Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I'm not sure I am understanding your position on this, Kevin. Why do you suggest JtB was not a Christian? Kevin Deegan wrote: We are Christians, John was not, he was the friend of the bridegroom a OT saint a Jew in a different kingdom. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: How many SPers are there in your camp at SLC, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: It is a shame why can't we work together? I guess he got his feathers ruffled and he left cause we "poisoned the waters" If he was really interested in ministry to LDS and wnated to avoid us, he could go to a

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Waving underwear in an attempt to belittle seems obnoxious to me. Do you disagree, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Does JW now employ the same obnoxious tactics? He only hands out literature. What is so OBNOXIOUS? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Carolyn asks: Did we miss it? Was: Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: To what passages are you referring, Perry? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Jesus also said he'd return before they've gone through all the towns of Israel. So, did we miss it? Carolyn, I would love to hear your answer to the question you posed above. Can you provide a little rationale along

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Give me some time Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe we can stick to one thread, Betwixt us, then? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you answer a few questionsI have? DAVEH: That becomes a problem, Kevin. I hardly have time to read all the TT posts, let alone answer

Re: [TruthTalk] Copying the Bible

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Thanx for your below thoughts and comments, DavidM! David Miller wrote: *Note Subject Change Subject was "Rikk Watts on Genesis 1" and is now "Copying the Bible" Caroline Wong wrote: Both errors are likely. People could deliberately add words to bolster the text and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: God, in the form of a man consisting of a spirit being. Are we in agreement on that, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: What was he before he "became a man"? Hos 11:9 I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee DAVEH: I agree, Kevin. Jesus was not a man before he was

[TruthTalk] Question To Ruben

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Ruben, did I understand you correctly to say that you are the guy who holds up the Jn 3:16 sign at most of the televised sporting events? If so, I'm curiousdo any of the folks behind you complain about their view being blocked by the sign? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: SoHave any SPers (other than DavidM) attempted to offer to smoke the peace pipe with him? Ruben Israel wrote: There was a man by the name of James White who took this approach for 18 years before the Street Preachers came to the Mormon conferences. He too was upset with

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Dee of Utah

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
"Truth that's told with bad intent beats all the Lies you can invent." (William Blake) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
How could he beGod in the "form of a man" before he became a man? Your joking with me, that make NO sense.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: God, in the form of a man consisting of a spirit being. Are we in agreement on that, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: What was he before he "became a

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Me too. I used to see him at the mesa Easter Pag. but he did not show at that this year either.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: SoHave any SPers (other than DavidM) attempted to offer to smoke the peace pipe with him?Ruben Israel wrote: There was a man by the name of James

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
OK, let me know.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Give me some timeKevin Deegan wrote: Maybe we can stick to one thread, Betwixt us, then?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you answer a few questionsI have?DAVEH: That becomes a problem, Kevin. I hardly have time to read

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
I do believe in show tell!Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Waving underwear in an attempt to belittle seems obnoxious to me. Do you disagree, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Does JW now employ the same obnoxious tactics? He only hands out literature. What is so OBNOXIOUS?--

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
It flucuates. There are only a couple other groups a few lone rangers and sometimes a group or two that are tracters/1 on1Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: How many SPers are there in your camp at SLC, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: It is a shame why can't we work together? I guess he got

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Christians are refered to as the bride, here John identifies himself as the Friend of the Bridegroom, not the bride. Christians firstshow up (acts 10) way after the time of John's death. He is in the same group as the OT saints who were obviously not Christians.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
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Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Did I miss CW's response?Ruben Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Caroline, I will make this very easy for you to answer questions without enormous commentaries, nice soft little stories, or starting from Adam and Eve to make your point,and trying to be politically correct. I trust you read

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: Jesus said no one born of women is greater than John the Baptist. Does that include Jesus himself? Then Jesus said the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. What did he mean by that? How are all of us here greater than John? Love,

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: Christians are refered to as the bride, here John identifies himself as the Friend of the Bridegroom, not the bride. Christians first show up (acts 10) way after the time of John's death. He is in the same group as the OT saints who were obviously not Christians.

