Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Lance Muir
To David Miller: What BJ (Bishop John) said herein is that which I was getting at re: your visit to 'the campus'.I suspect you already know that as we've spoken of it previously. IMO, this 'conversation' falls into the same category as so many 'exchanges' do on TT. Persons just share

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 10:45:02 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere! Once again, you cannot remember what it was that I was responding to. And I am not going to tell you so I guess it will just have to

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 2:16:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere! DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
guess it will just have to be a secrewt from now on.Hey BUD we'll have NONE of that around here! I will report you to the Authorities.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Once again, you cannot remember what it was that I was responding to. And I am not going to tell you so I guess it will

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: NIV.htm

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Go FigureShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Leaders aren’t People???From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:51 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing:

RE: [TruthTalk] Book of Enoch

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 11:04:35 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Book of Enoch A friend is reading the Book of Enoch from the Apocrypha. Does anyone know if any of it is inspired, or is it all false teaching? Izzy cd: I

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 10:40:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond 24"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." ~Jesus Christ cd:2 Do you not know that the

Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Enoch

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
The cults love itwhat does that say about it? Not even the RCC believes this one! UFO Cults love it http://www.bibleufo.com/enoch7.htm http://www.bibleufo.com/gospel4.htm Besides thay R 'gods' like LDS There can be no doubt that the incredible realities of the gospel Jesus brought to mankind

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Pride is the highway to utter apostasy. . . . Mark those that are proud in any town, or any company of professors of piety; and if any infection of heresy or infidelity come into that place, these are the men that will soonest catch it. Richard Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bill, remember

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 14

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Judy, your belief system is unlike any that I have ever encountered. You are so quick to critic anything written by those who are on your hit list, yet, you fellowship a whole church of Calvanists (something you supposedly detest) and have very litle in common with the BSF assembly except

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
AND it is OBVIOUS, that you will make your stand, withoutany scripture to back up your Philosophy too.Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am content to stand alone if I must, Kevin; although it is obviousI will not have to.Bill- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
And Lance dances on QLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To David Miller:What BJ (Bishop John) said herein is that which I was getting at re: your visit to 'the campus'.I suspect you already know that as we've spoken of it previously.IMO, this 'conversation' falls into the same

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Lance Muir
Bill: May God's peace be upon you. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 24, 2005 08:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor AND it is OBVIOUS, that you will make your stand, withoutany scripture

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: The translation presents the reader with a completed task when that is not the case. No it does not. The translation is present passive. You keep trying to portray falsely that it is past tense. Nothing in this translation indicates whether our sanctification is completed

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 14

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your belief system is unlike any that I have ever encountered. You are so quick to critic anything written by those who are on your hit list, yet, you fellowship a whole church of Calvanists (something you supposedly detest) and have very litle in common

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: Per this verse, it is our sanctification which is not yet complete. How do you read this into the text? Nothing in this passage indicates that our present sanctification is somehow incomplete. Granted, our sanctification may be ongoing, but to argue that a present tense

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
What would makeBill so staunch in a belief without Scriptural evidence?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD wrote: The translation presents the reader with acompleted task when that is not the case. No it does not. The translation is present passive. You keep trying to portray

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: How can one person be so consistantly wrong? Do you make these idiotic statements just to get attention? No one misses Debbie or Jonathan. No one understands G. John doesn't quite know what he believes and Bill has no ability to communicate with anyone who does not

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Now we are getting to the heart of the matter!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill wrote: Per this verse, it is our sanctificationwhich is not yet complete.How do you read this into the text? Nothing in this passage indicates that our present sanctification is somehow

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Terry Clifton
How tacky! ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere! DAVEH: Do

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: Sure, a present tense verb conveys an action that is not yet complete; in other words, it is not yet a past tense. As I said before, it is unfortunate that the KJV misled you here, understandable though it may be, but now you need to move on to accepting that the original

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
self admiration societyNow that is funny, Thanks for the laughs! Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance Muir wrote: How can one person be so consistantly wrong? Do you make these idiotic statements just to get attention? No one misses Debbie or Jonathan. No one understands G.

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Hi Bill. I appreciate you taking time to explain how you differentiate the middle from passive voice in this passage. My point in asking you to review this is to remind us that it takes some interpretation on our part concerning context. Syntax alonein this case does not give us the answer.

