Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Jonathan does not follow God's Word Caroline, he is a follower of "Orthodoxy" which during the days of Christ's earthly ministry would have been the Scribes Pharisees - or as Jesus put it, the blind leading the blind. Now back then Jesus told his disciplesto "let them be" but Athanasuis

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
I think the same could be said for every one of the OT Prophets, that is, the ones through whom we received the scriptures. They were all street preachers and the reaction of Israel before the dispersion was the equivalent of this Baptist fellow. Psych case huh? jt On Fri, 13 May 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Of course God in his foreknowledge knew what Pharoah would do but he gave him (was it 8 opportunities to repent?) and Pharoah himself made the choice every time to play games. So he was responsibile for hardening his own heart. First he hardened it and then God honored his choice. jt On

[TruthTalk] Fruit from the Seed and Root of Orthodoxy FYI

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
If you've been keeping abreast of world news, you know that the new pope is putting the late Pope John Paul on the fast-laneof "sainthood." It makes no difference, of course,what God's sentiments are in this paganistic ritual, for if the Roman Catholic hierarchy decrees that someone be

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
I saw the movie years and years ago Blaine; the good looking Sidney Poitierplayed the black man with the big heart... but like all else that eminates fromHollywood this too is fantasy. Jesus went to the cross to enable us to deal with reality as well as to invite us to experience a

RE: [TruthTalk] Fox news

2005-05-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Shucks. I hope you will share it when you receive the CD. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:39 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news The changed the date already

RE: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wow. That is shocking and amazing. Do the Mormons here believe that? If so, things are worse than I thought! Izzy Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkieWhat Mormons Think of Christ, 1982, p. 19. Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power.; Much that is

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
What Kevin says is not offensive to me in the least. I think when he preaches against sin it is only offensive to sinners. The same word of God either hardens or softens hearts. When I hear someone preach against sin like Kevin does it causes me to want to examine my own life to be sure Im

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Caroline, American Arthur Blessit I believe was the originator of carrying a cross to evangelize. Such street preaching described below is not uncommon in America. Each preacher must do whatever God calls him to doand some are called to preach to hardened sinners more than others. Their

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Mr.'B' says 'I do trust in Jesus for my Salvation'. IFF this Jesus, in whom he trusts is THE JESUS of other TTers then, what is one (Charles, Perry) to make of his teaching/doctrine concerning THIS JESUS? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
I am addressing this as intrinsic and ontological.IFF one of my brothers begins to worship Satan and, I say to him: 'you are no longer my brother' yet is he still my brother. -- Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 13, 2005 23:11

RE: [TruthTalk] Fruit from the Seed and Root of Orthodoxy FYI

2005-05-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, you must have been eavesdropping on the comments between my husband and myself last nightwe were saying the very same things. As my husband said, If worshipping God isnt enough for you, you can become a RC and worship humans. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Have you been in touch with and, heard back from, Ray? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 13, 2005 23:10 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 Thank you. I made a deal with the Lord

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Lance stands mystified and hermeneutically challenged? Happily with Mighty Mouse help is always on the way? - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 00:16 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

[TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
*Note subject change. Subject was baptism and is now God Hardens Hearts. Lance wrote: I believe that much of the teaching you espouse on TT is either mostly or totally your own (tradition). Lest others be deceived by humanism in the same way that Lance has, let me share a little more of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fruit from the Seed and Root of Orthodoxy FYI

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: If you've been keeping abreast of world news, you know that the new pope is putting the late Pope John Paul on the fast-laneof "sainthood." It makes no difference, of course,what God's sentiments are in this paganistic ritual, for if the Roman Catholic hierarchy

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
One senses, by inference, that you are calling me a religious hypocrite. IFF you are then, as a prophet of God, say so with some specificity and, name me. Though assuredly not needing permission from me or, from any other; please know that your doctrine/teaching (part of which issues from your

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: One senses, by inference, that you are calling me a religious hypocrite. IFF you are then, as a prophet of God, say so with some specificity and, name me. Though assuredly not needing permission from me or, from any other; please know that your doctrine/teaching (part of which

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Caroline Wong
The OT prophets were filled with the Holy Spirit and commissioned by God. Each word that he spoke was an inspiration of the Spirit. I'll leave ya'll from various camps to decide for yourselves what the Street Preachers are filled with and who commissioned them. - Original Message -