Re: [TruthTalk] TRUTH TALK Most Dangerous man in Canada

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Preach Christ by all means and always with gentleness and respect so that none can criticize you. As far as it is possible, live at peace with one another. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:19 PM

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Caroline, would you cast out the sinful man from your fellowship as the Corinthians did? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:51 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Agreed. Might He also send street preachers? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 He tells us in many ways

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thou shalt not shout. (Which commandment is that?) Izzy Prov 1:20 Wisdom shouts in the street,She lifts her voice in the square; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
So who is bullying? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:32 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Thank you for correcting me. But bullying is hate. Thinking

RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Of course; dont you? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:38 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Do you believe the gifts of prophecy, tongues and healing

RE: [TruthTalk] Copying the Bible

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Surely you know that Jefferson was not saved? He was another liberal who wanted scripture to conform to his own ideology. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:55 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

RE: [TruthTalk] TRUTH TALK Most Dangerous man in Canada

2005-05-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Golly, Ive never seen that happen here! (Only all over the place, including my own neighborhood.) Do we still have phone booths in AmericaI thought they went out with the dark ages? And how about all those abandoned igloos in Canada? J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Was moses sold out? Was he a Christian? John the Baptist heralded the Messiah to Israel, not to the Church. He was a saint of God, was blessed of God. Christians are not the only saints. There are OT Saints and there will be saints that go thru the tribulation. While the Church is at the wedding

Re: [TruthTalk] Carolyn asks: Did we miss it? Was: Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I was referring to no passages at all. This was Carolyn's statement. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Carolyn asks: Did we miss it? Was: Street Preaching Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:42:12 -0700 DAVEH:

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Ruben Israel
DAVEH: Ruben, did I understand you correctly to say that you are the guy who holds up the Jn 3:16 sign at most of the televised sporting events? If so, I'm curiousdo any of the folks behind you complain about their view being blocked by the sign? Yes I am one of the guys, there are

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jesus was addressing the Apostles and that includes CWTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline Wong wrote: Jesus said no one born of women is greater than John the Baptist. Does that include Jesus himself? Then Jesus said the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. What did

[TruthTalk] Temples

2005-05-17 Thread David Miller
*Note Subject Change Subject was "baptism" and now is "Temples" Dave Hansen wrote: So you are suggesting that the things I mentioned---apostles, prophets, temples, etc.---are not necessary today, Kevin? If so, I respectfully disagree. As you know, I believe that apostles and prophets are

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: No Kevin, I am not joking. I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus was the God of the OT before his birth (Jn 1:1-14)I assume you agree. From Jn 4:24, you do believe God of the OT was a spiritis that correct, Kevin? Yet that spirit had the form of a body similar to ours, as is

Re: [TruthTalk] Copying the Bible

2005-05-17 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: I wouldn't add words but some copyists did. Those who add words either attempt to create their own version of the Bible, or they do so for their own personal use, much like many might write in the margins of their Bibles. Surely you recognize the difference between this and

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
CW has not told me how Jesus communicated with the large crowds without lifting his voice. Seems she wants to frame it as SCREAMINNG!!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: “Thou shalt not shout.” (Which commandment is that?) Izzy Prov 1:20 “Wisdom shouts in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Thanx for your explanation, Ruben. I ask because I am curious. I am surprised that you would find the underwear I wear to be obnoxious, as if you would even be aware of it if you weren't so bent on denigrating Mormonism. After all, we are not flaunting it before the public. (And I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2005-05-17 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: I believe we can state our opinions without cross the line to hate. The question is, am I crossing the line to hate when I write the following: Romans 1 + Leviticus 20:13 = Do Not Practice Homosexuality. Please answer yes or no along with whatever commentary you like. Is this

Re: [TruthTalk] Copying the Bible

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
DH This link does not give the full history and it has misled you. Tischendorf first saw the whole text in the trash can ready to be burned on his first trip. Read Tischendorf's account for yourself Thanks for straightening that out. DH Not all humans. I have never done that. Guys like Joseph

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: And you are inferring that Jesus was not a BAPTIST!?!?!?! =-O Kevin Deegan wrote: For you LDS out there notice he was a BAPTIST : ) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: Can we stop all bullying? Probably not. But kids are more likely to tell teachers if they are being bullied, bystanders are more likely to intervene and bullies know this is not acceptable behaviour. The value of speech is too high to curb it by prosecuting those who