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
cd: In verse 28 God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things mentioned in v.29-he takes the gift of understand (discernment) away from those people mentioned in v.27. So then v29 is the result of v.27. Consider what Adam Clark has to say on the matter: Rom 1:28 - They did not like

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
I don't read Rom. 15:16 as indicating "present and ongoing" action even though the syntax is the same. The context causes me to understand "being sanctified" very similar to "having been sanctified." It is only a short cut _expression_, kind of like a pronoun-verb contraction. Thanks for

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 14

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:44:51 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, your belief system is unlike any that I have ever encountered. You are so quick to critic anything written by those who are on your hit list, yet, you fellowship a whole church of Calvanists (something you

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you make these idiotic statements just to get attention?He is dancing on Q - There is no end to defending myself -- so I won't get started. If the context of my statements do not resolve the issues, nothing else I will say could possibly help. Please note, however, that nothing in what I

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
If there were a verb meaning "to believe falsely," it would not have any significant first person, present indicative!Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aw, Bill, you know this passage is not the same. This is a perfectparticiple "hegiasmene" not a present passive, so I'm not sure what your

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
myth ("Bill is happy," is presumed, and, at best, (is) now; therefore, the happiness is transitory which also squares with human experience; therefore, the present tense'happiness' is incomplete) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:02:32 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:|| Present tense

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
This is what Lance calls 'concise?' Passing judgment that is void of understanding - critical spirits masquerading as some kind ofbent wisdom? On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:37:42 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (the options are false; thewriter'selimination ofdifficultyis

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Taylor
You highlight the problemwith leaving off the present passive aspect of this participle, David; hence loosing track of the unfinished- or incompleteness of it. Do you presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up? Bill - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Good comments, below. I havelong believed, i.e. Ro 1:18-29, that the most damaging of all realities is the one tied to this statement by God, "You are on your own." Understand, also, that God , although pictured as being actively involved in His departure, is - in reality - not the"active

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Not laughting at you , David, but I am laughing at the quetion !!! Out of compassion and reason comes the death blow if you get my drift. :-) jd-Original Message-From: Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:19:14 -0700Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
World vs faith? The choice is NOT Difficult You have already resolved the conflict, whether one agrees or not NO Need to halt between two opinions. He knows what side you are on. Indifference is active oposition in His book!He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
Izzy's options are scriptural and you Gary are in the void so far as understanding goes ie "But Christ as a Son over His own house,WHOSE HOUSE WE AREIF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end" (Heb 3:6)(which is faith) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:01:37 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
VENGENACE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY SAYS THE LORD (Romans 12:19) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:26:10 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good comments, below. I havelong believed, i.e. Ro 1:18-29, that the most damaging of all realities is the one tied to this statement by God, "You are on your

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
If Linda is talking about assumed perfection, a consideration on the part of God toward us, AMEN. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:31:58 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor World vs

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
my point is that they are false--they have nothin' to do with reality On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:31:25 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy's options are scriptural ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Ah, yes, God isthe Boss and has putyou and Kev in charge Preach it , baby -- but LOOK no one is listening. Do you realize, Judy Taylor, that 12:18-19 is actually a statement AGAINST the ankst of personal retaliation? " If possible, as far as it depends ON YOU, be at peace with all

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
Your drift is incomprehensible JD and there is no "death blow" because FYI Hebrews 10:14 does not refer to any race ... Oh what a tangled web we weave... Vs.14 here relates to Hebrews 10:9,10 ie: "Then He (Jesus) said "Behold I have come to do Your will, O God" He takes away the first that

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
Your own personal reality maybe but then that is all about you and she was referring to His Kingdom which is a different reality. On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:41:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my point is that they are false--they have nothin' to do with reality On Thu, 24 Nov 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Get ready for the nasties, Mr G !!! Save yourself !! :-)-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:41:11 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor my point is that they are false--they have nothin' to do with reality On

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
I understand the setting JD and just because you don't like it why lie about noone listening; you are not EVERYONE God's righteous judgment ALL THROUGH SCRIPTURE is that every man will be rewarded according to WHAT HE HAS DONE. The sinners in Romans 1:18-29 went over the line as did the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Sorry , Judy, you have lost me entirely. I am committing on Bill's statement below and you are doing what ?? This is a great question: Do you presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?and it got ahearty laugh out of my otherwise demonical countenance.

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
dualism dominates andyou love to speculate, too On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:48:51 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your reality maybe.. she was referring..to..a different reality. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
I know what you are commenting on JD; However, Bill's statement is way out there someplace and has nothing at all to do with Hebrews 10:14 where this thread began. Bill hasgone from Greek verbs to some race none of which have anything to do with 'being sanctified' as per Hebrews 10:14.