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you understand DISINHERITED? OF course, do you? Satan has lost his inheritance and is no longer related to the children of our Father in Heaven -- that includes Jesus. How does one become as you put it "NO LONGER RELATED"? Once a son always a son.Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you

[TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Amen, me too!! I'm with you Saint Terry - signed Saint JudyFrom: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]This old world could use a lot more literate fundamentalists... Saint Terry Lance Muir wrote: One senses, by inference, that you are calling me a religious hypocrite. IFFyou are then, as a

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Caroline Wong
So this is where we respectfully disagree. I believe Jonathan is on the right path and that you are on the wrong path having followed the wrong leaders. But that's okay. God loves you and understands all that make you think and act the way you do. There will be judgment but as His daughter,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Did you use the Term "stripling" because you know about: http://www.1on1.net/1valor/imagehtm/01mb.htm http://nephi.org/art/view.php/37/ http://lehi.com/vin2.html Stripling Warrior The 2,000 Stripling Warriors "...were exceedingly valiant for courage... Yea, they were men of truth and soberness,

[TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
What was the "inheritance" of angels? I know they were called sons of God but Satan/Lucifer was never the brother of Jesus - At that time (before Satan fell) the second member of the Godhead was God the Word. judyt On Sat, 14 May 2005 05:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
This old world has got 'em whether or not (IMO not) it could use 'em. However, bless you both (Terry Judy). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 08:13 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

Re: [TruthTalk] Fruit from the Seed and Root of Orthodoxy FYI

2005-05-14 Thread Caroline Wong
I often tell Catholics that according to the bible, we're all saints. Even those freewheeling Corinthians and confused Galatians. How about you guys? Did I just hear an amen! or was that an AAaarrgghh in bright red? Love Caroline - Original Message - From: Judy

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Raymond says I can battle you toe to toe. Further, scurrilous and vicious attempts to slander my Church - may have me going on the offensive. I don't think you want that. I'd blow you out of the water and show you just how sandy a foundation you are built upon. MaybeI better watch out, Raymond is

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
CW says Jonathan does not disagree with God's word What post did you read??? I did not see any Bible in the post, just his correction of the Bible. On what AUTHORITY do you Bible correctors operate? God has a controversy with you; DETAILS in the HOLY BIBLE Hos 4:1 EX 4 I will harden

Re: [TruthTalk] Street preacher repents and joins LDS Church

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Holt, a former Mormon basher and dedicated street preacher See how the story grows in the fertile imaginations of LDS folk? "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Thank you for the full story, Kevin.From : Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Save to Address

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
What do you think? Real question is what does God think? Phil 1:8 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Christians REJOICE when Christ is preached! PTL! Acts 4:19 Whether it be right in the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
That has nothing to do with it. Lucifer rebelled and was cast off. He as lost his inheritance and can no longer be reckoned as a child of God. Only the faithful children of God, who keep their second estate will receive the inheritance.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do they (Jesus and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Are you having problems reading English? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'I agree'? There's never a linguist around when you need one. - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 12, 2005 18:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Well Caroline, everyone to their own opinion. I would take a lot of comfort in your thoughts if you were the judge, but there is a different standard which isnot near as lax. Yes God understood and loved us enough to send His ONLY begotten Son to pay for our transgressions so that we would

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Caroline Wong
Thanks Izzy. I just thought the article was amusing because this atheist approached a man dressed as Jesus carrying his cross and found him an "affable" guy. This later inspired the atheist to check out the history of Street Preachers in Canada and he ends up in the Yonge Street missions

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Mr. 'B': Do you recognize when a difference such as this exists that the problem is not that of one's ability to 'read English'? Your answer to the question 'Who is Jesus' is ontologically different from virtually all of orthodox christianity since it's inception. THAT IS TO BE OUR

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Tsk, tsk Judy! What have you been watching? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 08:52 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Well

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Caroline Wong
But Kevin dear, therein lies the irony. Christ is not being preached. Let those who have ears hear. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Got it. Thick but, not overly dense. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 10:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Mighty Mouse responds: When you invited me to join TT, I

Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Perry: Raymond, you are very smooth. You almost had me believing that you worship the same Jesus and God that Terry worships. Raymond: I worship the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ. Perry: You see, the God of the Bible never was a man. Raymond: Have you never read that we are created

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Mr. 'B':You may, unknowingly, have fallen prey to syncretism. - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 10:02 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe Perry: Raymond, you are

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
Caroline Wong wrote: I've met many Christians from many different churches and denominations (including Methodist/Wesleyan) and never came across a Street Preacher. The father of the Methodist/Wesleyan tradition was John Wesley. He was a street preacher who first preached outside while

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: One senses, by inference, that you are calling me a religious hypocrite. IFF you are then, as a prophet of God, say so with some specificity and, name me. Not in this forum, Lance. You know ad hominem statements like this would not be allowed in this forum. Stop baiting me.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
That was then (John Wesley) and, this is now (David Kevin). These are quite different cultural contexts. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 10:37 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 10:45 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts Lance wrote: One senses, by inference, that you are calling me a religious hypocrite. IFF you are then, as a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: Those 65,000 words were added and should be removed so that what we have is the purer form. Caroline, please think about this. If YOU were copying the Bible for your reading later, what type of mistakewould you most likely make? Would it be more likely that you would

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart? Raymond: Yes, I have read Exodus. Take a look at the following– "And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news

2005-05-14 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: What day did it run, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: The changed the date already ran it. I have a copy coming on cd. The ADF said it has generated additional interest in the case. ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, I didnt see your interview on

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Implied by the text, see-- "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil (ie. Slanderer), and Satan (ie. Adversary), which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
No Kevin, in SLC or elsewhere I would not cuss at you. You obviously don't know me. As far as frustrated, no way. The word that I would use is aggravated. Your faith doesn't even come close to holding up as well as mine. As far as 'slander and ignorance,' -- I call it as I see it.Kevin Deegan

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: That was then (John Wesley) and, this is now (David Kevin). These are quite different cultural contexts. Not really that different, certainly not as different as the culture of the New Testament people and now. People use the different culture argument not to believe Jesus too,

[TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Caroline I noted you are involved with Alpha, are you also involved with the Toronto Blessing and aware of the following? This is from an Australian publication. judyt TITLE:Toronto Blessing leads to RomeTEXT:An unbelievable exodus has been occuring from Protestant Churches to the Roman

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: Someone I don't know, trust, believe or even like shouting at me stuff that is offensive to my ears is disturbing my right to peace and quiet and my right to be unmolested and intimidated when I enter my place of worship. Hmmm. Is there a problem with tolerance here? You

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, I find that YOU are the man guilty of this. DM carefully lays out his reasons for what he believes, with scripture. YOU make pronouncements with no backing at all. YOU act as the voice of God', with nothing but your own opinion to back up your own opinion. Agreed? Izzy -Original

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
I have read the collected works of Wesley including his journals. David, David etc. the culture has changed since I was a young man, never mind since Wesley's era. Goodness sake, man, are you 'unplugged'? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Sometimes you 'guys' are just to funny. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 12:08 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha Caroline I noted you are involved with Alpha, are you

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
IFF my opinion differed from God's opinion then, you'd have a point. But.. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 10:32 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts Lance, I find that YOU are

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
How so Lance, since we are not the ones who persist in indulgingcartoonspeak - you have one freaky and strangesense of humor. jt On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:25:39 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes you 'guys' are just to funny. From: Judy Taylor

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
'Cartoonspeak' May I say that, on occasion, you can be one funny broad? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 12:34 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Toronto

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
It's a different culture, David. You do understand that Britain, Europe, Eurasia, the near/far east, Russia etc. are significantly different cultures, do you not? What may pass as OK in the good old 'shoot 'em up' US of A would not pass of OK in Japan, do you not? Canada ain't America, thank God!