RE: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Any ideaWHY they would do that? IZZY?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who water down the Word are sure to be safe from persecution. (Theyactually DO the persecuting of those who don't!) Izzy-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: Now how to you reconcile your understanding of His wrath with Him being love? Simple. They are one in the same. If I love my daughter and someone hurts my daughter, I should punish that person. When one of my children hurts another, I punish that child because of my love

RE: [TruthTalk] TRUTH TALK Most Dangerous man in Canada

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Someone has a real low opinion of America. Golly gee whiz lets make sure our kids don't play with those neighbor kids. You know who. My brother spent 5 years doing medical research in Boston and acquired a lot of American friends. They visit occasionally and here are just some samples of things

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
No DH, what is obnoxious is wearing them, trusting in him as a rabbit foot or supposing the apostles wore them…..talk about revolting. That is Exactly why they are embarassed, they even know it is hokey. One reason we do show and tell with them, is there are ACTIVE LDS Members who have not been in

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Dressing appropriate is to wear underwear with special protective powers? What Bible verse teaches such? Did the priests in the OT wear such under garments, with special markings on them? There is a lot of instruction about the Temple and the priests in the OT so should be easy to find.Dave Hansen

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
If Canada develops a lot of wimps who cannot handle any amount of criticism TOO LATE ! David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline wrote: Can we stop all bullying? Probably not. But kids are more likely to tell teachers if they are being bullied, bystanders are more likely to

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Isn't it ironic how you support Canada prosecuting people who express disagreement with others, but you do not support God for judging the wicked? And HYPOCRITICAL! AND PRIDEFUL, "we are the arbiters of correct thought" David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline wrote: Can we stop all

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
I hope you are not on the side of voting for more persecution of Chrsitians. CW has already said preaching in public is hate and she said let Walcott pay his fine of over $17,000 Is that in Luneys? David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline wrote: I believe we can state our opinions without

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
So what would he look like? a man? Can he be seen? How can you be in the form of a man before you become a man?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: No Kevin, I am not joking. I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus was the God of the OT before his birth (Jn 1:1-14)I assume you agree.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
First, it is not my object lesson. It is God and God in Christ who uses this term "father." He used that term for the simple reason that it would communicate. He could have used "pieodhiret" but it would have meant nothing to us, because we have nothing to compare "peiodhiret" to. Secondly,God

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
Probably the grandest lesson ofthe biblical message is that found in the contrast of lawto grace through faith and all that such includes (the failure of the law, the Incarnation, the ascension - etc.) The truth of that contrast is at the heart of your difference of opinion with Caroline and

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably the grandest lesson ofthe biblical message is that found in the contrast of lawto grace through faith and all that such includes (the failure of the law, the Incarnation, the ascension - etc.) The truth of that contrast is at the heart of your

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Christine Miller
Hello, I'm new to Truth Talk. I've been listening for a little while, and have decided finally to hop in. Caroline, I have a question: After all this discussion of God's anger and love, it would stand to reason that either you do not know God's personality, or the SP's do not know God's

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Psalm 7:11 "God is a righteous judge, a God who expresses his wrath every day." God judges us whenever we err. Otherwise how will we know we've done wrong? It is the role of the Holy Spirit to convict us of sins. His wrath is Love offended and grieved by what we've done. So on to your

Re: [TruthTalk] Copying the Bible

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Therein lies the heart of the issue. We are evangelists to the lost. You and I have written enough on TT that any undecided person or seeker can choose who they will go to for answers, who they think have eternal life. My message is that God is love and I offer healing and freedom in His

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
I'm trying to be generous to my detractors. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Caroline Wong wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
And here I was feeling persecuted :-) Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Free Speech Those who water down the Word are sure to be safe from persecution.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
He most definitely may. Would he send a Canadian? :-) Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 Agreed. Might He

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
That's a big yes! Those gifts are definitely for today. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching Of course; don’t you? Izzy

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
I have no problem with wisdom shouting in the streets. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching “Thou shalt not