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
If you understand the "setting," why not practice the wording ??!! When Isaid "no one is listening," I was talking about you and your message, not God and His message. They are not the same, you know. You quoted Romans 12:19 as if God is telling you to continueyour brand of vengeance when, in

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
myth (it's not what you think) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:05:16 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill's statement is way out there someplace and has nothing at all to do with Hebrews 10:14

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
"Bill is [sad]," is presumed, and, at best, (is) now; therefore, the [sadness] is transitory which also squares with human experience; therefore, the present tense'[sad]ness' is incomplete On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:52:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth ("Bill is happy," is

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
So tell me Mr. myth man - what do I think? You seem to think you know better than me. On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:09:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (it's not what you think) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:05:16 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill's statement is way

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
I know I'm wasting my time with this ... sigh!! I don't have a message JD. Romans 12:19 is God's message in the New Testament - the same message as all through the rest of the Bible which you summarily reject because your God is not the avenging kind. Oh well!! What Paulteaches hereis

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
RACE. What is that about?how do you get a race outthis? I remain confused. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:05:16 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor I know what

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
show somemore love, M'am--back off a little (like this)sowe cantalk about it--privately, if you prefer--preferrably polite but perceptive protestant prodding probing, positively, persistantly powerfully G On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:23:43 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..what

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Well, it certainly does appear that you understand the point of 12:18-19.So, why not let God do his thing while you do what He asked you to do? -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005

[TruthTalk] Radio Talk Show Interview

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Bob Rose, a Gainesville radio talk show host, called me yesterday and interviewed me for more than 10 minutes about my work at the University of Florida. Some of you might be interested. I created a web page of news articles over the last two weeks at: http://www.InnGlory.org/uf.htm The radio

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
"Bill is [sanctified]," is presumed, and, at best, [though eternal], (is) now; therefore, the [sanctified-ness] is transitory [for now]which also squares with human experience; therefore, the present tense'[sanctified-]ness' is incomplete On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:21:34 -0700 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
myth (it's a trick eliminating your thinking from reality) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:44:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't have a message JD.

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
(hey DaveH--a new TT record for concatenating responses, eh? :) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:49:56 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Bill is [sanctified]," is presumed, and, at best, [though eternal], (is) now; therefore, the [sanctified-ness] is transitory [for now]which also squares

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
(Christinie oughta be rofl by now--eh? :) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:08:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (hey DaveH--a new TT record for concatenating responses, eh? :) On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:49:56 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Bill is [sanctified]," is presumed, and,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Taylor
Do you presume to have finished the race, while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up? and it got ahearty laugh out of my otherwise demonical countenance. On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:34:16 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RACE. What is that about?how do you get a race

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Lance Muir
Eh? Got relatives in Canada eh? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 24, 2005 12:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor (hey DaveH--a new TT record for concatenating responses, eh? :) On

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
yesirrreeebob On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:38:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh? Got relatives in Canada eh? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 24, 2005 12:08 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
yo/ftr, do any of us Canuckistanis deny that sanctification is emotional? On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:38:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh? Got relatives in Canada eh? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Enoch

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
The book is not inspired. Only late manuscripts are known. Nevertheless, it is worth reading from a historical perspective. We have a copy of it on our website in the library, along with the book of Jasher. It should be read in the same way one might read any textbook or extra biblical

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread ttxpress
perhaps.. On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:01:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do any of us..deny that sanctification is [not merely] emotional? ||

[TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences

2005-11-24 Thread Dave
You know I'll tell! DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Perhapssomeone should consider that I am not. -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:54:24 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond - Original Message - From: To:

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Ah. Now I see. Why the race? Well, i guess I should defer to Bill, although I think I understood the point. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:20:48 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Flat Tax?

2005-11-24 Thread Dave
DAVEH: So far I've only responded to my own post just once. I can tolerate that, but in the future one can assume any double responses to be a measure of my advancing senility. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whileintuition suggested you wouldn't On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:36:17

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:26:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD Good comments, below. I havelong believed, i.e. Ro 1:18-29, that the most damaging of all realities is the one tied to this

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Dave
DAVEH: To me it seems a bit too dogmatic to see folks going to ridiculous extremes to validate their position. (That's not to say I haven't been accused of such myself!) But I really do appreciate your point about digging deep and discovering new and interesting things. Sure, I can see a

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Dave
DAVEH: LOL.Yeah G. But I noticed you tried to top him with your P's post to Judy. I'm just surprised you overlooked prayerfully! +++ show somemore love, M'am--back off a little (like this)sowe cantalk about it--privately, if you prefer--preferrably polite but perceptive

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:26:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD Good comments, below. I havelong believed, i.e. Ro 1:18-29, that the most damaging of all realities is the one tied to this statement

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
Kevin, you speaking out against the use of "idiot" is like Hitler preaching against murder. You are the single most prolific verbal assassin on this forum -- including Jduy !! -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/23/2005 11:30:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:54:30

