Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

I do not but, could put you in touch with the ministry that distributes the 'package'. His teaching was entitled 'Foundational Principles and Prophetic Teaching to Equip the Body of Christ for City Transformation' See www.makingeverythingnew.com - Original Message - From: David

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

ONE WAY of saying this: God Himself is the authority and the Scriptures are one of His interlocaters. i - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 14:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Yeah,

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

ONE WAY of thinking about this: Who He is takes priority over and, is determinative of, all other considerations. Is it possible, David, that you have it ...backwards? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

IFO am 'dazzled'. Anyone else 'dazzled'? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 15, 2006 15:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding John wrote: ... I speak as one who is leadership. David wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Jesus being the Messiah has nothing to do with the NT gospel? Are you serious? Lance, John, Bill... do you guys agree with Gary on this? David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

John, I have read your post carefully, and while many times I do miss your intended meaning, I don't think this is one of those times. You have not said anything new in this post that I did not understand from your previous posts. Perhaps you are not grasping my point. Your previous point

[TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

John, I have been pondering your treatise concerning the role of Scripture to transform lives. No doubt that is one role. But what about the use of Scriptures to guard against error? Does it have that role in your mind? Following are two passages that I would like for you to explain their

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

B A L A N C E - Emphasis on which s y l l A b l e? Please understand these passages exactly as I do. Thereafter we'll be harmonious' (Om mani padme hum) Q:Does God have more than one (1) understanding of anything? Q:IFF one's 'illumined/inspired/revealed' understanding of WHO JESUS IS is

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

I certainly do not have the attitude of please understand these passages exactly as I do. My perspective is more one of, I see this aspect, what part do you see, how do they fit together, and what aspects can we dismiss as falsehood. As for the illumined/inspired/revealed understanding being

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

As to the second part of your post, DM:Wouldn't such an one only be a liar if she knew she hadn't heard from God (i/i/r)? If she thought she had but, had not then there is no lie but, deception on the part of the supposed recipient. Therefore, if you, DM, say 'the Lord showed meas to

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

One BIG caveat is in order concerning what I just said. Most of the time when people think somebody else is dead wrong and that somebody is a sincere believer who remains steadfast in their conviction, the problem is not that the person is wrong, but the problem is misunderstanding. This is

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

You, DM, say 'I would never say...' Why, DM? You seem to be saying that you have not/are not/will not re: deception.Are you saying that no believer whatsoever (have/are/will not) or are you restricting that the impossibility of such applies only to you personally? As to the latter, may I

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

Or not, DM! You, DM, may be wrong on some important/unimportant matter with respect to 'who Jesus is' yet even after extended discussion remain wrong. You may remain wrong, DM, for the balance of your natural life. If such were not possible, DM, then what would you be saying concerning

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Perhaps Lance has a good point, David. Consider the biblical record. Does it begin with Christ or sin? And sin, defined and demonstrated , displays what volume of content compared to that of "Christ?" Surely the answer is "much more!" Anyway, I am not sure how we go about discussing one without

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

I have not yet responded because I do not know how to approach this bit of detective work? That there is much more going on here than meets the eye or might be admitted is more than obvious. This comes from an apostle/prophet ("as in apostles and prophets") who rejects any questioning that seeks

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

hint1: 'the door to understanding'human 'in/fallibility' have no role in NT thought, are not categories of NT revelation -- On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:50:59 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus being the Messiah has nothing to do with the NT gospel? Are youserious?

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

David, David, David - is G talking about Jesus as Messiah or your notion of infallability? -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus being the Messiah has nothing to do with the NT gospel? Are you serious? Lance, John, Bill... do you guys

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

hint2: - Original Message - From: "David Miller" Sent: February 15, 2006 14:46 Jesus Christ is far beyond the understanding of any[one].. I'm [unsure] anyone on earth..understands Jesus Christ. On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:50:25 -0700 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

hint3: "..righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." (Rom3, NIV) On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:58:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hint2: - Original Message - From: "David Miller" Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

This point is without debate, IMO. Nowhere in scripture is there the sense of ex-cathedra in regard to the spoken word -- or even the logical need for same. Consider the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15). How is the decision made? It is most likely that every author of N.T. scripture was sitting

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

I cannot counsel in the state of California, without doing two things: 1. Including a statement that separates me from the mental health care industry, and 2.. Securing documenation that justifies my claim of "pastoral counselor." This includes membership in a national Christian counseling

Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

As for the "illumined/inspired/revealed" understanding being wrong, this is impossible since God does not lie. Only if the person did not hear from God could such be true. So if the person says he heard from God, and he did not, then he is a liar and should not be trusted in anything. This does

Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

John, I have read your post carefully, and while many times I do miss your intended meaning, I don't think this is one of those times. You have not said anything new in this post that I did not understand from your previous posts. Perhaps you are not grasping my point. Your thought was certainly

Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.

- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/15/2006 10:23:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. myth (but, yes, you are well versed in fundamentalist policy) cd:Thank you for the fund.compliment Gary-but there is no myth -no

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

cd: I simple reply will do John-What is the name of the church you pastor-I have friends out there and they know many churches in that area. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/16/2006 10:51:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/16/2006 12:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding hint3: "..righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." (Rom3, NIV) cd: What do you mean by the

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Hey, Slick, your implied threat of followup to my "reply" is of little ocncern to me. You know -- Deegan badgered me, sometime ago about what I did in terms of ministry -- implying that I did nothing. So I finally gave in and listed my activity. Pretty much put his fat proverbial to shame.