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Canada is very tolerant of religious teaching. Saying that the bible prohibits homosexuality and that the bible calls homosexuality a sin is not hate. Nor is sayiing that in church. People can talk about many things from the holocaust to Islam without crossing the line into hate speech. It's

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Unfortunately, I've had too much experience where love won the day. No need to cast anyone out forever to save their souls! :-) I won't share them here as they involve other people. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
I oppose anyone who speaks wrongly about God and I hope to do with grace, love and wisdom. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Isn't it ironic

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Words wound, David. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Caroline wrote: Can we stop all bullying? Probably not. But kids

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
If someone is carnal and an enemy of God, how can you reach that person? Is the purpose of SP to make sure they know they are going to hell even if they can't understand that? Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Hi Christine; I believe God is holy and He judges us. But His holiness and judgment flow from His being love. If we were to divorce His judgment from His love, the people will be crushed. He saves us by judging so that we can know when we're wrong and can have a chance to change. He is the

[TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Caroline Wong
Well folks, it's been mostly fun but I've gotta go. I'm spending too much time here and it's not good since I have to clean up my condo, put it on the market and move in a few short weeks. Things are just too busy. So I'll bid you all a fond farewell. JD, Bill, it's been a real pleasure

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
Sorry to see you move on -- but for selfish reasons. God will bless you and I have benefitted from your stay on this forum. JD -Original Message-From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:36:22 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
The same writer who gave us Romans also wrote I cor 3:! which makes it clear that there are carnal Christians -- babes in Christ. Is God happy or pleased to realize that there are those who have not progressed as He would prefer? Of course. Are carnal saints pleasing to God? Nope. But

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching (Christine)

2005-05-17 Thread Ruben Israel
I think it's important to ask ourselves here if we are ignoring the actual character of God because we just don't enjoy the paradox of His personality. If this is true, it would mean that we would be a more harmful witness than the SP's. Excellent point Christine, as the Bible teaches we are

Re: [TruthTalk] Copying the Bible

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are an evangelist?? Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therein lies the heart of the issue. We are evangelists to the lost. You and I have written enough on TT that any undecided person or seeker can

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Again the facts don't fit your story, you do live in Canada, don't you? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31080The ad's theme was that the Bible says no to homosexual behavior. It listed the references to four Bible passages, Romans 1, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and 1

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Ouch someone pass a law to shut her up.Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Words wound, David. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Caroline wrote:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
No the purpose of the SP is to preach the gospel as commisioned. That (the gospel)includes the wages of sin but maybe you did not know that.Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone is carnal and an enemy of God, how can you reach that person? Is the purpose of SP to make sure they

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well so long,I really do hope you get saved!Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well folks, it's been mostly fun but I've gotta go. I'm spending too much time here and it's not good since I have to clean up my condo, put it on the market and move in a few short weeks. Things are just too busy.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: If someone is carnal and an enemy of God, how can you reach that person? Is the purpose of SP to make sure they know they are going to hell even if they can't understand that? Love, Caroline

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: Ouch someone pass a law to shut her up. === No need. The heat has run her out of the kitchen. Too bad. She might have learned the truth if she had stuck around.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching (Christine)

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
I think some people go to the extreme when judging us, thinking that all we do is preach a dark, gray, gloomy message to everyone. One might be very surprise to find how we communicate to people that have ears to hear. Here are some articles, related to the Christians in Philly charged with hate

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
BUT one can not RUN away from God, He has a wrench for every nut!Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: Ouch someone pass a law to shut her up.===No need. The heat has run her out of the kitchen. Too bad. She might have learned

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
we would be a more harmful witness than the SP's. or as in most cases today, NO WITNESS AT ALL. http://www.baptist2baptist.net/b2barticle.asp?ID=22251 percent of Baptists surveyedbelieved Christians have the responsibility to witness Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm new to

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Christine Miller
Hello Caroline, I've had some experience SPing at UF, where I am enrolled as a student, and I've seen many SPing done.SPing is an act of love. I have had students ask me why I was out there, in the sun, yelling to a bunch of people. I told that person it is because I love God (1 John 5:2-3)