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
No it does not Perhaps this is true in your case. I am not sure you understand the problem, but I think you do. Others, clearly, do not and that is my point. The average reader will see this as a completed action. Kevin and Judy have made such arguments and prove my point. IN THAT REGARD,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
David -- I do not understand your logic here. If you admit that our sanctification is ongoing - how could you possibly argue that it is, at the same time, completed?"I am being made a better person" presents an action that is not completed and that appears to to be obvious, to me. Why is this not

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 1:55:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 1:18-32 and beyond-JD - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:26:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread knpraise
I was taught, in first year greek , that a present tense verbgives us activity "with no end in sight."The conclusion or end of Bill's happiness is not in view with a present tense verb. -Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 24 Nov

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: What BJ (Bishop John) said herein is that which I was getting at re: your visit to 'the campus'. ... IMO, this 'conversation' falls into the same category as so many 'exchanges' do on TT. Persons just share polarized opinions of a matter whilst imbedding their comments ... with

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
I have to disagree with one thing you said, Terry. I MISS DEBBIE! :-) Peace be with you.David Miller. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 14

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: I pointed out to you that weak and wrong are not one and the same. A baby believer is weak but they will get stronger as they feed on God's Word and grow so it is wrong to judge them or to put a stumbling block in their path. It is also wrong to use this one incident as

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Matthew 11:29-30(29) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.(30) For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
If Bill's happiness were transitory, then you would be right, but it is possible that his happiness is found in eternal life,and if that were so, then it would not betransitory. The point is that we do not know from the statement whether his happiness is complete or not. Suppose I said,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: You highlight the problem with leaving off the present passive aspect of this participle, David; I have not left off the present passive aspect. In English, we don't conjugate the participle this way, but the phrase is clear enough for those of us who understand English. It

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: ... the [sanctified-ness] is transitory [for now] which also squares with human experience; Speak for yourself, Gary. My sanctification is complete, yet also ongoing. I don't expect you will understand. I do not live by human experience, but by the Word of God. I count my human

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: As you've pointed out before, the punctuation can have a big effect on the meaning.is it not the translator who determines the punctuation? And if so, then are we not left to wonder/hope/ presume he was duly inspired at the time he put his spin on the Message? I think your

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
cd: This is really scary in leu of level of debate on the Greek and English languages. The Bible say a child can understand the Gospel-yet side B of this room are concerned about the present tense and passive voices of a dead language to explain the Gospel and the brethren have to go there to

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Dave
David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: As you've pointed out before, the punctuation can have a big effect on the meaning.is it not the translator who determines the punctuation? And if so, then are we not left to wonder/hope/ presume he was duly inspired at the time he put his

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 3:45:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor David -- I do not understand your logic here. If you admit that our sanctification is ongoing - how could you possibly argue that it is, at the

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Amazing those that argue against JD, always just end up proving his point in his mind.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No it does not Perhaps this is true in your case. I am not sure you understand the problem, but I think you do. Others, clearly, do not and that is my point. The average

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Can you flesh this out more?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: What BJ (Bishop John) said herein is that which I was getting at re: your visit to 'the campus'. ... IMO, this 'conversation' falls into the same category as so many 'exchanges' do on TT. Persons just share polarized

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
cd: This is really scary in leu of level of debate on the Greek and Englishlanguages. The Bible say a child can understand the Gospel-yet side B ofthis room are concerned about the present tense and passive voices of adead language to explain the Gospel and the brethren have to go there tohelp

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences

2005-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hardly. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences You know I'll tell! DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Which begs the question..To which category do you think you belong, DavidM? And.I'm rather curious about why you feel that it might be better for Bill and me to fall back toward vs 4 more often? Was not my response to Izzy about her sexual experiences much more entertaining

RE: [TruthTalk] Results of Questionere

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
CD: The question ere I sent out last week got good results from most of the group. It was designed to help me understand how much Calvinism has influenced our pure religion-and view the results of the Mormons in this area. Thebelief behind this test has beginnings with Augustine of

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?

2005-11-24 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Where is our monitor? Charles? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 10:16:54 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences Hardly. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DaveSent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
Ooops! I transposed my numbers in talking about this. I think many linger too much toward verse 5, and perceive Bill DaveH to be better at hanging toward verse 4, but would be better sometimes to move toward 5. Sorry for the confusion. Let me put it in plain language. Bill Dave tend to be

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-24 Thread David Miller
I liked Dean's analogy of a house. A house is complete and ready to live in, but it also can be fixed up more and expanded and maintained. The Bible teaches us that Jesus never sinned. He was completely sanctified even as a child, but the Bible teaches that he grew in wisdom and stature,

[TruthTalk] Thanksgiving

2005-11-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Proclamation of ThanksgivingWashington, D.C.October 3, 1863 By the President of the United States of America. A Proclamation. The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly

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