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers? Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Implied by the text, see-- sniP --notice that he is 'the accuser' who is 'cast down,' and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
When you Mormons cannot provide an orthodox answer to the question 'Who do men say that I am' then, there ain't much point in the talkin' 'bout the 'condiments' Were this statement to be reversed wouldn't you (Mormons) expect an Amen? (do you Amen anything?). - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Excuse me but I was an eyewitness to the HIGH PRIEST who was charged with Theft agravated Assault. We were in a circle heads bowed obviously praying EYES closed. When the thug started growling real loud. Next thing I know he grabbed the smallest gut ( I would say he out wieghed his victim by 80

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
How do we check the validity of this post? Was it posted by a Satanist? Now an enemy (like yourself )of the Gospel would never lie would they? Anyway. I see where you stand. Public Preaching of the Gospel is HATE in your eyes. Public preaching of the Gospel is akin to Skin Heads NAZI's Your

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: I have read the collected works of Wesley including his journals. David, David etc. the culture has changed since I was a young man, never mind since Wesley's era. Goodness sake, man, are you 'unplugged'? ==

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Seems that is what God's word says, Judy. What is wrong with the scripture as it portrays itself? Someone tell me what the problem is other than "that is not a correct translation" says who? How about dealing with the scriptures instead of "I think" I don't think some here even read the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: David ... the culture has changed since I was a young man, never mind since Wesley's era. Goodness sake, man, are you 'unplugged'? LOL. Don't worry, I'm plugged into God. What else matters? Look, we agree that cultures differ in both time and space. The question is, has

[TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Right on - There is nothing new under the sun. Good is still good, evil is still evil. God says "I am the Lord, I change not" Malachi 3:6 ... which should give all of us hope. From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cultures change with time and with geography. The message remains the same.

RE: [TruthTalk] Fox news

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sure, but export to Canada is Restricted. No telling what damage a little Gospel Preaching might cause in their Utopian society!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shucks. I hope you will share it when you receive the CD. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
That is from a Church published pamphlet that ALL the older missionaries used to pass out. It carries the official "published by the C J C L D S" ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. That is shocking and amazing. Do the Mormons here believe that? If so, things are worse than I

[TruthTalk] THE GREAT APOSTASY

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
THE GREAT APOSTASY The gospel has been preached since the times of Adam. Do you remember that Abel offered sacrifices to the Lord? Where do you think that he learned that from? Adam? But how would he know how to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you remember the skins of animals given to Adam and

[TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Missing Books

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
THE HOLY BIBLE – Missing BooksIf you still doubt the apostasy (some would call it the dark ages), you need look no further than the Bible itself – for it has suffered from it.Books missing from the Bible–Book of the Covenant Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
I do not chase people down the street, I just preach do one on one discuss teach, answer questions, and or pray with people. If they care not, that is between them God I have discharged my responsibility. I try to conduct myself as a Christian. Try being lied about slandered, put on TV for

[TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors If you still doubt the apostasy (some would call it the dark ages), you need look no further than the Bible itself – for it has suffered from it.Contraditions-- WHO MOVED DAVID TO NUMBER ISRAEL? Compare 2Sam 24:1 with 1Chr 21:1 "And again the anger of the LORD was

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
I've quoted this previously: Adapt/Adopt - The line between them is finer than a hair and harder than a diamond. We both know that words, however inadequate, infused with the Spirit of the Living God, can/will change lives/hearts. So then, 'amen' with a small 'a'. - Original Message -

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE GREAT APOSTASY

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
You're 'blue' and, I'm blue reading you. What's a guy to do? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 15:35 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE GREAT APOSTASY THE GREAT APOSTASY The gospel has been preached

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Here we go again.. The anger of God (Satan) moved David to number Israel against the advice of his military Cmdr 2 Sam 2:41 and 1 Chr 21:1 are saying the same thing; there is NO error. On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: THE HOLY BIBLE 

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE - Missing Books

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Hey! Who wants to go on a 'Lost Books of the Bible' hunt? eh? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 15:40 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Missing Books THE HOLY BIBLE – Missing BooksIf you

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
.and God loves sinners today as much as ever He has.Amen? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 15:20 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Lance Muir wrote: I have

[TruthTalk] _THE_HOLY_BIBLE_-_Errors?=

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Only humanity did not write it - Holy men wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, the Bible is a supernatural book - it is only foolishness to the natural mind which does not understand the things of the Spirit of God because they are spiritually discerned. jt On Sat, 14 May 2005

[TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
God has loved the sinner as much as He is ever going to love him in sending His ONLY begotten to die for them. It is now up to the sinner. Does he want to cling to what God hates and go with it into eternity - or will he repent and let go of his iniquity and sin so he can embracea new

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
I believe that many of you preach the 'gospel of qualifications'. If you qualify then, you get in. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 16:24 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Plenty of others have known these facts Lance; if I were a betting person I would wager that Terry, Kevin, Izzy, and DavidM know them for a start along with apostlesPeter (2 Peter 1:21) and Paul (1 Corinthians 2:14)judyt On Sat, 14 May 2005 16:23:26 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Kevin: What is with you pompous scriptorians in the LDS church. What makes you LDS so PRIDEFUL? Raymond: It's not a matter of pride. We know that the things we teach are given by God. We have testimonies from God. We are willing to stand for those testimonies even to the laying down of our lives.

[TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin: What is with you pompous scriptorians in the LDS church. What makes you LDS so PRIDEFUL? Raymond: It's not a matter of pride. We know that the things we teach are given by God. We have testimonies from God. We are willing to stand for those

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
'Your' facts, 'their' facts - perspectivalism. EVEN DAVID 'nose' that his is but a perspective. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 16:37 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
So Lance IYO God has given us an impossible task because noone can know the Truth. Since all that any of us can have is their own perspective then Monty Python's perspective is just as valid, (in fact more so in your world) than that of the Word of God as written. We can't possibly obey even

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Raymond: Because according to the Scriptures, Satan can appear almost as an angel of light. Kevin: Do you work with Blaine? Raymond: No, but he’s a friend of mine. Kevin: What scripture are you "almost" referring to? Raymond: I’m referring to "... that being who beguiled our first parents, who

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Yes.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you have any idea what keys Elder Bruce R. McConkie held or currently holds. Since Elder McConkie is Dead does he still hold keys? Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh come on now-- Have you read the book called Mormon Doctrine? Have you

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: I have led a good number of lost to the Lord. I just love telling people about my savior, can't shut my mouth, look what He did for me! Great Attitude! Too bad we aren't all able to say the same. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-14 Thread Bothoms
Raymond: My answers to Kevin's following accusations-- LDS: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bears the name of our Savior. Demote God: God is our Eternal Father in Heaven. He presented the Plan of Salvation to us. Devalue Christ: He is our Messiah, the Lord God Omnipotent. He is

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-14 Thread Lance Muir
Might John Cleese be a better interpreter than yourself? Yup. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 17:05 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE - Missing Books

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Hey! Who wants to go on a 'Lost Books of the Bible' hunt? eh? = I think they are stored in the ark. Find it, and we can believe again.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: .and God loves sinners today as much as ever He has.Amen? BIG AMEN!

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Terry Clifton
Bothoms wrote: Kevin: What is with you pompous scriptorians in the LDS church. What makes you LDS so PRIDEFUL? Raymond: It's not a matter of pride. We know that the things we teach are given by God. We have testimonies from God. We are willing to stand for those testimonies even to the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Hope I don't get moderated for this - Is this the John Cleese you are talking about Lance? I'd say unregenerate with a mind that is reprobate .. why do you like to play on the slippery slope... Sounds like this fellow has a lot of peace huh!!!

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread knpraise
This, of course, is not the objection. It is not "tolerance" that is in question, but effectiveness of ministry (not to mention rudeness). I personally believe that for everyone "brought to the Lord" via some form of the Screaming Ministry, there are dozens who effected in the very opposite way.

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: I was hoping someone would pick up on the issue of traditional bigotry being overcome as individuals interacted with one another over a long period of time. The book was supposedly true, not sure whether the Hollywood movie version took it into the area of fiction or no.I don't

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you saying that the things Kevin posts from Mormon sources are lies Blaine? On Sat, 14 May 2005 19:09:55 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BLAINE: I was hoping someone would pick up on the issue of traditional bigotry being overcome as individuals interacted with one another over a

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-14 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Scriptures testisfy that there are only two churches---And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whose belongeth not to the church of the Lamb

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: I think, Judy, your equating street preachers with OT prophets is going a bit far, huh? OT prophets most often got their messages across through working through the political establishment--kings, false priests, etc. While they did go about the streets, I cannot concieve of them

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