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
The church is the bride of christ BUT Israel is betrothed to God “And I will betroth you to Me forever; Yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, In lovingkindness and in compassion, and I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. The n you will know the Lord.” Hosea 2:19-20 For

[TruthTalk] Welcome

2005-05-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Welcome Christine. Any relationship to David Miller? Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: Pardon me for intervening--I have to say, Kevin's characterization of John the Baptist as not being Christiansounds typically Kevin Deegan, for sure--similar tohis stance that Mormons are not Christians. I am strongly reminded of a passage in the Book of Mormon where Alma, the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Ruben Israel
Well folks, it's been mostly fun but I've gotta go. I'm spending too much time here and it's not good since I have to clean up my condo, put it on the market and move in a few short weeks. Things are just too busy. So I'll bid you all a fond farewell. Well since Caroline is off, I say toss the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: I suspect that Carolyn was just being her usual sweet self, not wanting to get into it with some on TT, bowing out with her usual grace. Strange that those who leave are almost always tose who are careful of others' feelings, full iof charity, doing unto others as they would have

Re:[TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
HOW MANY ANGELS WERE AT THE TOMB? Compare Matt 28:1-7 and Mark 16:5-7 with Luke 24:2-8 Read the accounts carefully. Could an angel have sat down? Are these accounts the same persons at the same time? ONE SEATED on the stone appearedto the keepers before the 2 Marys arrived "In the end of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
You are so off base, Kevin. To imagine that one as judgmental as you would think himself to be accomplishing the work of the Lord is in the kind of trash that rolls off your lips as natural as puss from an open sore is astonding. Well so long,I really do hope you get saved!Caroline Wong

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
How can you be a christian 1000 years before Christ was born? Such as we are told in the Book of Mormon. By the way where exactly isthe hill Rameumpton? Why did the BoM "prophets preach repentance and they are OK but SP's do the same and they are wicked? Could it be that present day Mormons are

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
white meat only of course? No Lamanites? Maybe thjey got right and thus got white? 3 Nephi 2:14-15 "And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; and their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
I hope you get saved too.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are so off base, Kevin. To imagine that one as judgmental as you would think himself to be accomplishing the work of the Lord is in the kind of trash that rolls off your lips as natural as puss from an open sore is astonding. Well so

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you against Judging?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are so off base, Kevin. To imagine that one as judgmental as you would think himself to be accomplishing the work of the Lord is in the kind of trash that rolls off your lips as natural as puss from an open sore is astonding. Well so

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching (Christine)

2005-05-17 Thread Christine Miller
Hello Ruben, thank you for your comments. Ruben wrote: I rarely quote something in the Epistles to unbelievers, because those letters were addressed to saints of particular cities and not to whosoever. Context can help with this truth. We find words like "forgiveness, mercy, love", in all the

Re: [TruthTalk] Welcome

2005-05-17 Thread Christine Miller
Hello, Terry, and thanks for the welcome. Yes, I am his oldest daughter. I'm home for the summer and have decided to dive into TT. Cannonball! :-)Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome Christine. Any relationship to David Miller?Terry--"Let your speech be always with grace,

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
John the Baptist as not being Christiansounds typically Kevin Deegan, for sure--similar tohis stance that Mormons are not Christians. Not similar in the least! John the Baptist is a Saint, LDS are in name ONLY![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: Pardon me for intervening--I have to say, Kevin's

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
You are so off base, Kevin. To imagine that one as judgmental as you would think yourself to be accomplishing the work of the Lordwith the kind of trash that rolls off your lips as natural as puss from an open sore is astounding. How in the world can someone like you (and those who are your

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Too bad you don't work for a living Wrong as usual on ALL counts, I do work for a living. if you PAID attention you would know this, must be the twin of your typoglycemia[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are so off base, Kevin. To imagine that one as judgmental as you would think yourself to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-17 Thread Christine Miller
knpraise wrote:How in the world can someone like you (and those who are your bend the knee supporters) even hope to truly save the lost when you have no clue as to who is saved? How do we know if someone is saved? I ask this sincerely. Blessings, Christine PS- Feel free to ignore me if this

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread knpraise
Yeah, right !! You work and Caroline is lost. Try someone who believes you. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:03:08 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells Too bad you don't work for a

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