One BIG caveat is in order concerning what I just said. Most of the time
when people think somebody else is dead wrong and that somebody is a
sincere
believer who remains steadfast in their conviction, the problem is not
that
the person is wrong, but the problem is misunderstanding. This is why
discussion is helpful, because the source of the misunderstanding is
exposed
through discussion.
David Miller.
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
I certainly do not have the attitude of "please understand these passages
exactly as I do." My perspective is more one of, "I see this aspect, what
part do you see, how do they fit together, and what aspects can we dismiss
as falsehood."
As for the "illumined/inspired/revealed" understanding being wrong, this
is
impossible since God does not lie. Only if the person did not hear from
God
could such be true. So if the person says he heard from God, and he did
not, then he is a liar and should not be trusted in anything. This does
not
mean that anything he says is false. It only means that such a person
cannot be trusted on anything.
David Miller
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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
B A L A N C E - Emphasis on which s y l l A b l e? Please understand these
passages exactly as I do. Thereafter we'll be "harmonious' (Om mani padme
hum)
Q:Does God have more than one (1) understanding of anything?
Q:IFF one's 'illumined/inspired/revealed' understanding of WHO JESUS IS
is
wrong then, ought we to trust that person's teaching on anything?
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "TruthTalk" <[email protected]>
Sent: February 16, 2006 07:19
Subject: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
John,
I have been pondering your treatise concerning the role of Scripture to
transform lives. No doubt that is one role. But what about the use of
Scriptures to guard against error? Does it have that role in your mind?
Following are two passages that I would like for you to explain their
meaning:
2 Timothy 3:16-17
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all
good
works.
Titus 1:9-11
(9) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be
able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
(10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially
they of the circumcision:
(11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching
things
which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
From my perspective, it tells me that Scripture should be used to rebuke
and
correct others. It seems to me that some on the list, perhaps you
included,
despise this use, believing that it drives people away from God. Please
do
not think that I am trying to proof text here. That is an often abused
allegation when passages are brought up. I am truly desiring to
understand
the message you hear being conveyed to you when you read these passages.
When I read them, they instruct me as a man of God to use the Scriptures
to
exhort and convince GAINSAYERS.
There are other passages that could be considered as well, but here is
one
that seems to be consonant with the idea that disputes among us should be
expected, not shunned as something indicative of a defect in us.
1 Corinthians 11:18-19
(18) For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that
there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
(19) For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are
approved
may be made manifest among you.
David Miller.
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