] commandments of men who [2 Tim 4:4] turn away from the truth.1 John 2:3
[1 John 2:5; 3:24; 4:13; 5:2] By this we know that we have come to [1 John 2:4; 3:6; 4:7f] know Him, if we [John 14:15; 15:10; 1 John 3:22, 24; 5:3; Rev 12:17; 14:12] keep His commandments.1 John 2:4
The one who says, "[Titus 1:10] I have come to [1 John 3:6; 4:7f] know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a [1 John 1:6] liar, and [1 John 1:8] the truth is not in him;1 John 3:22
and [Job 22:26f; Matt 7:7; 21:22; John 9:31] whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we [1 John 2:3] keep His commandments and do [John 8:29; Heb 13:21] the things that are pleasing in His sight.1 John 3:24
The one who [1 John 2:3] keeps His commandments [John 6:56; 10:38; 1 John 2:6, 24; 4:15] abides in Him, and He in him. [John 14:17; Rom 8:9, 14, 16; 1 Thess 4:8; 1 John 4:13] We know by this that [1 John 2:5] He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us .1 John 5:2
[1 John 2:5] By this we know that [1 John 3:14] we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.1 John 5:3
For [John 14:15; 2 John 6] this is the love of God, that we [1 John 2:3] keep His commandments; and [Matt 11:30; 23:4] His commandments are not burdensome.2 John 1:6
And [1 John 2:5; 5:3] this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, [1 John 2:24] just as you have heard [1 John 2:7] from the beginning, that you should walk in it.Revelation 12:17
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to [Rev 11:7; 13:7] make war with the rest of her [Gen 3:15] children, who [1 John 2:3; Rev 14:12] keep the commandments of God and [Rev 1:2; 6:9; 14:12; 19:10] hold to the testimony of Jesus.Revelation 14:12
Here is [Rev 13:10] the perseverance of the saints who [Rev 12:17] keep the commandments of God and [Rev 2:13] their faith in Jesus.
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